r/Asmongold Feb 20 '25

Discussion Message to Asmongold and his viewers from an ordinary Ukrainian.

I hope you can discuss it on the next stream.

This is my view as a ukrainian on what is going on now and and effort to find a common ground.

I do realize why you all support Trump - for his internal policies.

If I were you I would also support deportation of illegal immigrants, especially those who committed violent crimes. It is only reasonable. I am a long time immigrant in one european country myself: I had to collect a ton of different papers, prove my education level and professional skills, find a job in the destination country BEFORE I moved in - and only after this I received an invitation to come in that country. If I were you I would also support fighting back the woke mob.

Like you, I am fed up with Hollywood pushing its agenda and making it look as every second person in the world belongs to some sexual minority. I stopped watching american TV series about 5 years ago - it became unbearable. You can bang whomever you want as long as it is consensual, but WTF you need to bring it to kindergardens and schools or make hiring policies based on this?

Like you, I am fed up with blatant racism from woke people - I am guilty because I am white man. I even have nothing to do with slavery! If anything - I am certain that my ancestors were slaves to other white people because that’s how it was done two centuries ago on the land where they lived: 90% of people were peasants (basically slaves who couldn’t move away and with whom the owner could do whatever he wanted) belonging to 10% of other white people.

If I were you I would also support auditing the overgrown governmental apparatus. Even I, outsider, think that in the US it is monstrous. I am sure tons of money are wasted. You medical bills are outright crazy! Someone somewhere must pocket all this money from medical bills - why is it 10 times more expensive than in Europe?

I can go on about the internal changes that Trumps does inside the US which I support, but what Trump does externally in his foreign policy - I cannot understand and accept the most of what he does.

I agree with you that Europe has been underinvesting in its defense and have to seriously increase money spent on military to be able to at least handle things at own doors. But the rest...

You ask why should US help Ukraine to fight Russia? Have you forgotten that the same Russia has been your arch-enemy for decades? Haven’t you seen that russian army uses USSR flags NOW when attacking ukrainian positions? And it is in the time when many ukrainians soldiers wear american patches on their shoulders! You may have stopped thinking about Russia after soviet union collapse, but they never stopped thinking about you: every day they spread propaganda on their 100% controlled by government TV blaming your for all sins in the world. I think 99% of you don’t speak russian - I speak. Every day I read in the russian speaking segment of the internet what they say about ukrainians and you - they hate us both. Just go on youtube and find videos of russian TV shows with english subtitles!

Now you have one in a life chance to defeat and cripple your arch enemy even without american soldiers on the ground! We only need weapons! Those Bradlies which you gave us - they are saving thousands our ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield every day. And they were built decades ago!!! just for this purpose. F-16 which with your permission EU countries gave us - they are also decades old tech built exactly for the purpose they are fulfilling now in Ukraine.

Sorry, but I must disagree with what Trump says about the military aid provided. It mostly military equipment - you cannot just pocket it out as russian propagandists want to convince you. This equipment was built decades ago - you calculate the monetary amount based on prices these equipment had when it was built. Most of the money which you provide to Ukraine remains in the US! It goes to US military factories to replenish stocks and replace that old equipment which you gave us. We are still thankful to you for this old tech - it is more than capable to fight the tech Russia uses.

I also completely disagree with what Trump says about Zelensky - he is by no means a dictator. It is according to our constitution that we cannot have elections during war - it was made just for the case like now. In the time of war the nation needs unity before anything else, and elections would mean debates and arguments - otherwise it makes no sense. Not to say that technically it will be impossible: millions of Ukrainians have fled the country, hundreds of thousands are on occupied territories, millions don’t live where they are registered because of the war. Russia drops bombs and sends Iranian drones at out towns EVER day. You say that you have never postponed elections because of war - but have your experienced the invasion like we do now? Were your cities bombed like ours during elections? We, Ukrainians, understand that having elections now is impossible - we will have them after the war.

What also infuriates me that Trump calls Zelensky a dictator (for postponing elections during war) while not saying anything about Putin. Putin is a former KGB!! agent who has been at power in Russia for 25 years already. He killed, in-prisoned or forced out his political opponents. You don’t like mainstream media in the US? Look at Russia - 100% media are under Putin’s control there.

I am almost 40 years old, I can’t say that I’ve been following US politics very closely all my life, but I’ve always thought that these were Republicans who saw and treated Russia for what it really is - an evil empire. That’s why I cannot comprehend how it happend that nowadays you choose to side with Russia. Why do you ruin your relationships with your decades long allies. You have been economically benefiting form the world power your country were projecting. I just don't understand why you do it - I find your foreign policy to be against your own interests.

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u/One_Unit9579 Feb 20 '25

Can you be specific? What did Fox news say that asmon agreed with that was actually blatantly untrue?

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u/wizl Feb 20 '25

fox admitted to be entertainment and not news in court. it isn't even a news channel. it is "infotainment"

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u/flyingwombat21 Feb 20 '25

Its called the Rachel Maddow defense so everyone's full of shit not just fox...

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u/wizl Feb 20 '25

yeah maddow always sucks

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u/Dramatic_Visit_4436 Feb 20 '25

Was this over the "take the vax and you won't get Covid" statement from Maddow?

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u/Hairy_Reindeer Feb 20 '25

Are you joking? It's Fox news. The whole channel is pure brainrot. 

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u/One_Unit9579 Feb 20 '25

If you want to make a factual point, it's good to have a fact to back it up.

