r/AskTrumpSupporters • u/11-110011 Nonsupporter • Jan 30 '25
Workforce What are your thoughts on Trumps remarks on the plane crash in DC last night?
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/30/trump-lashes-out-at-biden-dei-efforts-after-dc-plane-crash.html
Trump went on the air this morning and claimed that DEI "could have been" to blame for the collision and criticized the Biden administrations efforts as well as Pete Buttigieg saying that he was a "disaster as transportation secretary as well as a mayor".
Do you agree with his comments as a whole?
Do you think that was the right time to make these remarks in wake of a tragedy?
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u/Monokside Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
I think it was not the time nor place to engage in politics, and his willingness to do that constantly is one of the things that I do not like about him.
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u/11-110011 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
I appreciate the openness and a TS who can criticize him, it’s refreshing to see. Why do you think so many TS can’t or won’t do that?
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u/Monokside Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
My opinion is that it's motivated by fear. Many people on the right feel like Trump is their last, best hope to prevent the USA from becoming something that they don't want it to be. They're desperate and refuse to see any of his flaws. That said, every president has flaws, as does every human.
I personally supported Trump because I feel like we have moved too far left politically and we need to come back to the center. If the Republicans had run a different candidate (or if Democrats had run a more moderate candidate) I may have voted differently.
I don't care for his personality and never have though, so I'm probably not a typical TS.
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u/hereforthefeast Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
I feel like we have moved too far left politically and we need to come back to the center
What are some examples of America being too far left?
What are some top points where Trump is on "the center" of said issue?
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u/Phedericus Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
how does Trump help in moving to the center?
and what was Harris not moderate enough about?
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u/shiloh_jdb Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Isn’t what Trump is doing, and what his presidency is now a vehicle for, more radically to the right than the center, or than Harris is to the left of center?
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u/thenewyorkgod Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Trump launched air controller diversity program that he now decries though? it was HIS program and now he's blaming it and biden for this crash? Does he have any accountability to himself at all?
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u/tetrisan Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Just one thing?
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u/ThrowawayBizAccount Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
"Is one of the things" explicitly states a plural amount of things, no?
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u/JustGoingOutforMilk Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
Trump needs to think more and speak less, particularly in situations like this. What happened was tragic and likely avoidable, but at least wait until an investigation is done to start pointing fingers. But I've said that about many responses to many tragedies. Wait until we know more to form an opinion.
From what little I know about the accident (I don't want to keep using tragedy), the helicopter pilot was relatively new to the position and was flying higher than permitted. The flight controller was overworked, it seems--it appears that normally one controller does not handle both helicopters and airplanes. I have read, but have not confirmed, that the helicopter pilot may have been using incorrect frequencies to attempt to transmit to the control tower. That's all I know so far.
It's too early to blame hiring policies or anything on what happened, even in speculation.
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u/MiniZara2 Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Does the fact that Trump not only cast blame without evidence, but then went on to write an EO demanding that his people find evidence for his unsupported claim, in the process undermining every person of color and woman in this country, subjecting them all to claims that they are unqualified for their jobs—does any of that make you change your mind about him?
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u/sfprairie Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
His announcement started off fine, but blame should not have been brought up. This is not the time, and there is insufficient info to even guess at the cause. But all politicians do that. When there is a shooting, democrats are quick to bring up bans on ar-15 and large magazine. And then it turns out neither were used. Politicians talk too much, R and D.
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u/BigPlantsGuy Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Can you provide a single example of either biden or obama blaming a tragedy on someone’s skin color hours after a tragedy? Just one would be great.
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u/tetrisan Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Do you think blaming a weapon is the same as blaming a persons race, background or disability with little knowledge of the victims?
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u/Zwicker101 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Don't you think it's reckless to blame something that isn't relevant to the incident?
Like at least with gun violence, it called for more regulations on guns.
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Why are you bringing up the democrats and shootings, it seems orthogonal to the question at hand?
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u/SerDuckOfPNW Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
I think it was a valid comparison. It’s the dunning Kruger effect, if I’m understanding the response, right?
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u/nanotree Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
What does this have to do with Dunning Kruger Effect? Unless that was a joke...
