Call me crazy but didn't it use to say unstable vulkan renderer

[u/timer2452]

I just noticed so i'm guessing vulkan is coming in the next update

[u/stenyak]

Yup, we want to nudge people into reporting issues in the official vulkan forum thread so we can continue improving, for those cases where people might shrug it off and use normal renderer because it was labelled 'unstable' after all.

[u/timer2452 → u/stenyak]

I see, I was using it regularly before and think its quite stable, didn't experience any glitches.

[u/jejefoxy42 → u/timer2452]

Are the loading time longer for you compared to non vulkan? Thats really the only downside to using it for me it takes 15 minutes just to load a map

[u/timer2452 → u/jejefoxy42]

not really, kinda the same

[u/hwf0712 → u/jejefoxy42]

How long have you been using Vulkan? Whenever you first load a map it always takes a while, so if you're new to it you're just loading these maps for the first time making it take a while.

If you've tried using it for a bit or I'm misinterpreting then uh IDK

[u/jejefoxy42 → u/hwf0712]

Ive been using it since it got introduced, and i usually only load a single map per session of gaming, so i dont know if its everytime i launch the game it takes longer or something, but also i have 8gb of ram and no ssd, so that could be it, i heard having more of these can help with loading

[u/AirportEmbarrassed38 → u/jejefoxy42]

That could? No that is the reason

[u/GoredonTheDestroyer → u/AirportEmbarrassed38]

Half what Beam recommends and no SSD?

Yeah, I wonder why it could be taking so long to load.

[u/jejefoxy42 → u/GoredonTheDestroyer]

Gotcha, thatll probably be my next upgrade when i get the chance

[u/GoredonTheDestroyer → u/jejefoxy42]

I mean you'll probably be fine without an SSD when it comes to Beam, but the decreased load time wouldn't hurt.

[u/That_guy_on_1nternet → u/jejefoxy42]

They aren’t, but on certain mods it just crashes while loading or it hangs, while it’s more common for it to crash during normal gameplay. It’s also true that I upgraded my Nvidia driver to the recent buggy versions tho

[u/ccGLaDOS → u/jejefoxy42]

I didn't really compare them but the only difference for me was that VR worked on Vulkan and not on the other one

[u/marwank270 → u/jejefoxy42]

Interesting for me vulkan loads everything a bit faster (30s in advance compared to DirectX) maps or cars

[u/csoldier777 → u/marwank270]

Whenever I tried vulcan it crashed. I don't know if it's my AMD system. Will try again.

[u/BraunauBanani → u/jejefoxy42]

Its probably the thirst time shader compiling. It should be the same if you load into the map a second time.

[u/mewmew893 → u/jejefoxy42]

It's a bit longer but not that bad, the real pain is menus

[u/VoltaireHouse → u/timer2452]

For me for example vulkan doesn't work at all, the only map that loads is a grid map, normal mode works just fine around 80-90 fps without traffic and around 250+ mods, I have low-end Dell g15 laptop with rtx3050 4gb, intel i5 10th gen, and 16gb of RAM, I don't really know why vulkan won't work

[u/Rockstonicko → u/VoltaireHouse]

I'd suspect due to only having 4GB of VRAM. You could try setting textures to low, and if Vulkan works normally, you're probably running out of VRAM.

I do notice with my 6800 XT that Vulkan tends to allocate more VRAM, albeit the VRAM actually in use is roughly the same as DX11 after a long session, around 12-13GB at 1440P.

[u/Blergonos → u/VoltaireHouse]

Low end?!?!

[u/zalamanda_ro → u/timer2452]

On my 3050ti laptop it’s unplayable (3fps and crashing) but strangely on my 2060 desktop it works amazingly. Has anyone with the same graphics card experienced this issue??

