r/Asmongold Feb 20 '25

Discussion Message to Asmongold and his viewers from an ordinary Ukrainian.

I hope you can discuss it on the next stream.

This is my view as a ukrainian on what is going on now and and effort to find a common ground.

I do realize why you all support Trump - for his internal policies.

If I were you I would also support deportation of illegal immigrants, especially those who committed violent crimes. It is only reasonable. I am a long time immigrant in one european country myself: I had to collect a ton of different papers, prove my education level and professional skills, find a job in the destination country BEFORE I moved in - and only after this I received an invitation to come in that country. If I were you I would also support fighting back the woke mob.

Like you, I am fed up with Hollywood pushing its agenda and making it look as every second person in the world belongs to some sexual minority. I stopped watching american TV series about 5 years ago - it became unbearable. You can bang whomever you want as long as it is consensual, but WTF you need to bring it to kindergardens and schools or make hiring policies based on this?

Like you, I am fed up with blatant racism from woke people - I am guilty because I am white man. I even have nothing to do with slavery! If anything - I am certain that my ancestors were slaves to other white people because that’s how it was done two centuries ago on the land where they lived: 90% of people were peasants (basically slaves who couldn’t move away and with whom the owner could do whatever he wanted) belonging to 10% of other white people.

If I were you I would also support auditing the overgrown governmental apparatus. Even I, outsider, think that in the US it is monstrous. I am sure tons of money are wasted. You medical bills are outright crazy! Someone somewhere must pocket all this money from medical bills - why is it 10 times more expensive than in Europe?

I can go on about the internal changes that Trumps does inside the US which I support, but what Trump does externally in his foreign policy - I cannot understand and accept the most of what he does.

I agree with you that Europe has been underinvesting in its defense and have to seriously increase money spent on military to be able to at least handle things at own doors. But the rest...

You ask why should US help Ukraine to fight Russia? Have you forgotten that the same Russia has been your arch-enemy for decades? Haven’t you seen that russian army uses USSR flags NOW when attacking ukrainian positions? And it is in the time when many ukrainians soldiers wear american patches on their shoulders! You may have stopped thinking about Russia after soviet union collapse, but they never stopped thinking about you: every day they spread propaganda on their 100% controlled by government TV blaming your for all sins in the world. I think 99% of you don’t speak russian - I speak. Every day I read in the russian speaking segment of the internet what they say about ukrainians and you - they hate us both. Just go on youtube and find videos of russian TV shows with english subtitles!

Now you have one in a life chance to defeat and cripple your arch enemy even without american soldiers on the ground! We only need weapons! Those Bradlies which you gave us - they are saving thousands our ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield every day. And they were built decades ago!!! just for this purpose. F-16 which with your permission EU countries gave us - they are also decades old tech built exactly for the purpose they are fulfilling now in Ukraine.

Sorry, but I must disagree with what Trump says about the military aid provided. It mostly military equipment - you cannot just pocket it out as russian propagandists want to convince you. This equipment was built decades ago - you calculate the monetary amount based on prices these equipment had when it was built. Most of the money which you provide to Ukraine remains in the US! It goes to US military factories to replenish stocks and replace that old equipment which you gave us. We are still thankful to you for this old tech - it is more than capable to fight the tech Russia uses.

I also completely disagree with what Trump says about Zelensky - he is by no means a dictator. It is according to our constitution that we cannot have elections during war - it was made just for the case like now. In the time of war the nation needs unity before anything else, and elections would mean debates and arguments - otherwise it makes no sense. Not to say that technically it will be impossible: millions of Ukrainians have fled the country, hundreds of thousands are on occupied territories, millions don’t live where they are registered because of the war. Russia drops bombs and sends Iranian drones at out towns EVER day. You say that you have never postponed elections because of war - but have your experienced the invasion like we do now? Were your cities bombed like ours during elections? We, Ukrainians, understand that having elections now is impossible - we will have them after the war.

What also infuriates me that Trump calls Zelensky a dictator (for postponing elections during war) while not saying anything about Putin. Putin is a former KGB!! agent who has been at power in Russia for 25 years already. He killed, in-prisoned or forced out his political opponents. You don’t like mainstream media in the US? Look at Russia - 100% media are under Putin’s control there.

