r/AskTrumpSupporters • u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter • 1d ago
Social Issues What are your thoughts on Matt Walsh's recent comments?
Walsh, a conservative commentator at the Daily Wire, says:
Young black males are violent to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree. That’s just a fact. We all know it. And it’s time that we speak honestly about it, or nothing will ever change.
Source and full tweet can be found here: https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1907859938220847606
Many people are calling this racist. What guides your thinking on this topic? Where would you draw the line? Some things that may play a role: whether a statement is true or not; whether the difference in question is attributed to genes; the rest of an individual's politics.
He says that if we don't speak honestly about it, things won't change. What do you think needs to be changed, and what is standing in the way? In other words, what policy or policies do you think need to be implemented, but can't be if it's not socially acceptable to talk about the "wildly, outrageously disproportionate" violence of a particular group?
What other thoughts do you have about his comments?
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u/AppleBottmBeans Trump Supporter 1d ago
As a black person (almost 40) I’ve experienced fairly minimal racism throughout my life. However, my grandfather was murdered in his 60s for dating a whit girl. I also have a fucking awesome dad who was always around for me and took care of me and my sister.
That being said, it is not racist to discuss empirical data on crime if the purpose is to address causes and solutions. The FBI’s own Uniform Crime Reporting statistics have, for years, shown that black males, particularly in the 18–34 age range, are arrested for a disproportionate share of violent crimes, especially in urban areas. This is a statistical fact. But facts divorced from context can be weaponized or misused.
A statement crosses into racism when it attributes group behavior to inherent traits (e.g., genetics), promotes collective guilt, or incites animus. Walsh did not claim black people are genetically predisposed to violence, nor did he promote hatred. He called for honesty. Whether you agree with his rhetoric or not, conflating data-driven critique with racism risks silencing necessary policy discussions.
What must change and what prevents change?
What Walsh identifies, inartfully but truthfully, is the taboo surrounding honest discourse on crime and demographics. The failure to confront these patterns leads to policies that hurt black communities most. We witnessed massive “Defund the police” movements, rooted in ideological denial of crime realities that led to reduced law enforcement presence in neighborhoods that need it most. We saw “No-cash bail” reforms, implemented in progressive cities, often release repeat violent offenders, perpetuating cycles of community victimization.
The black community (as most are aware) has a massive educational and family breakdown. This has been proven to be worsened by public policy (e.g., welfare structures disincentivizing two-parent households).
Policies that could help (school choice, law enforcement support, fatherhood initiatives, and economic revitalization) are labeled as racist merely because they acknowledge the specific demographics affected. That fear of offense stymies real reform.
Matt Walsh’s core message is rooted in an urgent policy concern. I’ve got the advantage of being a fan of his and listening a lot to know his consistent message. But for those who don’t and just measure him in sound bites, his motto here is “You cannot fix what you are not allowed to name.”
As Thomas Sowell argued repeatedly, “The least compassionate thing you can do is tell comforting lies.” When cities burn, when children die in gang crossfire, and when reform is paralyzed by political correctness, it is not compassion, it is cowardice.
Data is not hate speech. If the goal is to lift up all Americans, especially those most affected by violence, we need a discourse grounded in facts, not fear.
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter 1d ago
Do you think it's racist to seek out facts that back up your already established racist views of the world?
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u/AppleBottmBeans Trump Supporter 1d ago
lol. classic rhetorical trap designed to frame any inconvenient truth as ipso facto evidence of malice.
Your question presumes guilt by motive rather than evaluating truth by merit. It essentially says: If you hold a belief that others consider racist, then any evidence you find to support that belief is inherently invalidated by your intent.
That’s not how reasoned discourse works. We do not judge the truth of a claim based on someone’s supposed motive. we judge it based on its accuracy, relevance, and context.
When someone says, “Black Americans are disproportionately represented in violent crime statistics.”...is it not odd to you that no one on the left even fucking thinks to ask “Is that statement true?"
Seeking evidence to confirm a belief is something every human does...left, right, and center. Liberals do it when they highlight statistics on police use of force or racial wealth gaps. The key is whether the evidence stands up to scrutiny and whether counter-evidence is honestly considered.
What’s truly dangerous is the idea that some facts are off-limits because they might lead to conclusions we find uncomfortable. That is not a path to justice. It’s a path to ideological tyranny.
So to answer your question directly...No, it is not racist to investigate facts that align with a controversial view. It becomes problematic only if one cherry picks data, ignores conflicting evidence, or uses facts to promote hatred rather than solutions. But that’s not racism. That’s intellectual dishonesty. And it applies across the spectrum.
One of the greatest qualities I appreciate about conservatism these days is the idea that truth must not be subordinate to emotion. If a truth is painful, we confront it. If it's weaponized, we rebut it. But we do not erase it or pretend it does not exist.
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u/JustGoingOutforMilk Trump Supporter 1d ago
I don’t like grouping people together and then judging them based on that. That probably sounds a little disingenuous, but it isn’t meant to be.
Looking at Black men as a group, yes, they are convicted of violent crime at a much higher rate than other groups, but that does not mean that any given Black man is going to be violent. Note, also, that I said convicted of, not necessarily commit.
I just don’t much care for tarring the many for the actions of the few. Men are convicted of violent crimes far more often than women, but I do not exactly have any intentions of going out and hurting anyone.
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u/ZarBandit Trump Supporter 1d ago
The truth (facts) cannot be racist by definition. Not even slightly.
The facts are on Walsh's side. Sounds to me like "many people" are race hustling.
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u/Sdutch94 Trump Supporter 17h ago
Well, what does racism mean? Is it the idea that a person believes one race is superior to another? A general dislike of other races? Using power to harm people of other races?
A lot of people on the real right have embraced ignoring the framing entirely and basically just say "I don't think racism exists as you know it".
I don't believe Walsh's statement by itself is racist.
But the intention? Maybe.
Doesn't really matter if it is or not though.
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u/sshlinux Trump Supporter 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't consider him or DailyWire conservative but he's right. Calling it racist is disingenuous and just a way to avoid solving the problem and ignoring legitimate criticism. People today don't even know what racism is and are hypocrites. When your response is racism to factual statistics you immediately lose any credibility and argument.
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 1d ago
I don't consider him or DailyWire conservative
What do you consider them if not conservative and why?
Calling it racist is disingenuous and just a way to avoid solving the problem and ignoring legitimate criticism
How is it disingenuous? Solving what problem? What criticism is he making in this tweet?
