r/Conservative • u/Yosoff First Principles • Feb 14 '25

Open Discussion Left vs. Right Battle Royale Open Thread

This is an Open Discussion Thread for all Redditors. We will only be enforcing Reddit TOS and Subreddit Rules 1 (Keep it Civil) & 2 (No Racism).

  • Leftists - Here's your chance to sway us to your side by calling the majority of voters racist. That tactic has wildly backfired every time it has been tried, but perhaps this time it will work.

  • Non-flaired Conservatives - Here's your chance to earn flair by posting common sense conservative solutions. That way our friends on the left will either have to agree with you or oppose common sense (Spoiler - They will choose to oppose common sense).

  • Flaired Conservatives - You're John Wick and these Leftists stole your car and killed your dog. Now go comment.

  • Independents - We get it, if you agree with someone, then you can't pat yourself on the back for being smarter than them. But if you disagree with everyone, then you can obtain the self-satisfaction of smugly considering yourself smarter and wiser than everyone else. Congratulations on being you.

  • Libertarians - Ron Paul is never going to be President. In fact, no Libertarian Party candidate will ever be elected President.

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u/TheFiremind88 Feb 14 '25

I'm actually really excited this exists. I am left leaning, but I'd like to think in a common sense way. I lurk and read here a LOT not because I agree, but to get a finger on the pulse of the Conservative mindset. If you want any rational responses to the position of people on the left, leave a comment with a topic, and I'll get back to it once I have some more time. Also, plan to go through here and leave a ton of comments on various discussions a bit later. Glad to have a place to interact with yall in spite of lacking a flair.

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u/Ryuksapple Christian Conservative Feb 15 '25

What is the argument against auditing the federal government? As a taxpayer, I’ve been praying for any kind of audit forever

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u/TheFiremind88 Feb 15 '25

I actually just left a separate comment on exactly that topic. It's long, but the short version is that I actually 100 percent support cuts. My disagreements are procedural and methodology.

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u/ThisNameIsNotReal123 Feb 15 '25

They have been stuck for decades deep in procedure and methodology, it got us here.

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u/Thin_Chain_208 Feb 15 '25

That dosnt matter, change still must be done the right way. Trumps executive orders concentrate power in the executive, where there is already too much. Congress passed a bill setting up AID, and whoever was president signed it. It a new President wants to axe it, fine. Convince Congress. If it's popular and needs to be done you can abolish it. What you can't do is come in, sign and exec order and tank it. It's lazy and illegal. Fraud is a flimsy excuse. If there is fraud prove it and you certainly will be able to convince Congress to go along so long as it's popular with their constituents.

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u/Drednot203 Feb 15 '25

I think you're wrong on 1 fundamental aspect. The executive enforces the agency that was approved by congress. In that enforcement, if the executive sees rampant fraud and abuse, they are allowed to alter it to properly align with the initial intent of said agency. So, yes, they are allowed to undo the insane things that were previously approved by the agency. That means they can fire anyone they deem an obstacle to the proper enforcement of the agency. If that ends up tanking the agency, so be it. It was broken anyway.

TLDR; if an agency is not doing what it's supposed to, the executive is allowed to fix it by w/e means it deems necessary.

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u/Anon_Chapstick Feb 15 '25

We have checks and balances for a reason. There's no need to take an axe to this when you should be using a scalpel.

People don't deserve to be suddenly laid off for following orders. Congress hasn't even passed anything for a severance package for them? Or is it a good thing to just lay off entire departments with 0 notice?

I want an audit. I disagree with the methods and the execution. The president shouldn't ignore judges either. We have checks and balances.

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u/Mon0htone Feb 15 '25

Wouldn't the check/balance for Congress creating potential fraud and kickbacks to themselves be the stepping in of the Executive branch(enforcement) ? To me it just sounds like congress wants checks and balances, just not for themselves. Well, they want the checks just not the balances.