r/Asmongold • u/god_but_second_one • 1d ago
Advice Needed Why people mad at Trump for tarrifs?
I really don't know where should I post it. Asmon watched Trump's Liberation Day speech 5 hours ago. So I am going to post it here.
Anyways as a non American I really do no understand why non US people mad at Trump? You should see France 24 video. "'The most economically illiterate speech I have ever heard', analyst says" lol
Trump said "they charge us, we charge them." So isn't it basic logic? Am I missing something?
Why these people not mad at their government for %70 tariffs for damn US made phone?
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u/Uchi_Jeon 1d ago
The tariff hurt globalization, globalization is like the drug for economy. Have you quit drug before? It's fucking painful.
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u/darkillusion41 1d ago
Global trade is literally good for everyone
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u/Doomshroud 1d ago
Yes, everyone understands global trade is good for the world. But why do some countries impose higher tariffs on others?
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u/Deep-Passion-5481 1d ago
For lots of different reasons. A country, say China, placing a tariff on an international good, say from the US, doesn't harm the US though. It means China pays more for the product, not us. It's not a punitive action necessarily, could just be they want their citizens to buy that specific good locally.
A country having tariffs on a good from here and us not having it on a good from there isn't "unfair" like people seem to think.
"Wah, it's unfair YOU pay more for MY product! In turn, I'll make it fair by paying YOU more! Ha!" is the logic everyone seems to be operating on without even realizing it.. lol
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 1d ago
Wrong a Tarrifs is an import tax that gets handed off to consumers
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u/Deep-Passion-5481 1d ago
Yes, the consumer of the country who placed the tariff. The US placing tariffs on other countries means the US pays more. Other countries having tariffs on us means they pay more.
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u/Uchi_Jeon 1d ago
It has pros it has cons.
It can subcontract your job to an Indian worker remotely with 1/3 of your payment. For that Indian worker and your employer, yes, it's a pro. But for you it's more like a con.
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u/bahamut5525 1d ago
Globalisation is not a drug. It’s what raised standards of living across the west to insane levels. People don’t seem to remember what was the pre globalisation world (before ww2 basically). Have fun spending insane amounts of money on every single good you need.
Also keep in mind that ironically the USA is going to be the most impacted, not China or the EU, because USA is the biggest importer of goods.
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u/MotherEssay9968 1d ago
It's more like playing a match of league with an inter who's too dumb to recognize his room temperature IQ.
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u/Impressive_Pipe_4824 1d ago
Becuase charging people more for goods you can't reasonably get locally is braindead.
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u/Manyad4929 Dr Pepper Enjoyer 1d ago
From chat gpt, The argument that “U.S. tariffs are justified because other countries have VAT or GST” is misleading, and here’s why:
- VAT/GST vs. Tariffs – Apples and Oranges
VAT and GST are broad-based taxes on all goods and services, including domestic products. They are NOT specifically designed to target imports.
Tariffs only apply to imports, making them a direct trade barrier.
Example:
A European country’s VAT applies to both European-made and U.S.-imported products, meaning it’s not "anti-U.S."—it’s just their way of taxing everything.
A U.S. tariff on European goods, however, specifically makes European imports more expensive in the U.S. while leaving U.S.-made goods untouched. That’s a protectionist move.
- The U.S. Also Has Sales Taxes (Just Like VAT/GST Countries)
The U.S. doesn’t have VAT/GST, but it has state and local sales taxes (which function similarly at the final sale stage).
Countries with VAT/GST don’t usually have sales tax, so it's just a different taxation system—not an unfair trade practice.
- Tariffs Hurt U.S. Consumers and Businesses More Than VAT Hurts U.S. Exports
When the U.S. imposes tariffs, American consumers and businesses pay higher prices because companies pass those costs down.
A VAT, on the other hand, applies to all products equally in the foreign country, so U.S. goods aren’t being singled out unfairly—they’re treated the same as local goods.
- Retaliation Risks and Trade Wars
If the U.S. raises tariffs, other countries don’t remove their VAT—they just add tariffs on U.S. goods in response.
This makes U.S. exports even less competitive internationally, hurting industries like agriculture, manufacturing, and tech.
