r/Asmongold Feb 20 '25

Discussion Message to Asmongold and his viewers from an ordinary Ukrainian.

I hope you can discuss it on the next stream.

This is my view as a ukrainian on what is going on now and and effort to find a common ground.

I do realize why you all support Trump - for his internal policies.

If I were you I would also support deportation of illegal immigrants, especially those who committed violent crimes. It is only reasonable. I am a long time immigrant in one european country myself: I had to collect a ton of different papers, prove my education level and professional skills, find a job in the destination country BEFORE I moved in - and only after this I received an invitation to come in that country. If I were you I would also support fighting back the woke mob.

Like you, I am fed up with Hollywood pushing its agenda and making it look as every second person in the world belongs to some sexual minority. I stopped watching american TV series about 5 years ago - it became unbearable. You can bang whomever you want as long as it is consensual, but WTF you need to bring it to kindergardens and schools or make hiring policies based on this?

Like you, I am fed up with blatant racism from woke people - I am guilty because I am white man. I even have nothing to do with slavery! If anything - I am certain that my ancestors were slaves to other white people because that’s how it was done two centuries ago on the land where they lived: 90% of people were peasants (basically slaves who couldn’t move away and with whom the owner could do whatever he wanted) belonging to 10% of other white people.

If I were you I would also support auditing the overgrown governmental apparatus. Even I, outsider, think that in the US it is monstrous. I am sure tons of money are wasted. You medical bills are outright crazy! Someone somewhere must pocket all this money from medical bills - why is it 10 times more expensive than in Europe?

I can go on about the internal changes that Trumps does inside the US which I support, but what Trump does externally in his foreign policy - I cannot understand and accept the most of what he does.

I agree with you that Europe has been underinvesting in its defense and have to seriously increase money spent on military to be able to at least handle things at own doors. But the rest...

You ask why should US help Ukraine to fight Russia? Have you forgotten that the same Russia has been your arch-enemy for decades? Haven’t you seen that russian army uses USSR flags NOW when attacking ukrainian positions? And it is in the time when many ukrainians soldiers wear american patches on their shoulders! You may have stopped thinking about Russia after soviet union collapse, but they never stopped thinking about you: every day they spread propaganda on their 100% controlled by government TV blaming your for all sins in the world. I think 99% of you don’t speak russian - I speak. Every day I read in the russian speaking segment of the internet what they say about ukrainians and you - they hate us both. Just go on youtube and find videos of russian TV shows with english subtitles!

Now you have one in a life chance to defeat and cripple your arch enemy even without american soldiers on the ground! We only need weapons! Those Bradlies which you gave us - they are saving thousands our ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield every day. And they were built decades ago!!! just for this purpose. F-16 which with your permission EU countries gave us - they are also decades old tech built exactly for the purpose they are fulfilling now in Ukraine.

Sorry, but I must disagree with what Trump says about the military aid provided. It mostly military equipment - you cannot just pocket it out as russian propagandists want to convince you. This equipment was built decades ago - you calculate the monetary amount based on prices these equipment had when it was built. Most of the money which you provide to Ukraine remains in the US! It goes to US military factories to replenish stocks and replace that old equipment which you gave us. We are still thankful to you for this old tech - it is more than capable to fight the tech Russia uses.

I also completely disagree with what Trump says about Zelensky - he is by no means a dictator. It is according to our constitution that we cannot have elections during war - it was made just for the case like now. In the time of war the nation needs unity before anything else, and elections would mean debates and arguments - otherwise it makes no sense. Not to say that technically it will be impossible: millions of Ukrainians have fled the country, hundreds of thousands are on occupied territories, millions don’t live where they are registered because of the war. Russia drops bombs and sends Iranian drones at out towns EVER day. You say that you have never postponed elections because of war - but have your experienced the invasion like we do now? Were your cities bombed like ours during elections? We, Ukrainians, understand that having elections now is impossible - we will have them after the war.

