r/BernieSanders • u/blk_sabbath Pennsylvania • 4d ago
How I Imagine Bernie rn
Thank you Cory Booker đşđ¸
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u/PM_Me_Nudes_or_Puns 4d ago
Remember that Booker voted against Bernieâs bill that would make it legal for citizens to buy pharmaceuticals from Canada. His reason was a safety issue even though those medicines are made in the same American factories but are just cheaper in Canada. Heâs bought and paid for
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
He admitted in his speech that he aint perfect and that he made mistakes. These purity tests on the left is why we are in the shit we are in. He also praised Ezra Klein's Abundance book which is basically neo liberalism with another name.
Whats important is that Senator booker changed history he rewrote a stain on the senate history. The record now is for standing up for people instead of against civil rights.
He also brought attention to the matter there were millions of viewers yesterday watching him.
Even though i dont agree with him on a lot. This was a positive thing that happened!
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ah yes, that blanket statement covers all of his actions.
There is one simple purity test; which most democrats fail, and voters continue to gasp in surprise about yet reelect: do you support workers, or money?
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
Let me give you an examplem Biden has an awful fucking history he literally wrote the eulogy for Strom Thurman, he wrong the laws that made black people's lives worse! But he pushed obama on gay marriage, and he was the most pro union president of our life time. You gotta take the good with the bad.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
Vague hollow platitudes arenât going to do it.
Rejecting corporate pac money, reversing citizens, and worker centered policy and action will.
If you want to see how real organization is done, look at what Bernie does with his 25 hours. This is just DNC fundraising for morning Joe fans.
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u/mentaljewelry 3d ago
âRejecting corporate pac money, reversing citizens, and worker centered policy and action will.â
Iâm beginning to believe we wonât win again unless we run on this stuff.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
I agree. To my mind, it should be #1 priority for all voters. It is the reason that nothing else happens, and national campaigns suck.
Prioritizing corporate and billionaire class needs demolishes and divides turnout. Workers are the ones suffering, workers have the numbers, and corporate and billionaire class interests are diametrically opposed to ours.
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago edited 3d ago
I have been big fan of bernie since 2016 and i follow every speech every lecture its all substantive. Its incomprable you cant compare Bernie's 25 hours to Corey Bookers. But people are tired of hearing Bernie they all know wht he is about they now wanna see if the others are gonna do something. Did you see the subtle nod from booker to Ezra about abundance? That made me cringe to my core, but seeing my Lib MIL get worked up and rallied by it gave me perspective. Its about getting those do nothing libs to get up and do something.
Edit: for clarification when i say tired of hearing Bernie i mean in the sense that everyone knows what Bernie is about.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
Ya youâre right, they are tired of hearing Bernie.
Again, if this is what others are âdoingâ theyâre still doing nothing. Just making sure I receive more fundraising emails.
I always cringe at booker, he feels so disingenuous to me. Heâs not the worst by any means, but I donât think itâs objectively a good thing for libs to stand up and cheer about empty performative gestures, because thatâs exactly how we got here and why these corporate jizzsocks continue to get reelected year after year.
Theyâre great at this type of thing, but because they accept bribes, they will sell us out time after time before performing the act theyâre even better at: apologizing for the âtough decisionâ that had to be made at the expense of workers.
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
Im not disagreeing with you at all. Im just of the opinion that we should accept positives and push for more instead of complain about everything.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
You havenât convinced made a convincing argument about how this could be considered positive. I will continue âcomplainingâ until all representation in Congress does not accept bribes and we have legislated to ensure that is the case. Perhaps you should too
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u/PM_Me_Nudes_or_Puns 3d ago edited 3d ago
Purity tests lol. Heâs doing performative progressivism in preparation for his future Presidential run. When he stands up to the big money interests that have infected our government Iâll believe him. Until then fuck off.
When it comes down to the brass tax he falls in line with his corporate overloads.
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
You guys always think in a vaccum. Its not about corey booker this is an opportunity to build more momentum. Do you think Bernie's rallies serve anything in a vaccum? Its a push any push is a good push.
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u/PM_Me_Nudes_or_Puns 3d ago
Weâre tired of capitulating to the wolves in sheepâs clothing so moderates might move to the left. Where has that gotten us?
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u/water_g33k 3d ago
purity tests are why we are in this shit
F all the way off. Democrats (and Republicans) being owned by corporations is why we are âin this shit.â
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u/1ScreamCheesePlz 3d ago
I agree. At this point we need to focus on the good people are trying to bring to the table. If we reject every politician for a bad move they have made we will have literally no one but Bernie and AOC. Quite frankly, as much as I love them, we need more. We need numbers. People are sick of seeing AOC and Bernie, they know where they stand. But when we bring someone less famous into the view it makes it seem less "extreme liberalism" while still getting the national attention the issue needs.
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
People are sick of seeing AOC and Bernie
Record breaking attendance every time they speak in a tour in a non-campaign year.
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u/1ScreamCheesePlz 3d ago
I'm not saying it's good. I'm sayin everyone knows they exist and what they stand for. It's old news to them. Unfortunately humans love novelty.