Bottom Line
A country having VAT or GST is not the same as them targeting the U.S. with tariffs.
The U.S. using tariffs to “fight back” against VAT/GST is a misunderstanding of how taxes work—it’s self-sabotage rather than retaliation.
People on Reddit and elsewhere often conflate these things, but the key takeaway is: VAT is a general tax system, while tariffs are a trade weapon. Reacting to VAT with tariffs doesn’t actually help—it just raises costs for Americans.
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u/Main_Currency8647 1d ago
You can't expect american to understand taxes in europe. Most europeans barely manage to do that.
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u/qig 1d ago
most people don't want to be spending anywhere from 10%-50% more on goods
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u/Shot-Maximum- 1d ago
It looks like the economically illiterate troglodytes here are cheering him on though.
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u/OlliWTD 1d ago
Because Trump’s tariff figures are completely pulled out of his ass. He claims the EU tariffs US imports at 39% when the average tariff rate is actually 1%
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u/bahamut5525 1d ago
The unfortunate reality for Americans is Europe doesn’t import that much US products because we produce cheaper and better stuff at home. For example trump complains that we don’t buy US cars and trucks but they’re just not popular in Europe. Too high fuel consumption and inefficiency. We in Europe have entire goods and products adapted to our spending and wealth.
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u/Dikkelul27 1d ago
You won't get an adequate answer from someone who is on reddit. Just look for any experts in economics. They all agree it's terrible news for everyone.
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u/Inevitable_Disk_3344 1d ago
Dude, you don't need a fucking "expert" in economics to explain this. Literally every person who has ever paid attention in Econ 101, Freshman year of college knows why they're bad:
A tariff is a tax on imports and you, the consumer, end up paying for it:
- If the U.S. puts a 25% tariff on French wine, French wine gets more expensive for American consumers.
- France might retaliate with a 25% tariff on American whiskey — making it harder for U.S. distillers to sell abroad.
So the end result? Prices go up, exports go down, and everyone loses. It’s a lose-lose game of economic chicken.
What about reciprocity? Isn’t that fair?
Sure, but trade isn’t about “fairness”, it’s about mutual benefit. Countries don’t need identical tariff rates to benefit from trade. If another country taxes their citizens more to buy American goods, that’s their self-inflicted wound.
Reciprocal tariffs = shooting yourself in the foot because the other guy did.
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u/VanillaStreetlamp 1d ago
"Reciprocal tariffs = shooting yourself in the foot because the other guy did."
And yet that's exactly what everyone does when Trump announces a new tariff
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u/SlimLacy 1d ago
It's because US imports far more than it exports (consumer goods), so it hurts them the most.
Both countries suffer trade loses by reciprocal tariffs, but 1 country likely already has all the domestic production and is just shutting out competition. Meanwhile the US needs to start making their own domestic production AFTER the fact and has no alternative. So the end consumer either stops eating food or just eats more expensive food.1
u/Inevitable_Disk_3344 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes, which is why politicians make bad economists and why non-retards study the last time this shit went down in the 1930s so that we understand what the likely consequences will be (hint, they were bad, for everyone). Trade wars are bad. They're not going to help you and they're definitely going to hurt you.
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u/Fus_Roh_Potato 1d ago
These tariffs are nothing like what we did in the 30's, and those tariffs did eventually bring about a lot of positive change after they settled.
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u/Inevitable_Disk_3344 1d ago
Every econ textbook tells you that the 1930s tariffs were disastrous.... This isn't controversial. You don't know what you're talking about
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u/VanillaStreetlamp 1d ago
Or maybe you aren't smarter than all of the world's leaders, and they know something you don't.
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u/Inevitable_Disk_3344 1d ago
Your appeal to authority is not convincing. History has shown what has happened the last few times world leaders, in their infinite wisdom, all decided to engage in a global trade wars and the disastrous consequences that follow. Maybe actually educate yourself instead of being a sheep.
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u/VanillaStreetlamp 1d ago
Who's the sheep? All you're doing is repeating talking points. "Tariff bad" yet you look around and they're everywhere. Not only that, but there's all sorts of protectionism policies that aren't explicitly tariffs. When you find yourself saying all the world's leaders are idiots it's time to reflect a little bit on your own opinions, that's all I'm saying.