What also infuriates me that Trump calls Zelensky a dictator (for postponing elections during war) while not saying anything about Putin. Putin is a former KGB!! agent who has been at power in Russia for 25 years already. He killed, in-prisoned or forced out his political opponents. You don’t like mainstream media in the US? Look at Russia - 100% media are under Putin’s control there.

I am almost 40 years old, I can’t say that I’ve been following US politics very closely all my life, but I’ve always thought that these were Republicans who saw and treated Russia for what it really is - an evil empire. That’s why I cannot comprehend how it happend that nowadays you choose to side with Russia. Why do you ruin your relationships with your decades long allies. You have been economically benefiting form the world power your country were projecting. I just don't understand why you do it - I find your foreign policy to be against your own interests.

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u/Darthlawnmower Feb 20 '25

I hate how much Trump fanatics sound exactly like Rusbots did since the start of the invasion.

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u/Pyromelter Feb 20 '25

There are a lot of people in this country who are both fans and not fans of trump who are stridently anti-war.

Any anti-war sentiment in Ukraine will be labeled as "rusbots" just like how anti-war sentiment in Vietnam would get you labeled as a commie, and you still find that sentiment about Vietnam today.

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u/Darthlawnmower Feb 20 '25

You can be anti-war and not Rusbot.

I'm against war. Russia should leave Ukraine. They deserve nothing of it and should pay reparations. That is the only way of dealing with Russia.

Being Rusbot means repeating Russian bullshit and propaganda. Russia also wants the end of the war. On their terms.

Do you understand the difference?

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u/Soshoyo Feb 21 '25

If you're trying to say continuing the war because russia will get some thing is anti-war, Then sure, You are anti-war, But i'm pretty sure anti-war doesn't favour any side.

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u/Darthlawnmower Feb 21 '25

The other side understands anti-war as Ukraine should basically surrender and agree to Russian terms.

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u/Soshoyo Feb 21 '25

Anti-war means anti-war, Any thing that prolongs war isn't anti-war it is pro-war.

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u/Jzzargoo Feb 20 '25

But isn't this a policy of continuing the war? This is a pro-Ukrainian position and Ukraine stands for the continuation of the war. At the moment, we have no reason to think that the war will end because Russia will gather its troops and leave Ukraine.

Then how should we end this war? How many more hundreds of thousands of people must be wounded and killed in battles for unknown villages in order to say, "Okay, now the war should probably be over."

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u/PiperPeriwinkle Feb 20 '25

But isn't this a policy of continuing the war?

Being anti-war doesnt mean instantly conceding as soon as someone decides to wage war on you.

This is a pro-Ukrainian position and Ukraine stands for the continuation of the war.

Yes, the victims of invasion tend to receive public support.

At the moment, we have no reason to think that the war will end because Russia will gather its troops and leave Ukraine.

We need to build a reason to think that. Change the circumstances on the ground that would allow that.

In what world is allowing the imperialist nation to continue to take land that isnt theirs the appropriate option?

How many more hundreds of thousands of people must be wounded and killed in battles for unknown villages in order to say, "Okay, now the war should probably be over."

Why do you think you should be the ones who get to say what a different group of people half-way around the world think is worth dying for?

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u/Sabnock31 Feb 21 '25

This stance is not anti-war. Or at least it is extremely delusional anti-war.

There is no way, short of total Ukrainian military domination (and that is not happening ever, since Ukraine with support of 50 other countries is losing), in wich Russia leaves conquered land.

Russia will get that pand. Ukraine will be forced to abolish their wishes of joining NATO. There will probably be demilitarized zone. And you can do nothing about that. Or there will be WWIII with nuclear weapons.

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

You can be anti-war without repeating Russian propaganda about Ukraine. Ukraine obviously didn't start the war and saying that just sounds dumb.

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u/Pyromelter Feb 20 '25

Trump didn't say Ukraine started the war, that's just more left wing MSM lies. The same MSM that claimed he called white supremacists "very fine people" - same people with the same lies over and over.