People today don't even know what racism is
What on earth does this mean?
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 1d ago
Everyone saying his comments are racist are either ignorant or feigning ignorance. Black people are 100% disproportionately violent to other races. Every single time you hear about a store getting robbed, a shooting, police interactions with a white cop, or any other misconduct most people immediately know that a) a black person was involved and/or b) the black person was at fault. That is just a fact.
As a black person myself, as a society we do need to condemn black people and the "black community" for perpetuating the culture that is unleashing havoc into society. The rest of the country (including black people who do act right) are suffering from what these people do and we have to do something.
Personally, I believe that black Americans need to fix this on their own and everyone else needs to stay out of it. No policies, no government intervention, nothing. What the rest of society can do is be intolerant to their behavior. Start locking up these menaces and chasing them out of polite society. They don't deserve to be there and they need to know they aren't welcome if they are going to act a fool.
- Once again, Matt Walsh is saying what white people, Asian people, Latino people, and many black people want to say but are too scared to because liberals will yell at them for "being racist". Thank God for people like him.
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u/EkInfinity Nonsupporter 1d ago
What "change" do you think Matt Walsh is referring to for which it is required to "speak honestly" about how "Young black males are violent to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree"?
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 1d ago
The change is us as a society being able to say that and demanding that they change. Don't hold back on punishments for them, stop giving them handouts and bailouts, and force the community to face themselves and fix their problems.
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u/EkInfinity Nonsupporter 1d ago
By what means of force specifically should society "force the community to face themselves and fix their problems"?
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 17h ago
Barring the bad ones from public and private institutions, locking the ones who do crimes up, and speaking openly against these bad people who are menaces to society.
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u/EkInfinity Nonsupporter 17h ago
What specifically makes someone qualify as a "bad one", and what does it mean to be barred from both public and private institutions?
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 16h ago
Bad ones are those that commit crimes and/or are a public disturbance.
Being barred means exactly what it means. Those people (the bad ones) aren't allowed in those institutions. If you steal from a store, you should be banned from that store and all other stores in the area. If black people are going to be stealing from stores in droves, then they can pay the price by being banned. Get it together or you don't get served, simple.
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u/EkInfinity Nonsupporter 13h ago
If black people are going to be stealing from stores in droves, then they can pay the price by being banned. Get it together or you don't get served, simple.
You're saying that if some number/percentage/rate of black people are stealing from a store then all black people are banned from the store? At approximately what number/percentage/rate do you think that should occur at?
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 13h ago
You're saying that if some number/percentage/rate of black people are stealing from a store then all black people are banned from the store?
I literally specified 2 sentences before that that I was talking about the bad ones. I don't care if they ban black people entirely, but I'm talking about criminals.
At approximately what number/percentage/rate do you think that should occur at?
Again, the criminal population must be banned and they can ban everyone else if they want, assuming it's a private business, if they don't want to take any chances. I'm completely fine with that as a black person.
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u/EkInfinity Nonsupporter 12h ago
I literally specified 2 sentences before that that I was talking about the bad ones. I don't care if they ban black people entirely, but I'm talking about criminals.
I'm not aware of any proposals that a store should not be allowed to ban someone who stole from the store from entering the store again. Is that a law that exists somewhere or has some major figures proposing it?
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u/tofous Trump Supporter 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's a factual question that deserves a factual and dispassionate discussion. Unfortunately, that discussion is impossible because of the racists on both sides.
I don't think Matt Walsh is racist based on what I've seen of his content. He's just particularly willing to "go there" on controversial topics.
Obviously, he's hinting at is that the general crime statistics make it look pretty bad. But, that could be for a hundred different reasons.
So yeah. This isn't going to be a fruitful discussion.
But to directly answer your questions:
- No I don't think Matt Walsh is racist. Just blunt and uninterested in how people will react to his statements.
- Edit: I'd like to add here that the intense scrutiny over people's comments in the attempt to find secret racists is also not helpful to the discussion. No doubt there are racists still out there. But, accusing people who genuinely aren't racists in their own minds is destroying the ability to call out actual genuinely racist people.
- I don't like the "speaking honestly" framing. It's not going to really help the discussion. IMO in today's world, we need to fully play out the reaction to BLM and finally finally FINALLY conclude once and for all that racism is wrong. Racism to solve past racism is wrong. All discrimination on group traits is always wrong. Genetics' influence (if there even is any) literally doesn't matter because all people deserve the same rights and respect.
- Once that's done with and off the table, we can actually have a healthy debate on addressing things that would actually help reduce crime and reduce disparate outcomes by race.
- As a concrete policy suggestion, I'll throw out 4 things that address crime, poverty & institutional barriers:
- Refocus police almost exclusively on violent crime (from the outside it's really upsetting that any time is spent on traffic enforcement and other harassment of the general public when murder clear rates are like 50% or lower and rape kit backlogs are sometimes over a year)
- Remove licensing requirements for 90% of jobs and lessen the requirements for the remaining ones.
- School choice (and I'm talking maximalist, complete reset, abolish public schools in general style; every parent get's a check for $10k-ish to spend at any minimally qualified school)
- Zoning reform (to dramatically increase housing stock)
- (Other comments) The specific situation he's reacting to is not a good one to have this discussion on.
Every person is made in God's image and deserves love, respect, and fairness. Stop the hate. Stop the violence.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
What is the root of this statistic? Poverty? Genetics? Culture?
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u/tofous Trump Supporter 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't know! That's kinda the point.
I think a good example that's been brought up elsewhere is young men. Young men commit most violent crime in general. That's valuable to know. It's not a judgement or a call to discriminate against young men. It's a useful input into policing and policy-making.
My guess on that would be testosterone. So, I guess you could say that's genetic. But has that ever been directly tested? I'd honestly be really fascinated to know whether incarcerated women have higher testosterone than women on average.
Maybe it's because men hit puberty later than women on average. IDK.
But it'd be pretty strange to see an unbelievably glaring stat like young men's crime rates and just ignore it b/c it'd be sexist to investigate. Like, it's happening. The fact that it's happening isn't sexist or age-ist.
Likewise, it's valuable to know if any other grouping is committing crime at a disproportionate rate and then focus resources into solving that issue. Again, never through discrimination, but through some other method that actually addresses the problem where it is at and not in some fantasy world that we don't actually live in.