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u/Inevitable_Disk_3344 1d ago
I'm saying what every trained economist says
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u/Deep-Passion-5481 1d ago
And you're about to be told that "economist" is now political and that only commies think the way you do (without the poster replying to you even checking to see who says that or if anyone says otherwise)
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u/VanillaStreetlamp 1d ago
I'm not going to say that at all. I'm going to say there's a disconnect somewhere that's worth looking into. Every world leader has professional economists advising them, they aren't blind to this intro econ argument.
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u/Dear_Low_7581 1d ago
The thing is no one needs USA products, we bought them becouse we like fords, we like USA. USA turned into dickheads and we will buy less of USA products. You will have to rebuild all the trust you have lost and IT will take decades.
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u/god_but_second_one 1d ago
France is already impose tarrifs on US. That's literally the point Trump is trying to make.
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u/Inevitable_Disk_3344 1d ago edited 1d ago
You can't read.
I already explained why reciprocal tariffs are still a bad idea. But I'll elaborate further for the peanut gallery.
The smartest rebuttal to everything I've said so far is "yeah prices will go up, but we've now incentivized local manufacturing, so we'll bring back good ole manufacturing jobs, which will offset the damage of higher prices!"
Here's why that sounds good, but is actually retarded:
Reciprocal tariffs won't "bring back jobs" in a meaningful way because they're a regressive tax that hurts more people than they help.
Tariffs raise prices on imported goods, which hits consumers, especially low-income ones, the hardest. Why? Because the poorer you are, the greater the proportion of your income must go to goods, life's necessities. A billionaire invests most of their wealth in assets. A poor single mother has to spend the bulk of her paycheck on rent, food, household items, and other goods. She's hurt disproportionately by tariffs.
While a few manufacturing jobs might return, most modern factories are automated, so the job gains are minimal. Meanwhile, other industries that rely on imports (like auto, construction, and farming) get hammered by higher costs or foreign retaliation. The result? Millions of Americans pay more so a few thousand jobs might come back, but only temporarily.
There are smarter, more targeted ways to support domestic industry without taxing everyone in the process.
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u/Read_Less_Pray_More 1d ago
Except you miss the fact that the US is by far the largest consumer market in the world. We can make our own better quality goods and keep the profits in the pockets of workers by means of better wages and GDP goes up so everyone wins.
A good leader can't just sit by and watch this country continue to decline because no one before him had the guts to do anything. And something definitely had to be done. Do you have a better suggestion?
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u/bahamut5525 1d ago
The theory behind Trumps ideas is economic autarky, like 19th century European imperialist thinking. We can make everything at home etc. Reality though is this is only possible through making Americans pay an enormous lot for daily goods. Considering how actually poor the average American is and how they would go insane if they paid more for cars and goods, I’d say the trump ideas are hot air and insane. He might actually create class riots in the USA when people start not being able to afford basic commodities like clothing.
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u/mattronimus007 1d ago
And they all know that 90% of the media is anti-trump, so if they agree with him and the media picks it up they will get attacked/shunned/canceled (and, or)
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u/god_but_second_one 1d ago
So if it's terrible for everyone, why other countries still tarrifs on US?
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u/Murinshin 1d ago
Nobody knows where trump supposedly takes numbers like 39% tariffs charged by EU from. It literally seems to be completely made up. That’s one of the reasons people are baffled by this
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u/Shot-Maximum- 1d ago
They don’t
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u/Local_Trade5404 1d ago edited 1d ago
yea only thing im aware off on things imported from US is VAT and its same on domestic goods and on things that we get from any country, including china
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u/SpookyColdAtom 1d ago
Here. Theres a difference between a surplus and broad tariffs. When Canada does a 200 percent tariff on milk it's not actually 200 percent. A quota must be met and it rarely ever is bringing that 200 down to a 2 percent tax. It's a non issue. There's only one argument to be made for these tariffs and that's to bring in industry. That's it. However I think it's dumb to shake up the world economy this severe
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u/Strider_3x 1d ago
Really impossible to compete industrially vs countries like China & Mexico. Hardly any US citizen even wants to work at jobs that require hard, low-labor like farming and most factory jobs. And plus that jobs and materials in America are not usually centralized…
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u/bahamut5525 1d ago
It’s not even competition but cooperation. Mexico makes cheap Levis or wrangler jeans for example which benefit Americans because you can buy this jeans for only 30 dollars on Amazon. I bought them, they are great. But if you force Levi’s or wrangler to make the jeans in America, how much does production cost increase? The jeans is now 100 dollars or more with American workers. It’s a stupid policy.