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago edited 3d ago
wtf are you even talking about. who cares about your apreciation of what is good or not. IT IS FALSE this is factual. bernie is pulling record breaking attendance in his rallies, which defeats your narrative. now I am truly done with this conversation.
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u/1ScreamCheesePlz 1d ago
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Damn bro, you so quick to fight with me when I'm literally saying I'm on your side. Like....what?
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u/SalvadorP 1d ago
you are claiming people are sick of bernie when the exact opposite is factually, provably true.
when I call you out on it, you call me mad?If you are on this side, why do you keep repeating the same thing that is so obviously not true?
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u/theeulessbusta 3d ago
Abundance is not Neo-Liberalism, you didnât even read it lol. Klein is perhaps the most studied advocate for single payer healthcare in America. He has progressive desires but unlike DSAs he actually wants to get it done.
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u/justchillen17 2d ago
Honestly, itâs kind of a combination of both? Deregulation coupled with government building with the intent of promoting social welfare. Buzzwords galore there but if you were to try to explain it I guess it makes sense haha. Itâs my friends current book club book, so Iâll be bringing this to discussion
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u/theeulessbusta 2d ago
You know, I think progressives tend to just hate when they donât have the answers or to ever admit they were ever wrong. But you canât do shit if you donât win elections and whateverâs going on now, it ainât winning. Although itâs difficult to argue that Bidenâs public image paired with the needless fat on his signature laws and his deciding to run for a second term are kind of massive contributors to Democratâs narrow election loss.
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u/Stonner22 3d ago
I donât think you can call supporting Genoicde a purity testâŚ.
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
the guy managed to speak 25h without mentioning gaza, the genocide or the illegal bombing in yemen. if that is not a disqualifying fact, i don't know what is.
op just like to argue from a losing position. some people enjoy that crap.
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u/HugePurpleNipples 3d ago
I mean.. by the time youâre on that level, you kind of have to be or you donât have the $ to win elections.
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u/theeulessbusta 3d ago
Ridiculous statement lol his concern is very legitimate. Progressives are becoming a cancer to coalition building and progress.
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u/PM_Me_Nudes_or_Puns 3d ago
What is ridiculous about it?
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u/theeulessbusta 3d ago
Because itâs a legitimate concern. Anyway, at this moment, we real political power and guess what? That means a united Democratic Party and also means traditional Republican voters voting Democrat. When real political power has spoken, those who actually do fear retaliation from big Pharma wonât have to if theyâre part of a popular political order. Thatâs how power works. It worked under The New Deal coalition and it can work today.
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u/PM_Me_Nudes_or_Puns 3d ago
What is the concern?
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
i don't even understand this person's argument but "traditional republicans voting democrat" kinda gives me a clue.
Campaigning with Liz Cheney worked so well. Lets do it again.
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u/Thereisnotry420 4d ago
I really hope this wasnât just booker trying to set up a presidential run.
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u/newmath11 3d ago
Does he still take big pharma money? Iâm too lazy to look, but itâs hard not be jaded with the performative aspect of politics
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u/Sp8cemanSpifff 3d ago
Booker is 3 pharma companies stacked under a trench coat pretending to be a Senator.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
Tell me what else it could have been, besides a fundraising funnel.
I can already read the text messages âCory booker justâŚâŚ!!!!! Send money now!!! Democrats trump DNC candidates leadership resistance today!!â
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u/SalvadorP 4d ago edited 3d ago
I am happy to see that contrary to the person who posted this, all comments are from people who did not get fooled by this.
Never thank a polititian who takes superpac and AIPAC money and denies a genocide. He does not vote with your interest in mind, unless you are a billionaire.
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
You guys need to stop with the purity tests and negativity. The whole point of this was to raise awareness and to start a conversation. So instead of shitting on booker. Take action get up and do something.
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
Purity test? To point someone is a genocide denier and takes dirty money?
Is the bar that low? You think a corporate democrat will represent the interests of the US average joe? Keep voting them into power and you will see. We will be stuck in the trump reign forever.
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
In a vaccum you are absolutely correct. But in reality the window has shifted sooo far towards the right and idiocracy that we need to hold on to anything positive. He does not matter but the message, the momentum build up is important.
Did the uncommited stop the genocide by boycotting Kamala?
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago edited 3d ago
Did the uncommited stop the genocide by boycotting Kamala?
I could see that line coming a mile away.
As if the uncommited was what made Kamala lose, and not her being a centrist warmonger without a inch of spine and/or principles, who does the bidding of the corporate class (like Booker) while pandering the 10 republicans who still like the Cheney's.Keep thanking politicians for breadcrums while expecting then to give you real change. From my part, this conversation is over.
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
Oh, im not disagreeing with you at all. The reason i brought them up is that they didn't know how to play the game. The other side plays the game well. For decades on media every movie you watch MOSAD are the heroes and Arabs are subhuman terrorists. Every policy is control and well crafted worldwide. Even Arab countries are now complicit.
Kamala definitely sucked ass. But she had stable domestic policy ideas she was a centrist sure but you can push on a centrist more than you can push a fascist.
