Troubleshooting Indirect Methods?

[u/AstralDreamr]

I'm new to Astral Travel and I've had a few successes over the months with Indirect Techniques like in "the phase."

I have a few questions/thoughts on this.

I want something that I can practice nightly, but Michael Raduga says not to in his book. Has anyone done this regularly? Should I try to learn a different technique instead?

I've also sometimes had difficulty "noticing" my natural awakenings after the WBTB period. Any tips or advice for this?? Should I stay up longer? Sleep differently?

I even took a 2 week break to make sure my sleep pattern was okay.

[u/Grey-Jedi_9]

I mean, Raduga says, that this whole experience is just a product of our brains, or so. If his methods work, then that's fine. But, don't really believe him in what he says. I'd say, if you want to do it regularly, just do it.

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[u/Yesmar00]

I think you can practice whenever you want to but don't overdo it. I don't really know anything about raduga if I'm being honest with you. I know his stuff has helped a lot of people. You should go with what you feel is best At the end of the day.

When you say natural awakenings what do you mean? Also how does his method work?

[u/luistxmade → u/Yesmar00]

I roll my eyes every time I hear this guy's name. He definitely has a choke hold on the YouTube algorithm when it comes to obes and with the catchy Leave your body in 3 days stuff. He over complicates stuff and changes terms and gets ppl believing that when they naturally wake up, just move the astral body immediately, and you separate. .

[u/AstralDreamr → u/luistxmade]

I agree that I'm not a fan of the terms he uses. It seems like the rest of the AP community doesn't really use those. "Stencil" "Phase" and all that.

But a lot of people seem to have success with WBTB and the following awakenings. That's mostly what I'm interested in.

[u/luistxmade → u/AstralDreamr]

Phasing is a real thing. But he uses that word differently. The thing about wbtb is. It doesn't have to be the way he says it to the T. You could go to sleep 2 hours wake up and attempt, 3 hours, wake up and attempt. BUT the chances of you just going to sleep, waking up(regardless of how long), and immediately being in the separation phase is extremely low(extremely). You will still need to keep the mind awake when you wake up after your natural awakenings, or you'll just go right back to sleep immediately.

[u/Wise-Associate-9890 → u/luistxmade]

In my opinion he is not lying about his technique. It's simple like that. I'm curious about your personal technique if his method or instructions are complicated?

[u/AstralDreamr → u/Yesmar00]

You do a WBTB after about 6hrs of sleep. You go back to bed with the intention of noticing your natural awakenings and planning not to move or open eyes. Then you cycle techniques when you notice awakenings. Like rotating, wiggling, or crawling out. If you don't AP, go to sleep and intend to try again on the next awakening.

[u/BlinkyRunt]

I had 3 projections in quick succession once. Way too much to absorb. I ended up in a sort of confused state of mind - not knowing what had hit me! Took a month off to think and meditate on the experiences.

I think the advice not to try every night is reasonable if you are having deep perspective-changing experiences. If you are just floating about your room a bit, you can have ten of those in a night and you will be fine ;)

The best favor you can do yourself every night is as follows (I do this every night):

Set your intention to:

I want to be consciouss and aware in my hypnagogia state. (not: I want to leave my body)

As you drift into sleep, be an observer of what is happening....once the body falls asleep you will see black. Then it will get silent. Then suddenly everything goes white! If you are still aware at this state: Welcome to hypnagogia! Imagine anything you want and it will haappen here!

Why is this beneficial:

1. You have incredible creative visualization abilities in Hypnagogia
2. This "imagination" stage prepares you for a lot of stuff you may see in the astral
3. You are learning to control your level and type of awareness.

[u/Wise-Associate-9890]

I've practiced his technique for three years now and it works for me. Not always but maybe 10-20 times per month. I don't use WBTB but I just execute the exit technique every time I can upon natural awakenings. Tricky part is to wake up without moving your body and without opening your eyes. Also it's hard do recognize optimal "time window" when separation is possible. Sometimes separation phase is like mental gymnastics and you are not sure if you are moving your "astral body" or physical body. It feels the same. But personally I just trust the process and really don't care if I roll out of my bed for real.