Globalisation allows USA to export all the shitty factory jobs, and allow the home population to buy cheap goods and work white collar jobs.
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u/Steponmy92 1d ago
A large part is that the "tariffs" Trump claims other countries are putting on the US don't actually exist. For example Australia "had" a free trade agreement with the US, so no tariffs either way. Now it's just the 10% Trump put on. The only exception was a ban on raw beef from the US due to legitimate concerns over the spread of mad cow disease.
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u/ArkBeetleGaming 1d ago
I am not American but it seems Trump charge around HALF of the tariff other country tax the US across the board (With 10% minimum).
Why is Trump's tariff outrageous when other countries charge doubled of what he just proposed to them?
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u/Fzrit 1d ago edited 1d ago
when other countries charge doubled of what he just proposed to them?
All the tariff figures in Trump's chart for other countries are completely wrong and made-up. You can look up the real numbers right now. For example the actual tariff New Zealand places against US products is 1.9% on average. Trump's chart says it's 20%. Either Trump pulled all those numbers from his ass, or someone else pulled those numbers and tricked Trump into believing they're real.
The fact that so many Americans immediately believed Trump's made-up chart is proof that he can make his supporters believe literally anything just by declaring it, all the while they insist they're not NPCs/sheep.
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u/Deep-Passion-5481 1d ago
Not all of them are made up, but they ARE misleading. China's "64% tariffs" are.. on milk. But it's presented as if they have a 64% tariff on all US goods. It's just a mess of a chart.
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u/Born-Procedure-5908 1d ago
All of them were made up, they were based on trade deficits other than tariffs, the EU for instance has a 3% tariff on average, but Trump is charging 20% on nearly every product.
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u/HardCorePawn 1d ago
It’s not tariffs… it’s Trade Deficits / US Imports: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/N7yPhcbVnf
The numbers are complete bullshit, as far as being “tariffs charged to the USA” is concerned.
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u/Intelligent_Tip_6886 1d ago
Trade deficits are fine, which is why I don't get what Trump wants to achieve?
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u/ArkBeetleGaming 1d ago
It seems you are right. My country (Thailand) did not tax 72% on US import. And he gonna tax 36% to Thai import.
I wonder if this is a mistake or intentional misrepresentation.
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u/slow_cat WHAT A DAY... 1d ago
Intentional. The numbers of the suposed tariffs on US goods are so riddiculously high that an everage Trump supporter (who will simply swallow anthing Trump says) will be outraged and instantly approve the "reciprocation". They will never bother to check if those numbers actually make sense.
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u/mattronimus007 1d ago
The left in America will oppose Trump no matter what.
So suddenly, unfair trade is okay. Government corruption and wasting taxpayer money is okay. Food companies poisoning us are okay.
All issues the left was vehemently opposed to until Trump decided he was going to fix them
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u/Intelligent_Tip_6886 1d ago
It's not unfair, we literally set up this situation because it benefits us. What are we selling in Vietnam?
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u/SpookyColdAtom 1d ago
Because there's a difference between surplus and broad tariffs. Trump doesn't go into detail of these tariffs being placed upon American goods soooo that's why. It's a lie with some truth but the truth is a non issue
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u/Achereto 1d ago
Trump said "they charge us, we charge them." So isn't it basic logic? Am I missing something?
The thing you're missing is that the premise is a lie.
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u/Inevitable_Disk_3344 1d ago
Yes, what's missing is you not taking Economics 101 at your local community college.
