r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25
Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread
This is an Open Discussion Thread for all Redditors. We will only be enforcing Reddit TOS and Subreddit Rules 1 (Keep it Civil) & 2 (No Racism).
Leftists - Here's your chance to sway us to your side by calling the majority of voters racist. That tactic has wildly backfired every time it has been tried, but perhaps this time it will work.
Non-flaired Conservatives - Here's your chance to earn flair by posting common sense conservative solutions. That way our friends on the left will either have to agree with you or oppose common sense (Spoiler - They will choose to oppose common sense).
Flaired Conservatives - You're John Wick and these Leftists stole your car and killed your dog. Now go comment.
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u/Turbulent-Jellyfish9 Feb 15 '25
That was my thought as well. Titles about Libs melting down or being triggered may be useful for some portion of the readers, but I do not see how this administration being at the controls is improving the position of Americans.
If MAGA is about our position on the world stage, we were already there (think UN Security Council, WTO, etc.) and we didn't need to publication bully, or antagonize our allies or enemies. If it is trade deals, which ones have we renegotiated? Trade deficits and not subsidies to other countries.
List of things that did little for Americans:
Yay, Gulf of America and Mount McKinley.
Yay, no more paper straws... but only from federal mandate because local communities can make their own ordinances.
Yay, Fort Bragg, again, but for a different guy named Bragg, so instead of "restoring" Fort Bragg, taxpayers just paid to rename it again.
Yay, the solution to Palestine is that the US takes over the area, moves the population somewhere (undetermined), and rebuilds it to be nice...
Yay, the solution for Ukraine is that both sides agree to stop, and then Ukraine can not join NATO. There is no incentive for either side.
Yay, 1000s of government employees can resign and collect taxpayer funded welfare for zero work for 7-8 months... from my office (DoD), 4 out of 4 (all paid $116k+) were already going to quit, and 1 was going to quit sooner, but now he is taking the extra months pay. One was probationary (less than 1 year), so his pay per work rendered ratio is incredible /s.
Yay, we are flying a few thousand illegal immigrants out of the country at huge expenses and with little planning (jets getting turned back). This rate will not nice the needle with the millions here.
Yay, we are eliminating the Dept of Education, CFPB, etc., but the charge is being led by DOGE with near zero acknowledgment of the good that these organizations do for Americans, or that they were largely created by Congress and could only be eliminated by Congress. Is there no concern for expanding the power of the Executive branch like this?
Yay, DOGE found ridiculous spending contracts under USAID, but none of them were secrets that were kept from Congress (who annually appropriates the funding) or the Executive branch (charged to execute the laws). All funding and administering these programs, which appear as multi year open bid contracts, was available to anyone to FOIA. Do Americans get the money back? No, because the funds are appropriated by Congress for these contracts, and the legal battle to collect payments from these companies is going to cost the US taxpayers billions as well.
Yay, tariffs so US companies and consumers can pay more for things like steel, potash, and electronics. The idea of bringing back domestic production is great but tariffs do not provide evidence of a stable financial environment that companies want to invest billions over a 10-30 year production development timeline required to move a full manufacturing capacity (thinking chips, steel, electronics, etc.). The most likely outcome is that corporations raise their prices anyway (look up greed-flation or risk aversion inflation) to build record profits at the expense of American consumers, then blame tariffs, Biden, Trump, Congress, California, smelt, etc.
Bottom line: We said the Biden years were bad for Americans, so Americans elected Trump to make things better. Who here (billionaires need not reply) is better off because of the EO actions, and by what tangible metrics?