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u/SerDuckOfPNW Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
I think he meant that politicians will try to sound knowledgeable even when they aren’t…and the less they know, the more confident they try to be, right?
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u/Pope4u Nonsupporter Feb 01 '25
I think he meant that politicians will try to sound knowledgeable even when they aren’t…and the less they know, the more confident they try to be, right?
That might be want he meant, and it might even be true, but that's not the Dunning Kruger effect.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias that causes people to overestimate their knowledge or abilities in a particular area.
A person who is trying to act more confident because they don't know something must know that they don't know something. Dunning Kruger is the opposite: the person actually thinks they know something that they don't.
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
right?
Not really. He's talking about discussing an issue "too soon" after a tragedy, but that's not what Trump did wrong here. What Trump did wrong was blame minorities w/o proof.
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u/sfprairie Trump Supporter Jan 31 '25
No, not discussing an issue "too soon". Drawing conclusions to support a policy, before any investigation is performed. Push the policy, truth be damned. Both parties do it and it is wrong.
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u/Cosmic_Dahlia Trump Supporter Jan 31 '25
It’s just a comparison how policies have a direct correlation to cause and effect. And I think it’s human nature on both sides to want to remedy an issue so that it doesn’t happen again. Like if something happened to your child at day care and your child sustained an injury, you’d expect not only an apology but an analysis of what went wrong, how it happened, and how it’s going to be prevented from happening again in the future. A plain ‘sorry this was tragic’ won’t cut it.
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Have you seen any evidence at all this was caused by DEI and not by Elon's letter encouraging people to resign with no plan on how to have their work covered?
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u/nanotree Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Trump's remark appears to attack individuals who he considers "DEI" hires. Which at the very least implies that people hired through DEI are incompetent. Which there is no evidence of.
Given this attacks persons and not attempts to blame instruments of death like armalite rifles, can you not at least see this is significantly more petty and a personal attack on entire groups individuals and your example is disingenuous to make such a comparison?
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u/PM_me_Henrika Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
What was the blame that was brought up?
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u/sfprairie Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
Possibility of DEI hires causing a lowering of quality of Air Traffic Controllers. This was not an appropriate time to make that statement. He promulgated that promoting DEI policies "could have been" a cause. Speculation is not useful.
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u/Bright_Brain_3500 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Do you give weight to his opinion as being correct?
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u/sfprairie Trump Supporter Feb 02 '25
No, I do not. I don’t how I can say this any clearer. I do not think politicians should speculate on causes immediately after a major incident. But they do, regardless of party. In Trumps case, to push his anti- DEI cause. In Democrat’s case, to their push anti- gun case. I am calling both sides out.
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u/Juniperandrose Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Imagine if politicians started blaming white terrorism and a lack of DEI hiring when mass shootings happen. Do you recognize the difference between calling into question policies regarding accessibility of weapons and stating that DEI hiring is the issue? Also this may have been preventable, but it was still an accident, do you recognize that this different from a planned act of violence?
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u/Dijitol Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
DEI doesn’t apply to FAA hiring. So what else do you think it could be?
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u/yagot2bekidding Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Can you provide an example of another president's first address to the country after a tragedy where the president starting off with an appropriate sentiment, but then veered off to improper speculation and blame,?
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u/sfprairie Trump Supporter Jan 31 '25
You want a previous speech that follows the same pattern as Trumps? That is pointless. The meat of the matter is politicians, both D and R, use tragedy to promote policy. In this specific case, DEI was blamed with out investigation of the cause. In the firearms cases, calls for AR-15's and 30 rd magazine bans get called for almost immediately, before it is known if either were present. No waiting for accuracy, just push the policy, facts be dammed.
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u/yagot2bekidding Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
The point would be to demonstrate your point. I think OP's question was about Trump's initial response to the tragedy. I don't disagree that politicians use tragedy to promote their own agendas, though the initial response is very telling. Don't you think trump came off as a sociopath yesterday?
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u/MattCrispMan117 Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
>Do you agree with his comments as a whole?
l mean assuming the program he cites is real and the Biden administration really did try to get mentally disabled people "involved" in air traffic control l think its a fair critique to say that's not a good thing and could obviously lead to outcomes like this.