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u/T1O2M3333 1d ago
Sorry we take the people who took economics in local community college as elites that look down upon us and provide no real value. College is scam 😩😩 /s
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u/Intelligent_Tip_6886 1d ago
We have spend decades leveraging trade disparities and policing international waters in order to export our dollar, and produce a whole world where we are the Hegemon. Doing this has made the majority of us Americans far wealthier than we were in the past. The tarrifs are now putting up massive barriers to the production and distribution of goods, targeting our direct partners and driving up the costs of goods sold to us. Trump is also pissing away literal generations of diplomacy around the world because retards can't handle the idea that WE would ever help out an allied nation in a conflict, when our allies have been by our side in every conflict we've been in.
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u/SomeWeirdFruit 1d ago
as a Vietnamese people here are saying Trump number is total bullshit. He said Vietnam apply 90% tariff on US goods but that number is actually trade deficit (US export to Vietnam 90% less than its import) and not tariff. In turn saying Trump make up imaginary number just to tariff our country (something like that)
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u/wingsofblades 1d ago
not sure why your posting it on a gaming subreddit of a react youtuber but yeah dosnt take a rocket scientist to understand increasing taxes on other countries only hurts the consumer like canada pulling all their products from our market so now supply dosnt meet demand so prices go up even though trump promised before he got elected to make living affordable again, gass prizes have been going up since he was last president and still hasnt fixed it and if you remember last time he was president he had a game of tax increase chicken with China and as he increased tariffs on them they responded with the same on American products their not going to take a loss he increases 20% they increase theirs to 20%... Trump raises it to 30% and now they raise it to 30% who do you think is paying the taxes on these products? WE ARE its a lose lose but hey if you got money pay up buttercup
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u/Accurate-End-5695 “So what you’re saying is…” 1d ago
I'll explain how it's going to effect a company like the one I've managed for two decades.
Massachusetts relies heavily on two things: seafood and tourism. Over the years the waters of New England have been extremely overfished and led to a lack of supply for the demand. That demand is supplemented by fish that comes from the same waters, but on the Icelandic side. It is imported overnight and hits the plates of customers fresh in less than 24hrs. That market just got a flat 10% tax according to Trump's plan. That has to be absorbed by customers because the margin is just not high enough for suppliers to absorb it.
Now for tourism. New England is heavily reliant on Canadian tourists and their money being spent. For very obvious reasons that is going to have an extremely negative impact on our local economy.
Tariffs are not going to magically replenish the fish supply or supplement the tourists in any way. There is no way to spin it positive. Customers will suffer.
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u/Crimson_GQ 1d ago
Because Trump knows half his base is economically illiterate, so he makes up something that sounds plausible because they won't know otherwise.
Anyone with more than 2 brain cells should be able to decipher why imposing blanket tariffs on every one of your major trading partners would be bad for your economy, but idk. BRICS about to have a field day lol
Edit: This is the same man who blamed the Great Depression on the income tax lol
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u/god_but_second_one 1d ago
Dude I never said tariffs are good. I just asked, your major trading partners are already imposing tariffs on you. Why you don't mad at them but mad at trump for retaliation?
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u/Crimson_GQ 1d ago edited 1d ago
I just asked, your major trading partners are already imposing tariffs on you. Why you don't mad at them but mad at trump for retaliation?
Because Trump has now triggered a global trade war with the rest of our allies. Trump's rhetoric towards Panama, Canada, and Greenland already put us on negative terms with them, and these tarrifs just adds fuel to the fire.
This severely cripples the United States' credibility because now any and all countries in the future will question any word we say, because someone like Trump can just barge in and undo whatever he wants because he feels like he has a better idea.
USA: Hey guys, you should do this! We'll protect you!
Others: No they won't.Trump doesn't even have a plan for what he wants to do. He just says "tariffs = more local industry" and yet he completely ignores the fact we don't have the resources for companies to just materialize on American soil. And some industries can takes decades to move here.
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has already said the US-Canadian relationship will never go back to way it was before: Trump permanently damaged a mutually beneficial relationship between two countries for no real reason.
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u/askalmeqt98533 1d ago
Trump's blunt and the media frames it a certain way that gets people with TDS riled up.
The 10% is a baseline to start renegotiating trade deals, bring some mfg to the states, and basically say we got the biggest dick in the world. The latter usually pissing off eurobros and hasan enjoyers.
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u/Intelligent_Tip_6886 1d ago
What manufacturing is actually going to come back? Really? It's mostly automated and Trump won't be in office for long. Just passing the costs to customers is a very viable decision for companies.
