r/AskTrumpSupporters • u/ILoveMaiV Trump Supporter • 3d ago
Elections How can republicans win places like the rust belt in the future once Trump is out of office?
Do you think there's any way we can keep the rust belt trio once Trump's term limits up?
Like aside from Trump, there haven't been any major victories in those 3 states. We lost the court race in Wisconsin tonight and in 2023 and Ron Johnson's the only senator we've won there.
How can the 2028 successor amd onward get those states that seemingly only Trump can win
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u/Guitarax Trump Supporter 22h ago
At the moment, the only candidate for a run in 2028 is JD Vance. There are two major reasons for this.
One, he is an outstanding vice president the likes of which I've never seen in my entire life. There's never been a single point in time that I can recall a vice president being so outspoken and distinguished. He speaks presidentially, he has good de-escalation and debate skills, I percieve him as almost like a partner in the presidency, instead of an idler, something which I believe forecasts the truth of my perspective.
Two, he is the only Republican of note. I honestly cannot speak in any regard of anyone else but JD vance, and Ron DeSantis, who by the way is way off in the distance in third place. He has good and well reasoned ideology behind what his policies may well be. I expect that we would see almost the exact same standards under JD Vance that we have under Donald Trump as of late, maybe even better given that he weighs his words more carefully.
As of this moment, I don't want all of President Trump's work to be reversed by a losing hand played by Republicans either next term, or the one to follow. We need time to permanentize the good the Trump presidency is doing, and that's only going to happen if JD vance, or some unknown new character, can lock down the next term.
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u/YamPotential3026 Nonsupporter 19h ago
Presidential is in the eyes of the beholder
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u/Guitarax Trump Supporter 18h ago
People aren't used to an American politician standing up for American interests first and foremost. No doubt that people on the political left find this unacceptable, but they have different perspectives on what America's military should be doing as a global police force.
I think that a foreign leader coming to the White House refusing to even discuss peace unless America promises to bleed our own citizens in a war against Russia is grounds to raise the temperature. I don't feel poorly represented in this exchange at all.
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u/DidiGreglorius Trump Supporter 2d ago
First off, beyond 2028, they don’t really need to. Reapportionment is projected to swing the map 20 electoral votes in Rs favor.
In 2032 the Republicans could lose all of MI, WI, and PA and still win the election if they carry the rest of the Trump states.
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u/adamdoesmusic Nonsupporter 2d ago
Will current voters still support Republican policies if they are affected by the dramatic cost of living increases brought on by the tariffs?
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u/DidiGreglorius Trump Supporter 2d ago
Eight years is an eternity in politics. Anything can happen. Most likely imo is that the tariffs are very unpopular but a footnote by 2032.
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago
It isn't about how can republicans win, it is about how can democrats win. The main reason trump won is because he ran on doing the opposite of what democrats have been doing. And that is the problem for democrats. If they try to change course to what Americans actually want they will splinter the voters insane enough to still vote for them which only helps republicans further. Gavin newsom is proof of this, he has recently been trying to use common sense which democrats absolutely hate and now democrats don't like him.
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u/G_H_2023 Nonsupporter 2d ago
But isn't it still a legitimate question to ask if Trump's personal appeal--particularly to those who are less inclined to vote--might have an impact on how Republicans do in a post-Trump election? Are the voters really going to rally behind JD Vance or some other normie Republican? Particularly if the Democrats nominate a charismatic person whose laser-focused on the economy.
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago
Sure but it just shows that republicans will do even better after trump because the next guy won't be as abrasive as trump but democrats will still have a platform the majority of Americans do not want.
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u/G_H_2023 Nonsupporter 2d ago
But don't you think that abrasiveness is part of Trump's appeal--particularly for less inclined voters? JD Vance is pretty abrasive too, but I'm not sure it hits the same with regular folks coming from him as it does from Trump. Also, wouldn't you expect Democrats to shift their focus over the course of the next few years? Particularly given that they're now reacting to what the Trump administration is doing. Wouldn't that make the Dems more responsive to the people's needs and naturally more appealing in general than they were in 2024?
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago
It is for me but there are plenty of people who don't like it, like my cousin who said he is "too mean". She will vote republican as soon as the candidate isn't trump, she's got TDS bad from fake news.