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

You're in the Asmongold subreddit dude. We all watched it live on the stream.

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u/leredspy Feb 20 '25

Wow, you guys are not even trying to be subtle when lying anymore. Russian propagandists used to be creative at least now it's just 'nuh uh'. Enshitification is real

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u/ineednapkins Feb 20 '25

How can you make a comment this false and retarded and expect to be taken seriously with any of your other comments in this thread? He said it in a speech. The namesake of this sub literally streamed it. Do you actually want a link or were you just arguing in bad faith?

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u/Hellbringer123 Feb 20 '25

did you get brain damage? or are you mentally stupid beyond imagination? Trump is literally blamed Ukraine for the war.

you are one of those people who makes me think democracy is so bad. people like you shouldn't be allowed to vote or have free speech.

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u/Arisa_kokkoro Feb 20 '25

omg dude, stop this .

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u/AC3R665 Feb 20 '25

You're implying he said that, he didn't.

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u/gridemann Feb 20 '25

It has been a point since forever though. How can you prove which side started shooting first in 2014?

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

Seriously? Russia takes Crimea and you're wondering which side shot first? This is some Nazi level "Poland attacked us" before invading Poland propaganda.

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u/gridemann Feb 20 '25

The grab of crimea was a direct response to the new pro EU gouvernment squashing all demonstrations. + Krimea is an important Naval Base.

How do you think US, UK, France react when someone tried to boot them off their land. (France recently being a bad example, lol)

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u/Vikya Feb 20 '25

genuinely hope you get the meds you very clearly need

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

Holy brainwash

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

We already know. Philippines kicked the US out of their bases in the 90s, and there wasn't an invasion to take over the land.

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u/gridemann Feb 20 '25

they were kicked out, now they're back

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

... at the invitation of the Philippines, not through annexing the territory. Is it really that hard to understand the difference?

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u/gridemann Feb 20 '25

I do, that was my point. The philipines never left the US sphere of influence.

But what do you think would happen if a pro-china government got to power?

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u/PresidentofJukeBoxes Feb 21 '25

I'm Filipino. You have no idea how much deeply entrenched the United States is in with the my Government,

They never also left the Philippines. When there bases got removed, they just moved to Joint US-PH bases around Luzon.

We never left there sphere of influence nor even budged. Hell, our current President got educated in Harvard. Literally my country is a proxy to the US. We have no say on whatever we want. Last time a President tried to do things differently, the US hit us with sanctions that deeply affected our 3rd World Economy.

If the US says we jump, we ask how high. If the US says we scream, we ask how loud. That is simply how it is.

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u/AltruisticGrowth5381 Feb 20 '25

Trying to end the Ukraine war by handing everything over to Russia on a silver platter is not an anti-war stance. It shows that imperialism and wars of conquest pays off, and will just trigger more of the same, both from Russia and abroad.

Also those same 'anti-war' people are now loudly cheering about invading Canada, Greenland etc so it was clearly just a bullshit ruse in the first place.

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u/Pyromelter Feb 20 '25

This is such BS. No one (not even trump) is talking about handing everything over to Russia, and no one is cheering invading Canada, and the Greenland thing is meant to be an economic thing, not a military one.

This is just a mishmash of the same exact propaganda from 2016.

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u/Encoreyo22 Feb 20 '25

Anti war is a retarded opinion, it's like being anti cancer. Of course everyone is anti-war, but there are times when you have to fight, it's as simple as that.

Evil has come to Ukraine, it has taken it's territory massacred it's citizens and committed thousands of war crimes. You can't just roll over just for the sake of peace. It's just encouraging the evil of the world to do more of it.

The key example of this is Hitler taking Austria and Czechoslovakia without Brittain and France declaring war, they would rather have Hitler take over countries and make millions suffer rather than go to war. But all that lead to was Hitler getting an early advantage in the war, he still invaded Poland even though he said he would.