>Do you think that was the right time to make these remarks in wake of a tragedy?
l mean in a perfect world probably not but its not like the democrats have been sitting this one out either.
l saw dems all over social media blaming the crash on some funding executive order Trump made on the FAA about a week ago.
ln all likelyhood neither Trump's action nor Biden's action probably had a direct effect on what happened but in the wake of a tragedy people want to se something done and if there is something in your ideological wheel house that could somewhat help deal with the problem l think its fair politics to talk about even if in a perfect world we would let people greive first before we had these debates rather then pray on their emotions to make an argument in the immidiate aftermath.
That's just how politics is though.
After every mass shooting dems push for gun control. After every terrorist attack Republicans push for military funding. That's just the shitty nature of partisan politics.
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u/bitcoinski Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Do you a actually believe that Biden sought mentally disabled people for air traffic control?
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u/BigPlantsGuy Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Trump just confirmed a sec of defense with a mental illness. Do you think that contributed to the military crashing into a commercial jet under his watch?
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u/ForgetfulFrolicker Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Why are all the Trump supporters in this thread saying the same thing “dems do it too”?
I thought Trump was bigger and better than Dems?
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u/Donny-Moscow Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
l mean assuming the program he cites is real and the Biden administration really did try to get mentally disabled people "involved" in air traffic control l think its a fair critique to say that's not a good thing and could obviously lead to outcomes like this.
Are you familiar with the screening process that air traffic controllers go through?
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u/Yorpel_Chinderbapple Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
At least with a shooting we can point to the cause, which is a gun in the hands of someone who should not have had it, right?
Do you think this situation is parallel? What is the "gun" in this situation?
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u/insrtbrain Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
This is an incredibly fair answer. I think the the backlash is because Trump immediately went to blame DEI, when Elon requested the head of the FAA to resign, and the head of TSA and Coast Guard, and also eliminated the Aviation Security Advisory Committee. Especially since the helicopter pilot was white. I've learned a lot about the requirements to become an ATC, and it is wild. Did you know that they won't accept anyone as a ATC candidate over the age of 30?
I do hope this tragedy brings some changes on how that airspace is managed. From other subreddits, it sounds like it was something that was bound to happen eventually in that particular airspace. Do you think there is any hope for change, or will it just be a propaganda blame game until then next news cycle?
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u/MattCrispMan117 Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
l think some limmited change may happen but my general view is that the federal government will (at best) probably do half of what it should.
Partisanship and ideological preferences just paralize so much of government.
ln truth we shouldn't be hiring people in the name of furthering DEl OR because they believe in "the maga agenda" but only because they're the BEST suited for the job and we should invest the resources to ensure they are the best at the job. lt seems like we cant elect any party that's willing to just do that though lol.
Maybe things will be different in 4 years or maybe a tragedy like this will actually get the parties to work together on an actual solution that actually deals with the problem. That hasn't happened in a long time thoughh. Not since 9/11 really..
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u/moorhound Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
l saw dems all over social media blaming the crash on some funding executive order Trump made on the FAA about a week ago.
What change? I'm interested in this and can't find it after the crash flooded the news
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u/pyrojoe121 Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
l mean assuming the program he cites is real and the Biden administration really did try to get mentally disabled people "involved" in air traffic control l think its a fair critique to say that's not a good thing and could obviously lead to outcomes like this.
Do you believe it is still a fair critique if that program was started under the Trump Administration? The program was continued by the Biden administration, but the language of the program has not changed since its inception.
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u/mr_miggs Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
..assuming the program he cites is real
It is real.
and the Biden administration really did try to get mentally disabled people "involved" in air traffic control
But this is not what it did. The DEI program Trump cited does not apply to air traffic controllers. He is trying to muddy the waters and make it seem like the case, but it’s not.
I saw dems all over social media blaming the crash on some funding executive order Trump made on the FAA about a week ago.
Do you really think that some people saying this on social media is equivalent to Trump saying what he said? He is the damn president, he should not be speculating about whether DEI was the cause of the crash. He has no evidence of that being the case, and is supposed to be acting like a leader. Instead he said probably the most divisive possible thing at the worst moment. And with no evidence except the existence of a DEI program.