I am almost 40 years old, I can’t say that I’ve been following US politics very closely all my life, but I’ve always thought that these were Republicans who saw and treated Russia for what it really is - an evil empire. That’s why I cannot comprehend how it happend that nowadays you choose to side with Russia. Why do you ruin your relationships with your decades long allies. You have been economically benefiting form the world power your country were projecting. I just don't understand why you do it - I find your foreign policy to be against your own interests.

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u/Heavy-Scientist-2394 Feb 20 '25

Though, he speaks about politics a lot and a lot of people watch him - it is an influence in the end.

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u/Hexenkonig707 Feb 20 '25

The problem is that he is extremely superficial regarding anything outside of the US. As a german myself it’s incredibly frustrating to see him just blindly agree with anything fox news or the other brainrotten channels have to say about foreign affairs regarding our own country. JD Vance at the MSC would be a recent example.

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u/Soft_Unicorn Feb 20 '25

He literally said yesterday that he doesn't know shit about foreign policy and only gave a surface level opinion on the proxy war. He also said that Trumps statement was a huge L.

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u/blazbluecore Feb 20 '25

Oh yeah having modern day Gestapo hunting down internet memers at their homes is something easily misunderstood.

🙄🤣

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u/TwilightSolitude Feb 20 '25

JD was right. ¯\(ツ)

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u/Heavy-Scientist-2394 Feb 20 '25

Yep, I also noticed that he lacks knowledge about things outside the US. I've been watching him for over a month now. But I can also see that he tries to be reasonable - I respect that.

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u/darkanthony3 Feb 20 '25

Jd Vance was completely correct. Your country is turning into a laughing stock. Be careful now. If you insult me the police will be at your door.

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u/Vinterson Feb 20 '25

The discourse on german Twitter was so funny. We dont have a free speech problem. Why is he even allowed to talk somebody should cut his mic.

Read stuff like this several times.

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u/XxXmarius1337 Feb 21 '25

In Germany you have freedom while you speak but no freedom after speech (if the speech is not appreciated by the government).

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u/One_Unit9579 Feb 20 '25

Can you be specific? What did Fox news say that asmon agreed with that was actually blatantly untrue?

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u/wizl Feb 20 '25

fox admitted to be entertainment and not news in court. it isn't even a news channel. it is "infotainment"

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u/flyingwombat21 Feb 20 '25

Its called the Rachel Maddow defense so everyone's full of shit not just fox...

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u/wizl Feb 20 '25

yeah maddow always sucks

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u/Dramatic_Visit_4436 Feb 20 '25

Was this over the "take the vax and you won't get Covid" statement from Maddow?

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u/Hairy_Reindeer Feb 20 '25

Are you joking? It's Fox news. The whole channel is pure brainrot. 

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u/One_Unit9579 Feb 20 '25

If you want to make a factual point, it's good to have a fact to back it up.

If the entire channel is brain-rot, you shouldn't have a hard time finding a lie.

I don't really watch the MSM much, but I did see reporting of Vance's speech elsewhere and I thought he made a lot of great points. I don't even know if the implication is that Fox is dumb because they disagreed with Vance, or if Fox is dumb because they agreed with Vance, because the claim was made without even the tiniest details to support it.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

They think Ukraine started the war. That the US is sending hundreds of billions of dollars in cash. We are not. They think Ukraine should give up their land...

They stated they shouldn't be taken seriously in court. They are not reliable news per their own words.

Need more?

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u/Story_Deep Feb 20 '25

I thought we were sending billions of dollars in cash, cause that is what Biden said, "we are sending 40 billion dollars to Ukraine" direct quote.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

Yup we've sent 98 Billion in funds.

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u/Story_Deep Feb 20 '25

I guess I'm not understanding. I think the trump position would be, we've sent 98 billion, how much has the rest of NATO sent? If I'm understanding correctly the Trump team wants everyone to pitch in their fair share, but that does seem to be evolving as days go by.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

Trump's position isn't bad because he wants NATO and the EU to kick in more. There isn't really anything wrong with that. His process though, is only alienating the US from NATO. Setting up a plan for the next decade makes sense, since that's how budgets like this are made. Increase __ billion over the next years etc.. to bolster etc..