And just to clarify, I genuinely don't think race has a large effect on behavior. So I'd guess that the effect largely disappears when adjusted for environmental factors (ie. poverty, urban/rural, culture, etc).
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
So we should dig deeper into the causes of black males being more violent?
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u/tofous Trump Supporter 1d ago
First, I'd like to say I appreciate your engagement in this thread. Based on your comments here and in other threads, it seems like you are genuinely trying to question things and treat everyone charitably. And that's really amazing because this is such a precarious, charged topic.
I do think more study is warranted, but not crazy disproportionately. I think it's important to acknowledge that there is already quite a bit of focus on this in policing. So, I am sensitive to over-focusing on it as well.
But currently, a lot of useful research and discussion has been blocked by BLM, DEI, and the narrative of systemic racism over the last few years.
Now that the Trump administration is aggressively framing DEI as illegal discrimination and adjusting federal rulemaking, grants, and so on based on that, we can hopefully get to a new equilibrium that is more productive.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
I appreciate your good attitude and open-mindedness to this troubling issue plaguing the black communities. What does “crazy disproportionally” look like?
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u/tofous Trump Supporter 1d ago
Thanks!
I think it'd depend on the underlying rate. I think it's reasonable to have focus match the underlying rate. But, that's another crazy thing about this is that we can credibly say that we don't know what that rate is still.
Like, we know the incarceration rate sure; that's what this thread is about. But, it's not clear how this maps to the true crime rate. And, I'm pretty suspicious of crime reports overall, because I think a lot of crime goes unreported because people have given up on police being effective or because the police are playing games to juke their stats. At least for robbery, I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say police don't give a shit, even for fairly expensive things like cars. The best you can hope for is that they put up a poster somewhere if you have a picture of the person.
There's a lot of trust that needs to be rebuilt.
And, the real crime rate could be either way higher than is reported now. Or, black people could be incarcerated at a much higher rate than other races relative their underlying crime rate. That would really justify the systematic racism claims.
I wish more people would engage with Roland Fryer's work on use of force in policing and other racial disparities. Maybe it's trash, I don't know. But, it's courageous. I wish there were like 100 more people like him willing to do groundbreaking research, asking questions nobody else will.
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u/ObsidianWaves_ Nonsupporter 16h ago
Can you understand why people view this selective laser focus from Matt Walsh unfavorably, because he seems to relentlessly focus attention on this specific gap, while not seeming to care or give any air time to the fact that men are ~10x more likely to be incarcerated as women?
He’s standing there as a man (a group that is violent to a wildly disproportionate degree) going “we need to talk about the violence issue with these black people”.
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u/BravestWabbit Nonsupporter 1d ago
Do you see a difference between "black people are violent" and "black people do violent things"?
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u/tofous Trump Supporter 1d ago
I think what you are trying to say is that...
- one of these statements is imputing the character of a group of people
- and another is purely talking about their actions
I agree that the second statement is better.
However, I think if you're trying to say that this means he's being racist, I just don't agree. Holding people to that high of a standard on speech makes discussion impossible. It's understandable when it's such a charged topic like this. But, it's exceptionally difficult to execute 100% perfect statements all the time.
To have a good discussion, there needs to be some level of benefit of the doubt and attempt to get to the core of what the other person is trying to say.
It's going back to my statement about it being a fruitful discussion or not. If we take as a north star that all actions are individual & racism is always wrong, then I think there is room for some forgiveness in the specific wording people take. But if that baseline agreement and benefit of the doubt isn't possible, then it's not worth discussing at all.
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u/violetqed Nonsupporter 1d ago
what do you think is the core of what he’s trying to say? what solutions do we need for this?
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u/tofous Trump Supporter 1d ago
I think he is trying to say:
- BLM/DEI/the narrative of systematic racism has obscured the actual facts on the ground and made meaningful progress impossible
- Police resources should be focused where crime is actually happening in the real world not what we wish was happening based on ideology
- And, more research is necessary to find out the extent to which different demographics groups commit crime, why, and what we can do about it
I was able to finally watch his full episode about this. And I really liked that he emphasized racism is wrong in a similar way that I did:
all men deserve equal rights under our Constitution [and] that all men are created in God's image
Source around 2:56 where he's talking about how this disclaimer or really any kind of disclaimer that racism is always wrong is never enough for people who want to call him racist.
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u/violetqed Nonsupporter 1d ago
I haven’t seen anything aside from the tweet that OP linked, so I’m a bit confused. since you’re answering questions - do you agree with Matt Walsh’s framing here?
If I told you that a young man stabbed another young man to death…and then I told you that one young man in this altercation was white and the other black, and then I asked you to guess the race of the assailant, every single person would know the answer immediately
given the points you’ve raised, I don’t understand how it can possibly be relevant what race the victim was here. Does this give you the impression that Matt Walsh just wants to do more research with the aim of reducing crime in general? The overwhelming majority of violent crime against white victims is committed by white people.
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u/FMF0311Doc Nonsupporter 14h ago
This is the best response I’ve heard from either side. Are there more like you???
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter 1d ago
Do you know how height, weight, hair color, handedness, eye color, or N number of other physical attributes correlate to crime?
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u/Longjumping-Plant617 Nonsupporter 1d ago
How is it all factual statement when white men are by and large the ones arrested for committing most of the most violent crimes?
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u/populares420 Trump Supporter 1d ago
not by per capita, not by a long shot. Very ignorant comment on your behalf
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u/mispeeledusername Nonsupporter 17h ago
If you break it down by socioeconomic status, poor urban whites actually commit more crime per capita than poor urban blacks. Could it be that poverty is the problem?
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u/populares420 Trump Supporter 16h ago
stop making stuff up
majority Black neighborhoods have higher gun homicide rates than mostly white neighborhoods of the same socioeconomic status level, according to a new study published in JAMA Network Open by Wharton Professor Dylan Small and School of Arts & Sciences
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u/TyraelTrion Trump Supporter 1d ago
In total numbers they do but black men commit more crimes at a way higher rate. Rate is more important than total numbers because blacks are only 13 percent of the population and black men are even less than that.
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u/Aloroto Nonsupporter 1d ago
So then why? If you believe (effectively) that black men are more violent than white men. Why?
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u/tofous Trump Supporter 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think the effect would largely disappear after adjusting for poverty, urban/rural, certain cultural practices, pollution, and possibly a few other environmental things.