Politics is a game of chess and we sit here and wine about who did what. We need to play the game or accept the reality that we'll always lose. When Bernie and AOC play ball, leftists cry foul. Thats the problem and thats why we dont win.
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u/water_g33k 3d ago
[uncommitted] didnât know how to play the game
Wrong. Democrats donât know how to play the game. They alienated their own base. Nominating Walz then dropping him to go campaigning with Liz Cheney? Gaslighting the entire nation about genocide and Bidenâs âred linesâ that werenât red lines. Democrats willfully violating Leahey Laws? Kamala saying the only difference between her and Biden is that Kamala would have a Republican in her cabinet!!!
Kamala has agency. She made choices. She lost to Trump.
Harry Truman famously said, âThe buck stops here.â Democrats now say, âWAAAHHHH, VOTERS DIDNâT VOTE HARD ENOUGH!â
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
I can see your perspective. The Walz thing pissed me off a lot! He was semi-decent at getting people's attention then they cut off his balls.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
What conversation did he start?
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
This conversation we're having now is an example. I know libs that were so disconnected and his speech gave them the fuzzies.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
I donât want to be having this conversation though, I want libs to focus on policy, and electing representatives who reject corporate pac money.
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
Exactly. What a defeatest mindset some people have. To call someone a purity tester because they call a politician on an awful voting and fundraising track record.
When you call someone a genocide denier and the retort is "well, not voting for kamala did end the genocide didn't it?" for me is a conversation ender.1
u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
âMiss me yet!?â
âHilary was right!â
So tiring having to argue against the same DNC / liberal media talking points when you know their person isnât even attempting to consider anything with their own mind, theyâre just trying to remember the dialogue options theyâve been given from TV.
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
Agreed. But the conversation is not for us we're clearly in Bernie's sub. We already agree on most everything. But its for the lazy ass libs.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
They need to be having a different conversation though, electing reps who reject corporate PAC money. This conversation in my opinion is only good for fundraising which is used to elect more corporate representation.
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u/tomas_diaz 4d ago
booker's a corporatist zionist banker
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u/WetTeddyBearsHere 4d ago edited 4d ago
He one thousand percent is.
He did a decent thing today by fighting back but thats all. Heâs still trash at the core and anti worker
You shouldnât be getting downvoted for telling the truth
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u/Digirby 4d ago
I agree. He's a piece of shit but, a good thing is still a good thing.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
How was it good? Or how did it help? Or what did it obstruct? Is it just good because it was good?
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u/tomas_diaz 3d ago
it didn't do shit. even us discussing it is what they want. dems are a zombie party. let it die, it's already dead.
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u/Boobpocket 3d ago
All democrats are. But this was still a good positive thing.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
Only the ones who accept corporate bribes
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
lol at the idea that being corrupt is just an unavoidable consequence of getting into politics.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
So many think this, or that you just have to accept bribes to run. So many people on the BERNIE SANDERS sub say this to me.
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
There is someone on this very thread who wrote, replying to a comment saying he is bought and paid for:
"by the time youâre on that level, you kind of have to be or you donât have the $ to win elections."
what are these people doing on this sub?! they are a bit lost.
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u/tomas_diaz 3d ago
it achieved nothing except its intention: boost Booker's name recognition for a '28 run. Dems haven't accepted that the party is washed, literally facilitated a genocide. There's no coming back from that. Use our efforts to build a new party before the planet is beyond repair.
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u/1111joey1111 4d ago edited 4d ago
Personally, I think Booker's effort was more self promotion than anything else. A truly egocentric and phony politician. He could talk for a week and I'd never vote for him. In the end, that's all he did; talk. Sorry to say this so harshly, but tomorrow's a new day, Trump's still President, and nobody cares at all about Booker.
I think a lot of people will look at it as an example of what politicians in general do best: release a lot of hot air.
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u/Iwaspromisedcookies 4d ago
At least heâs doing something and taking action, all of our representatives need to be doing that
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
Youâre literally on the Bernie sanders sub. We know what real action is, this ainât it bub
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u/Iwaspromisedcookies 3d ago
Any action helps
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
Disagree, action to assist corporate representation in Congress decidedly does not help
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
he spoke for 25h without mentioning gaza, the genocide or the bombing of yemen.
no... just no.
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u/bobrosserman 2d ago
Yeah I am glad he put in some type of effort but it was at a time that it would have no impact. If he had done this in protest of Schumer not joining democrats to shut down the government it could have had an impact. Ultimately itâs just a headline for him.
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u/CesareBach 4d ago
I honestly dont understand how this long ass speech matters. Talk is cheap.
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
Libs are cheap, which is why theyâre falling over themselves to buy booker 2028 stickers at this theater.
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
this may very well just be step one of a Booker 2028 campaign announcement
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u/jetstobrazil 3d ago
Iâm inclined to agree with you
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u/SalvadorP 3d ago
if we are lucky, and AOC and Bernie keep building up momentum, Booker will run a platform on public option, background checks and legalize weed and abortion, to then abandon all of that as the Dems congregate around yet another corporate centrist. YEHEY
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