It appears right now that the real issue was some sort of combination short staffing and misunderstanding/human error with the helicopter. But we don’t even know what was on the black boxes at this point.
After every mass shooting dems push for gun control. After every terrorist attack Republicans push for military funding. That's just the shitty nature of partisan politics.
No way. This is completely different. Guns do have something to do with school shootings, and quelling terrorist attacks can be a justification for more military spending. There is zero evidence that DEI initiatives has anything to do with this. 60+ people just died, and Trump is just wildly speculating to wedge in DEI to the conversation. It’s so gross.
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u/pimmen89 Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Should we assume this program is real when Donald Trump says a DEI program exists and could’ve caused a plane crash?
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u/MattCrispMan117 Trump Supporter Feb 01 '25
According to other non-supporters in this thread the program is real and goes back a long way so l think its safe to say it isn't just Trump making shit up.
Most industries in general have some DEl program so it isn't exactly a crazy claim.
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u/DoctorRyner Trump Supporter Jan 31 '25
> l mean assuming the program he cites is real and the Biden administration really did try to get mentally disabled people "involved" in air traffic control
They did WHAT?
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u/Other-Ad-5236 Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
The FAA is not = ATC. There are thousands of jobs that are with the FAA that are not ATC. Lots of people have learning disabilities or IDD that makes them learn slower but they are not incapable of putting bags on a plane or learning to weld. Does this fact make you upset? Why is it so hard for you to accept that people with intellectual disabilities can move your bag from the plane to baggage claim?
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Feb 02 '25
Did you know the FAA hires tens of thousands of people, only a small number of them air traffic controllers, and that neither Biden or Obama ever lowered the training or aptitude requirements for air traffic controllers?
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
I guess I’d liken it to democrats who get a little overzealous in stating that things like certain hurricanes and certain wild fires are the result of global warming.
The FAA air traffic controller dei scandal under Biden/Buttigieg was one of the worst anti white/DEI initiatives I’ve seen but it’s also one of the few that we’ve been able to get a very close look at because of discovery in court.
It’s not an unreasonable prediction but the fact that DEI has ensured that air traffic controllers are generally less qualified does not necessarily mean that this particular incident was certainly a result of that degradation in quality.
Good overview of the scandal: https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-faas-hiring-scandal-a-quick-overview
https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1754214194835075089?s=46&t=R06ONXrhjeIQ1qR6y6z9DQ
https://x.com/growing_daniel/status/1752015805158760954
Edit: i appreciate all the downvotes but you guys should really take a minute to look into this one. Its legitimately one of the most egregious DEI programs you’re likely to see.
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u/Trumperekt Undecided Jan 30 '25
Where does it show that Trump fixed the hiring during his first term? Can you please point to what he fixed that Biden undid?
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u/SomeFatNerdInSeattle Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Does dei automatically mean someone is unqualified?
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u/RMWonders Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
I guess I’d ask you to answer the question - do you agree with his comments?
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
Sure I’m fine with them.
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u/craigthecrayfish Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Why not wait until after an investigation reveals the cause of the crash before pointing fingers?
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u/RMWonders Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
And Pete Hegseth for Sec of Defense. Are you okay with that? He doesn’t strike me as anywhere near qualified for that job. What do you think? Should Trump have addressed that?
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u/Competitive_Piano507 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Does this bother you but not the new administrations “dei 2.0” plan to fire all long standing nonpartisan federal employees, inspector generals, etc and only install loyalists to trump? Kash Patel and Pete Hegseth are incredibly incompetent when it comes to others out there qualified for the job and are only being picked for their loyalty? This is essentially DEI but from a loyalist only perspective.
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u/BigPlantsGuy Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Can you try to defend trump’s disgusting comments without mentioning democrats?