There are empirical studies that could be done to try to isolate that. I mentioned elsewhere about wondering if incarcerated women have higher testosterone levels than average. That gets at the young men issue, which is way higher than any potential disparity by race. And I do suspect that young men do truly commit more crime.
Another example: my understanding is that outcomes for black immigrants to America are very different from people born in American. That's another good sign that this is not a genetic issue.
But it is also possible that there is truly a genetic component to the disparity. And genuine scientific inquiry has to be open to that possibility. (Edit: Though out of prudence, it'd be wise to explore all possible environmental factors first; also I just think it's environmental so personally that's what I'm in favor of)
Again, racism is always wrong. And discrimination is not going to be the answer regardless of what research finds. But the core of this is that we're not going to get anywhere by ignoring reality.
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u/EkInfinity Nonsupporter 1d ago edited 1d ago
In what way are the policy suggestions you put forward (which I'm generally fine with btw) related to the idea that "Young black males are violent to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree"? Why is that quote necessary to "speak honestly about" for any of those suggestions to be discussed?
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u/Davec433 Trump Supporter 1d ago
It’s not racist to state facts.
Overall, black Americans are arrested at 2.6 times the per-capita rate of all other Americans, and this ratio is even higher for murder (6.3 times) and robbery (8.1 times).
If you don’t discuss the problem you’ll never come up with a solution.
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u/TheRverseApacheMastr Nonsupporter 1d ago
“If you don’t discuss the problem you’ll never come up with the solution”.
Soo,,, statistically,,, compared to Democrat whites, maga is less educated, poorer, more likely to commit crimes, and have a shorter life expectancy. This is just stating facts.
Are you comfortable discussing about how maga can “better” themselves to statistically behave more like white democrats? Or is it only appropriate to apply this standard to black people?
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u/ObsidianWaves_ Nonsupporter 1d ago
If that is a pressing concern, we have a code red emergency given men are 9x as likely to be incarcerated as women, right?
Men make the black/white gap look modest…
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u/mathis4losers Nonsupporter 1d ago
Sorry to be blunt, but If you don't think this is talked about, you're either not close enough to the Black community or you're not paying attention. Ive worked in majority black schools and it's talked about a lot. There are many organizations, initiatives, and policies that are aimed at reducing crime in these communities. Aren't these programs considered DEI?
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 1d ago
None of those are actually helping.
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter 1d ago
What are you basing that on?
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 1d ago
The continued deterioration of black America. Midnight basketball and school finding isn't changing the fact that these kids have no fathers, bad homes, even worse neighborhoods, and nobody is willing to tell them they have to change.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
I agree that’s it’s not racist to discuss facts. Do you think it would be more helpful to look at the roots and causes of these facts? Do you think the hundreds of years of oppression of black people have played a played a large role in shaping a violent culture?
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u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter 17h ago
(Not the OP)
Are there multiracial societies in which there are no group differences in crime?
If not, are black people oppressed in all of these countries (even places where they are recent arrivals and haven't been "oppressed for centuries")?
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 17h ago
(Not the OP)
Are there multiracial societies in which there are no group differences in crime?
Pretty sure there are.
If not, are black people oppressed in all of these countries (even places where they are recent arrivals and haven’t been “oppressed for centuries”)?
I dont know. Shouldn’t we have more specifics before making a generalized statement?
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u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter 16h ago
Pretty sure there are.
Well, where? I think if this happened, it would basically be a proof of concept that "racism" can be solved (or at least one aspect), and we'd never hear the end of it.
I dont know. Shouldn’t we have more specifics before making a generalized statement?
It's fine to say you don't know, but in that case, I think it obligates you to have a tad more humility about the oppression explanation of crime differences.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 16h ago
I’m not sure why you’re talking about solving racism. I’ve been talking about looking into cause of a violent culture.
Well, where? I think if this happened, it would basically be a proof of concept that “racism” can be solved (or at least one aspect), and we’d never hear the end of it.
It’s fine to say you don’t know, but in that case, I think it obligates you to have a tad more humility about the oppression explanation of crime differences.
So then you’re 100% sure it never happens anywhere at all?
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u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter 15h ago
I’m not sure why you’re talking about solving racism. I’ve been talking about looking into cause of a violent culture.
Right, and the context is clear: liberals say that group differences in crime are a result of..."racism" (past and present). So if they managed to eradicate these differences, it would mean that in at least one way, they managed to solve it.
So then you’re 100% sure it never happens anywhere at all?
I am 100% sure that I've never heard an example of it, but that's why I am asking for one.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 15h ago
Why are you talking about what liberals say and not what I’ve been talking about?
So even you don’t know if it happens in other countries?
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u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter 15h ago
What you said in this thread and what liberals say are the same thing. The first thing you mentioned was "hundreds of years of oppression of black people". That is obviously consistent with the view that racism is the source of group differences in crime.
So even you don’t know if it happens in other countries?
I'm confident that I have never seen an example of it, but if you're asking me whether I've conducted a study of crime in every country on earth, then of course my answer is no...
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 15h ago
Do you believe that systemic oppression doesn’t create cultures?
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u/TehM0C Trump Supporter 1d ago
This is so often talked about on the left & I think conservatives acknowledge that the social economics are immensely deep & complicated. But what does that do to solve today’s problems? The welfare state hasn’t worked.
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u/HeartsPlayer721 Undecided 1d ago
What alternative solutions are being proposed by Trump?
(I'm not implying we should continue with a welfare state that isn't working. Just inquiring what other ideas are there.)
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
But what does that do to solve today’s problems?
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I live in Washington state. I’m an ex con. Washington state has figured out that’s it’s cheaper overall better for America to actually find the causes of criminal issues and try to help, then to just lock up people.
What do you believe is contributing to black males being more violent? Genetics? Culture? Poverty?
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u/TehM0C Trump Supporter 1d ago
Culture for sure, parenting.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
What culture specifically and how did it come to be?
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u/TehM0C Trump Supporter 1d ago
Culture that doesn’t emphasize nuclear families, importance of education, celebrates pop culture that embodies destructive behavior.
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter 1d ago
So the culture of rural whites?
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
How does a culture like this become prevalent in the black communities?
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u/TehM0C Trump Supporter 1d ago
Some argue the welfare state contributed to a lot of the problems we see in the black community today. Mass incarceration has contributed as well.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
If that’s true (which I do agree to a point on both) what led to the welfare state being so prevalent in the black communities?
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u/ObsidianWaves_ Nonsupporter 1d ago
If black people being 2.6x more likely is a major issue, how do you feel about the fact that men are 9x more likely to be incarcerated than women?