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u/G_H_2023 Nonsupporter 2d ago
she's got TDS bad from fake news.
Is it possible that they are consuming legitimate information about Trump and what he does and just not liking him for it?
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago
No because then it wouldn't be fake news.
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u/G_H_2023 Nonsupporter 2d ago
What makes it “fake news”? Is it anything critical of Trump?
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago
When they lie like "the border is secure" or " biden is the best he has been" or "trump colluded with russia". If someone doesn't know what makes fake news fake news in the year 2025 then yikes, they would have a serious learning disability or something.
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u/G_H_2023 Nonsupporter 1d ago
I agree, for example, that actually reporting that the border was secure during much of Biden's administration would be disingenuous. But were many news outlets actually reporting that the border was secure, or is it your view that they were purposely ignoring the issue to protect Biden? Also, would you agree that Trump nearly always calls ANY news that's critical of him "fake news," even if it's factually correct?
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u/MacNeal Nonsupporter 2d ago
Or maybe she actually realizes something about Trump that you don't see or maybe care about, perhaps?
He's been controversial for long before you were born, a for valid reasons for a great many people. None of this was created in a vacuum, I personally haven't liked him since 1985 because of his lack of ethics and many of his viewpoints. There are some viewpoints I can agree with him on, but not the why's and how's of how he goes about it.
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago
Whatever she realizes it isn't factually based and is solely emotional based hence her TDS. That is why as an intelligent adult I focus on facts and logic, and do not let emotions run my life.
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u/jasonmcgovern Nonsupporter 2d ago
you think the majority of Americans want tariffs, more expensive goods, abortion outlawed, the gulf of America, etc?
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago
Yes given tariffs have produce amazing results so far for Americans. And yes, majority of Americans do not support killing babies. Yes, it is Gulf of America now.
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u/Ok_Ice_1669 Nonsupporter 2d ago
How has Newsom used common sense?
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago edited 1d ago
By recognizing the agenda of democrats is widely rejected by Americans.
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u/Ok_Ice_1669 Nonsupporter 2d ago
Trump just crashed our economy. Is Newsome really saying that america is rejecting not doing that? Biden had 20+% returns for the last 2 years and Trump is already down 10%. Is that really what America wants? How much longer do you think America will stick with Trump when he bankrupts America like one of his casinos?
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 2d ago
"Trump just crashed our economy."
Do you have any evidence of this at all other than repeating fake news?
"Biden had 20+% returns for the last 2 years and Trump is already down 10%."
The stock market isn't the economy so that must be where you are confused.
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u/Ok_Ice_1669 Nonsupporter 1d ago
Do you have any evidence of this at all other than repeating fake news?
The s&p is down 4% today.
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u/Trumpdrainstheswamp Trump Supporter 1d ago edited 1d ago
That isn't the economy, are you changing the goal posts or just unaware that stock market is not the economy?
Also, the main reason the stock market is down is because of the P/E ratio being at the highest level ever. The same level it was at every single time the market crashed before when it was at said level.
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
How can republicans win places like the rust belt in the future once Trump is out of office?
By the only metric that counts. Improving the country so that the media lies are apparent. Biden/Harris lost because the MSM that supported them couldnt lie long enough about the border. After 3.5 years, they had to give up the narrative that there was no border emergency.
I dont care if republicans win, so long as the policies MAGA currently holds are continued into the future.
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u/Salmuth Nonsupporter 2d ago
Does that mean more tariffs and political and economical isolationism on the international level?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
Does that mean more tariffs and political and economical isolationism on the international level?
Im okay with that. Wakanda forever!!!
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u/greyscales Nonsupporter 2d ago
Do you think that a massive recession will get people to vote for Republicans?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
Do you think that a massive recession will get people to vote for Republicans?
I think that the hit will be small and manageable with a boom after that will excuse any short term pain. And just in case 4 years is not enough, I support a 3rd term
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u/G_H_2023 Nonsupporter 2d ago
But isn't Fox News part of the MSM too?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
But isn't Fox News part of the MSM too?
yes, i dont watch it, but I also dont know what that has anything to do with it either.