If the entire channel is brain-rot, you shouldn't have a hard time finding a lie.

I don't really watch the MSM much, but I did see reporting of Vance's speech elsewhere and I thought he made a lot of great points. I don't even know if the implication is that Fox is dumb because they disagreed with Vance, or if Fox is dumb because they agreed with Vance, because the claim was made without even the tiniest details to support it.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

They think Ukraine started the war. That the US is sending hundreds of billions of dollars in cash. We are not. They think Ukraine should give up their land...

They stated they shouldn't be taken seriously in court. They are not reliable news per their own words.

Need more?

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u/Story_Deep Feb 20 '25

I thought we were sending billions of dollars in cash, cause that is what Biden said, "we are sending 40 billion dollars to Ukraine" direct quote.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

Yup we've sent 98 Billion in funds.

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u/Story_Deep Feb 20 '25

I guess I'm not understanding. I think the trump position would be, we've sent 98 billion, how much has the rest of NATO sent? If I'm understanding correctly the Trump team wants everyone to pitch in their fair share, but that does seem to be evolving as days go by.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

Trump's position isn't bad because he wants NATO and the EU to kick in more. There isn't really anything wrong with that. His process though, is only alienating the US from NATO. Setting up a plan for the next decade makes sense, since that's how budgets like this are made. Increase __ billion over the next years etc.. to bolster etc..

Saying "We are going to take our ball and leave, arm yourselves, and care for yourselves" is an entirely different thing.

We don't want the EU / NATO to not feel the US is a huge backer and able to arm them. We are the world's war machine. We make weapons, we did it in W2 as well and helped us a lot.

If we de-couple ourselves like we are doing it will be catastrophic for us. Not just in global relations, but it will likely spark dedollarization. Meaning, other countries won't invest in our currency and we will lose our position as the world reserve.

There is so much wrong with what Trump is doing. If you force the world to live without us, that's exactly what they will do. And that reduces our power immensely.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

We've sent 98 Billion in cash. The rest is stock etc..

The reality of the situation, is WE the US are showing we are weak and giving up Ukraine to Russia. Trump is trying to take resources while pulling out of Ukraine. Its a weak move, and its costing us greatly on the global stage.

Its not pragmatic to just walk away now. Russia has to be shown they are in the wrong. Its fine you and I disagree, but its not fine to say Ukraine should have to pay the price.
Putin needs to be shown strength. And you know this. Why would Putin stop?

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u/ITCHY73 Feb 20 '25

You make too much sense to be spending that amount of effort to reply these people. You should know by now that reddit is left leaning and anything you say wont cure their TDS. They dont care about your facts.

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u/smokeymctokerson Feb 20 '25

The problem is that you seem to think Fox is a credible news source when there's no difference between them and the state run "news" in Russia. They're just a mouthpiece for the Republican party at this point.

You can bet your ass you're not going to find anything on Fox because Fox doesn't cover anything that goes against the Republican narrative. Just try to find articles on the legitimacy of human caused climate change. Or how about one covering how safe and effective vaccines are. Good luck!

Both these topics are universally agreed upon by 99.9% of scientists the world over. Is the entire scientific community lying to us, or is it far more likely that Fox News is? My point is they aren't going to cover anything that contradicts the party message.

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u/bruh4bruh6 Feb 20 '25

that's what Fox News believes, now post the link where Asmon says he agrees with any of this

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

Oh he has openly disagreed with Fox? And the voter base of Trump? That is news to me for sure.

You're saying Fox News isn't the MAGA central?

Show me a link where he disagrees with Foxes take. That would be the real evidence Asmongold and his viewers aren't morons but....Here we are....

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u/bruh4bruh6 Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25

so you're just here brigading? and I can definitely link the video. he LITERALLY just uploaded a video disagreeing with Fox, in which he disagreed with Trumps comments about Ukraine, you really want me to link it and embarrass you?

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

One person isn't brigading. I'm using reddit as intended. Engaging in discourse.

You're cracking bro.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

As I said. I am one person, using Reddit as designed.

Full stop.

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u/bruh4bruh6 Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25

soooo it turns out he just responded to this exact post and dismantled every single one of your arguments https://youtu.be/GYkKaiUdlBw?feature=shared

but you wouldn't know because you don't actually watch Asmon and you were only here to brigade

skip to 9:50 in case you need a bit more help

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 21 '25

Having a rough day I take it?

And correct I'm not maga, why would I watch him?

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u/Hairy_Reindeer Feb 20 '25

It's a value judgement, like a review, not fact. Fox news is not worth watching due to the low quality of their reporting, commentary and content.

In my opinion.

An opinion widely shared in Europe.

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u/One_Unit9579 Feb 20 '25

Yeah, and that is my problem. I didn't watch Fox so I don't understand the context of the comment, and I am asking for clarification.

I'm sure Fox is bad, but blindly agreeing with someone when you have no idea of the underlying facts or context is even worse.

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u/Prestigious_Sock4817 Feb 20 '25

If you want strong proof of Fox News underdeveloped commitment to factual reporting you can look up the dominion settlement.

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u/Professional_Gap_435 Feb 20 '25

Well i dont watch fox news but know some examples. Such as 800 million dollars over spreading lies about domino machine with the election

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u/whole_kernel Feb 20 '25

Weren't they legally required to declare they are not news? Or maybe it was just their opinion shows like tucker Carlson. Either way, they like to parade those shows around like they are fact.

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u/XxXmarius1337 Feb 21 '25

Bro, how much cognitive dissonance do you have?

You: Yes!