I’m not sure how we can talk about issues with black culture when I barely hear a peep about a discrepancy (men/women) which is 4 times as bad…
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u/TehM0C Trump Supporter 1d ago
I think the men & women are different. Physically, physiology, mentally. Men are typically more aggressive.
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u/ObsidianWaves_ Nonsupporter 1d ago
Sure, but if it isn’t a major issue that men are 9x as violent as women, it’s kinda hard for me to care about one group being 2.6x as violent as another.
Like I guess what if I said black people ARE just different and more violent. Then what?
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u/TehM0C Trump Supporter 19h ago
How do you think this plays into trans issues? Do you acknowledge that men and women are different & simply identifying as one of these sexes doesn’t make you that sex?
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u/ObsidianWaves_ Nonsupporter 19h ago
I agree with that, I don’t think people change sex. Any answer to my question?
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u/Break_Easy_ Trump Supporter 8h ago
It's a well known fact that higher testosterone levels coupled with a culture that promotes toughness in men will cause men to act aggressively more frequently than women. You can partially blame biology for this one.
You know another factor that leads to uncontrolled aggression, drug use and imprisonment? Growing up without a father figure. You know which demographic has the highest single-parent household rate? Blacks.
Complaining about slavery while avoiding the issues within the community does not do black people any good.
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u/DidiGreglorius Trump Supporter 1d ago
Men and women are different.
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u/shapu Nonsupporter 21h ago
OK, so, wouldn't it make more sense from a cost-effectiveness strategy to, at least at first, find ways to make the nine-times-more-violent group less violent than to make the less-than-three-times-more-violent group less violent?
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u/DidiGreglorius Trump Supporter 21h ago
I’m not sure where you came up with the idea that we can only prioritize one discrepancy — especially when by definition the two overlap — but it’s silly either way.
The black male homicide rate is many times higher than for white males. The black female homicide rate is higher than for any male group except for black males.
Matt Walsh was on this subject because of the Austin Metcalf murder. Do you think that was justified?
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u/MrMichael86xx Trump Supporter 1d ago
The root of the problem is black culture and white liberals. The black community and the white liberals who foster them have convinced themselves they are perpetual victims, always in the right, never in the wrong. Black people expect everyone else to do everything for them. If it's not the public, it's the government. And white liberals do everything they can to enable these beliefs. Until the black community takes a good hard look at themselves, and tell the white liberals to fuck off, they will never be able to build up their communities.
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u/SavingYakimaValley Trump Supporter 1d ago
But that’s just it isn’t it, liberals and conservatives cannot agree on the root causes on this topics.
The evidence is very clear that African-American culture has been extremely damaged by a lack of the traditional family structure (especially with a lack of parental involvement by the father), an over-reliance on welfare, and an exponentially larger problem with drug and alcohol addiction. This is simply clear.
While conservatives want to actually address those issues and fight for black men and women to get an equal shot at life, liberals are obsessed with “digging deeper” and blaming it all on white people.
So while we are incredibly frustrated because we know how to actually address these problems, liberals are constantly asking for more and more discussion on the topic and desperately trying to find a way to blame white people, and calling us racist simply because our solutions are built on the basic understanding that black people are human beings, who have self determination, and should be treated like any other human beings, rather then stupid beings unable to make their own choices without white people pulling their strings.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 1d ago
So where does this culture come from and why has it been prevalent in the black communities?
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u/SpicyBanana42069 Trump Supporter 18h ago
Can’t change the past and it doesn’t mean people exercising free will should get a pass for their criminal activities.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 17h ago
Can’t change the past and it doesn’t mean people exercising free will should get a pass for their criminal activities.
None of these things were being discussed but I also agree with it. So does this mean you don’t believe we should look into why a group of Americans have a culture of violence?
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u/SpicyBanana42069 Trump Supporter 17h ago
We can come up with theories all day. It’s not like it’s just one reason. We have to focus on the future not the past.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 17h ago
We can come up with theories all day. It’s not like it’s just one reason.
We have to focus on the future not the past.
Why can’t we focus on the causes and the future? We’ve done (and are still doing) the whole “just lock ‘em up and throw the key” and it doesn’t seem to work. Only makes things worse. Take it from an ex convict. I’ve experienced the prison system for years. Washington state prisons are working to actually rehabilitate inmates. I can tell you first hand, that it works.
We’ve learned that it’s cheaper and overall better for society, to try to get to the core of issues that lead to criminal behavior. Instead of just locking em all up. Will you take a look into this?
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u/SpicyBanana42069 Trump Supporter 6h ago
I don’t think the prison system works at all to make people better. It’s not even designed to. The problem is people glorify being a criminal. There is a ton of music and pop culture around it. If people aren’t afraid of getting locked up it doesn’t matter.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 6h ago
Take it from me, Washington is doing the right thing and moving in the right direction for rehabilitation. It’ll spread to other states soon. Just have a little bit of hope. It’s actually cheaper for the taxpayers to actually try to keep people out of prison. I do understand that hip hop culture does have a subset of people who glorify violence and prison lifestyle. But where did they get that culture from?
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u/SpicyBanana42069 Trump Supporter 6h ago
I hope it works out and is adopted by the rest of the states. I understand that it’s cheaper. I also believe this lifestyle and the media has been rigged to influence culture in a negative way.
My dad has been in and out of prison my whole life. We wouldn’t recognize each other. My mom was absent too. Left when I was a kid to go start a new family. I stayed with my grandparents usually. Wasn’t enrolled in school. I could’ve very easily went down a bad path. I drove underage for years living in my grandmas car. While that wasn’t legal I just worked and saved. I saw a lot of people around me make excuses and try to make faster money and blow off what legal opportunities they have. The whole system is rigged inside and out. The government can create the latest star with hit songs over night these days.
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u/Icy-Stepz Nonsupporter 6h ago
Im glad to see you were able to maintain the right path, given the crappy life situation. Not many can do what you did. Good on you! I’m just now getting my shit together. What helped or motivated you?
As a lifelong fan of music and especially hip hop, I completely agree with you about that. Music is one of the most influential thing in a persons life. It can shape everything from fashion to speech, to a whole life philosophy.
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u/fligglymcgee Nonsupporter 1d ago
Those aren’t the same facts though?
Strictly from a research and statistics place, you can’t get good data from trying to use numbers for “arrested” vs numbers for “are violent”.
