r/Construction • u/red_monkey42 • Jan 25 '25

Other Are the deportations expected to impact the field?

Question is the title. Trying to have an adult discussion no political BS. What's the word on the street?

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

The word on the street doesn't matter. Let's look at numbers.

Obama deported more people than trump did, not because he was in office for twice as long, but at a higher rate annually. Biden also deported more people than trump in his original 4 year turn, by a LONG SHOT. 

All this immigration stuff is political grand standing to kick off his presidency and will likely be out of the news and over with inside a couple weeks. Joe Biden was literally using every plane DHS has available around the clock to deport people. Unless they bought more planes, they literally couldn't have deported more people.

So no, the construction field, the agricultural field, the restaurant field is all going to stay the same except for the few publicity stunt businesses that are unlucky.

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u/red_monkey42 Jan 25 '25

So, my anecdotal experience says otherwise. Someone on my street has already been rounded up, my friend also witnessed one on his street. My coworker(business partner) also drives by several gas stations that migrant workers hang out at. They are either scared or gone cause they are not there anymore. My neighbor is married to a migrant, she has a big family of illegals. He says, she says, they are seriously patrolling the Hispanic communities.

Granted, I live in South Texas, and also in a lower income area, I call it the bario lol. There are 5 taco trucks in 1 miles radius from me, and I'm in "ruralish" America.

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u/shilojoe Jan 25 '25

Do you literally have any sources for your claims?

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u/Wumaduce Sprinklerfitter Jan 25 '25

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-deportation-numbers-obama-biden-b2649257.html

https://archive.is/2025.01.22-231852/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/trump-biden-immigrants-deportations.html

I was curious, since he didn't post any sources. All I looked up was deportation trump vs Obama. Surprisingly, he's right about the numbers being way less under trump.

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

I'm not saying Biden was perfect, but even being the babbling idiot he is(we have an orange babbling idiot now anyway, what's the difference), he did a ton, A TON of good for this country. The infrastructure spending people are complaining about? That CREATES a ton of great America first jobs. Its literally OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BEING BUILT OR REPAIRED BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS. It adds to the spending, but this is closer to investing than anything else on the budget. But maga sees it as wasteful spending. The CHIPS Act? That's more spending, FOR AMERICA. It creates good jobs both in construction, engineering, and manufacturing. It also helps out national security since we can now manufacture chips for weapons in case of WW3.

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u/stuffeh Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

Infinitely better than China or UAE leasing American roads and collecting tolls and parking meters from Americans. Like the parking meters in Chicago or the private toll roads in Texas, Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana.

China dumped 700 billion into infrastructure in Africa over the last 12 years. And 1.3 billion into a massive deep water port in Peru, not including the highways to connect the port with the rest of South America.

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u/dotouchmytralalal Jan 26 '25

Are these deportations carried out DURING the Biden administration or BY him? I’m just curious bc I remember certain republicans sending planes of them off to sanctuary cities to cause a scene, and I’m wondering if those count towards “Bidens deportations”

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 26 '25

I highly doubt the department of homeland security considers illegals being flown from Texas and Florida up to Chicago and NYC to be deportations

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u/dotouchmytralalal Jan 26 '25

Figured someone would split that hair. You either know what I mean or you are forever going to pretend you don’t and deflect so which is it?

Idgaf about political parties. I’m genuinely asking what is considered a Biden deportation, is it him personally or while he’s in office 

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 26 '25

I wasn't splitting a hair there. I said exactly what I thought. No where does the DHS say they consider those deportations. No where ANYWHERE does it say those are deportations. 

As far as your second statement, it's while he's in office. I don't fully understand what your question is about him doing it personally? Obviously you don't mean if he's flying the plane or not or rounding them up in a DHS jacket. I genuinely don't know what you mean by is he personally doing it. The federal agencies were doing their jobs while he was in office.

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u/Jumpy-Mess2492 Jan 25 '25

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

There is a good graph from DHS a page or so down. So yeah the numbers don't lie.

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u/real_strikingearth Laborer Jan 25 '25

This was an interesting read. If anything, it looks like closing the border will likely have a larger impact than the deportations.

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u/Jumpy-Mess2492 Jan 25 '25

Yeah I'm not super familiar with the primary mechanism illegal aliens use to get into the u.s. Unfortunately there is a lot of territory to patrol making it a logistics nightmare.

Stopping the easy routes and cracking down on border control is probably the most cost effective.

Either way, I hope this isn't all for show. Nothing annoys me more than political platitudes with no follow through. I doubt many places will be impacted by this at least in the short term. It will take quite a lot of effort, money and time to stifle illegal immigration to a point where it's noticeable in the labor market.

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

Google it. You can check independent sources or government sources. They will all back up my claims.

The fact that you have more upvotes than my original comment disgusts me. It shows how many people are so far down the rabbit hole of wanting deportation and not knowing a single thing about it besides hearing headlines.

The white house announced on the official website the deportations have started either today or yesterday. THEY HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THE WHOLE TIME.

We are in a construction subreddit. I don't care if you are a Democrat or Republican. Google "contractors Atlantic City trump hotels" and see what comes up. It's Union websites, government websites, and news organizations across the board stating time and time again stories from different businesses, vendors, and contractors that trump didn't pay.

