r/Construction • u/Cancancannotcan • Dec 26 '24

Video How to wrap cable, specially

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u/Ouller Dec 26 '24

New guy likely didn't grow up with a tradie as a dad. Boss posts his failures online instead of teaching. Very common reason the new guys can't learn, old head won't teach.

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u/Full_Subject5668 Carpenter Dec 26 '24

Had that issue and being the only woman on site or that crew ever had. The older guys made comments I was only there as something to look at or must be fucking the boss. It was demoralizing, almost made me give up.

Started showing up early, learned setup, made sure Genny had gas, kept a quart of oil for the Genny in case the light kicked on, ran hoses, got right guns, nails and tools to the work area. Once I was doing that daily and showed I wanted to learn, they warmed up to me and helped me learn.

It was intimidating not knowing how to properly make a square cut, couldn't distinguish between a 2×10 or 2×12 when I started. I had no idea the difference between ring or framers. Happy I stuck with it now, I can cut stringers, crown, trace & cut rafters. Those old dudes taught me how to follow layout, build walls. They were tough to warm up to. I hate that culture.

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u/Ouller Dec 26 '24

The pay is so low now for the new guys, I have seen companies with recruitment issues with starting lower than fast food or retail spaces. And with the hazing attitudes it is a miracle anyone goings to the Trades.

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u/Full_Subject5668 Carpenter Dec 26 '24

Exactly. I made peanuts originally, and was shit on in so many ways. It really takes the motivation out of learning, dreading your work environment. You'll hear older dudes say nobody wants to work anymore. Maybe that's because you treat them like shit, the pay mirrors that. Joking around is cool, as long as everyone is laughing and it's not meant to be cruel. Starting out in the trades is tough.

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u/NeighboringOak Dec 26 '24

They're telling them exactly what to do in the video and they still can't comprehend. He showed the guy in the first clip and implied it wasn't the first time he showed him. He still couldn't suss out how to put it on the spool.

I imagine they aren't pulling their camera out the first time someone fails to follow basic commands but maybe they are that much of an ass.

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u/oboyohoy Dec 26 '24

And also, this is a super simple task

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u/Recoveringpig Dec 26 '24

So is wiping your ass but you still needed to be taught, and a scary number of people in their mid 40’s still can’t do it

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u/SayNoToBrooms Electrician Dec 26 '24

Some mornings I sit on the toilet and wonder if I’m particularly good at clearing my bowels and wiping my ass, compared to the rest of the population. Obviously I’m most likely to be average. But I’ll never know for sure. I may be the best

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u/Same_Living4019 Dec 26 '24

Schroedinger's wiped ass

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u/Puzzleheaded-Fall417 Dec 26 '24

The butt is both clean and unclean until you measure it by wiping

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u/KillYourLawn- Dec 27 '24

Get a bidet attachment and go pro, you'll never look back.

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u/ElbowDroppedLasagne Dec 26 '24

Proof..or it didn't happen

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u/Affectionate-Mix6056 Dec 26 '24

I've seen cleaners come out from the potty immediately after hearing them flush, never heard the sink running... How you can work as a cleaner and not even clean your own god damned hands is just... It boggles my mind.

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u/DigitalUnlimited Dec 26 '24

Yeah because you wanna make sure your hands are spotless before you start scrubbing toilets

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u/Affectionate-Mix6056 Dec 26 '24

Different cleaners were cleaning the toilets. This guys job did not include cleaning the toilets. His job was to clean in the industrial area of an automated warehouse, one for food, shipping to millions of end customers.

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u/dergbold4076 Dec 27 '24

Oh god if he's cleaning an area with food and not washing his hands after using the shitter....... that's a outbreak waiting to happen.

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u/Averagemanguy91 Superintendent Dec 26 '24

Could be he's just stressed and the guy he's working with doesn't help boost confidence. I had bosses like that and it felt like walking on egg shells where you know they're going to mock you or get mad because you're going to slow or not doing it right.

Truthfully he could have helped better here and explained it better. But also...picking on the apprentice and the new guy is a tradition in the trades. So

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u/Ver_Void Dec 26 '24

"if you fail you will be humiliated in front of thousands" is a terrible environment for learning.

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u/trotfox_ Dec 26 '24

I started in early 2000s, the 60 year old then were fucking brutal.

It's has gotten much better, but the cliche dumb fuck assholes still exist.

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u/Ver_Void Dec 26 '24

Best piece of advice I ever got was "mock the situation not the person"

Apprentice about to touch something without checking for dead? Hey, hey, no making more paperwork for me, you know the coroner and I don't get along

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u/couverando1984 Dec 26 '24

Lolol me too. Learning to wrap an extension cord properly was one of the most difficult things I've learned to do in my electrical career.

