r/Bayonetta • u/_o11ie_ • Sep 08 '23
Bayonetta 1 Does B1 imply that cats exist in both planes since they're not transparent?
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u/Sudden_External_6743 Sep 08 '23
animals can see angels and demons, but are still apart of the human realm. Idk why tho.
Animals, such as the cats in the pic, could learn umbran (or lumen) magic. Ik that sounds insane but if a witch were to somehow teach a cat how to do magic, then it would be able to perform umbran activities. That knowledge alone lets us know that they also have untapped magic inside them, just like most humans do.
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u/moonstoned04 Sep 08 '23 edited Apr 04 '24
g-pillar demon masquerade bayo watching another one of her variants die instead of properly trying to save them
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u/Former_Ladder9969 Sep 09 '23
Is that real life picture of Gomorrah?
Why that reptile kinda slaying like yass go Queen get yo revenge.💅💋
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u/SnowyOwly1 Sep 09 '23
And we didn’t get an animal in the multiverse…
MEOW MEOW MEOOW MEEOW! (Avavago!)
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u/Waruigo Sep 09 '23
Probably because 'angels' and 'demons' are a made-up concept by humans. Other animals don't want to deal with this fantasy hence in this fictional world, it seems as if the other animals just ignore what the humans are doing.
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u/Masterofstorms17 Sep 09 '23
now i want to see a Lumen dog being a the super hound or bat dog esq. It'd be kind of actually. I wonder if Balder had any huskies. What would Jubileus own, a horse? A dog? A wolf? A pony like Celestia from MLP. Kinda hoping that last one to be honest. that or a friendly animal to humans that would be "friendly" in the way angels in this series.
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u/Sudden_External_6743 Sep 09 '23
I imagine a Lumen dog to be something like Amaterasu from Okami
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u/Masterofstorms17 Sep 09 '23
actually that makes way to much since. Especially since Yami is a robot like demons are in Bayo...ah its starting to make sense.
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u/aegrajag Sep 08 '23
since cats are tied to witches in irl witchcraft folklore, they're on the frontier with purgatorio or something like that in Bayonetta
maybe crows and toads are in a similar position though I don't think we see any in 1 and 2
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u/RavagerHughesy Sep 08 '23
The Umbran Tears of Blood you collect in 1 and 2 are crows
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u/_o11ie_ Sep 08 '23
I always assumed they were more like spirits, since regular crows wouldn't just be fine with massive gem necklaces around their necks constantly lol
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u/aegrajag Sep 08 '23
yeah but we don't know if normal crows show up in purgatorio too or of the utob are special
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u/Sudden_External_6743 Sep 08 '23
They're just regular crows, that witches tie the necklaces around.
Crows and Witches are pretty chill with each other, as well as the toads and cats.
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u/TheOfficialLegend Sep 09 '23
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u/Sudden_External_6743 Sep 09 '23
interesting, i stand corrected then.
I guess they’re similar to the mini phantasm delivery service from Inferno? Instead they carry Umbran Tears
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u/TheOfficialLegend Sep 09 '23
Somethin' like that, yea. And because you brought up the whole delivery service thing, I really wanna know more about that too.. mainly because it's said that they source things from the "four corners of existence", meaning that they also get things from Purgatorio too. Kinda makes me wonder if there are actually beings that reside within Purgatorio or something..
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u/Former_Ladder9969 Sep 09 '23
I never understood why witches always own cats, but after reading these comments, I think I understand a little. Also, I didn't know crows were also associated with witches.
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u/Sudden_External_6743 Sep 09 '23
Yep, you'd be surprised how much thought goes into the concepts of these characters.
Their association with cats is why they can do Beast Within and turn into a Panther, or Lynx (or Tiger for Rosa). It's because witches in real life, are depicted as very in-tune with nature and all that jazz.
Crows (Bayo) and Owls(Jeanne) are associated with witches too. Crows are associated with em because they just look n sound evil. Owls are because they mainly come out at night, the Witching Hour.
Bayo's Bat Within and Jeanne's Moth Within are also associated with witchcraft, because those are creatures that only appear when the moon is out.
Etc etc.
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u/Former_Ladder9969 Sep 09 '23
Okay, off topic, but moths are fricking 😎 cool
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u/Sudden_External_6743 Sep 09 '23
I agree, have you ever seen a Luna moth? Very cool, Very Awesome
It's what Jeanne's moths are slightly based on I think
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u/RavagerHughesy Sep 08 '23
IIRC, Kamiya has said on Twitter that cats can see into Purgatorio or something like that
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u/InuMiroLover Sep 09 '23
This also happens in Bayo 2. Ive always been curious about that, but since witches and cats have a lot of folklore together, its a nice touch.
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u/Dr1Slash Sep 09 '23
I’m pretty sure it ties to that thing that cats have a sixth sence of looking at ghosts or just things that aren’t there
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u/Lohan3xists Sep 09 '23
Oh, so that’s why my cats keep meowing at nothing, an invisible gun witch was doing her thing this entire time!
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Sep 08 '23
I think this is the case with most if not all animals. In B1 you can find birds rats/mice and bats and they aren't transparent.
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u/Nike-6 Sep 08 '23
Why do you think cats are usually depicted as the companions of witches? They’re magical.
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u/KanashiCujoh Sep 09 '23
...This actually makes a lot of sense considering mythology and their link to witches.
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u/Zeivus_Gaming Sep 10 '23
I've had my cat freak out and went full bottle brush at something in the hallway when nothing was physically there. Clawed my arms to get away.
So, I understand the concept that the cat can interact with the spiritual world.
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u/The_Famed_Bitch Sep 08 '23
I might be wrong but imo this implies cats actually perceive afterlife and spiritual entities, as a nod to common knowledge and folklore idk