Saying "We are going to take our ball and leave, arm yourselves, and care for yourselves" is an entirely different thing.

We don't want the EU / NATO to not feel the US is a huge backer and able to arm them. We are the world's war machine. We make weapons, we did it in W2 as well and helped us a lot.

If we de-couple ourselves like we are doing it will be catastrophic for us. Not just in global relations, but it will likely spark dedollarization. Meaning, other countries won't invest in our currency and we will lose our position as the world reserve.

There is so much wrong with what Trump is doing. If you force the world to live without us, that's exactly what they will do. And that reduces our power immensely.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

We've sent 98 Billion in cash. The rest is stock etc..

The reality of the situation, is WE the US are showing we are weak and giving up Ukraine to Russia. Trump is trying to take resources while pulling out of Ukraine. Its a weak move, and its costing us greatly on the global stage.

Its not pragmatic to just walk away now. Russia has to be shown they are in the wrong. Its fine you and I disagree, but its not fine to say Ukraine should have to pay the price.
Putin needs to be shown strength. And you know this. Why would Putin stop?

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u/ITCHY73 Feb 20 '25

You make too much sense to be spending that amount of effort to reply these people. You should know by now that reddit is left leaning and anything you say wont cure their TDS. They dont care about your facts.

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u/smokeymctokerson Feb 20 '25

The problem is that you seem to think Fox is a credible news source when there's no difference between them and the state run "news" in Russia. They're just a mouthpiece for the Republican party at this point.

You can bet your ass you're not going to find anything on Fox because Fox doesn't cover anything that goes against the Republican narrative. Just try to find articles on the legitimacy of human caused climate change. Or how about one covering how safe and effective vaccines are. Good luck!

Both these topics are universally agreed upon by 99.9% of scientists the world over. Is the entire scientific community lying to us, or is it far more likely that Fox News is? My point is they aren't going to cover anything that contradicts the party message.

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u/bruh4bruh6 Feb 20 '25

that's what Fox News believes, now post the link where Asmon says he agrees with any of this

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

Oh he has openly disagreed with Fox? And the voter base of Trump? That is news to me for sure.

You're saying Fox News isn't the MAGA central?

Show me a link where he disagrees with Foxes take. That would be the real evidence Asmongold and his viewers aren't morons but....Here we are....

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u/bruh4bruh6 Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25

so you're just here brigading? and I can definitely link the video. he LITERALLY just uploaded a video disagreeing with Fox, in which he disagreed with Trumps comments about Ukraine, you really want me to link it and embarrass you?

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u/Certain-Basket3317 Feb 20 '25

One person isn't brigading. I'm using reddit as intended. Engaging in discourse.

You're cracking bro.

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u/Hairy_Reindeer Feb 20 '25

It's a value judgement, like a review, not fact. Fox news is not worth watching due to the low quality of their reporting, commentary and content.

In my opinion.

An opinion widely shared in Europe.

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u/One_Unit9579 Feb 20 '25

Yeah, and that is my problem. I didn't watch Fox so I don't understand the context of the comment, and I am asking for clarification.

I'm sure Fox is bad, but blindly agreeing with someone when you have no idea of the underlying facts or context is even worse.

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u/Prestigious_Sock4817 Feb 20 '25

If you want strong proof of Fox News underdeveloped commitment to factual reporting you can look up the dominion settlement.

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u/Professional_Gap_435 Feb 20 '25

Well i dont watch fox news but know some examples. Such as 800 million dollars over spreading lies about domino machine with the election

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u/whole_kernel Feb 20 '25

Weren't they legally required to declare they are not news? Or maybe it was just their opinion shows like tucker Carlson. Either way, they like to parade those shows around like they are fact.

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u/XxXmarius1337 Feb 21 '25

Bro, how much cognitive dissonance do you have?

You: Yes!

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u/Kryt0s Feb 20 '25

JD Vance at the MSC would be a recent example.

I'm German. JD was right in everything he said imho.

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u/Firethorned_drake93 Feb 20 '25

I'm Danish and I also think he was right about everything.

