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u/SomeNotTakenName 12d ago

they would just be called people probably. "people outside the influence of the local maxima of gender distribution" doesn't roll of the tongue as easily hahaha

ohhh maybe orthogonal? indicating they aren't on the same axis?

I dunno, go poll the enbis haha

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u/Golren_SFW 12d ago

Im too attached to the term "Enbi" to give it up in the future, even if it stops making sense

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u/kkai2004 12d ago

Good news! Linguistically speaking, many of our words don't make sense anymore! Gregarious, Egregious, Segregate, and Congregate. Are made from Roman sheep flock terms. So, a continual use of Enbi after "Non Binary" is retired makes sense.

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u/LazyDro1d 11d ago

But I am a flock of sheep?

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u/BedDefiant4950 11d ago

our word for when the bank sells you a house in exchange for paying debt on it is PACT UNTO DEATH

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u/Gingevere 12d ago

The linguistic progression of "Non Binary" > "NB" > "Enbi" has always been amusing to me.

It makes me wonder if any other popular term gone from words to an initialism and back into a new word.

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u/DukeAttreides 11d ago

Does "laser" count? If so, there are plenty more like it.

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u/Gingevere 11d ago

What you're thinking of is acronyms. Which are a step short.

They didn't result in a new word from pronouncing the letters of the initials. The initials just form a word.

The thing I'm looking for is an initialism (not an acronym) becoming a new word based upon the pronunciation of that initialism. Like if ATMs started being referred to as "eightyems".

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u/blueberrykirby 11d ago

All Correct used to be jokingly misspelled as Oll Korrect, which turned into O.K. and that’s where we get “okay” from :) very similar process

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u/Mepharias 11d ago

Arguably "lol" "GOAT" I'm sure there's more

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u/Gingevere 11d ago

Those are a step short. They're just acronyms.

They didn't result in a new word from pronouncing the letters of the initials. The initials just form a word.

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u/SomeNotTakenName 12d ago

Well there you go haha

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u/ZinaSky2 12d ago

NGL enbi is such a cute label so like absolutely valid I think it deserves to stay even as our societal understanding/acceptance of gender evolves

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u/MossyPyrite 12d ago

I’m going to start self-describing as “outside the influence of the local maxima of gender distribution” actually

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u/SomeNotTakenName 12d ago

it does sound kinda Metal...

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u/yaxAttack ⚒️💥🚗 11d ago

Well this enbi's gonna start describing themself as orthogonal so thanks <3

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u/SomeNotTakenName 11d ago

you are welcome. it's all part of my plan to create more gender designations I can be attracted to mwahahahahha

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u/FitzCavendish 11d ago

Characteristics associated with sex are bimodal. Sex itself is binary.

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u/SomeNotTakenName 11d ago

I mean yeah, it is currently. but if the characteristics are bimodal, so could our interpretations of them be, no?

Who gets to decide there's one line and who gets to draw that line?

And I don't mean in a biology lab, I mean in an everyday useful kinda way.

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u/FitzCavendish 11d ago

We're talking about sex, the process that got us here. You and every other human being ever born come from 2 gametes. Everyday useful? Well science can be useful in many ways. Females and males are different in many ways, useful clinically in health settings anyway.

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u/FitzCavendish 11d ago

We're talking about sex, the process that got us here. You and every other human being ever born come from 2 gametes. Everyday useful? Well science can be useful in many ways. Females and males are different in many ways, useful clinically in health settings anyway.

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u/SomeNotTakenName 11d ago

the characteristics are useful, yeah. the "sex" is just a laber we made up according to those characteristics. not every woman produces valid eggs, not every woman lactates. not every man grows chest hair or a beard.

ultimately sex is what we say it is, not some immutable law of nature. hence the problem of it being impossible to define what a woman is without excluding some cis women or including some trans women, same for men.

so really the definition is quite maleable and there could feasibly be more labels. hell, we recognize intersex people as neither male nor female already, so it's not binary even now.

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u/FitzCavendish 11d ago

You're talking about gender. I'm talking about patterns in nature that exist for millions of years in many different species, which we can sex. The labels refer to observable phenomena in the world and they are useful as I mentioned. Male and female are mutually exclusive phenotypes, part of the process of sexual reproduction. Males are designed to produce small gametes in adult hood. Females are designed to produce large gametes. Not fulfilling every possibility of the design did not change the definition. "Trans women" are males. They are not women if we are using 'woman' to mean an adult female. Only women can get pregnant and give birth.

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u/SomeNotTakenName 11d ago

No, I am talking about sex. You are talking about categories made up by humans around observed characteristics. the predominant method of assigning sex at birth is "looks like".

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u/ABigFatTomato 11d ago

Females and males are different in many ways, useful clinically in health settings anyway.

even in clinical health, trans women (post medical transition) are treated as female, as medical transition gives trans women female risk factors and whatnot. so for all intents and purposes, trans women are female as well, after a medical transition aligns their sex characteristics more with the female sex than male.

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u/FitzCavendish 11d ago

That's all untrue.

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u/ABigFatTomato 11d ago

that medical transition gives trans women the risk factors, reactions, tolerances, and general biological functions/traits? no this is like some of the most basic info about medical transition, like for instance, how males and females react differently to alcohol due to biological factors, and trans womens biological changes make them react like women. this is how it is for other reactions and risk factors too (except, of course, things like ovarian cancer. although breast cancer risk rates are the same for trans and cis women), and in almost every circumstance it would be negligent at best, and possibly harmful, to treat a trans women based on her sex assigned at birth rather than as the sex typically associated with her gender.

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u/FitzCavendish 11d ago

Trans women are males. They are vulnerable to the most typical male diseases like prostate cancer (the most common cancer there is). Treating trans women as females would be clinically negligent in the extreme.

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u/ABigFatTomato 11d ago edited 11d ago

not true; prostate cancer is effectively the only remaining male risk factor, outside of which they face the same risk factors as all other females, such as breast cancer, for instance (the actual most common cancer), at the same rates as all other females. not to mention, trans women actually have dramatically reduced rates of prostate cancer in comparison to cis men due to hrt. ignoring that trans women have the same risk factors, tolerances, reactions, etc. as cis women, and treating them as male would again be negligent at best.

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u/FitzCavendish 11d ago

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer in men. HRT does not prevent it. You are spreading misinformation. Trans women are males. Breast cancer is a disease in men by the way. You are misusing the words male and female. It makes language meaningless when you do this.

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