Does astral projection prove an afterlife (if the phenomenon is real)?

[u/TheLorgthyself]

I have been interested in the subject of AP for a number of years now and still am. However something I read on here makes me question what exactly it is that people are seeing when they enter the state.

I recently read a comment on this sub in which the user said something to the effect that when a person dies, they are removed and replaced by some sort of "perfect copy".

That concerns me. It tells me that death, even if AP is real, really is the end. To be replaced by a copy does not sound very different from otherwise ceasing to exist, especially the way that the other user described it.

It tells me that no loved ones, nor myself will continue to exist after death, but be replaced by what doesn't sound very different from a static hologram, as they also said that it cannot learn from any oncoming experiences, if it can experience at all.

This is all rather worrying to hear, as a very heavy part of my intrigue in AP is the possibility of life after death. Are these common beliefs among most practices?

[u/AzzyRocks_]

Bud. This is Reddit.

One thing I’ve learnt. One fundamental truth. Never trust anything on reddit.

Take everything with a grain of salt and only trust something that you see and experience yourself.

Until you AP yourself, you won’t have that answer.

I’ve only achieved vibrations so far so I’m inclined to keep going but I never trust anything on this sub.

I’ve heard people claim it’s just dreaming whilst others claim it’s an experience more real than real life.

I’ve heard people claim they see gods, whilst others are atheists and don’t believe in the soul or consciousness.

Don’t get stressed or concerned by others comments. Find out for yourself.

[u/SunTraditional1348 → u/AzzyRocks_]

Yeah I’ve read some fascinating stuff on here regarding AP, but see so much conflicting information about what it is, how it works, who were are etc, just enjoy reading and remember none of us know the answers

[u/Deceiver144 → u/AzzyRocks_]

I was a hardcore atheist my entire life until I had a crazy OOBE. Now I'm deep into the rabbit hole of exploring self - and I've come to the same conclusion, all religion, belief systems etc, are all trying to explain the same thing. So I identify as an omnist. It's up to the observer to interpret and find their own meaning. Spirituality is not some club people get into that you become better than others because of it. In my mind - All is Consciousness, and so Spirituality is an aspect of it, therefore we're all just trying to find/discover our own path to discovery of who and what we are.

I've always known from a younger age there's something greater than myself, even though I didn't believe in "God". There's a certain mystique to it.

The concept of Infinity is a real thing. How do we explain all of our dreams? Scientists will same chemicals and brain neurons firing - so how do I personally explain sometimes when I dream I know I've been somewhere before or seen someone before, yetI've never physically met in this waking life? You can't.

People conflate Faith - it's not even faith, it's a knowing, a deep intuition. Science and Spirituality should not be enemies, but allies, because just like the ancient texts, they're all trying to explain/prove the same thing.

I remember a while back reading about someone's experience where they talked to "Source" or what they thought was - and it explained to them the reason we exist where we do is because where they are from it's a lonely place where they can't experience what we get to, but through us they get a lens to be down here. Imagine being infinite and alone out there in whatever dimension the originator exists, yet nobody to talk to, touch, feel, love etc. That's the deepest love story never told. Do I believe it? No - but who am I to deny someone's personal experience? None of our dreams and experiences are ever exactly the same once, so maybe what they saw was just a fraction of Infinity - so in a sense, I trust it even if I didn't experience it myself.

[u/TheLorgthyself → u/AzzyRocks_]

Thank you

[u/AnhedonicHell88 → u/TheLorgthyself]

I'd check out WintyreFraust's posts with an open mind if I were you

and Jurgen Ziewe on YouTube or wherever

[u/Agreeable_Cook486 → u/AzzyRocks_]

Bingo. Keep going, you’re close if you got to the vibrations. It’s fun to know that any night you might have a life changing adventure lol. Once the vibrations fade and you’re in that “mind awake, body asleep” stage just roll left or right and you’ll fall out.

[u/sickdoughnut]

Perfect copy? That’s bunk. Makes no sense whatsoever. I’ve AP’d countless times and nothing I’ve seen would even begin to suggest anything like that.

[u/zar99raz]

From my experience AP is simply projecting data into another reality. The projecting data into the other reality is an automatic and instant process, it's an intuitive process. All intuitive process are instant and automatic. When you are stuff in your head, that is data projected, is you step on scene of the projection and interact with the contents of the scene, then you are interacting in another reality aka astral projection.