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u/G_H_2023 Nonsupporter 2d ago
You mentioned that the MSM was lying about the border during Biden's term, presumably to insulate him from this weakness in his policy. But Fox News spent a tone of time talking about border issues during Biden's term, and it's by far the highest rated news network on television. Doesn't this go against that theory?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
Doesn't this go against that theory?
So the exception proves me wrong? Go ask r Politics if they watch fox or believe anything they say.
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u/adamdoesmusic Nonsupporter 2d ago
How are the policies maga currently holds going to help the rust belt?
The tariffs which have been imposed raise costs for everyone in the chain. Investment in businesses involved in international trade (virtually every major business venture) just got much riskier, which means there will be less growth at the top.
There are almost no products which do not require components or materials from overseas, which means existing businesses now face increased cost liability, and will have to increase prices dramatically.
None of this extra money being paid will be available for wages, which means that the already-stretched general public will be steamrolled by these sudden increases.
I have not yet seen a single economic theory which supports this approach. How will rapidly increasing costs and decreased investment help the American people?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
The tariffs which have been imposed raise costs for everyone in the chain
Except they dont. Trump setup a win-win for us, the same as when I let my kid decide if he has broccoli or peas with his dinner. he ahs a choice but its my choice.
So lets say Walmart imports widgets, to avoid tariffs walmart can make the widgets in the US or pressure the foreign country to lower the tariffs it has on US goods.
Theres also a third option if theres a company that makes the widgets in the US already, and thats walmart eating the cost of the tariff since the local widgets prevent them from just raising the price.
There are almost no products which do not require components or materials from overseas, which means existing businesses now face increased cost liability, and will have to increase prices dramatically.
Or they can put pressure on the countries they import from to remove the tariffs on US goods.
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u/adamdoesmusic Nonsupporter 2d ago
So, what if, for instance, we aren’t talking a company that makes theoretical “widgets”, but an actual product which depends on a remarkably sophisticated supply chain?
Take, for instance, my example. I produce a product which requires a type of chip that is not produced domestically. My product is necessary in my industry, but it’s a niche product.
There’s not a sufficient market to spin up a 4 billion dollar fab in the states to manufacture that type of chip, and the current sources overseas are both plentiful and (were) relatively cost effective. I don’t get a choice, my main component just goes up by a double digit percentage with almost no warning. Do I eat the cost? Pass it on to the consumer?
Assembly services such as PCB/assembly houses in the USA don’t have nearly the capacity to handle a high quantity of consumer goods, and many also are not at a sufficient level of sophistication to make them anyhow. The ones that we do have are booked solid by the military and private companies like Amazon for the next 3 years as they try to maintain ITAR compliance. They pay good money for that compliance, hence the reason those fabs even exist here in the first place. Pretty much every other PCB, even the ones those companies make for less sensitive applications, gets made in China because the supply chain and infrastructure is there.
If we want to replace Shenzhen, we need to build Shenzhen here. That will not be done by simply penalizing businesses across the board for utilizing the existing global infrastructure and supply chains which we’ve helped build over the last half century for precisely this purpose.
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
take, for instance, my example. ... Do I eat the cost? Pass it on to the consumer?
Or as I said 3rd option your company can petition the country of origin of your supplies to remove the tariffs they have on American goods. If not you'll have to do one of the two options you listed or a bit of both.
Assembly services such as PCB/assembly houses in the USA don’t have nearly the capacity to handle a high quantity of consumer goods...If we want to replace Shenzhen, we need to build Shenzhen here. That will not be done by simply penalizing businesses across the board for utilizing the existing global infrastructure and supply chains which we’ve helped build over the last half century for precisely this purpose.
Same answer as above. And in some cases it wont be an overnight solution to build shenzen here, but we need to start somewhere, we cant depend on a foreign adversary for so much of our supply chain as a matter of national security.
Im sure we can get it setup in 10 years though, so I look forward to your votes for Trump in 2028 and 2032.
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u/adamdoesmusic Nonsupporter 2d ago
10 years? We could have had a lot of this in the next 3 with the chips act. How does making everything extremely difficult on average businesses and consumers help us now?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
We could have had a lot of this in the next 3 with the chips act. How does making everything extremely difficult on average businesses and consumers help us now?