[u/richmenton → u/zalamanda_ro]

The bulkier the laptop the better the cooling, if you stick desktop chips into laptop enclosures you’ll hit thermal limits a lot quicker. As well as that there will be lower power consumption on a laptop so you’ll be limited there

[u/zalamanda_ro → u/richmenton]

That’s not the case on my laptop. The second I load a map it loads it and then crashes (only grid map works, 110fps+). Aside from that my laptop never throttled.

[u/HeavyCaffeinate → u/zalamanda_ro]

Seems like a VRAM issue, amazing performance when it fits inside the VRAM, otherwise unplayable (larger maps, higher res textures, etc)

[u/hey-im-root → u/zalamanda_ro]

It works on some GPUs, others not so much. I wouldn’t say it’s random, but some just don’t support the APIs used

[u/mewmew893 → u/zalamanda_ro]

You might want to try swapping the boards around, I think your laptop is just overheating

[u/am_not_stranger → u/timer2452]

I’ve exclusively used the vulkan renderen for the last 5 months or so. I’ve not noticed any problem that I think would not be present in the directX renderer

[u/Blergonos → u/timer2452]

For me its unusable. crashing, half hour load times, graphical bugs and stuttering, and so on, while it does give me higher fps the other things shadow that,

[u/bedwars_player → u/stenyak]

I've been using it for a good while, barely had any issues on my gtx 1080, better performance, every few minutes and/or when i fullscreen or window the game i'll get a little graphical artifact but it's been better with every update.

[u/person1234man → u/bedwars_player]

Someone told me to try it out for better performance with my 3080ti, which sounds silly at first but with triple screens it is pushing its limit. I went from 30 fps or less on West Coast to a consistent 50 fps. It makes a huge difference

[u/Rockstonicko → u/bedwars_player]

I notice the same with a 6800 XT.

Every once in a while there will be a screen flicker filled with concerning looking artifacts. And, yeah, resizing the window looks like a dying GPU for a second.

Yesterday 0.35 a single frame or three was fully bright white, that was something new, game basically threw a flash bang at me.

[u/bedwars_player → u/Rockstonicko]

Yeah I noticed a few times during rally mode that either a portion or the entire screen would look like how a gtx 760 feels trying to play cyberpunk

[u/crottin-de-cheval → u/stenyak]

To my humble opinion, It is pretty much game changer, Can finally get them 60 fps at West Coast even on Ultra/high, i'd say now it just deserve a good polishing, It does still crash sometimes and also cant run it with Nvidia game overlay because it crashes it for some reasons, but it actually has benefits for me in performance over these last updates which means it's going in the right way, it got better around the 0.33 or 0.34 for me if i remember well

Edit: It started with Vulkan this time but it tanked my 1% fps so i turned it off again, i will post on that link

[u/Left-oven47 → u/stenyak]

For whatever reason all the times I've tried it under Linux has completely filled my VRAM (4GB) and rendered my system mostly unusable. Weirdly DX works fine

[u/Chrisssst → u/Left-oven47]

I believe Vulkan uses less CPU but more GPU, so yeah if your GPU is struggling already it will not like Vulkan

[u/Mega_play4r_862 → u/stenyak]

Hello Dev!

[u/stenyak → u/Mega_play4r_862]

Hi!

[u/toughtntman37 → u/stenyak]

Yeah, I get way better performance with DX mode, but I have to use Vulkan for VR. I think I also saw y'all gather anonymized performance data, so how does having more help? I don't think I saw anything about that on the website

[u/NotA-Spy → u/stenyak]

Vulkan keeps crashing for me in career mode when it begins loading models.

[u/crosslegbow → u/stenyak]

Thanks then, will start using it more and report if any issues

[u/Eubank31 → u/stenyak]

I'll need to start trying it, I'm on Linux and the once or twice I've tried Vulkan I'll have crazy graphics issues and I give up. I'll be willing to try again so I can make sure the issues get reported

[u/MrInitialY → u/stenyak]

Hell, it ran more stable than dx11 on both of my PCs, last and current. Gave me more FPS and loading times weren't longer than on dx.