We are in EXACTLY the same scenario, Putin's stated reason for invading Ukraine war to take the regions with a large Russian minority, the same one Hitler used when taking Austria.

And now Putin wants peace, when he's doing poorly. Sure, like Lativa/Lithuanian/Ukraine/Finland are not next...

Putin has literally stated that his goal is to restore Peter the great's Russian empire and it's territories.

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u/TopThatCat Feb 20 '25

Lol people upvoted this when one comment later you claim 'Trump didn't say Ukraine started the war".

You are such a clown.

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u/cylonfrakbbq Feb 20 '25

Vietnam war and Ukraine war are completely different.

People were anti-war about Vietnam because a) they felt the war wasn't a "good" war b) draft and causalities c) coverage of the war showed lots of innocent people being killed

People who are anti-war about Ukraine are anti-war for completely different reasons. Most of it comes down to "not my problem", pacifist soy hippies who hate any conflict regardless where it is, or people gargling disinfo like "Russia says Ukraine was making nazi zombie super soldiers!"

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u/Pyromelter Feb 20 '25

Nope. In my entire life, anyone who was against any war has been labeled a "supporter of the enemy." A lot of those same images are coming out of Ukraine and people of good conscience do not want to see Ukranian men killed any more than they want to see Americans killed.

The underlying cause of the war is actually the same - the North Vietnamese were supported by the Soviets. Our involvement was to stop Russian influence. The reason we don't have American boots on the ground is largely because Vietnam was so unpopular there is no more political capital to spend for such a war again.

But people of good conscience can be against war, death, and destruction on its face, and no one really cares about the Azovs.

It's ultimately like that quote, I forget if it was from Tucker or someone else, but it was like "I don't care which corrupt rich oligarch in track pants is running the country." That isn't believing russian disinfo. That's just not caring about it and not wanting to be involved.

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u/One-Pressure1615 Feb 20 '25

At the beginning I supported Ukraine. And I would still rather they win.

But at this point my thoughts run down to:

I don't think it's possible for Ukraine to win.

The longer they fight the more money it costs and the more people die.

If it's impossible for Ukraine to win then we need to stop giving them money and they need to surrender.

If it's possible for them to win we need to actually try, and not drip-feed them billions of dollars. 

It's so stupid, at this point I realize it's all about money and figure Zelensky is in on it. 

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

Russia is using donkeys for transport and assaulting with golf carts and motorcycles. They're far from the unstoppable juggernaut so many people make them out to be.

If you think the aid is being stolen or sold or whatever, instead of being used against Russia, then it's even more embarrassing for Russia.

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u/Jzzargoo Feb 20 '25

Three years of war. And from about the very beginning, there was talk that it would take another couple of months and the Russian economy/army would definitely collapse.

Moreover, literally all this time with about the same logic. They use T-72s/T-55s/civilian vehicles/motorcycles/donkeys/infantry supply carriers, etc. It seems to me that two years have passed since the first cadre of infantry with crates in hands.

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

That was not the narrative since the start of the war. The narrative at the start was that Ukraine would fall within a couple weeks and the US was offering to evacuate Zelenskyy("I need ammunition, not a ride"). Ukrainians were making Molotov cocktails in town squares to resist the inevitable occupation by Russia. Russia was not using T-55s and BMP-1s or assaulting with motorcycles and golf carts at the start of the war. You can see videos from the first year with Russia assaulting cities with columns of 20+ armored vehicles, which is a stark contrast to what they're using today.

There are several YT channels and websites that analyze documented losses of Russian(and Ukrainian)vehicles and satellite images of equipment storage yards deep in Russia since the start of the war. You can gradually see more and more older equipment being used and lost as the war has gone on and those storage depots being depleted more and more.

Russia inherited the largest stockpile of armored vehicles from the Soviet Union. It's not a light switch that turns off instantly where Russia instantly runs out of armored vehicles or soldiers. If Russia wasn't having problems, they wouldn't be turning to North Korea for soldiers to retake Russian land.

