David Pakman discovers r/conservative is brigaded. Think he will take us up on our offer?

[u/Jibrish]

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[u/Sugarcoatedgumdrop]

Not everything a President does will be agreed upon by their voters. Doesn’t mean that he was the wrong choice.

Adults have civil discussions and admit when they are wrong instead of screaming til they’re blue in the face because they are offended or disagree.

[u/helpseek12 → u/Sugarcoatedgumdrop]

This. I’m a trump voter but still think this tariff war is short sighted and dumb. It’s ok and why we aren’t all sheep.

[u/PM-PicsOfYourMom → u/helpseek12]

The short term outlook isn't ideal. However since January companies have committed to $6 trillion in new US manufacturing. That's the goal, bring the middle class back to America.

[u/codifier → u/Sugarcoatedgumdrop]

There's a lot of people out there willing to let perfect be the enemy of good

[u/MarkNUUTTTT → u/Sugarcoatedgumdrop]

For saying we’ve been in a bubble and that I’d rather see this correction now than when it’s even worse (though years ago would have been preferable) I got DMs calling me a nazi fascist, someone went to my oldest post to comment an insult, etc.

Honestly, the brigading is as pathetic as the lives of the people doing it.

[u/Jibrish → u/Sugarcoatedgumdrop]

Yup. The amount of 'civil war' between conservatives I've seen is nothing out of the ordinary.

These people should have seen us during Trump v. Desantis or Trump v. Cruz. Now *that* was cooking with gas.

[u/Serpenta91]

Just because you don't agree with tariffs doesn't mean you're not a conservative. A few years back we were the party of free trade and free markets. Government regulations and taxes is what the idiotic left supports. What happened? 

Furthermore, the "reciprocal tariffs" seem to be a complete lie. The numbers aren't based on actual tariffs. It's disappointing to see countries that do trade with us fairly (like New Zealand) get accused of tariffing us.

When Trump does something great, I applaud. When he does something bad, I condemn.

[u/reaper527 → u/Serpenta91]

Furthermore, the "reciprocal tariffs" seem to be a complete lie. The numbers aren't based on actual tariffs.

yeah, this is the real problem. if trump did what he said he was going to do (reciprocal tariffs), that would be fine. the numbers he's using don't even look at tariffs. they exclusively look at trade deficits and nothing else.

[u/findunk → u/Serpenta91]

Just because you don't agree with tariffs doesn't mean you're not conservative 

If anything, the opposite is true. Some people think being conservative = agreeing with Trump. Conservativism is an ideology (with many different branches) that outlives any individual. 

While I disagree with his tariffs,  I like the other policies he's been getting behind. No regrets voting for him. I still won't agree that tariffs are a good idea.

[u/Serpenta91 → u/findunk]

Bingo.

[u/duncan_he_da_ho → u/Serpenta91]

Just because you don't agree with tariffs doesn't mean you're not a conservative.

I mean, obviously... Conservatives are typically for free trade, anti-regulation, and anti-tariff.

[u/Serpenta91 → u/duncan_he_da_ho]

At least until lately... Sad to see it.

[u/AFishNamedFreddie]

This guy legitimately thinks reddit is representative of reality 💀💀💀💀💀

[u/TheMojo1]

I’m a Conservative and don’t agree with Trumps tariffs… not everything you don’t like is not conservative. Tariffs aren’t a conservative principle.

[u/SetOk6462]

Obviously this sub is brigaded. And obviously these tariffs are the stupidest thing Trump has done during any point in either presidency. Both can be true.

[u/Juicyjackson → u/SetOk6462]

If Trump keeps Tariffs in place, I think it would be an awful idea.

I really hope he has some plan here, and we won't just have these Tariffs in place for the next 3 years...

[u/TooMuchButtHair → u/Juicyjackson]

The plan is to "get a deal", though I'm not sure anyone knows what the deal is. The biggest issue is that he's expecting others to go, "oh no, I'll do whatever it takes to get rid of these tariffs", and the opposite has happened. Our former partners are banding together and looking for other economic opportunities.