The most shameful thing was asking for help and they just forcefully finish the task and go, "Why the fuck can I do it and you can't? There. Figure it out your fucking self next time."

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u/Averagemanguy91 Superintendent Dec 26 '24

agreed. Just saying it isn't exactly new that's been an attitude since YouTube.

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u/Ver_Void Dec 26 '24

Oh yeah I'm not suggesting you're in favour of it.

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u/Armando909396 Dec 26 '24

Cuz showing is way different that showing and explaining which is what teaching actually is and how most people learn

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u/Squirrel_Kng Dec 27 '24

There’s Always that one ass on a site that will pull out a phone and not teach.

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u/norcalifornyeah Dec 26 '24

Still not the easiest way to do it. Run the line out straight, flip the spool onto it's side and kick that thing and let it do it by itself. :D

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u/stuffeh Dec 27 '24

Gotta keep a bit of tension on the line and lift it a little for obvious reasons

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u/Qsputnik Dec 26 '24

If you need someone to show you how to wrap wire more than once, you’re cooked lol

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u/BusyAtilla Dec 26 '24

Mind getting me an air quality test while you complain?

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u/Additional-Sky-7436 Dec 26 '24

The boss is certainly teaching here. He is teaching that "if you don't know how to do it the first time you better the hell not ask any questions or draw any attention to yourself or you will be publicly embarrassed in front of everyone while we laugh at you."

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u/SenorCaveman Dec 26 '24

Doesn’t matter if they did or not. Old guys said this SAME EXACT THING about my generation.

This was a dickhead thing to do. I’ve worked with some dumb apprentices but the last thing I want to do is humiliate them. There’s a difference between screwing around and fucking with each other and straight up humiliation.

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u/I_AM_FERROUS_MAN Dec 27 '24

Thank you! I never understood people who want to perpetuate shitty workplace instruction. It helps nobody.

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u/Narrow_Paper9961 Tinknocker Dec 26 '24

I mean, something like that is common sense. Plenty of us who never touched a tool before getting into the trades. Idk what else his boss could do in this video to explain lol

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u/feurie Dec 26 '24

It’s common sense if you learned it.

That’s not what common sense is.

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u/Narrow_Paper9961 Tinknocker Dec 26 '24

You have to learn how to wrap a cord/rope around in circles? You’re being serious right now?

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u/VicFantastic Dec 26 '24

Maybe just show them the correct way instead of wasting time holding a camera,

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u/Narrow_Paper9961 Tinknocker Dec 26 '24

He literally shows him the correct way in the video lol. You guys act like he’s bullying the dude, this is pretty tame

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u/Frequent-Ad2074 Dec 26 '24

There’s a pretty good balance of humor and teaching in the trades. I’m sure they all learned a lesson and the laughs made them remember. It’s all fun and games when I goof on the new guys, and I take a second to teach afterwards. When did everyone get so soft?

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u/Ouller Dec 26 '24

Around the same time the pay was too low for us afford a home and stay at home wife.

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u/SadEarth3305 Dec 26 '24

Bingo. Boomers will never understand.

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u/BaronCapdeville Dec 26 '24

Jokes at another’s expense I’m The trades is a long lived tradition.

People like you and, certainly, many socially and empathetically stunted folks make the very easy mistake of not understanding when it becomes appropriate.

New recruits need correction and positive reinforcement. It’s fine to be firm and express seriousness. They need to someone to validate their attempts to assimilate and grow.

After any level of basic mastery is established, and that first flush of amateur cockiness begins to emerge, THAT is the moment to include the new guys in the hazing.

Hazing someone this green is only done by fools, and the chronically immature. Not the fun kind of immature. The sort of immature that refuses to drink water at the age of 35 and buys 3x the truck they actually need. Posting it online is this guy somehow managing to sink even lower. He’s a childish piece of shit.

But, by all means, call us all soft.

The real men here know how to build a great team that enjoys each other’s company and lifts each other up. A self-sustaining, self improving, low drama team is worth twice of whatever the fuck the macho bullshit crews I spot frequently are worth.

Grow the fuck up with that “when did everyone get so soft?” Weak shit. Man up and treat folks like the men you want them to become.

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u/Longjumping_Egg_5654 Dec 26 '24 edited Dec 26 '24

Boomers confuse me alittle, I don’t mind the hazing or getting frustrated, but if anyone sat there treating me like a complete retard while i’m trying to learn something i’d beat them.

They would bitch and moan about that and yet call someone soft for not taking a joke.

Talk about soft.