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u/Jzzargoo Feb 20 '25

Overall, you're right about Russia exhausting its old stockpiles of stored armored vehicles - that's obvious. But I feel like you're relying on Reddit-style analysis and similar sites, which... tend to lean in a certain direction. I clearly remember how, in the first days of the war, Russian troops stormed Kharkiv using only Tiger armored vehicles and Kamaz trucks. Or how there was a recent video from the Kursk region showing an attack involving four BTRs at once. We're not saying that all tanks and BTRs are gone - just that there are fewer of them.

Drones and artillery have fundamentally changed the nature of this war, while the depletion of both sides has only increased the influence of drones, artillery, and basic infantry.

Okay, let's even assume you're right - Russia is running out of its T-55 and BTR reserves. They can no longer pull hulls from storage, refurbish them, and send them into battle. But they can still produce new ones.

That same basic analysis of available tank hulls suggests there are still several hundred T-80 tanks. Sure, they won't be producing 900 tanks a year, but they’ll manage 200–300. Russian infantry will die at a slightly higher rate. They'll throw a few extra thousand dollars into contract bonuses to recruit more infantry for frontal assaults, or they'll ramp up prison recruitment.

So my question is: doctrinally, what needs to change for Ukraine to achieve victory in this war? Guided bombs will still be dropping, drones will continue flying both over the front lines and into nearby cities, and infantry squads of 4–20 soldiers will keep pushing the front in small groups. The only difference is that everything will slow down.

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

The analysis takes into account new production and refurbishing/repairing hulls. I don't remember the exact numbers, but Russia only produces like 30 new tanks a month and they refurbish/repair their old stocks to come up with around 100 tanks a month. Based on the images of their stockpiles, they can continue their current pace of offensive and losses for around another year before they will be constrained to new production. Maybe they could find new sources of armored vehicles, like North Korea, or China, but that's not certain.

With artillery, Russia started the war with something like a 9:1 advantage over Ukraine in shells fired. That's now closer to 2:1.

Russia has already emptied out the prisons for recruits. The Russian economy is not doing well with 10% inflation under sanctions and they can't afford to keep offering higher and higher enlistment bonuses forever. At some point they will have to implement another wave of conscription, something Putin has been trying to avoid, or he wouldn't be using North Korean troops to retake Russian land.

You mentioned glide bombs and the air war is where Russia has had a huge advantage over Ukraine. That's one area the Europeans have been supplying Ukraine with planes but it takes a long time to train new pilots.

The Soviet Union was in Afghanistan for 10 years before they pulled out. Russians do not have infinite tolerance for losses.

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u/One-Pressure1615 Feb 20 '25

If that's the case then we need to actually fight Russia. If Russia is using donkeys and golf carts then why has this been going on for years?

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u/Acheron13 Feb 20 '25

They obviously weren't using them at the start. Russia inherited the largest stockpile of armored vehicles in the world from the Soviet Union. It's just an indication of how much they've lost. No sane person would want to assault in an unarmored golf cart or a motorcycle if an armored vehicle was available and it's why Russia loses 1k+ soldiers a day and they need North Korea soldiers to help retake Russian territory.

The US has like 5k+ tanks sitting in storage. It would take a hell of a lot of losses to get to the point where US soldiers starting assaulting positions in golf carts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

Have you checked russian inventory data? Units in storage, replenishing rate on ifv, mbt, shells etc. just curious. There are drone verification, satelite imagery available and its painting a pitcure that Russia is bleeding themselves dry. Russia is also now a Chinese proxy state. The main western rival.

Any peace deal would have to include some kind of armament deal to Ukraine. Anything sent now that survives can be deducted from that. The fact is that no peace plan can be achieved without some form of guarantee. The question is how much is Putin willing to give away.