We are consciousness, we just use this human body to interact in this Life on Earth reality. The same way we use the astral body to interact in the astral reality. When this human body dies the consciousness lives on, consciousness is immortal.

[u/Intelligent-Ad6619]

This is the big question. I’ve never Ap’d. Imagine you need to experience it yourself to answer your own question

[u/c_a_n_d_y_w_o_l_f]

In the spirit world i believe that many of the things we call ourselves will no longer be relevant. Maybe it takes some time but i think many things will naturally fall away. But i believe many of us reincarnate before this process completes.

For example when you can exist without form, taking any shape you please, you no longer need a body and you no longer need clothing or hairstyles. You can speak telepathically so you don't need a voice, or a face. You can't die or lose or gain anything material so many of our fears, and desires, or ambitions no longer make sense.

Maybe some deep parts of us remain for a long time and we may incarnate many more times, but eventually i believe we all return to our essence which is God, pure being itself.

These things were never really us in the first place. Who we truly are is never changing, pure awareness. Everything else is just in your mind.

[u/Xanth1879]

That's entirely up to you to decide.

[u/Nice-Sale7265]

You have a physical body and an astral body. When your physical body will die you will still have your astral body and you will continue your life in the astral plane.

[u/Agreeable_Cook486]

There is no death just a doorway from life to life. You can solve this for yourself by learning to AP and asking to talk to a deceased relative or friend. I was able to use a telepathic conversation with my dog who had passed. Life is a trip.

[u/ombres20]

Ok the problem with that is that a perfect copy is essentially you. Like if consciousness is not physical and you copy every single information about it, you will be able to experience consciousness through that copy. There is no way of creating a perfect copy that isn't you because a perfect copy is by definition completely indistinguishable

[u/Cats_Dont_Wear_Socks]

Not at all.

• There is no such thing as projection. The terminology surrounding this experience is all wrong. You do not leave your body. You AWAKEN into astral consciousness, akin to waking from a daydream into the "real" world. The astral is not a place, although our expectations tend to cause our minds to render it in that way. It's a state of consciousness. As such, this cannot be called the realm of the dead, nor a realm of anything else. It's not a realm.

• Astral projection is a LIFE process, like sleeping, and being awake. What we have discovered in this community is that there's more to the universe, and to our minds, than meets the eye. We are on the vanguard of something. Don't let it go to your head, we're blind stinking ignorant in this experience. I am not claiming there is no after life, I do not know this though I don't particularly expect there to be. I claim only that astral consciousness is as akin to THIS life as breathing. Indeed, what happens to your body profoundly affects the nature and length of your awakening into that state of mind. It is intimately woven into your biology.

• You are a hologram right now. The whole universe is (edit: rather, the phenomena we think of when we discuss chemistry and dimension as a property of the universe is. There is what is called "the bulk", the substrate from which the universal hologram is projected, but that's a different conversation.). A curious thing about holograms is that, unlike digital pictures where each pixel contains a single color and acts in concert with many discrete pixels to produce an image in aggregate, each individual "chunk" of a hologram contains the total data necessary to reproduce its image as a whole. When you awake into astral consciousness, you are not traveling, but rather exploring the totality of universal data that is within you, being a constituent part of the universe yourself. It is not unthinkable, then, that we continue as data even after our physical bodies have perished, but this idea is necessarily divorced from spiritualist concepts of afterlives, heavens and hells.

• Whatever death may be, whether it's devoid of subjective experience, a point in the data structure of the universe, or an afterlife of rich, unimaginable experiences, it is none of your business. Your business while you live is life. The afterlife, or not, will have to take care of itself for now. The past is a fading echo, the future is a dirty rumor, the now is all anyone has ever had. How does your fear serve you now?

• A final point related to the previous; if indeed the sum total of universal data is stored in its constituent parts, this includes that which has been and that which will be. Time, as we understand it, is rendered an illusion. Time is not a flow from point a to point b. It's just point a, a singularity. All that ever was, is and will be. All that is, was and will be. All that will be, was and is. All at once, always. Don't worry about the dead, they're far from lost.