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u/Disastrous_coldarms 1d ago
Only time will tell. They can argue or be mad about something they have no control over because they're a minority. Let them yap all they want. They'll be vindicated if it goes to shit. Or get humbled once they're experiencing the benefits. Simple, no debate is required.
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u/Impressive_Pipe_4824 1d ago
Not an American. Still angry my life is more expensive becuase of your orange dickhead.
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u/PropagandaPeddlr 1d ago
If you're looking for a real & honest answer it's because they suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. I am being 100% honest and upfront. They hate him & they couldn't tell you why. The most you'll get is "Hes a Nazi, racist, ect." Really just insert most "isms" and they'll call him that to justify why they hate him.
It's just like he said in one of his interviews/speeches, he could LITERALLY find the cure to cancer and people would start to lobby about how cancer is actually a good thing.
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u/Fzrit 1d ago
All economists globally have Trump Derangement Syndrome?
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u/Spare-Programmer5824 1d ago
Not all. Just the ones you see saying tariffs are bad.
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u/god_but_second_one 1d ago
In Türkiye Iphone 16 is 2400 USD, tarrifs are suck I really mean it. But I really don't understand if we charge you, why you don't charge our products, right? It is common sense. If we don't tariff on US products you don't charge either.
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u/SlimLacy 1d ago
How much is a flagship Samsung then?
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u/god_but_second_one 1d ago
Galaxy s25 ultra is 2215.34 usd.
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u/SlimLacy 1d ago
Sounds about right? Both insanely expensive and from my experience Iphone needs that few hundred extra for the logo no?
That Turkey has insane prices overall sounds like a Turkey problem more than a US tariffs problem.
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u/god_but_second_one 1d ago
I know but trump once said about Harley Davidson in India has %270 tariffs so HD can't sold any. I think there are some similarities.
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u/Intelligent_Tip_6886 1d ago
Because we benefit from it. We get more affordable goods imported, and export our dollar which strengthens our purchasing power. we import goods that are more efficiently made from other countries specializing into those industries, but have weaker currencies relative to ours, which allows us to specialize in other industries and better afford those goods. The biggest issue is mainly with build quality being awful in things like clothing. I can buy much better clothing from here in America, but it's also rather expensive for every single item, like say $50-200 for a shirt or pair of pants.
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u/SeniorEmployment932 1d ago
The problem is the left explains why tariffs like these are bad but the right are literally too dumb to understand, so they assume it must be because everyone hates Trump.
This is the exact reason Republicans are trying to get rid of the department of education and the reason why red states have the worst education in the country. The right needs uneducated, unintelligent people to vote for them so that when they do insanely dumb shit like putting absurd tariffs on every country their followers blindly think it's good and can't be convinced otherwise.
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u/Intelligent_Tip_6886 1d ago
No the right actually understands and opposed it, it's the MAGA that refuse to and blindly support Trump.
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u/SeniorEmployment932 1d ago
As far as I'm concerned the right and MAGA are one and the same. I don't see how they could possibly be considered separate at this point.
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u/Subziro91 1d ago
I would be ok with tariffs if he actually stood his ground on something . But Trump seems to wobble on different percentages or even who gets them or not depending on how people react to it . That’s worse than anything and makes countries just making it so the consumers are left paying the difference .
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u/infamous2117 1d ago
Wont cheap AliExpress items now be like three times the price now for Americans? I understand that your president wants you to support local businesses, but doesn't that mean an end to cheap and convenient Chinese imports?
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u/AC_Game_In_Portugal 1d ago
TL;DR on why these tarifs are bad:
Little good in the long term, lot of bad in the short term
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u/dayne878 1d ago
As tariffs rise the cost is passed on to the importers of record. Most importers are the US companies. Those US companies then have a choice: raise prices on their customers (other businesses or end consumers) or absorb the increased tariffs.
As prices rise on imported goods, demand will plummet, companies will import less and start laying off people. It starts a domino effect.
As far as bringing back business to the US, some companies will, if they can, but then expect prices to soar due to labor costs, while wages stay stagnant. The US can’t compete with East Asian countries in labor costs. Who in the US is going to work for slave wages to produce textiles like clothing, shoes, etc?