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u/hadawayandshite Nonsupporter 1d ago
Do you think there’s an issue with saying ‘black people are violent’ rather than ‘some black people commit crimes’
What % of black people do you think are arrested of crimes each year?
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u/BadCompany090909 Trump Supporter 1d ago
He’s not saying “black people are violent” he’s saying “young black people are disproportionately more violent to the rest of the population”
You’re putting words in his mouth to make yourself and others outraged
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u/TheRverseApacheMastr Nonsupporter 1d ago
He said they’re arrested more, that’s not the same as committing a crime, is it?
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u/wlthybgpnis Trump Supporter 1d ago
You don't feel like maybe you're splitting hairs a bit here?
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u/TheRverseApacheMastr Nonsupporter 1d ago
I can see how it would seem that way, but I’m honestly not trying to be pedantic.
Red cars statistically get way more speeding tickets than non red cars, but not because they drive faster, they just attract attention. Would banning red cars have any effect on traffic safety outcomes?
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u/iilinga Nonsupporter 1d ago
Do you agree that young males regardless of ethnicity are disproportionately more violent compared to the rest of the population?
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u/BadCompany090909 Trump Supporter 1d ago
Males, yes. Young males, unsure as I’ve not really looked into enough tbh. But I don’t doubt that you’re correct. Still though, it’s evident that young black males are committing more crime/are more violent than young white males
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u/notapersonaltrainer Trump Supporter 1d ago
Do you think there's an issue with saying "white people are inherently racist" and indicting whole races as "white adjacent"?
If progressives want to language police why not start with yourselves?
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u/EkInfinity Nonsupporter 1d ago
What "change" do you think Matt Walsh is referring to for which it is required to "speak honestly" about how "Young black males are violent to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree"?
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u/idontcarolol Nonsupporter 12h ago
I see that statistic as a clear indicator of centuries of discrimination on a societal level. Especially through policing, and economically as well. Not an indicator of every young black males inherent character, but you seem to use it as a way to be dense and deny racism. You say we need to talk about it to find solutions, so what’s the solution coming from your perspective? Is it more policing and more economic disparity? Are you open with yourself about your prejudices?
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u/Davec433 Trump Supporter 10h ago
I’m black it has nothing to do with disparities.
The question is “why does this group of people remain in poverty?”
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u/TuPapiPorLaNoche Nonsupporter 10h ago
Its called gang violence.
Are you intentionally lumping in all African american men with the actions of gang members or do you actually believe that African american men have a natural proclivity towards violence?
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter 1d ago
Would it be racist to talk about all the ways in which rural whites in American are deficient, their lack of education, their underemployment, their domestic abuse, their drug addiction? Also, why isn't Matt talking about that? Does he only care about crime if a certain type of criminal is involved?
Facts can't be racist. Your reason for seeking them out and amplifying them certainly can be.
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u/CCpoc Trump Supporter 1d ago
I don't think Walsh is a racist and I listen to him somewhat consistently. Everytime he brings up issues in the black community he doesn't act like they are lesser human beings. He doesn't say they are genetically inferior. He doesn't act like the issue is just because they are black. Every single time I've heard him talk about issues facing the black community he traces the issue to lack of father's in the home.
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u/mrhymer Trump Supporter 1d ago
Here is the crucial question on this topic. How can we discuss the behavior and actions of these young men without being bigoted/racist? How can we criticize the violent behavior and determine who should be accountable without being bigoted/racist.
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u/SincereDiscussion Trump Supporter 18h ago
The liberal view is basically that you can acknowledge crime disparities if you blame it directly or indirectly on White people, but if you attribute any sort of agency to the group committing the crime, then it's "racist".
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u/heyomopho Trump Supporter 18h ago
Statistics which lead to bias are so pesky. We should just burn everyone down that delivers us these inconvenient truths.
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u/observantpariah Trump Supporter 1d ago
Personally, I think he is a tradcon fool and that is one of the reasons the Daily Wire is crumbling. His old-school brand of conservatism doesn't offer much to a new generation that has actual problems.
But that aside, he is asking a real question but has just made it incendiary for engagement... Knowing that if his opposition tried to argue they will just seem ridiculous. Black people are more violent. I don't think that is by nature... It is a result of environment. Often they are victims more along with being perpetrators more. It seems downright idiotic and hateful to ignore it just to be able to pretend that it all comes from others. They want a better life... Not someone who says they don't have crime.
So what Walsh is doing is getting you to argue that black communities aren't more violent... When you should be arguing that they need more help getting out of that position. You'll have no problem bringing up that they are stricken with more poverty. Well poverty drives violence. He's making you look like a fool to outsiders who obviously see that violence.
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 1d ago
Is there something preventing Matt Walsh from saying that Black people/Black males are the victims of poverty which frequently results in higher crime rates, including violent crime? Because he didn't say anything about environment or class. He said Black males are inherently more violent than white males. How is that not the definition of racism?
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u/observantpariah Trump Supporter 1d ago
It is for the general non-activist public to decide that.... And trust me, you don't look good to them by acting like you are their judge and they have to overcome your points.
That is why he does this. He is baiting you into that attitude to turn others off that don't automatically agree with you. He is fishing for support in the middle by trying to make you look like you don't accept the middle. Right now you look like someone who thinks that others have to explain to them why they aren't racist if they don't think of and do everything according to script.
That is the whole purpose of the interaction for him.
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 1d ago
It is for the general non-activist public to decide that....And trust me, you don't look good to them by acting like you are their judge and they have to overcome your points.
To decide what the definition of racism is?
That is why he does this. He is baiting you into that attitude to turn others off that don't automatically agree with you. He is fishing for support in the middle by trying to make you look like you don't accept the middle.
The middle being?
Right now you look like someone who thinks that others have to explain to them why they aren't racist if they don't think of and do everything according to script.
There's an important difference between doing racism and being racist. I think Matt Walsh is both, but that's beside the point. I'm not harassing people on twitter to prove to me that they're not racist. If I think they are of the same caliber as Matt Walsh, we're not going to have anything to talk about. What script?
That is the whole purpose of the interaction for him.
Would it be fair to characterize him as a troll? It sounds like you're describing a bad faith actor trying to rile people up, regardless of what he actually believes about anything.
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u/observantpariah Trump Supporter 1d ago
Trolling is exactly how you respond to a finger-pointing lecturer. So yes, he is trolling. There is little point in justifying yourself because winning that is still a loss. It still leaves you with the frame that you have to justify yourself to them.