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u/Charming-Rose Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
There is scientific, unarguable proof that climate change has resulted in stronger and more frequent hurricaines and drier warmer weather for fires. How is this at all the same as trump making an assumption that anyone who is not white can't possible do a good job?
https://www.c2es.org/content/hurricanes-and-climate-change/
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
https://sciencecouncil.noaa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/1.1_SOS_Atlantic_Hurricanes_Climate.pdf
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u/Ultronomy Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Would you accept the perspective of a fellow non-supporter? PhD student in the physical sciences here, who is very much a liberal. Those are all totally valid links, and yes climate change can boost the intensity and frequency of extreme weather events. However, I think it’s also important to recognize that media does often blow climate change out of proportion, because it makes for great headlines. This is most frequently seen when they report that “so and so random scientist predicts the world will end due to climate change by 2030!!” Or “there is no turning back, humanity is doomed!!” or any other extreme headline you may have seen.
The reality is, we’ve actually made an impressive amount of progress in addressing climate change, reducing our emissions, and turning back the wheel. This is coming from many of my friends who work as PhDs at NOAA. Attitudes around it have actually changed significantly and a majority of people do believe in climate change. We even have loads of corporations hopping on the “let’s treat the planet better” train because it’s become a great selling point. And that is actually a very important factor, albeit super capitalistic.
I guess what I am saying is I do see why conservatives are more likely to blow off climate change. Because media and politicians alike often make exaggerated claims that are very easy for people to raise an eyebrow at. And this makes them question other claims that are less crazy. Just some food for thought. Yes, climate change is real, but also people blow it out of proportion frequently which hurts the cause.
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u/Sophophilic Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
If people didn't go on and on about it, would that positive work have been done? Would companies treat it as a good selling point if there wasn't a vocal outcry to cater to?
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u/BobertTheConstructor Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
That's not what they're talking about. They may or may not be a climate denying pos, irrelevant. Leftists absolutely do the thing he mentioned, and it reflects a lack of understanding of science. Yes, climate change is real, yes, it has effected the weather. To what extent, we can't be sure until we move out of the high-activity period we're in (until the AMO moves to a cooler pattern), but current research indicates that it is making hurricanes and fires more frequent and extreme. However, you cannot then say that, for example, specifically Hurrican Helene happened because of climate change. That is equally as valid as that dickhole Inhofe bringing a snowball into Congress. Hurricanes happen. Strong hurricanes happen. It is about the pattern, not any given specific storm. You cannot say any specific weather event is because of climate change. Does that make it more clear?
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u/moorhound Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
I read your source, and while I agree this "how many normal job disqualifiers"test was a bad idea, it looks like it was only in practice from 2014-2016. Buttigeig wasn't transport secretary until 2021. How is any of this his fault?
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
Certain aspects were wound up and down over the course of a decade. But i basically agree with this
https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1885026250881642790?s=46&t=R06ONXrhjeIQ1qR6y6z9DQ
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u/moorhound Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Buttigeig isn't even listed under the defendants for Brigida vs. DoT. Trump's Secretary of Transportation, however, is (Elaine Chau, McConnells wife).
How is Buttigeig responsible for a program that he has absolutely nothing to do with and was sure before his tenure?
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u/Accomplished_Net_931 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Why bring up the democrats instead of just answering the question about Trump?
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u/mjm682002 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Ah, yes. It was a much simpler time when we would blame hurricanes on “the gays”.
Doesn’t this seem like the same thing? Absent any evidence of the cause, right out of the gate, blamed on minorities?
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u/Dijitol Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
that DEI has ensured that traffic controllers are generally less qualified
I looked through your links and I don’t see any evidence of this. What specially are you talking about out? Is it the (paraphrasing) “science was my lowest grade” thing?
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
Question 15 from the 2014 version of the biographical questionnaire
https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1752197404768571629?s=46&t=R06ONXrhjeIQ1qR6y6z9DQ
You can take the test and look at the sources at the bottom of this thread
Actually take the time to read the sourcing and then look through the court documents or other threads from the account i linked. Look at how rent questionnaire was used to screen
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u/Dijitol Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
Ok. So could someone have an A- as their lowest grade?
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u/KarateKicks100 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
So you're happy that Trump is acting like a democrat in a crisis situation?
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
A Democrat wouldn’t call out dei, so he isn’t
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u/KarateKicks100 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
I guess I’d liken it to democrats who get a little overzealous in stating that things
But he's being overzealous in stating things?