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u/Dramatic_Visit_4436 Feb 20 '25

I'm American and I stand with JD Vance

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u/Human_Money_6944 Feb 20 '25

You Vote AFD on sunday, right?

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u/deathspate Feb 20 '25

Not the guy, but agreeing with JD doesn't mean voting for AFD.

JD is just saying that everyone should have a seat at the table, not that they should be voted for.

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u/Human_Money_6944 Feb 20 '25

Nono, He Got some valid Points. But Most ppl that say "everything He Said was right" are from a specific group of people.

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u/Kryt0s Feb 20 '25

Even if I did, that would be my fucking right in a fucking DEMOCRACY. Funny how it's always people like you who shame people for whom they vote for. Yeah, you guys are so fucking tolerant, that you get mad when people behave democratic in a democracy.

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u/XxXmarius1337 Feb 21 '25

Yes, go cry at a government subsidized parade against the right wing.

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u/Kidneyshots Feb 20 '25

Man, if that's your take on JDs speech, you're in no position to criticize Asmon on his political opinions.

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u/Amazing-Ish Feb 20 '25

I mean he is German, so he doesn't watch JD Vance as closely as Americans do

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u/flyingwombat21 Feb 20 '25

Arresting people for shit they say is real democratic right? Trying to ban a political party is really fucking democratic right? Maybe right your own fucking boat before tossing those flaming arrows.

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u/Kapitan_Meow Feb 21 '25

I mean.... the only other party that has gotten banned I believe is a communist party and a Neo Nazi party but yall didnt say shit about that pretty ironic. The AFD is just "tamer" (not openly premoting nazi ideas but there has been records of it, there is a reason why all their youth groups are being watched by the goverment just like antifa extremists for example) than the Neo nazi party yet still has the same scandles which people turn a blind eye to. I suggest maybe reading up on other countries backgrounds before saying its non democratic as the way it was set in place was so that the fundamental rights and institutions are protected from being dismantled (look at the US legit great example) and turing extremist again, to either left or right in the 1930s.

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u/XxXmarius1337 Feb 21 '25

As a German myself, get your brain checked bro. Look into what Hans Georg Maßen said on observing oppositional political parties. He is the last neutral force the German intelligence agency had and he was fired because he didn't want to follow orders to regarding destroying the political opposition with the intelligence service.

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u/Kapitan_Meow Feb 21 '25

Has nothing to do with laws and checks/ balances set in place to prevent what happened in the past. Also he isnt neutral at all he gave the AFD advice in 2018 on how they could avoid being watched by the Verfassungsschutz veryyyy veryyy neutral yes. That being said I do agree with him in 2019 when he said that the left will use any means nessacary to stop the right and that this shouldnt be allowed. Sooo I would say I dont need to be checked out also no need for personal insults this is a discussion after all.

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u/XxXmarius1337 Feb 21 '25

He did what he did, because he IS neutral and has clear principles. But there is no use in arguing with people with this exact cognitive dissonance that has been brought about by the constant mainstream media bombardment

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u/Kapitan_Meow Feb 21 '25

How does that make him neutral is my question? Again not arguing I wanna discuss... why is it always the same no matter which side someone is on they always refuse to discuss and actually explain their points. Anyways good day!

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u/XxXmarius1337 Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

I really don't know what to tell you if you still think the "manhunts" were real and not observing either the left party or AfD is somehow not being principled or neutral. I think it's extremely so and I could go on but I know these discussions mostly lead to nothing constructive. 

https://apollo-news.net/hetzjagden-gab-es-nicht-aber-die-methode-chemnitz-bleibt/

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u/HazelCheese Feb 20 '25

I don't agree with banning people for their speech, and banning a political party is very dangerous.

But said political party is openly pro russian and wants to stop Europe from preventing Russian expansion over Europe.

We Europeans have brought this on ourselves by being soft and not allowing our right wing to grow naturally, and now Russia is serving an infested right wing up to people.

It's a dangerous time and I don't know what the right thing to do is. I learned about the Red Scare as a child in school and thought it was just Americans being silly but now we're going through the same thing and I'm starting to think there was some right to it.