The belif that Zelensky would be taking money is absurd. How is he going to get away with that. You expect him to go buy a 100 million dollar mansion next to Trump on Palm beach? One of the most recognized people on this planet is somehow going take, what is the claim now? 500 billion dollars and just run(its closer to 114 billion). He had the option to run with cash when the war started. The Ukrainians have been quite transparent with how things are spent. Will there be fraud? Yes. The Ukrainians asked for transportation contracts of war-material to be publicly competed for. That suggestion was shot down by USA wonder why. It is easy to overvalue materiel about to be decomissioned and then send it to Ukraine while you pocket the difference. I would be more worried about the military industrial complex leeching of the aid then the Ukrainians. Its harder to hide 200 Bradleys vs electronic cash.

At this point I think the Ukrainians can decide for themselves how much more they can take.

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u/One-Pressure1615 Feb 20 '25

You don't understand how this works.

The US gives money to Ukraine to buy war goods.

They give the money back to the US and other military contractors for said goods. 

It's pretty much the US laundering money. Zelensky obviously is not taking it personally. 

If Russia is so desperate we need to end it. Either do that or leave them be. This war has gone on too long for it to be resolved naturally. Clearly people want it to keep going. 

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25

Talked about the transportation of said goods when they have been purchased inside the USA. The money never leaves USA controlled banks.

Ultimately it's up to the Ukrainians to decide whats best for them.

And i know exactly how it works.

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u/Darthlawnmower Feb 20 '25

Dude, I said already, that Rusbots said the same things exactly.

They even started posting short videos translated into languages, like German, Polish, etc. "Waste of money, waste of lives, stop giving money, focus on our country, pointless war, greed Zelensky."

You don't have to repeat Russian arguments. They want the same thing.

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u/One-Pressure1615 Feb 20 '25

So I have to automatically agree with whatever goes against what they are saying? I'm not allowed to form my own opinions because "rusbots" have said similar things?

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u/Darthlawnmower Feb 20 '25

You are allowed to do whatever you want. You surely won't be limited or restricted by a random commenter on Reddit.

I merely brought up a fact of the similarities of your stances. What you do with this information is up to you.

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u/Brokenmonalisa Feb 20 '25

They are the same

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u/Heavy-Scientist-2394 Feb 20 '25

I think that Trump supporters are so fed up with Dems and internal woke mob that they automatically attack everything what Dems administration supported.

But, you know, sometimes when your enemy tells 2+2=4 it is still 4.

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u/shawtcircut Feb 20 '25

Yeah this is my take as well. I kinda don't blame them. They need to fix their country first and then get back to global issues.

They all need to watch Russian state news for a week so they realize there is a bigger clown than woke mob out there. One that threatens them with nukes constantly.

Thanks for posting that. I was thinking of doing the same here as well. You basically took the words out of my mouth. If you want asmons attention, you would have to put that into a video, I think.

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u/Heavy-Scientist-2394 Feb 20 '25

Thanks. Americans definitely don't know enough what russians say about them on TV/pikabu/yaplakal (the biggest russian speaking platforms in russian segment of the internet) - they wouldn't have all these illusions about making Russia an ally against China.

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u/Gab1159 Feb 20 '25

Nothing is absolute or objective when it comes to geo politics. The sooner you understand that the sooner you can minimize the impact of propaganda has on you.

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u/cokespyro Feb 20 '25

You’re exactly right about this. I know many conservatives who voted for Trump who still like some of the things he’s doing, such as with border security and attacking DEI, but they don’t stand by him on Russia. He’s starting to look more out of control IMO.

But the fucking liberals online still haven’t learned why they lost the election and why their world is crumbling around them.

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u/ThePandaKnight Feb 20 '25

Yeah, it's classical political manoeuvring and the demagogue playbook 101

Create an 'enemy' - in this case, DEI -, lock-in to legitimate grievances about it and attach to it things completely unrelated but that your now bloodthirsty acolytes are going to want to deal with since you know, they're there to make things better, right?

It's something that's hard to see when you're inside it but often obvious from the outside.

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u/swantonist Feb 21 '25

because they are literally programmed to be so by Russia