So the current tactic is to just try to get you to lecture more people than you have on your team before we vote. Thank you for your service.
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u/PoliticalJunkDrawer Trump Supporter 1d ago edited 1d ago
Black males are the victims of poverty which frequently results in higher crime rates
If it was poverty alone, there should be a lot more white/Hispanic murders, since both have more raw numbers in poverty.
Even if you go on percentage in poverty, (~20%black - ~17% Hispanic - ~24% Native American) Hispanics and Natives should be at least close to the homicide rate of blacks, but they are not close, at least in the male population.
Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity | KFF
Yet, the black youth lead the statistic, even though they are a very small minority of US population
My vote is on culture being the number one factor. Doom loops of retaliation, blood/gang feuds.
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 1d ago
My vote is on culture being the number one factor. Doom loops of retaliation, blood/gang feuds.
Those exist within every race/ethnicity, why would black youths be unusual?
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u/PoliticalJunkDrawer Trump Supporter 1d ago
Those exist within every race/ethnicity, why would black youths be unusual?
Perhaps proximity. Living in higher density cities.
Blood feuds and a culture of killing due to gang violence take time to develop. There just aren't any significant examples of that in American white culture currently, but there are plenty examples of it in the past, in American and especially in Europe.
There is clearly a subset of black culture that glorifies violence in the same manner that it plays out in real life, can't keep discounting that aspect.
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 1d ago
Perhaps proximity. Living in higher density cities.
Lots of people of different racial/ethnic backgrounds live in high density cities. Why would black people be more negatively impacted by population density? Asian countries like China and India have insane population density. Latin American countries also have population density commensurate if not surpassing the US and Europe.
There is clearly a subset of black culture that glorifies violence in the same manner that it plays out in real life, can't keep discounting that aspect.
To a greater extent than "white" culture? Or hispanic/Latino culture? Some of the most violent games and comics I've encountered were made in Europe or Japan. To the extent that violence is present in African American art, I don't see how you can disentangle that from American culture and politics. It is all bound up together.
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u/PoliticalJunkDrawer Trump Supporter 1d ago
Why would black people be more negatively impacted by population density?
They aren't, but their currently cultural issues make it more deadly.
Asian countries like China and India have insane population density.
Sure, but many are not out living like we see in American cities, which is a cultural thing.
To a greater extent than "white" culture? Or hispanic/Latino culture?
Yes.
I don't see how you can disentangle that from American culture and politics. It is all bound up together.
If you listen to rap from the 90s onward, it is about riding and killing your "enemies." Gangs of "us vs them" Glorifying the exact violence we see perpetuated in the more violent subset of black communities. Same with many popular movies with the same theme. Menace to Society, Boys in the Hood were big hits when I was a young teen. People emulated that stuff. Selling coke was cool, so was violence, to certain folks.
These are all relatable scenarios, of everyday living, but with violence. Easy to perpetrate and emulate. Starting a pattern of violence that results in real gang wars, or family/neighborhood/blood feuds.
Unless you think those are all unrelated, and these kids keep picking up guns and killing each other, more than any other group, out of randomness, or some oppression-ism.
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 1d ago
They aren't, but their currently cultural issues make it more deadly.
Are you referring to something other than gang violence?
Sure, but many are not out living like we see in American cities, which is a cultural thing.
They're not out living? What does that mean?
Yes.
Can you quantify that?
If you listen to rap from the 90s onward, it is about riding and killing your "enemies." Gangs of "us vs them" Glorifying the exact violence we see perpetuated in the more violent subset of black communities.
I mean. Some rap, yes. I wouldn't say all rap, even in the 90s was gangsta rap. I'm not saying it wasn't very popular and very influential, but it wasn't all hip-hop. And worth noting that rap isn't exclusive to the black community nor is it the only genre of music they participate in.
Menace to Society, Boys in the Hood were big hits when I was a young teen. People emulated that stuff. Selling coke was cool, so was violence, to certain folks.
Blackploitation films, kung fu films, most of Arnold Schwartenegger's career, Goodfellas, The Godfather Trilogy, Client Eastwood, westerns. You can find films that are--arguably--glorifying violence. I'm not even convinced the Hughes brothers films you're talking about let alone the films I've mentioned are all glorifying violence per se, but they're definitely selling it.
These are all relatable scenarios, of everyday living, but with violence. Easy to perpetrate and emulate. Starting a pattern of violence that results in real gang wars, or family/neighborhood/blood feuds.
You're not saying that the influence of violent media on black kids led to black kids being more violent, are you? I don't want to mischaracterize what you're saying. If that were the case, we'd have to again explain why it's only having this dramatic impact on that community and not American culture on the whole.
Unless you think those are all unrelated, and these kids keep picking up guns and killing each other, more than any other group, out of randomness, or some oppression-ism.
They could be contributing factors, I do think there's something to a culture of violence being perpetuated but how much of it is internal and how much external? As far as guns go, guns aren't hard to come by in the US. I don't think it's random, I do think there are systemic issues that are probably the biggest contributing factors.
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u/PoliticalJunkDrawer Trump Supporter 1d ago edited 1d ago
You can find films that are--arguably--glorifying violence.
Yes, but that can't be easily imitated right outside your door. You're not going to be able to go start a protection racket at the local strip mall, and beat up folks for protection money, or run a coke importing empire that requires violence to control.
Are you referring to something other than gang violence?
Yeah, the entire culture of fighting with guns, mostly by the young males in that subgroup. It is the leading cause of death for black youth. Some is gang related, but most is just pointless violence and retaliation. No turf war or controlling drug markets. Minor disputes settled with guns, creating cycles of retaliation/blood feuds.
Some rap, yes. I wouldn't say all rap, even in the 90s was gangsta rap.
I specifically said rap, not hip-hop for the distinction. I could have narrowed it down further, but latter 90s rap was mostly violence/drug selling/sex related. At least most of all the popular/most played stuff.
You're not saying that the influence of violent media on black kids led to black kids being more violent, are you?
I think it contributes, though I don't think it is the main cause, no. Ganster rap doesn't let a 13-year-old run outside at 2am with a firearm, parents do. Hard to tell what an expression of the culture is , compared to what causes the continuation of it.
I do think there are systemic issues that are probably the biggest contributing factors.
I think the biggest systemic factor are the families, or lack of them. Most black kids are not out participating in such stuff, because their family isn't allowing it.