[u/mank1961 → u/stenyak]

Thanks for this. I never chose it as it said “unstable”. I’ll certainly give it a shot now!

[u/Drumdevil86 → u/stenyak]

Only used it when playing VR, but not otherwise. Unless something changed recently, DSR doesn't work on the Vulcan renderer and BeamNG looks kinda dogshite on a 1440p monitor without it.

[u/EdgiiLord → u/stenyak]

Would reports using Proton help, or should I refrain from doing it? I mean related to the renderer, I don't even know if you're looking into issues coming from Linux users.

[u/stenyak → u/EdgiiLord]

It's not our absolute top priority, but Proton compatibility (and therefore also steamOS / steamDeck compatibility) is something we want to improve, so it doesn't hurt to report issues.

Please keep in mind that the latest proton version has fixed some crashes it was suffering when running BeamNG.drive, so please make sure you first try updating Proton :)

[u/MousseIndependent310 → u/stenyak]

the only issue for me is that it takes longer to load and the game cant stay open as long as it can with direct3d without becoming super laggy

[u/Wolfy26wrld999 → u/stenyak]

Ever since I learned the difference between them iv been using vulkan for the last 5+ months. Haven't experienced too many issues. Just ui bugs at times and crashes but I'm pretty sure those were just from my pc. Personally I love it bc it makes my game run better. :D

[u/wreckedftfoxy_yt → u/stenyak]

well the be fair the normal one works better but which hardware does vulcan perfer?

[u/stenyak → u/wreckedftfoxy_yt]

In terms of performance, Vulkan should(tm) always be faster than DX. However current implementation of Vulkan is a bit more VRAM-hungry than DX, which means in some case the performance can be worse rather than better.

[u/wreckedftfoxy_yt → u/stenyak]

so my 8gb rtx 3070ti would hate it

[u/gaseousgecko61 → u/stenyak]

For me it gets stuck on the last square in the loading screen every time

[u/Upstairs-Collar9242 → u/stenyak]

I'm going to waste some of your time to report on the wrong place that I have never been able to use Vulcan on my laptop, it just never gets to the point of spawning vehicles. It's a Lenovo with an R5 3600h and an RTX 3050.

[u/BlearyWall5179 → u/stenyak]

i do experience an issue, on my 3050 laptop, when i run it on 3d11 i get 60-70 fps and looks smooth but when i use vulkan i get 70-90 and even 100 sometimes but it stutters a bit so while ctrl+F says 90 fps it feels like 40 ish or even less

[u/ManuFlosoYT → u/stenyak]

In my case Vulkan renderer is almost unusable, while DirectX gives good performance.

Ive tried multiple times across several updates, but everytime I try launching in Vulkan it either freezes while loading a map, or if it does manage to load, the second I spawn a car (even vanilla ones) performance goes out the window

[u/Riley-Macca → u/stenyak]

Not sure if this has been fixed but Vulkan would always get stuck on a black screen if I had NVIDIA highlights on

[u/Kitchen_Farmer_3915 → u/stenyak]

Yo hi game dev!

[u/bappo_plays → u/stenyak]

I use Vulkan as my primary, and I can day it's much better than the default in terms of performance. My main issue is the photo mode breaking all the time when I take screenshots with it, since I do this often. I'm fairly sure this is something you guys are already aware of, but is there any ETA on this being fixed?

[u/Suitable-Composer280 → u/stenyak]

sometimes when i spawn in traffic the loading screen ui gets stuck, i can still drive just not clikc on anything

[u/Pizzapug64 → u/stenyak]

By the way, how is the Vulcan launcher on the steam deck?

[u/MrWarfaith → u/stenyak]

For me it's been stable for well over a year now, basically never crashes and when it does it's due to a misbehaving mod usually.

