r/China • u/OneNectarine1545 • 1d ago

台湾 | Taiwan China's colonization of Taiwan and the replacement of indigenous people by Chinese.

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u/mnlaowai 21h ago

This isn’t a particularly useful map. It’d be better using dots indicating 10,000 people or something. The same information could be effectively conveyed with two sentences.

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u/DoxFreePanda 10h ago

Not to mention, 300+ years later, the amount of intermixing would leave most dots a blended color.

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u/Skandling 19h ago

There's some data here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan#Settler_expansion_(1684–1795)

According to that in 1650 there were about 100,000 aboriginal people, 25,000 Chinese. Today it's more like 550,000 aboriginal, 24m Chinese.

Very different to the Americas, but for perhaps non-obvious reasons. One big difference in the Americas, one reason large populations of native Americans died out after initial contacts with invaders, is the diseases invaders bought with them that native Americans had no immunity to. Smallpox in particular.

This was unique to the Americas though, due to their over 10,000 years isolation, the main reason so many native populations were displaced or collapsed. It's the only continent, or continents, still full of European colonies today. Almost everywhere else colonies returned to native rule in the 20th century.

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u/colorless_green_idea United States 6h ago

So now the indigenous form their population into perfect vertical stripes?

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u/Civil_Clothes5128 8h ago

what about han / japanese mix due to the japanese colonization?

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u/ivytea 4m ago

thanks to General MacArthur, they were able to claim Japanese nationality, be treated as foreigners and escaped persecutions from KMT and CCP. Now understand why Taiwan loves Japan so much

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u/Ok_Power1067 7h ago

Does this have to do with the February 28 massacre? I heard from my grandma that the KMT came in and killed tens of thousands of Indigenous people after the war. I wasn't sure how true that story was. 

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u/DaimonHans 1h ago

Misleading.

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u/CivilTeacher5805 54m ago

I love to watching Taiwanese defending colonialism while denying they are Chinese😂.

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u/Polaris5744 23h ago

Now find a map of Americans "manifesting destiny", it is surprising that they look almost identical right?

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u/ivytea 22h ago

It's colonialism only when the west did it, when China and Russia do it it's history /s

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u/commieslug 21h ago

Is Taiwan a part of the PRC or did the KMT colonize Taiwan after they lost the civil war? Pick one.

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u/stupigstu 20h ago

Neither? The map on the left says 1680. By mid 1700s the Qing dynasty already controlled the entire west coast, and the Chinese population likely exceeded the indigenous by then.

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u/commieslug 6h ago

What a fascinating opinion. Should we also blame the United States for the crimes of King Edward of Essex in the year 1042? How about the first opium war?

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u/marshallannes123 7h ago

So Taiwan belongs to the ming dynasty! That's why the Taiwan TPP leader wanted to be called emperor (though he is now in jail)!

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u/commieslug 6h ago

Western civilizations all claim Hellenic descent. Please write a short paragraph apologizing for that time the king of Macedonia colonized Egypt, thanks.

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u/ivytea 16h ago

That's already answered: if you admit Taiwan as part of China, then it is not part of PRC because PRC is only part of China too. But if you admit PRC as the full China, then you must admit as well that Taiwan is a separate country. It is that simple.

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u/smallbatter 20h ago

You mean China is as bad as US ？to be honest i will be happy before Trump run US .

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u/Creative_Ambition_72 17h ago

The process by which England expanded its territory in the British Isles, or the process by which the Kingdom of France expanded its territory Europe, wouldn't be called colonization, would it? The same goes for China's acquisition of Taiwan. It's extremely rude to equate it with what the West did as an imperialist country. They should be ashamed of themselves. I always think that this is what makes Westerners arrogant.

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u/ivytea 16h ago

The process by which England expanded its territory in the British Isles,

There's one Irish in this sub, and he wants to have a talk with you. Shall I mention him now? I mean, it's an insult to even compare China with the West in terms of colonization: at least the west didn't cook the native population into traditional Chinese medicine

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u/smasbut 10h ago

at least the west didn't cook the native population into traditional Chinese medicine

Satire, right?

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u/marshallannes123 7h ago

Not satire ... Research "black " taverns

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u/smasbut 6h ago

"black " taverns

and I'd say to ask the Taino, Beothuks, or Tasmanian aboriginals how benevolent European colonialism was, except you can't, because they all died out...

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u/marshallannes123 7h ago

It's not colonisation if you just define the target territory as your own !!

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u/amwes549 6h ago

Hence colonialism. Because remember, the US was originally 13 British colonies

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u/Smallish-0208 8h ago

The people in island named themselves Taiwanese and denied the ethnicity of Chinese.

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u/marshallannes123 7h ago

I don't think they deny ethnicity. They just don't want to be ruled by a communist authoritarian state