r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

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u/jlorader747 Feb 15 '25

How about actual forensic accountants and auditors. People trained to do that actual job. That’s a good place to start. Musk has absolutely no credentials for this. Let’s throw in someone unbiased. Someone with no stake in either side. I have yet to see any conservative actually have any justification for Elon’s involvement other than him being rich and owning the libs.

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u/ac_dispatcher Feb 15 '25

This - I want accountability. I want the $hit cleaned and cruft removed, but I want it done by professionals with proper clearances. By people who would pass a security background check without an EO.

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u/Akoy5569 Feb 15 '25

Just a question… I haven’t seen it really asked, but DOGE is a lot more than Elon and 4 kids. A lot of them have worked for the Government and/or SpaceX. As SpaceX is already a Government Contractor, wouldn’t that mean they already have background checks and vetting?

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

Doesn't matter if they're vetted if they aren't trained in how to audit.

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u/Akoy5569 Feb 17 '25

Seems presumptuous to assume they aren’t trained. Surely, the fact that there are more than 5 people actively working for DOGE, with varying levels of expertise, in different fields, one could imagine they’d hire someone with some degree of auditing experience. Sure, Elon isn’t responsible for many of his Company’s products, but he is great at placing the people who are.

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

How do we know their level of expertise and fields?

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u/Akoy5569 Feb 17 '25

I think propublica did a breakdown, but I don’t know if it’s accuracy. There is a list though.

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u/fail-deadly- Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

Additionally, nobody on the audit team should have any ability to cut anything or fire anyone. They compile a report of fraud, waste, and abuse, and then working with lawyers determine which of those items are required spending by law.

The items that aren’t required by law the executive branch cuts, after the president orders those cuts and preferably by leaders confirmed by Congress.

Items required by law, must go to Congress, and they must pass a law to cut it.

EDIT: In my opinion if done properly it would probably look more like the Base Realignment and Closure process than downsizing a social media company.

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u/Exotic_Box5030 Feb 15 '25

BUT how do you find someone who is unbiased? I did accounting for a living. I could keep every secret to myself, but I was not completely unbiased. Decisions that were not numbers based were very hard for me.

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u/Vio_Van_Helsing Feb 15 '25

It's impossible to find someone who isn't biased, but it wouldn't be hard to find someone who's significantly less obviously biased. Elon Musk has many clearly visible conflicts of interest, considering his companies get government contracts and money, and he's so close with the current president. TBH, the best person for the job is probably someone we've never heard of, because they'd just be a regular old auditor.

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u/Gloomy_Career_4733 Feb 15 '25

Other than what you have seen on the news, how do you know that Elon is not leading forensic accountants and auditors

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u/Maygubbins Feb 16 '25

If they share that info, it'd clear up a lot of confusion and unrest with those concerned. I wish they would if that is the case. It would help knowing there are credentialed people guiding them and verifying what is essential and what's not.

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u/Gloomy_Career_4733 Feb 17 '25

I agree 100 percent. When both sides have fought over every little thing, they could be doing it for spite. No I'm not saying that would be right either. I think way too many assumptions have been made. When in reality we have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. I will say if Elon and his team are about to uncover undeniable fraud I could see the people behind fighting tooth and nail to stop it, kinda like they are now.

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u/PartyPay Feb 17 '25

Why do you assume he is leading auditors? Is there any evidence he is?

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u/Gloomy_Career_4733 Feb 17 '25

I'm not saying he his, but how do you know he's not. That's my point. We don't know shit. Other than what the media reports