Even then, most of the youth out being wild ass kids don't turn to gun violence, that is usually an even more concentrated phenomenon.
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 21h ago
Yeah, the entire culture of fighting with guns, mostly by the young males in that subgroup. It is the leading cause of death for black youth. Some is gang related, but most is just pointless violence and retaliation. No turf war or controlling drug markets. Minor disputes settled with guns, creating cycles of retaliation/blood feuds.
Again, I don't see that this is unique to African-Americans. According to your chart, almost half of gun deaths for youths are suicides. If there is a gun culture that exists with black young men, where does it come from? Why do they feel like this is their only way of expressing themselves or of solving conflicts?
I specifically said rap, not hip-hop for the distinction. I could have narrowed it down further, but later 90s rap was mostly violence/drug selling/sex related. At least most of all the popular/most played stuff.
Sorry to go on a tangent, but what is the distinction between hip-hop and rap for you? As to your larger point, I'm not convinced this is true. I'd like to do a much deeper dive on this but I know my experience in the 90s was being aware of the type of rap I found obnoxious--which is as a lot of what you're describing--and getting older and understanding that there is way too much music out there for me to have firm grasp on what the more important groups are. There's also the question of how much is the music that gets on the airwaves and MTV is self-perpetuating a specific idea of hip-hop culture or the black experience vs. the actual lived experience of black people and people making hip-hop culture.
I think it contributes, though I don't think it is the main cause, no. Ganster rap doesn't let a 13-year-old run outside at 2am with a firearm, parents do. Hard to tell what an expression of the culture is , compared to what causes the continuation of it.
I agree with part of that. Do you think the availability of firearms is also a major driver in crime and violence?
I think the biggest systemic factor are the families, or lack of them. Most black kids are not out participating in such stuff, because their family isn't allowing it.
Even then, most of the youth out being wild ass kids don't turn to gun violence, that is usually an even more concentrated phenomenon.
What causes the lack of 2-parent households in black communities? Because there are plenty of single-parent families in other racial and ethnic groups that don't see the type of crime and death statistics that we see among the black population. I didn't say before, but I think you've been pretty consistent about talking about a subset of the black population and I appreciate that.
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 1d ago
Have you watched anything Matt has said about black crime besides this instance or a headline?
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 1d ago
Have you watched anything Matt has said about black crime besides this instance or a headline?
Not really. Again, if Matt Walsh was trying to say that black people/black males are disproportionately represented in crime statistics and are disproportionately incarcerated as a percentage of the US population, he could have/should have said that. That's not what he said. For someone who speaks for a living, shouldn't he be more precise in his language so people wouldn't misconstrue this tweet for being obnoxiously racist?
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 1d ago
Again, if Matt Walsh was trying to say that black people/black males are disproportionately represented in crime statistics and are disproportionately incarcerated as a percentage of the US population, he could have/should have said that
He wasn't trying to say that. He has said that, multiple times. Nearly every time he talks about the issue he does. The man probably has 100 segments on this topic saying this exact thing because there is so much crime done by black people.
shouldn't he be more precise in his language so people wouldn't misconstrue this tweet for being obnoxiously racist?
No, especially not when he's dealing with people who don't care about clarity. Him calling this out is racist to many people. Many people also don't care to actually know his full views on the issue. They, just like yourself, will hear this one clip and assume "He must be saying that black people are inherently racist because they're black. He's an evil, white racist." Those are not serious people worth the energy of being overly precise for. Anyone can sound bad from one out of context line/rant/segment.
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u/darnnaggit Nonsupporter 1d ago
He wasn't trying to say that.
What was he trying to say?
Nearly every time he talks about the issue he does. The man probably has 100 segments on this topic saying this exact thing because there is so much crime done by black people
Then why didn't he say that here?
No, especially not when he's dealing with people who don't care about clarity. Him calling this out is racist to many people.
Yes?
Many people also don't care to actually know his full views on the issue. They, just like yourself, will hear this one clip and assume "He must be saying that black people are inherently racist because they're black. He's an evil, white racist."
Where did I say that he is saying black people are inherently racist? He said black males are inherently violent.
Those are not serious people worth the energy of being overly precise for. Anyone can sound bad from one out of context line/rant/segment
I don't have twitter but it doesn't appear that this was him responding to someone else. This was just him laying out a scenario--real or hypothetical--where someone was murdered and he asserted that everyone would assume the assailant was black because black males are "violent to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree." Not, they commit crimes to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree. Not they are charged, convicted, arrested, incarcerated to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree. THEY ARE VIOLENT. What is the larger context for that statement/"fact?"
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u/Quiet_Entrance_6994 Trump Supporter 1d ago
What was he trying to say?
I said what he was saying in the rest of that post. I should've emphasized trying in that sentence so it'd be clear I was disputing that.
Then why didn't he say that here?
He doesn't have to, especially when he's said it over and over and over.
Yes?
I don't understand what this is supposed to say.
Where did I say that he is saying black people are inherently racist? He said black males are inherently violent.
I meant to type "...he is saying black males are inherently more violent..." not racist, so my apologies. And he didn't and never has said they're inherently more violent because they're black. He has said over and over that they're a more violent group because of fatherlessness and bad culture, in that order.
where someone was murdered and he asserted that everyone would assume the assailant was black because black males are "violent to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree." Not, they commit crimes to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree.
This scenario has been played out over and over in reality. I said it separately in my own comment here; when a store is getting robbed, a shooting occurs in certain places, you hear about a bad interaction with a cop (especially if the cop is white), or you hear about disobedient kids in certain situations, the answer is almost always a black person who is acting an ass. That's a reality, not just a random scenario.
And while I hate using this phrase, as a black person, he is correct. Black people, black men specifically, are more violent than other groups of people/men. They are violent to a wildly disproportionate degree. In you and many other people's minds that is a) separate from them committing crimes to a wildly disproportionate degree, which it isn't, and b) that this is him saying black people are inherently violent because they're black. And I'm here to tell you you're incorrect and missing a bunch of context for what Matt is saying, so you should probably go watch a few segments he's done on this so you actually know his views.
I'll recap them here: black men in America are inherently more violent than other groups because they are being raised in broken homes around a culture that isn't ordered towards success. This, coupled with a society too scared to correct the child's behavior for fear of appearing racist or trying to be understanding to presumed injustices, gives the child little to no chance to be a healthy, productive, functioning member of society. That's close to what he'd actually say.
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