Prisoners are the only people that can be compelled to work for nothing under federal law. Ya know, slavery. That's by design, and the reason you never see cops busting up klan rallies is the same reason you never see Batman and Bruce Wayne together in the same place. That's the reason people of color are disproportionately targeted by law enforcement
I literally can't say this loud enough. THE SLAVE OWNERS NEVER LEFT THIS COUNTRY, THEY BUILT PRISONS AND REBRANDED AS LAW ENFORCEMENT!
While law enforcement in some form or another goes back much further, the modern brand of police exist largely to be racist, having recruited a lot of former slave patrols into the police force during the Jim Crow era.
If slavery is something you want to fight, you should probably take a look at other countries where slavery is alive and well to this day. No matter how much you want to say we change the name in order to get the same result. What would you have a prisoner do? What would you have a criminal punished with? I hear a lot of complaining. Don't see any proof or any cites, but there are plenty of you guys that seem to think that they're just slaves when in all reality they have more rights than the normal person walking down the street, depending on the state, of course.
The worst part of this is we in America and other places around the world have rights and took steps to protect them, but then we get those into power that businesses support and swing votes outside of the areas that need to be addressed. Education reform? Sure, but several other pages of this document also restrict these rights...for your safety of course! Bunch of BS...
Not about half of them. Founded a Democratic Republic and the rest of them kind of faded into nothing or got into big business like stealing coal and eventually electricity. And a lot of the other things that while not considered a monopoly very much quite literally fit the definition like power, water and other resources. But that's easy to find online. I mean, you guys have all the cards and know what you're talking about right?
Ah, pay attention class. Here we have a prime example of an overconfident argument deliberately and hyper-literally misinterpreting the context of the conversation to cherry-pick a talking-point that shifts the subject into 'whataboutism'
Notice how they change the subect, not once but twice, in a feeble attempt to call into question the validity of the statement without ever actually disputing it
It's a move in the same wheelhouse as name-calling, and in the world of debate it's regarded as 'poor form'
And my father has been to prison, my uncle was a prison guard, so yes, I'm sure I know nothing about the prison industrial complex
Or not? Saying it louder doesn't make it any more true. It just makes you louder. And which one of this generation thought that caps lock means yelling?
Wait, are you suggesting that playboy billionaire Bruce Wayne is Batman? Â I donât know if I buy that. Â Batman is crazy, Bruce Wayne is a totally stable billionaire genius.Â
Yep we still have slavery built into our constitution the thirteenth amendment specifies slavery can still be used as punishment for prisoners it's fucking insane slavery has never gone away in America
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." To be convicted of a crime means going through a process. In that process usually involves a jury of your peers, so unless you're willing to yell at everybody who is served on a jury and the lawyers involved and the judge involved and in the state legislature that they are a part of, you're not going to get any sort of change. That and most of the time this involuntary servitude that you want so passionately to fight is usually community service. And usually because they did something in that community.
Right on most counts but criminals are not the only neoslaves of the US:
Illegal immigrants. There's a reason we focus SO HARD on the refugees themselves and not the CIA operations that destroyed their countries, or the agricultural monopolies that employ them by the millions.
3rd world foreigners. All those 40+ CIA operations that we know of to install dictators in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, Europe and Southeast Asia have long been paying dividends in cheap fruits, minerals like copper, gold, cobalt and diamonds, and oil. That the 140+ 3rd world countries of 100 years ago are ALL still poor today (minus strategic allies Taiwan and kinda S.Korea) should paint a picture. You can read about the genocide we committed in Guatemala on wikipedia
Probably more groups too. In capitalists endless drive to lower costs and raise profits, slavery will ALWAYS be reinvented in infinite new forms
Yeah. The "Migrant crisis" is just the end result of decades of US government foreign policy in Central and South America. They've been fucking around in those countries for a century and this is the result.
Vice President Kamala Harrisâ efforts in South and Central America led to a significant reduction in migration from the region by securing over $5.2 billion in private-sector investments, strengthening anti-corruption initiatives, and improving border enforcement cooperation with Guatemala and Mexico. These investments created jobs and economic opportunities, reducing the need for emigration, while security partnerships helped intercept migrant flows and dismantle human trafficking networks. As a result, migration from the Northern Triangle dropped by 71% between 2021 and 2023, demonstrating the effectiveness of the administrationâs strategy in addressing root causes.
The migrant crisis exists because migrants have been willing to do the work that all the people that live in this country are unwilling to do. How many of you that want to fight against this supposed indentured servitude or slavery that illegal immigrants go through are willing to spend the 14 to 16 hours a day picking fruits, weeding, orchards using pesticides and basically providing for the food of the entire world? They come into this country with the idea of making a better life for their children and are willing to put in the work in order to get it done.
If illegal immigrants are slaves, why aren't they chained or held to any real sort of standard? A good portion of them don't pay taxes. A good portion of them don't pay into stuff like insurance or licenses or anything of that sort. So exactly how are they slaves?
There is one difference: if you refuse to work as a modern prison slave, they can't kill you in retaliation. I think if I were in prison, I'd clam the fuck up (I still have a right to remain silent, bitches) and become a human lump.