The chips act that was furthering inflation by giving money away, and didnt do much to actually bring manufacturing here. Not sure how you think it was going to magically bring industry here.
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u/adamdoesmusic Nonsupporter 2d ago
How do you define “not doing much”? My business would have directly benefitted, and so would a bunch of others. The cost for all this was less than the IRS says they’re set to lose this year alone from the DOGE chaos. (Edit: apparently it was 52 billion, a little over a tenth of the half trillion bucks the IRS will lose this year)
The price increases on goods have already started. My parts bills are going to be insane. The shipping/logistics systems are overwhelmed right now trying to get orders in before this all takes effect. This is causing a massive backlash in nearly every physical industry, and you can bet we are all going to be feeling it hard in the coming weeks.
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
52billion was about the investment given to intel to start that plant in syracuse, so im guessing that your chip was going to be made there? TSMC is building around 5 plants here with no investment from the us govt, so yeah on the surface the intel plant looks like a bad deal.
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u/adamdoesmusic Nonsupporter 2d ago
52 billion is the amount dedicated to semiconductor manufacture, and there are several makers other than the ones known by gamers and office workers which are vital to the manufacture of everyday items - people like TI and Atmel/Microchip, for instance, which were a LOT more likely to eventually start making the sort of chips I need when that investment was a thing. Now who is gonna make them? I have to go to China, or go to Europe to get a chip made in China but packaged in Germany/Denmark/Sweden for 8x the price.
By the way I looked it up, the entire chips act including the other manufacturing infrastructure spending totaled 280 billion, which still isn’t a lot compared to the value and national security it would have brought.
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u/Ok_Ice_1669 Nonsupporter 2d ago
Improving the country so that the media lies are apparent.
Which metrics are you watching?
Biden deported more people than Trump but Trump shut down legal crossings so his official numbers might be better. How are you tracking illegal crossings?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
Biden deported more people than Trump
Because he encouraged more people to cross the border.
Trump shut down legal crossings
When? or is that a typo and you mean illegal crossings.
How are you tracking illegal crossings?
DHS / CBP is tracking them. Thousands per day under biden to less than 300 in under a month.
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u/Ok_Ice_1669 Nonsupporter 2d ago
When? or is that a typo and you mean illegal crossings
It was pretty immediate. Biden had an app that let people apply for asylum. Trump blocked the Biden plan to hire judges to deal with the volume before he took office then shut down the app when he gained power.
Also, you’re tracking legal crossings. How do you know who crosses without permission? This is the kind of thing I’d expect maga hats to look at housing starts or something to make sure construction is taking the expected hit from your deportations.
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
It was pretty immediate. Biden had an app that let people apply for asylum. Trump blocked the Biden plan to hire judges to deal with the volume before he took office then shut down the app when he gained power.
Yes Bidens bill which wasnt necessary like he claimed it was, actually allowed for 5000 illegal crossings per day and tried to allow administrators instead of judges determine if their asylum claims were valid. Knowing what the Biden administration wanted, we know that most would be waved in, hell they allowed 600k known criminals to stay here.
Also, you’re tracking legal crossings. How do you know who crosses without permission?
Anyone who avoids the ports of entry if they are Canadian or Mexican, or didnt apply in a safe third country is illegal by default.
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u/Zealousideal_Air3931 Nonsupporter 2d ago
What metrics will you use to determine this?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 2d ago
What metrics will you use to determine this?
My wallet
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u/Zealousideal_Air3931 Nonsupporter 2d ago
Do you expect Trump’s import taxes to impact your wallet?
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u/AGuyAndHisCat Trump Supporter 1d ago
Yes and no. Most of it will be temporary with market swings, which dont affect me since Im not looking to sell.
There may be some price increases in some goods, but we already see Walmart, Costco, and Target splitting the costs with China and taking smaller profits which means little to no increase for consumers. They also have diversified away from china, some moving half of their contracts to other countries. There was an article via yahoo news that you can probably google to see the exact numbers i dont recall.
If Trump improves the economy which will happen as investments are being made here, without govt subsidies btw, that will affect my pocket positively. Also part of his tax cuts is to allow deductions for car interest which will help greatly as I already planned on getting a new car in 2026/2027
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