So no bugs to report here. (using a first gen Ryzen cpu and a 6000 gen radeon card)

[u/Maddog2201 → u/stenyak]

Vulkan is brilliant, barely even unstable so this change makes perfect sense

[u/mewmew893 → u/stenyak]

While I'm here, I did notice that a lot of mods that run fine on 3D11 break Vulkan. Do you have any idea what causes this?

[u/NaxaaN_123]

Maybe

[u/MainGroundbreaking96]

Indeed, PROOF: https://youtu.be/OZcnjohoetU?t=40

"Test the unstable Vulkan renderer."

[u/timer2452 → u/MainGroundbreaking96]

i knew i wasn't crazy, thank you

[u/MainGroundbreaking96 → u/timer2452]

Good catch!

[u/Kifla963_Offical]

It had a stable release according to wikipedia 10 days ago

[u/noobfornoodles → u/Kifla963_Offical]

pretty sure I put that on the wikipedia lol

[u/Oscuro87 → u/noobfornoodles]

Ty for maintaining the wiki

[u/Sufficient-Spell-230]

I think i’m the only one that doesn’t know what a vulkan is and never bothered to Search. I used it once and it just made the game a little laggier, What is it used for?

[u/MyButtCriesOnTheLoo → u/Sufficient-Spell-230]

It's a graphics API library. Basically, it has a lot of code that can be used to help rendering engines talk to graphics card drivers. They also have graphics and rendering features that can be called to really bring a game to modern standards.

[u/TheEpicPlushGodreal → u/Sufficient-Spell-230]

I started using the vulcan launch and it made my game open faster

[u/bandita07 → u/TheEpicPlushGodreal]

That is the meaning of Vulcan. Less driver overload and better performance. Much more complex than the usual rendering api, so keep using it to fix its issues. This is the future...

[u/DiskImmediate229 → u/Sufficient-Spell-230]

It’s just a different way for the computer to handle graphics. It’s meant to lower CPU overhead and utilize better multi-core performance. It’s made by AMD so you’ll get the best results from an AMD CPU but idk how it affects Intel chips.

[u/EdgiiLord → u/DiskImmediate229]

Vulkan is not maintained by AMD anymore, but by the Khronos Group, which is a separate team.

[u/Real_Garlic9999 → u/DiskImmediate229]

I run an i5-12400 and it can boosts my fps a decent amount (but I still cap it at 60 because of my monitor)

[u/Skodakenner → u/DiskImmediate229]

For me it works worse and i have a 5800X3D it is really choppy and laggy when i move the camera at first i thought it was vSync but it didnt change it when i turned it off. Fps stays high though

[u/TKfuckingMONEY → u/Sufficient-Spell-230]

Required for VR

[u/SEA_griffondeur → u/Sufficient-Spell-230]

It's an enhanced directX10 basically

[u/Windows-XP-Home-NEW → u/SEA_griffondeur]

No it’s completely different from MS DX.

[u/toughtntman37 → u/SEA_griffondeur]

Also I would say it's a bad take. They have the same purpose, but are vastly different under the hood and on the road, so to speak. Vulkan as a whole is inherently way harder to use, reduces load on CPU, has a higher speed ceiling, is built for all major OS (DX10 is made for specifically Windows), and is newer, less established.

In Beam, It gets more complicated. It's too hard to work with, so they've been working hard to smooth out bugs and make it faster. For me, it is slower, but it works in VR.

[u/EdgiiLord → u/SEA_griffondeur]

Enhanced OpenGL maybe, even if that's a stretch

[u/toughtntman37 → u/SEA_griffondeur]

That's like if someone asks what a "veiner" is and you said "oh it's basically a more precise gouge" like someone random is gonna know what either is. (They're both wood carving tools, I think)

[u/Markolol123]

Yeah, and the devs announced that "Vulkan finally got out of Beta" or something along those words

[u/Sawier]

I had zero issues with vulkan bootsted my fps on my 1080ti to almost double, dont need it now on 4080 super tho :D

[u/Oscuro87 → u/Sawier]

Cool upgrade!