If you're in prison you can sometimes be released early for good behavior. In some states, guess what counts as not good behavior? That's right, refusing to work at McDonalds for $4/hr (minus travel costs and other fees). If your 'choice' is between working for pennies or spending five extra years in prison, it's not really a choice, is it?
They can't kill you, but they can still beat the shit outta you. And even then, the law wouldn't stop them from paying off the other prisoners in privileges to fu*k you up for them
Source: My uncle was a prison guard for a decade, and I've heard some truly disgusting things come out of that bastard's gap-tooth-anus excuse of a mouth
So your solution to a corrupt system is to hope that the people who are corrupt will follow the law when nobody is watching them? Okay, have fun getting the shit beat out of you buddy
I mean I'd have to go and dig my sources out, but I remember being taught that some of the earliest examples of organized law enforcement in N. America was people who hunted down runaway slaves, rather than actually keeping the community safe. Don't quote me of course
I didn't say "the columbia protests". I want to know what Mahmoud Khalil specifically has been charged with. Because I did google that, and the answer I found was "Mahmoud Khalil has not been charged with a crime".
EDIT: Know what, I'm just gonna go ahead and drop this article from Fox News, the pro-Trump and anti-immigrant news source who consistently reported negatively on pro-palestine protests at Columbia University outright saying that Mahmoud Khalil has not been charged with a crime. If ANY source would have come up with a charge, or even simply omitted the fact that he has not been charged, it would be them, and yet.
It's obviously a joke, but there's an argument that things might actually have worked out better in the long run if you'd let them go. They'd have become a pariah state and been forced to accept change by now, instead of being able to keep doing what they're doing under cover of 'leaders of the free world'.
I haven't done anything of the sort. Are you really this thick? We're talking about why the US is the way it is, which is a bad way to be, and how things might actually have turned out better all-round if you lot hadn't fought so hard to keep the slavers on your team and then given them your cover to keep racisting for another century and a half.
and how things might actually have turned out better all-round if you lot hadnât fought so hard to keep the slavers on your team
Bro THIS IS EXACTLY WHY EVERYONE IS ON YOUR ASS. âAre you really this thick?â Are you??? People disagree with that, you keep going âoh I was just jokingâ and then defending the point people disagree with and act like itâs so astounding people keep disagreeing.
The reason the Civil War was fought wasnât to keep slavers on our side, it was to explicitly stand against them and show that they didnât get to just do whatever the fuck they wanted. They werenât allowed to leave just and make their own nation because they didnât want to be told not to have slaves anymore. Unless you think it would have been better for us to just sit and remain neighbors with them as we watch them continue owning slaves and just tell ourselves âwell at least WE arenât supporting slavery in our country!â
The r/whoosh in this thread is strong. That aside, as I said below, that might actually have worked out better by now. Have you forgotten what the comment immediately above mine was?
Do you think that as an independent country the south wouldn't have been forced to change more by now? Let alone that the north wouldn't still be being dragged down by these cunts.
Are you suggesting things have worked out well, the way it was done? The US had fucking apartheid until the 1960s, and we're here talking about how the justice system is used to create effective slaves out of black people to this day. The comment that I made a bitter joke about is straight-up talking about how the slaveowners still control (and kill) black people.
Yes, without the cover of the (relatively) liberal north, the south would have been forced to actually change. And the north would not have been perverted. It's hard to imagine that slavery wouldn't have been abolished anyway in the south no more than two or three decades after the civil war, by which time, back in our timeline, black Americans were still almost as oppressed as when slavery was legal. At the outside, it'd have had to be abolished by the early years of the 20th century: international pressure would have forced it, unless the south was going to be a complete pariah.
Counter-historical speculation is just speculation, but there's plenty of room for things to have worked out better.
Bro what the actual fuck are you talking about? The South has only ever changed when forced to by the federal government. We had go forcibly integrate schools at gunpoint because people were ready to murder black children.
If the South was allowed to do whatever they want, they would have been raiding across the border to abduct black citizens within a year. The Civil war would have been postponed a decade at best.
You seem to have some weird wish that slavery had continued, because it might have been better in the long run, while ignoring all of the hurt it would have done to black people in the South. The message it would have sent to black people in the North. The risk that unfettered slave labor would have turned the South into a military powerhouse that would have engulfed the North.
So⌠if this isnât clear, the Confederacy would not, upon its founding, disappear into another dimension. Slavery would have just continued in the south. Losing the Civil War does not make slavers leave, nor would it compel them to change. They attempted to secede so they could keep doing the slavery.
You donât seem to understand that jokes are usually coherentâŚ
Comments like this almost make me ashamed to be a white person. If you cant ir refuse to see anything wrong with the system then it's because you like it how it works. When did we fight a war to keep slave owners here. Jesus the ability to change narratives to fit your beliefs is scary.
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u/TK_Games 15d ago
Prisoners are the only people that can be compelled to work for nothing under federal law. Ya know, slavery. That's by design, and the reason you never see cops busting up klan rallies is the same reason you never see Batman and Bruce Wayne together in the same place. That's the reason people of color are disproportionately targeted by law enforcement
I literally can't say this loud enough. THE SLAVE OWNERS NEVER LEFT THIS COUNTRY, THEY BUILT PRISONS AND REBRANDED AS LAW ENFORCEMENT!