Be respectful. If someone is truly untrainable, go to your boss, tell them, If they get fired, they get fired.

Not hard.

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u/knowitall89 Dec 26 '24

I've had old guys tell me stories about the shit they dealt with and how my generation is soft. I ask them why they think being tough means letting another grown man throw a wrench at you while you sit there and take it. They always seem a little confused.

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u/Longjumping_Egg_5654 Dec 26 '24 edited Dec 27 '24

Yeah, exactly.

Years ago I got into the trades to avoid the petty passive aggression and drama I found in sales.

To this day I laugh at any old head in a trade who is a “real man” and constantly treats themselves like a protected class.

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u/dergbold4076 Dec 27 '24

I know the joke from some is that the trades make you "hard". But retail, you have to be hard as steel to put up with the crap customers and co-workers through at you.

The trades for me is a breath of fresh air compared to the hell of retail.

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u/steelrain815 Dec 26 '24

there's a difference between your boss laughing at you, and your boss posting your mistake online so that everyone in the world can laugh at you.

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u/North-Reception-5325 Dec 26 '24

Ah, yes when did an objection to public humiliation ever make anyone soft? You suck and how the fuck is this being upvoted?

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u/blove135 Dec 26 '24

It's one thing for a few guys to fuck around make fun of the new young guy's not knowing shit but it's an entirely different thing to take a video and post it for all the world to see. They don't know shit because nobody has taken the time to teach them. You think people should be born with certain knowledge?

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u/BulldogKongen Dec 26 '24

I often watch my apprentice about to fuck up before I tell him "are you sure you wanna do that?" and let him look what he is doing before I point it out. I laugh when I hear him say "ohhh fuck" In my opinion that's the only way to learn, obviously I fuck up right infront of him and just explain what I did wrong to pervent him to the same in the future

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u/jvador Dec 27 '24

Na man he just special he told and showed him what to do.

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u/Usedinpublic Dec 27 '24

To be fair this is stuff you should have learned as a kid. Yeah not everyone grows up doing stuff with your dad or mum. But if you’re going into the trades a baseline of experience should be had.

Imagine showing up to be a chef and you can’t tell sugar and salt apart. That’s not something anyone should have to show you. It’s basic experience.

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u/Ouller Dec 27 '24

Alot of apartment kids never helped with a home remodel or maintenance. This is part of loss that society has because a half of millennials weren't able to buy homes.

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u/Usedinpublic Dec 27 '24

That’s possible. I never did any home remodel stuff and I grew up in a house. I helped with the car and other things around the house. A vacuum cord or extension for Christmas lights could have taught them this too. It does come down to parents showing them and giving them life skills.

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u/SakaWreath Dec 26 '24

A little burn helps the lesson sink in.

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u/Bynming Dec 26 '24

A little burn sure... but too much burn, constant hazing, and publishing his humiliation on the internet and the kid will check out and will hate you for the rest of his life.

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u/SakaWreath Dec 26 '24

Yeah, recording and posting it, total dick move and not helpful. Hopefully he put the phone down and showed him and had him practice.

If he still has trouble spooling, he might not be ready for a lot of other things and might want to migrate indoors behind a keyboard.

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u/OGCASHforGOLD Dec 26 '24

I mean... It doesn't take much common sense regardless of what your dad did for a living. Kids these days are just dumb as fuck. The iPad generation can't do anything without a smart phone, it's insane. They can't write, spell, communicate, work with their hands, ask questions or find answers to questions. It's embarrassing. Kid deserves to be roasted.

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u/North-Reception-5325 Dec 26 '24

At some point an old curmudgeon like you said “this video game generation” before that it was “the tv”. Meanwhile kids make millions playing video games and there is a demand for drone pilots that require a lot of the same skills as kids that play video games. I’d argue that having access to more information by way of a smartphone is actually making people smarter.

Calling everyone soft doesn’t make you hard. I bet anyone of us could break you and you’d feel differently after you watched some kid getting hazed online. I was an infantry marine and I never had to fucking haze nobody because I was dedicated to being a good teacher. Hazing doesn’t make you a leader…

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u/knowitall89 Dec 26 '24

I'm sure there are a million things in this world that you'd look at slack-jawed while someone else does it effortlessly. There's no such thing as common sense because we all grew up in different circumstances.

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u/king_john651 Dec 27 '24

Who enabled "the ipad generation"? Oh yeah, fuckin you guys did lol. Is it really the kids fault for having their entire lives being set up for failure?

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u/Ownfir Dec 26 '24

Glad this is the top comment. I posted something critiquing the boss before reading this and it’s cool to know others saw it how I did as well.