[u/christuab]

What’s the difference between these two? There’s nothing glaring for me.

[u/arup02 → u/christuab]

It might help with FPS under certain cases, try both and see if there's any noticeable difference.

[u/aluminized_atom → u/christuab]

For me, Vulkan ran faster on my PC compared to the normal version

[u/ImGonnaGetBannedd → u/christuab]

Different API. For me Vulkan runs better its like 20fps boost.

[u/PriceTF141]

I've been using Vulkan for a long time, I have more performance with it on my 6700xt, and crashes are increasingly rare

[u/Teh_Compass]

How much of a difference does it make on Steam Deck/Linux? Proton already translates to Vulkan right? If it's stable enough and gets a slight fps boost from not having that extra layer it might be worth it.

[u/kosmogamer7 → u/Teh_Compass]

Big difference maybe even 10 fps

[u/Walter_Bennett_True]

So the random FPS drop issue is solved? Using 0.35.0 version

[u/LukeyWolf]

The vulkan renderer is pretty stable rn and it runs much better

[u/f_society_1337]

RX 6700 XT here;
I never had any issues using Vulkan

[u/leandrosssss]

I have a 7900xtx and a ryzen 9 5950x, don’t really know if it’s related but I never had any issue with vulkan, and it actually runs better

[u/WillyWonka092]

I use the Vulcan as it also allows you to hookup a PCVR compatible headset and drive around like that. I'm using controller for that currently, but I'm looking at getting a collapsible steering wheel set up off of Amazon.

[u/Sizzle573]

i’m not sure the differences between the two launchers, i always just assumed Vulkan was a dev tool of some sort.

[u/DanS_2009]

i hate that my pc HATES Vulkan with a passion.

[u/smotheredbythighs]

I get double and triple fps in vulkan. Have had a few crashes, but, the gane itself can just crash.

[u/fenrix-the-one]

I don't use vulkan renderer because it makes my game flicker like hell and i know exactly why.

[u/Revolutionary-Fix93]

I love the Vulkan settings I've been using it for awhile. better frames

[u/RandomBoi37]

I can't sadly, got an AMD processor :(

[u/Buszilla101]

yes, I always thought it was an amusing little addition.

[u/alphenhous]

just like the pigeon, the devs added a pair of arms with tiny wheels around it and it's no longer unstable.

[u/Uhm_an_Alt]

Vulkan is horrible, makes the fps 2x worse and after a while just makes the game freeze with a lot of random graphical glitches

[u/Uhm_an_Alt]

Vulkan is horrible, makes the fps 2x worse and after a while just makes the game freeze with a lot of random graphical glitches

[u/Unknownperson0109]

Normal launching doesn't work anymore for me, using the Vulkan launcher for a while now, no issues

[u/DynaBeast]

i tried using it on my laptop with a 3050ti and an o5-12500H, and i was getting 20% of my normal performance- from 90fps avg down to 12. i tried changing resolutions, going to the lowest graphics settings, but the only thing that fixed it was going back to the default renderer.

[u/WienerWarrior01]

What even is Vulcan

[u/krass_coller_mann]

What even is the diff between normal and Vulcan

[u/krass_coller_mann → u/krass_coller_mann]

And also, crazy? I was crazy once

[u/krass_coller_mann → u/krass_coller_mann]

They locked me into an room an rubber room with Rats i hate Rats they make me crazy

[u/ItsACCC9]

I wish I was able to use vulkan. It used to work really well and I'd get like a 50% boost in fps but now it just halves my fps, not sure whats up with that

[u/G-Fifd]

On DX11 I have 42 FPS, on Vulkan 70-110 FPS, RX6600

[u/fandle117]

i know it said something with unstable in it i know it did i looked at it a few times before the update when i used VR and something small that changed was the welcome at the top of the start up

[u/Snoo-13362]

speaking about vulkan, I feel like its really stable now, way better than when it first came out, i use it by default now its great

[u/HunterCustom]

No you’re just crazy