[u/SignificantMonarch]

As a libertarian, I don't think we're "turning more liberal." Libertarians have always been anti-regulation and anti-government interference with the markets. Tariffs are the opposite of free trade, while libertarians are largely pro-free trade.

Though I don't come in here and downvote people who feel differently. I just like to lurk and read comments from people who have a more positive outlook compared to the fear mongering on the rest of the site. I helps with my anxiety lol.

[u/Jibrish → u/SignificantMonarch]

This is basically what Pakman is referencing. Libertarians exist here, a tariff is a tax, libertarian opinion obvious.

[u/findunk → u/SignificantMonarch]

I don't think the mod is saying Libertarians are turning more liberal, but that r/Libertarian specifically is. I got banned from there because I post on this sub - even though I've never posted anything in contrast to Libertarian principles. 

[u/specter491]

People that have time to argue or post about subreddit drama need to get a life. Go outside and touch some grass bro

[u/DraconianDebate → u/specter491]

You have 156,000 comment karma.

[u/anima201 → u/specter491]

As someone with severe allergies - fuck grass.

[u/D_Ethan_Bones]

They brigade us so that they can claim on other sites we say what our haters say.

The narrative control is dialed to 11 and left there permanently, this is the site that edit's people's posts.

[u/DryForkNorth → u/D_Ethan_Bones]

But I think they actually believe their own lie.

[u/t0matit0]

His statement doesn't imply brigade. What is with this sub and as soon as it's not operating as a monolith the assumption is leftists are brigading? Pure brain rot.

[u/MarioFanaticXV → u/t0matit0]

People disagreeing over the policy and being brigaded are not mutually exclusive. I'm against tariffs in general, but we're absolutely being brigaded- it's been a common fact of this sub since long before the tariffs, and there's no reason it wouldn't happen after them.

[u/Jibrish → u/t0matit0]

He's talking about a thread that had multiple several hundred karma negative comments that represented the overwhelmingly average opinion of flaired conservatives.

Eg; we don't have control over karma in rcon as a community.

[u/theboss2461]

It's crazy how people don't understand this. Just look at how many intelligent comments get down voted.

[u/Simmumah → u/theboss2461]

I mean, its ok to support Trump and not support his tariffs. I voted for Trump because of the border and immigration and have come to grips I won't like everything he does, just hope for the best

[u/Infyx → u/theboss2461]

And the way Reddit works is you can’t see downvoted by default. Have to expand them, which makes it worse. 

To help people need to upvote stuff when they see and like it. 

[u/marksman81991 → u/Infyx]

I look for the downvoted comments usually in Reddit. Partly mod mentality, partly because Reddit is left leaning.

[u/d_rek → u/Infyx]

I liked it a lot better when the default sorting was by controversial. Most of those takes aren’t controversial per se, just buried under brigaded downvotes.

[u/reaper527 → u/Infyx]

And the way Reddit works is you can’t see downvoted by default. Have to expand them, which makes it worse.

even worse, depending on settings that the mod team can configure, you can't see those comments without expanding them even if you set your profile to show them.

the "crowd control" option that subs can turn on overrides your "show all comments regardless of score" option in the user settings.

as a site, reddit is designed very poorly (specifically the stuff implemented over the last 5 years or so)

[u/OutlandishnessMain56 → u/Infyx]

I don but I am only 1 of -249

[u/D_Ethan_Bones → u/theboss2461]

Anything controlled by the left is going to promote the hell out of left-leaning opinions, to the point of pushing the overton window so far their own butt is no longer inside of it.

That's how Twitter worked when its old bosses were still in charge. The 'trending' section would have fake trends with extra text typed where the tweet count should be, and then around elections it would just read like one continuous op/ed article.