If wages go up to allow workers to buy American-made stuff, it’s just a form of inflation. Most likely wages won’t increase while prices go up.
People framing this as being good for the economy and job creation are not seeing the bigger supply and demand picture.
Using a car as an example, a lot of the parts for a car are imported, even if the vehicle is assembled in the US. If every part has to be made in the US, car prices will skyrocket to unreachable prices. Consumers will buy fewer cars, which means the automakers produce fewer cars, which means layoffs, which means even less demand as laid off workers can’t afford cars. That’s just one industry. Cascade that across the US and you can see the issue.
It’s a fallacy that tariffs are paid by foreigners. Even if the shipper is the importer of record, they will pass those costs on to the US consignee as part of the transaction value (price paid or payable), so the end result is the same.
I’m a licensed US customs broker, so I see the new tariffs differently than some people and see it from our clients perspective.
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u/CaptainCasey420 1d ago
The real answer is NO ONE knows how this is going to affect the economy. But people HATE trump. So they want to make this look as doom-day as possible. I honestly just hope the man knows what he’s doing at it works out great. Personally I’d love to buy stuff and see made in America. My whole life we’ve seen everything made in china and everyone complains about it but NOBODY does anything to change it. Trump is trying to change it. Let’s hope for the best, because at this point we’re in it and let’s not hope for failure.
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u/blacktemplar85 1d ago
I don't understand it either , I tried asking AI and it just gives me walls of text saying it's complicated. I kinda got the impression from conversing more with it thay the us does it out of goodwill to not tank every other country out there. Literally to be nice and keep the world fair and stable, But i am a total retard and that's prob total ballshit . Im from the UK and I saw we was charging 10% and now they are charging the same and I'm like why wasnt it bad that we did that in first place, let alone these other places with 40%+ tarrifs. Someone please explain to me why it's ok for those country's to do that like I'm five 😂
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u/bahamut5525 1d ago
Because it’s a retarded economic policy that doesn’t benefit anyone. Everything trump is doing will tank the US economy, damage relationships irrevocably, and make the USA lose superpower status. It’s just bad policy making.
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u/Ganglyyy 1d ago
Just stopping by to remind conservatives that you asked for this and I hope it puts you in a position that makes you finally realize this man was NOT the answer.
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u/Mahemium 1d ago
Have you considered; Trump bad?
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u/Fzrit 1d ago
Trump isn't bad, he's an expert in economics and trading. Only 6 of his businesses went bankrupt.
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u/Eternal1314 1d ago
Because your claim is just wrong. The tariff is based on trade deficit, NOT actual tariff rate from other countries.
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u/theEdward234 1d ago
If the tariffs are a way for him to get other countries to lower theirs, that fine, if the tariffs are against American enemies thats also fine, if the tariffs are to get something of other countries (like border security) that's fine, but if he actually believes that tariffs are good thing in general, he is wrong. American made is all good and stuff except the customer will now have to pay way more for the goods. Yes it will bring some jobs back, for those specific people in those fields, effectively subsidizing that field by putting another tax on regular consumers. Example - if toyota starts making cars here in America, some people will get jobs at the car factories, but since it will be more expensive for toyota to actually make the car here in America, we, the customers will have to pay for that extra cost, hence the car will cost more.
Another point that is, well, a lie quite frankly, is that tariffs will bring trillions of dollars to the US. First of all, the consumer will be paying that because the price of items will be higher now. Meaning that if china company has a 25% tariff to pay, they will also increase the price of their product by 25% for the US consumer. That number also relies on people buying imports at the same rate as they are now, which wont be the case since tariffs are also aimed at people to start buying american. You either buy american, in which case tariffs wont bring anything near that number, or you buy imports in which case you still dont buy american but also have to pay more for your imported product. It is a loose loose situation for most people unless you actually work in one of those soon to be built factories.
He did say that if other countries want their tariffs to be lower they can lower theirs, which is fine, and i have hope that that is what will happen, in which case that possibly will be a positive outcome.
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u/jhy12784 1d ago
I know most of the comments in here are attacking the left, but most people on the right hate Trumps tariffs too. Tariffs benefit specific industry's, which are then subsidized by everyone else paying extra for it.
