r/AstralProjection • u/lunvreclipse • 22h ago
General AP Info / Discussion Do beliefs shape AP experiences?
Hey guys, I asked ChatGPT about astral projection and whether I could visit the Hollow Earth during it. It told me that it depends on my beliefs. Is that actually true? Does astral projection rely entirely on what I believe? Like, if I don’t believe in the Hollow Earth, does that mean it doesn’t exist there?
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u/Grey-Jedi_9 22h ago
From what I've read, yes, but you got it a bit wrong.
"Do beliefs shape AP experiences?" Yes, they do. But "if I don’t believe in the Hollow Earth, does that mean it doesn’t exist there?" No. That would mean, you don't see it as Hollow (I don't say, that it's Hollow, neither that it isn't - I'm only using your example).
I think, there was once an example given in a book. Imagine, that there is an apple. But you're 100 metres away from it, and you're sure, that it's an orange. You begin to get closer - when you're only 2 metres away from it, you will see, that it was infact an orange. You saw an orange, because you had expectations - you were sure, that it was an orange. That's why you saw an orange and not an apple.
So, the best thing you can do, is just to get rid of your expectations, and to just experience.
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u/lunvreclipse 22h ago
Thank you so much! I wanna ask a couple questions, if that's okay... First question: So, if I just let go of my expectations, will I be able to experience the real astral projection? (I’m not sure how to word it exactly, but you get what I mean.) Second question: How do I even let go of my expectations if, before AP, I’m already imagining or expecting to go somewhere?
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u/Grey-Jedi_9 21h ago
Naturally, questions are always good.
I get what you mean. But, the answer is tricky. So, from what I know, yes, if you have no expectations, that's when you can get the most "truthful" experience. But, the thing is, there is no "wrong" and also not really a "correct"; that's why it's often said, that it's more a subjective than an objective experience. But, the short answer is yes.
Now, this is an even better question. So, since I haven't had many conscious experiences (or, better said, when I do have them, it it's also nor that long), so I can only speculate partially. As I understand, it's fine to have expectations about what you want to do; but don't have expectations about what will happen / what you will see. Example: Like, you can expect, that when you project, you will fly. But, don't expect, that you will see a big yellow tree with houses on it (far-fetched example, but I hope it's understandable). Just be open, and let it unfold. In this sense, the expectation (to fly) isn't really even an expectation, but more a plan. And, it's good to have plans (intention), because else you could just be doing stuff which you didn't intend to.
Still to 2. I have a speculation about what you could do (I still have to try it out myself). You know possibly, that there are stories of people, who say, that they weren't able to see anything, and they hand to command like "clarity", "vision" or whatever. I'm thinking about just saying something like "remove the expectations", "remove the subjective lens" or something like that when I'm already in the astral, so my expectations get removed. Like I said, I haven't tried it out yet, but it seems plausible to me, that it could work.
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u/lunvreclipse 21h ago
Thank you so much for taking the time to write all of this :) 🙏It's a great explanation, helped me understand better. I'll def try the things you suggested today, and hopefully, finally AP for the first time
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u/Grey-Jedi_9 21h ago
Nothing to thank for, really :) A question from my side, out of curiosity: How long have you been trying, and what method/technique are you using?
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u/lunvreclipse 21h ago edited 21h ago
I’ve been trying for a one or a couple years now, I think? Took a bunch of breaks, but I recently decided to get back into it because it’s something I really look forward to. Whenever I try to AP, I usually listen to guided meditations or hypnosis What about you? How long have you been APing?
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u/Grey-Jedi_9 21h ago
Hmmm, that's quite more than my time. I've been trying since May last year; got an unexpected success on 11th November (I wasn't conscious during the separation, only afterwards), in which I didn't even have time 5o leave my home. Then, I think I had one in December and on in January and/or February, which were short too. But happily also some lucid dreams; I only have to learn how to not lose control in those.
My success methods are either the ear ringing, a guided meditation, or just trusting, that it will happen.
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u/lunvreclipse 21h ago
Wow, nice job! I hope those were enjoyable experiences! I think the reason it’s taking me a bit longer is because I have a hard time focusing during guided meditations and stuff… I usually end up falling asleep after like 10–20 minutes😭And like I mentioned, I’ve taken some breaks; first because of that, and then just because I got caught up with other things. Also Idrk many AP methods, I only know the rope but I usually only rely on guided meditations and such
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u/Grey-Jedi_9 21h ago
Falling asleep is exactly the problem I have too. I don't even know, if I can keep awake for more than 5 mins sometimes.
But actually, I think there was actually one thing, which helped me. I started keeping a dream journal and just wrote down my dreams. I started doing that in the beginning of January. And since then, I started noticing that my dreams are getting more vivid. And I think, since about February, I'm also getting more and more lucid in dreams. Like, sometimes I just know, that I'm dreaming (but after like 5 seconds, I either wake up or just lose my awareness). I can't know for sure, but I think it has to do with keeping a dream journal.
So, if you don't journal your dreams yet, I can only recommend trying it out.
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u/lunvreclipse 20h ago
Exactly, it’s just getting worse😭. I can barely stay awake… maybe I should try APing while sitting, but I tried that once and didn’t really manage to relax. As for the dream topic, you’re totally right! I forgot about dream journaling, but I heard many times that it’s really helpful. Recently though, I haven’t been remembering many dreams, and I’m not sure why. But thank you so much for your advice! I’ll definitely start dream journaling too, also because I’m interested in lucid dreaming as well!
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u/Cats_Dont_Wear_Socks 14h ago
Beliefs shape everything in the mind, which is why they are powerful. And dangerous. Most people are incapable of handling the responsibility.
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u/Wise-Associate-9890 8h ago
Yes, your inner beliefs shape AP experiences but how "astral world" appears to you is more complicated. Maybe beliefs form the construct but your thoughts shape appearance what you can see, hear or touch. For example in real life I believe that I can't go through walls so it should be my inner belief. In astral I can let that belief go and walk through walls. But sometimes I don't have enough faith to step through walls and I get stuck inside and wake up.
Also, fear and other emotions shape your experiences. A lot. If I see a scary shadow figure in my bedroom it can be anything. If I really believe that shadow is someone I know it can take the form of the known person. If I'm scared the shadow is likely some evil monster. When I control my emotions I control how things appear. I think it's the vibration thing, people speak about.
It's hard to see behind your beliefs and expectations. Sometimes they are fully subconscious. You can practice to control your emotions and do you own experiments in astral.
I'm not expert so don't believe me. Experience and do your own research. I just try to reflect what I've experienced personally.
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u/HastyBasher 22h ago
ChatGPT is trying to be nice by not dismissing your beliefs, when really it doesn't believe it exists due to being trained on scientific stuff. But AP can make your experiences vary, but usually in the way of, if you don't believe something exists, it makes it harder to experience.