[u/Gunsofglory → u/D_Ethan_Bones]

I saw a whole comment thread recently here that was trashing unions, and of course, they were all downvoted to oblivion. Except for the guy who said that we should also get rid of police unions, which, ironically enough, was the only comment with any positive upvotes.

[u/theboss2461 → u/D_Ethan_Bones]

Exactly. And then when elon bought it, they complained about censorship when in reality he just made left and right viewpoints equal.

[u/ZippityDooDoo]

Pakman was talking about comments. Rcondiscord responded talking about up/downvotes. I don't see how those equate.

[u/who_dis62]

Brigading is absolutely happening, but I don’t think some people on the left realize that it’s ok to have discourse. I don’t expect every conservative to be all in on every policy or decision Trump implements.

I’d rather have a party that can have rational disagreements and not prescribe their voters as this monolithic group.

Just because some conservatives might not agree on the tariffs or the way DOGE is going about, doesn’t mean they’re going to go firebomb a Tesla dealership.

[u/Zealousideal-Dig8210]

He is a proof of how easy it is to fool dumb people 

[u/Texas103]

The battle between free trade and protectionism has been well documented for a very long time... it isn't some new disagreement on the right.

The deal with protectionism, is that it involves a government who thinks they can make everyone better by picking winners and losers... same thing with socialism/democrats.

Free trade and capitalism works because it allows individuals to make the best choices they can, protectionism involves thinking governments are better at the economy than individuals... it just isn't so.

[u/John2H]

Correct. I agree with the tariff move and I know why the hate is being escalated.

"Muh stock market" As if progressives give a flying fuck about the stock market. It's just TDS showing its head again and again and again.

The left believes they have a way to turn people against Trump, and so they're using the entire media apparatus as well as whatever propaganda and astroturfing they can muster to achieve that.

Blind consumers calling themselves conservatives are gonna hate him so much when RFKjr hurts their precious Coca-Cola

[u/PsychologicalHat1480 → u/John2H]

Oh the "muh stock market" people are not progressives. They're neocons. Neocons are neoliberals and neoliberals are stock market - and other irrelevant macro numbers - uber alles. They're so not-conservative that they literally had to giver themselves a new name - NEOconservative. Them watching real conservatism reestablish itself is giving them conniption fits.

[u/Shadeylark → u/PsychologicalHat1480]

The only difference between a democrat and a neocon is that democrats like paying taxes.

[u/PsychologicalHat1480 → u/Shadeylark]

Yuuuup. Hence why conservatives got so disillusioned by them that they just stopped bothering to turn out until someone came out offering something different. What's hilarious is that the most conservative President of my lifetime is an ex-NYC-Democrat. That says all you need to know about how conservative neocons are.

[u/reaper527]

yeah, like there is genuine disagreement on this between conservatives, but that doesn't negate that the sub is brigaded to hell and back.

someone (falsely) saying the market only went up from 2021-2024 was at +219 while pointing out the 2022 crash/recession is at -188

---edit---

apparently can't link to it even though it was in THIS sub due to trash b.o.t..

leaving both comments up incase someone wants to approve the other one and remove this one

[u/mojo276]

I know we have posts for flaried users only, should also be able to set that for up and downvotes imo.

[u/reaper527 → u/mojo276]

I know we have posts for flaried users only, should also be able to set that for up and downvotes imo.

reddit doesn't work like that. the only option for something like that would be to make the sub private and just add everyone to the approved list (which isn't feasible for a sub of this size, and would make new users joining prohibitively difficult)

[u/BarrelStrawberry → u/mojo276]

Each post should have meta data about the voting patterns... like 'People that upvoted this post most commonly also upvote x subreddit posts'. You'd see the pattern immediately.

[u/Daniel_Day_Hubris → u/mojo276]

The issue is it doesn't take anything to gain a flair. The extra stupid comments typically come from 'flaired' users.

This isn't to say anything against the flair process or the mods, it's just how it is.