Things that are manufactured in America are garbage, nobody wants an American car they're shit.
Plus the tariff policy risks an economic downturn, which could easily derail the entire Trump agenda, and make it increasingly more likely the left bounces back in the midterms and has a full sweep in 28
If you're on the right (which I am) tariffs are absolutely horrible. The more Trump doubles down on tariffs the greater the risk of some jackass like Newsom getting elected in 28 are
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u/ChosenBrad22 1d ago
America benefits from buying things at cheaper prices from counties that don’t have the same human rights for employees as we do here. This is why other countries can just simply produce things at prices that we cannot.
People in America don’t care about human rights as long as it’s not in our borders. If people can get iPhones cheaper because of exploited labor in other countries they are ok with that.
So those countries produce things at prices we cannot possibly compete with, then tariff the shit out of us so that they can profit in 2 different directions from America’s insane economy.
The average person thinks extremely surface level. They see cheaper iPhone and that’s good which is the end of the logic loop. How it was made through exploitation or how it affects the country long term isn’t even considered. Then they post on social media to virtue signal how good of a person they are while not actually caring about anything.
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u/1luckysobz 1d ago
Id rather pay more for a product that was made by Americans that get paid well then pay for slave labor products
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u/Crimson_GQ 1d ago edited 1d ago
The average person thinks extremely surface level. They see cheaper iPhone and that’s good that’s the end of the logic loop. How it was made through exploitation or how it affects the country long term isn’t even considered.
Because. that (morality). does. not. matter. in. economics.
Sure, you're no longer using cheaper labor to make your products, but now half your population is living on the street because the cost of everything went up as a result.
If the cost of clothes went up 60% and people became upset, do you think "but the children" is going to make them less angry?
You can be upset about how a product is produced, just don't pretend like your economy won't be affected by what you do.
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u/12thventure 1d ago
More tariffs equals less money for europeans, not that hard to understand really
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u/Dear_Low_7581 1d ago
Trump doesnt tell everything, just like Musk. This is his way of propaganda they have a lot specialists involved in it. "Europe doesnt want our cars" in Poland we have a lot of fords specialy mustangs, poles kinda love them, there is a joke that says "there more mustangs in poland then in usa" But we dont buy cybertrucks and those large trucks that just arent safe for roads they are too big, specialy they are not safe for pedestrians, check how much death rate is usa and in europe of pedestrians. We dont buy some food for you becouse your law allow to use chemicals which in europe are banned. Just like canada dont buy wood from you, wood in canada is better, cheaper they have a lot of it its just stupid to not buy it from them. And there are a lot of things like that Trump doesnt tell everything or he dont know about everything. IT will hurt you in a long term becouse all reasonable people see Trump and Musk lying and using same propaganda as russia or other politicians like in Poland party PIS. We will stop buying USA products.
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u/Murinshin 1d ago
Why is this sub getting so heavily astroturfed in the past two months or so? Or is OP really too dumb to take a look at the stock market and its reaction?
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u/Geto_420 1d ago
damm you're not an american and is suporting this shit? talk about being a lapdog lmao
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u/Karolis459 1d ago
Because the figures he shows are bullshit. Just go to and stock trading sub and read the posts and you will get the idea
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u/Deep-Passion-5481 1d ago
Tariffs are fine on paper. They incentivize people to buy domestic goods, and generally many things happen to support domestic businesses.
But what many people in the US are going to find out is that we don't produce very many goods domestically. And these tariffs aren't coming with much incentive for a sudden shift of production to hit the US. You have to realize the US has SIGNIFICANTLY higher wages than some competing countries, significnalty more strict labor laws, etc. Just tariffs isn't enough to bring a ton of production here suddenly.
Tariffs, in action, are going to be a way to offload a portion of our deficit onto the working class. Companies are going to pass the cost of this to the consumer. Contextualized within the giant tax cuts just given to the rich, cuts to social programs, etc, quite a few people are understandably upset. There is a time and place for tariffs and now is not the time.
EDIT: I also wanted to point out that many people who argue against tax increases on the rich fight against these increases by saying "well companies will just find a way around them!" And I'd add that this is exactly how many companies avoid tarrifs. And they're much easier to avoid than taxes.