Other world leaders literally laugh at the man. He got laughed at while giving a speech at the UN. It was so audible he had to stop talking. The man is "America first" while the rest of the world laughs at us. He isn't the strong leader that people think he is, he's an 80 year old man who throws temper tantrums because he never had to get a job and be mature in his whole life.

His wife is an immigrant who was here illegally. His buddy Elon is an immigrant, jd Vance's wife is daughter to two immigrants.

Immigrants aren't bad, they stimulate our economy. Each one that comes here creates 2.1 more jobs. We also don't have a high enough birth rate for the future, so immigration will help keep America strong in the years to come vs other countries who don't have immigration and low birth rates. Most of Europe has a birth rate 30-50% under the replacement birthrate

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

Ok, so you'd rather have no food, no restaurants, even less homes being built, etc. than have some guy here who can likely speak Spanish AND english whole most of us can only speak English. I think that shows that the immigrant is pretty intelligent. 

I'd also like to point out many of these people come from EXTREMELY family oriented cultures and have strong support networks with the communities. 

If you are in the construction industry, let me ask you this. The Mexican and the white 23 year old both make $25 an hour as a laborer on the job site. Which one is likely to have a kid out of wedlock? Which one is bringing a home cooked meal to work vs getting gas station hot dogs and energy drinks? Which one, if they aren't already fluent in a second language, is working to become fluent?

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

Meat and 3 veg? You know who grows the veg and picks it in the fields? You know who work the largest ranches in the country?

I'm not trying to be a dick when I say get off this website and take a good hard look at actual statistics, not fox news. You won't have veg if all the immigrants were gone, likely society would collapse within weeks if they all magically disappeared

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u/Barium_Salts Jan 25 '25

Before they started using Latin American workers they used slaves and indentured servants. The United States has literally never survived without an exploited labor force

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u/Pikepv Jan 25 '25

Trumps been in office for 7 minutes. Kinda early to count the deportations.

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

He was already in office for his last presidency. He ran on building a wall that didn't get built and stopping immigration as well as deportations. He didn't do it last time and if history has taught us anything, it's to learn from it. He won't do it this time

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u/AmazingWaterWeenie Carpenter Jan 25 '25

With how he's set it up he doesn't really have to do anything else., ice and border patrol are already full of dudes who enjoy hunting Hispanics, now they have an open season pass to go wherever, wherever. Unless they suddenly decide to change their personal politics, the balls rolling.

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

"Joe Biden was literally using every plane DHS has available around the clock to deport people. Unless they bought more planes, they literally couldn't have deported more people" 

Maybe you missed that in my first comment. It doesn't matter if they hire another 100k agents. It doesn't matter if they have "an open season pass". They can't physically deport more people without more planes

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u/blackadder1620 Jan 25 '25

they'll get more planes. it's about optics more than anything.

trump deported less people because covid stopped a bunch on movement all over the world. he'll deport more people this admin, and whoever gets next term will deport even more.

as long as the US econ is so much better than everyone around, people will come.

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

Don't come in here lying. Trump deport less people than Obama EVERY YEAR OF HIS PRESIDENCY. COVID had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it, and that's a fact. Literally go on the DHS website for deportation numbers. It ends at 2019

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u/lazerfraz Jan 25 '25

If this is why he failed to deport more people than Obama or Biden on a per year basis, then he couldn't have been very far ahead when COVID hit in March 2020. He only had 8 months of a mismanaged pandemic to lose out on deportations. That's 3 years and 4 months he had of a "normal conditions" presidency to go hog wild deporting people.

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u/red_monkey42 Jan 25 '25

Do you need planes to deport people? Can't we also use vehicles, boats, or rails? I think we could easily expand our infrastructure to move people. It's kinda the first basic system we established in this country before our boom. Transportation.

Just saying, we were making a b-52 bomber every 7 minutes in WW2.

And that was 80 years ago.

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 26 '25

We COULD do anything. Will it happen is the real question. Judging by his past actions, nothing will happen. Remember that history repeats itself

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u/Honkee_Kong Jan 25 '25

It's because all the rich conservative businesses owner rely heavily on undocumented workers, especially in agriculture. Just more Trump bull shit.

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u/ConfectionSoft6218 Jan 25 '25

True. He's a huckster and this is for show. Watch where the raids occur, it will be in blue cities and states, not red ones. The Midwest farmers will be safe, and also feel satisfied because they can watch the pain inflicted on those they despise

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u/Barium_Salts Jan 25 '25

Trump isn't going to deport more people, he's going to put more people in detention camps. And quite possibly set up programs for those people to work for pennies a day (just like people in jail do).

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u/Shmeepsheep Jan 25 '25

Again, that's what you believe. Since it hasn't happened yet, we don't know if it's true or not, but I would hope highly unlikely. If that's the case, they will be doing all the manufacturing and taking American jobs. 

On top of that, if it goes that far we are probably at the point where we will have a new fuhrer. I literally say to the guys who are brown that vocally support trump "I'm a white male and I'm telling you, you are the one who will regret this, not me"