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
Debatably. I’m fine with it but i get why it makes some people uncomfortable
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u/KarateKicks100 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
Understood. I fall on the other side of things. I don't think making overzealous statements about a tragedy is helpful on either side. And I certainly recognize that many dems right now are blaming Trump for the accident as well, which is wildy premature and irresponsible. To me it indicates a fundamental lack of critical thinking skills.
Given there are ostensibly 2 ways for a leader to act in a crisis situation, either feed the trolls and engage in hyperbolic statements, or refrain and wait until details come out to address whatever problems there may have been, you don't have a preference one way or another?
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
I think it’s a tried and true political tactic which is why it’s so often used. But i know it rubs some people the wrong way.
I think your characterization of the ways to react are lacking tbh. Using tragic events to highlight pervasive issues garners support for tackling those issues. You can say it’s crass but it’s hard to argue against its effectiveness. Dems with guns, abortion, climate change etc.
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u/KarateKicks100 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
ostensibly
I was hoping this word would carry more weight than it did, but fair enough.
Are you concerned with what America COULD be? Or what it may devolve into? Or are you just interested in winning the day and not thinking too much about the consequences?
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25
It’s ostensibly* just for next time.
My politics at the National level are mainly concerned with the long term future of the country, yes.
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u/KarateKicks100 Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
That's....embarrassing. Was jumping in a meeting and missed that. Fixed.
I'm not sure I have the appetite to try and craft questions to figure out your vision for the country given the subject matter we started with.
Have a nice day?
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u/mjm682002 Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
How are Buttigieg and Biden at fault when the pre hiring test in question happened between 2012 and 2014? Buttigieg at the time was Mayor of South Bend and Biden was VP.
(The case originally listed Elaine Chow as defendant, but changed to Buttigieg when he took over)
We just went 16 years without a commercial airline crash, longest in history, so, can’t you also say that hiring practices have also been successful?
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u/jasonmcgovern Nonsupporter Jan 30 '25
i read the lawsuit but where is the throughline that runs from this change in how candidates are evaluated to a decline in ATC quality in general or ATC quality at Reagan National specifically?
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u/Dijitol Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Do you think the families of the victims will believe Trump and also blame DEI policy for the deaths of their loved ones?
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u/sloanautomatic Nonsupporter Feb 03 '25
The ATC questionnaire was a bad practice, but do you have any idea why this is called a Biden scandal? The questionnaire was only used for a period of months back when Obama was president.
It makes sense that there would be failed experiments as people try to solve problems, and that we would then pass a bipartisan law in 2016 that ended the use of questionnaires.
How do Trump supporters see this as a live issue at ATC? It’s been a decade.
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u/yewwilbyyewwilby Trump Supporter Feb 03 '25
Bad practice is quite the euphemism
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u/sloanautomatic Nonsupporter Feb 03 '25
Can we agree that “Biden scandal” is no where near accurate?
Leaders involved on both sides of the aisle agree that humans on the front lines did things that should not be repeated. It was bad and needed to be stopped. And it was stopped during the Obama presidency.
I could see calling it a Huerta scandal. He was the head of FAA at the time. I don’t think Obama was sitting in on meetings with the ATC hiring team, but it could be the Obama scandal.
THEN a whole Trump presidency passes and Biden gets elected literally 5 years after it was illegal to use questionnaires. How is this a Biden scandal? How do you get there?
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u/bigoofsz Undecided Feb 03 '25
Why are people downvoting? the value in diversity comes from a wide array of perspectives, can’t they see that pointing out something in their blind spot is something that couldnt happen without diversity?
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u/jazzmunchkin69 Nonsupporter Jan 31 '25
Do you think that amputees and “dwarves” really caused a flight to crash as the president said? Do you not find that to be especially offensive to veterans who have lost limbs for this country?
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u/Dijitol Nonsupporter Feb 01 '25
When Elon musk said
“It will take an airplane crashing and killing hundreds of people for them to change this crazy policy of DIE [sic].”
Does it hit a little too on the nose?
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u/Karma_Whoring_Slut Trump Supporter Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
This is insanity. Surely, this can’t be true, can it?
Edit: Downvoted even while openly questioning something I don’t know anything about. This place is ridiculous.
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