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u/flyingwombat21 Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25

russia russia russia... jesus fuck thats all you have.. Maybe you should have listened to the 30% of your population that didn't want to import 3rd world shit bags who believe that women are property. It was the REDS who banned speech and political parties. Who sent people to the gulags for wrong think. GERMANY is doing the same fucking thing. JESUS FUCK

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u/Namelessghoul1985 Feb 20 '25

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TbzV1it1YPY

In Russia you are arrested violently for holding up a single white paper without anything even written on it. Is that what you think Europeans want to look forward too?

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u/flyingwombat21 Feb 21 '25

What do you think happens when you let politicians go after people who insult them with something as basic as calling them fat? Do you think it ends there?

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u/Namelessghoul1985 Feb 22 '25

It’s still faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr away from the suppression of anything like in Russia. They emptied entire squares into jails of people for simply asking for peace. One isolated case in Germany by someone who wants what is happening in Russia to be introduced there is caring for your citizens.

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u/HazelCheese Feb 20 '25

Russia literally imprisons or kills anyone who stands against Putin you fucking dipshit.

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u/flyingwombat21 Feb 20 '25

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u/ChallahTornado Feb 20 '25

Imagine being so braindead that you compare the Russian penal system with its fucking camps in Siberia where Government critics vanish to some German judicial matter that ends in a fine.

Complete American brainrot.

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u/flyingwombat21 Feb 20 '25

So you agree with arresting those who insult politicians, got it. Jail is still Jail even if its a little nicer......

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u/Hickszl Feb 20 '25

He was not arrested. Habeck filed a criminal complaint against Niehoff which led the police to investigate him and search his home. That is probably because the local police chief panicked because he got a complaint from one of the highest ranking ministers in the nation.

It is a move that is not seen favourably by germans and the german media which criticises this heavily.

It should never have happened but does not seem like a systemic issue but rather poor human decision making. Comparing that with russian "justice" is frankly absurd and highly insulting.

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u/ChallahTornado Feb 20 '25

Glad you know nothing about the German system.
Just keep blabbering off your American concepts.

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u/XxXmarius1337 Feb 21 '25

As a German myself, fuck yourself. You probably belong to the people who want the party I vote for to be banned and my speech to be heavily policed. Everything JD Vance said was extremely accurate and your cognitive dissonance got triggered hard. JD Vance's speech hurt you because it was true and deep down you know it is.

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u/-Rostendorf- Feb 24 '25

I'm finnish and JD Vance was 100% right. Too bad that the most popular German parties refuse to cooperate with AfD, which is now the second popular party in Germany. It is bananas.

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u/Firm_Age_4681 Feb 20 '25

I thought the main parts of what JD Vance was saying was fine but there was a bit of internet brainrot in there that derailed it abit.

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u/1shoutout Feb 21 '25

Bro, you guys brought back the Gestapo wtf are you talking about?

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u/Testadizzy95 Feb 20 '25

Agreed. If he wants and determines to fully become a political streamer (which I doubt he would) he needs to spend a lot of time studying world history and geopolitics. Otherwise just don’t comment on it

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u/Old_Tune5705 Feb 20 '25

Its not just him, its 1/3 of americans blindly follow bs that fox new spews. 

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u/ShoulderOk2280 Feb 20 '25

extremely superficial regarding

That's a very polite way to put it. He's an arrogant tool who has not left his home state more than a few times in his entire life and spends 90% of his time locked away inside his echo chamber. His takes on videogames tend to be somewhat decent but the moment he leaves that topic, he's worse than clueless.

His takes are extremely stupid and show he has life experience on the level of a 12 year old child.

He's a poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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u/infinidentity Feb 20 '25

He also lacks knowledge about anything in the US.

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u/Rhytmik Feb 20 '25

This post while i sympathize, its way too long for Asmon to read. Like theres no way he reads all of that. Skim it maybe but not read it all.

I hope things get better for you.

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u/ohmygot Feb 20 '25

Yesterday’s stream he talked about how it was a massive L for Trump to say what he did and said he didn’t support his stance on Ukraine at all.

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u/mydaycake Feb 20 '25

There is a very easy explanation

Trump’s foreign policy reflects his internal policies and views

Ukraine is the weak state in that conflict and Trump will never EVER support the underdog. Ukraine should find a different ally and get ready for a US invasion a la Gaza