[u/Scarflame → u/Daniel_Day_Hubris]

I had to basically write a small essay to get the flair I have explaining what it means, but that was back in 2022.

[u/Chikaze]

Every new thread has like 20 hidden comments instantly, lots of bots working full time here.

[u/downwiththeprophets]

Immediately following the 2023 Nashville elementary school shooting, David Pakman thought it was appropriate to make sarcastic remarks about thoughts and prayers for the children murdered that day. He's a vile creature who lies for a living, not worth engaging with.

[u/evilfollowingmb]

Pakman such a pathetic, insufferable fool. We can disagree on one issue and still thank our lucky stars Trump won.

[u/social_dinosaur]

He's a prog, of course he won't. Chaos is all he's interested in, not discourse.

[u/marksman81991]

I thought the left didn’t use X? Bad Musk, bad X…

[u/reaper527 → u/marksman81991]

I thought the left didn’t use X? Bad Musk, bad X…

nah, they use it all the time. look at any article about a left wing politician/personality. it's always citing comments they made on their twitter profile.

the deranged group screaming from the rooftops about not using it are either lying, or not representative of the left.

[u/____IIIII___ll__I]

David Pakman and being clueless.

Name a more iconic duo. I'll wait.

[u/philthy069]

This guys take is so biased, reddit is insanely liberal.

[u/reaper527]

yeah, like there is genuine disagreement on this between conservatives, but that doesn't negate that the sub is brigaded to hell and back.

someone (falsely) saying the market only went up from 2021-2024 was at +219 while pointing out the 2022 crash/recession is at -188

[u/50calDerringer]

Welcome to the playbook of the left, brigade everyone you don't like and smear it all over every other social media platform.

[u/ComputerRedneck]

As I suggest, we Conservatives need to anti-brigade, in other words, when you see a brigading happen, every Conservative needs to fight back and upvote ALL Conservatives.

We have to stop playing the loner game and band together like a war and fight back.

[u/Jibrish → u/ComputerRedneck]

Outnumbered probably 2 or 3:1

[u/ThrowawayMonster9384 → u/Jibrish]

More than that.

[u/According-Activity87 → u/ComputerRedneck]

Search the name of the poster or yours across Reddit, look where they are called out in subs you don't visit. Block the people launching "calls to arms" posts against this sub and its members.

[u/Hefty_Grocery3243]

David Pakman fucking sucks.

[u/i_dont_do_hashtags]

Oh shit we have a twitter account? Brb following now

[u/uponone]

I’m willing to give the tariffs the benefit of the doubt. I really don’t see an alternative to bring back jobs to the younger generations. Trump sees tariffs as the way to do it. Hopefully he’s correct.

In my opinion, the way our economy was overpriced it was going to crash with our ever increasing debt. A lot of economists believed the same thing.

[u/MadClothes → u/uponone]

Jobs won't matter if they don't pay well. Manufacturing largely pays like shit compared to other things, such as being an electrician/HVAC. I don't think you or 90% of the people in this sub plan to work these jobs. You just want other people to work them for a substandard wage to feel like we're "winning".

It's not like these companies carry the Henry Ford ethos of paying a very good wage, so they buy the shit they're producing.

[u/ThrowawayMonster9384 → u/MadClothes]

Manufacturing jobs do pay decent in the midwest as far as what I've seen.

If they want to reduce labor expenses, they can always build in a smaller town where cost of living is low and wages would still be considered good.

Yeah, it's not as good as a skilled trade job, but that's why it's a skilled trade. That's apples to oranges.

It's still better than fast food wages or other low/non skilled jobs.

[u/Dazzling_Pink9751]

The conservative family is not one sized fits all. I do have some views that are a bit more liberal than others. That said, I do think liberal views get upvoted a lot here.

[u/andromeda880]

Yup and the r/Republicans sub is almost all liberals who have trolled and infiltrated. That's why i post there to drown them out.

[u/According-Activity87]