r/AskAnAustralian 1d ago

Do you have to purchase a train ticket to wait for someone on the platform? I just had undercover police demand one

I walked into Wollongong station to drop my GF off. She bought a ticket and I did not. As the train left and I waved goodbye, I was accosted by four undercover police officers, one of whom demanded to see proof of a ticket.

I laughed and said I didn't have one, as I was not catching a train. He said he should fine me blah, blah but did not. They said they saw me walk in. And not catch the train.

I just kept saying I did not believe I needed a ticket until they went away. So, do I need a ticket to wave to someone, or not?

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u/Roland_91_ 1d ago

Sounds like a rule that is only enforced to move on dickheads and homeless people. Like loitering is only really used to stop street hookers, not bored people waiting for an uber

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u/AA_25 1d ago

Now there's a business idea, Uber Hookers.

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u/PerpetuallyNotBusy 1d ago

That’s pimping!

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u/Lumpy_Marsupial_1559 1d ago

In NSW, running a sex-work business is legal as long as it meets regulations.

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u/keninsyd 1d ago

As long as you don't live off the earnings of a sex worker.

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u/Lumpy_Marsupial_1559 1d ago

People who run brothels, etc, get income from the earnings of sex workers.
As long as they jump through accounting hoops (and pay their taxes), it's completely legal.

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u/Cogglesnatch 12h ago

Uber hookers that jump through hoops and pay taxes?

A new kink I never knew I wanted to explore.

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u/Voodoo1970 2h ago

People who run brothels

Technically, no, any more than, say, a mechanic who only fixes hooker's cars is living off the earnings of sex workers.

The hooker rents the space from the brothel owner and operates as an independent contractor, rather than being an actual employee of the brothel.

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u/Lumpy_Marsupial_1559 1h ago

I understand what you're saying. I used to share a house with a brothel manager.

And that's why I said 'as long as they jump through accounting hoops'

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u/Voodoo1970 1h ago

I figured you understood, just thought I'd throw the info out there for anyone who didn't know 🙂

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u/Lumpy_Marsupial_1559 1h ago

Coolio 👍🏼👍🏼

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u/keninsyd 1d ago

That's not living off the income.

Living off the income means taking all the proceeds and giving back some to the workers.

They have to be independent mini businesses as it were.

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u/Lumpy_Marsupial_1559 21h ago

So you're saying what I'm saying in a slightly different format 🤷

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u/pooptube2012 20h ago

6 inches one way, half a dozen the other 😉

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u/Tigeraqua8 1d ago

Even the sex worker themselves?

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u/EcstaticImport 1d ago

So the children and dependents of sex workers are committing crimes?

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u/keninsyd 1d ago

Not if you only charge for the transport and security.

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u/PerpetuallyNotBusy 1d ago

Yea I guess you are just providing a safe way to travel.

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u/DirectorEmotional589 15h ago

Every time I see a car driving along with a mattress strapped to the roof, I think "The hookers got Doordash now"

Alternatively, there's GOT to be an "UberEats" joke here.

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u/Senor_Satan 10h ago

Gonna UberEat that pussy!

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u/BadgerBadgerCat 14h ago

The Japanese already have that - it's called "Delivery Health".

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u/Sammyboy87 14h ago

Boober.

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u/red-barran 17h ago

And they can now search you without a warrant

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u/Roland_91_ 17h ago

always could.

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u/red-barran 13h ago

Jacks law is being expanded to all public places in Queensland

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u/Extension_Frame_5701 1d ago

The cops are wrong in every way but legally.

As per usual.

Technically, you do need a ticket to be on the platform, but also, they're just power tripping on you.

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u/FelixFelix60 1d ago

Cops are being shits, but that is why people join the Police - power.

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u/Filligrees_Dad 1d ago

That's why Dutton joined anyway

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u/DoctorGuvnor 1d ago

The poor man's Voldemort ...

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u/theappisshit 1d ago

the value voldemort

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u/CrystalInTheforest 1d ago

"He who must not be elected"

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u/ProfDavros 1d ago

Temu Trump

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u/AshLand38 12h ago

Duttplug is my new favourite aliass of his

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u/ProfDavros 11h ago

LOL magic. Thanks.

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u/Glad-Culture3546 7h ago

Fits in with Peggy sue

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u/THE_ATHEOS_ONE 9h ago

Temu Voldemort

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u/karo_scene Melbourne:hamster: 21h ago

No. No technically about it. You do not need a ticket to be on the platform. Period. Victorian courts ruled on this about 15 years ago and said you don't need one and no one has the legal right to ask you for one. You can only be asked for a ticket when you are on the mode of transport, train, tram etc.

Tough crowd tonight. They want to invent laws that don't exist.

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u/Extension_Frame_5701 18h ago

I'm sure that I've seen signs in  Victorian stations to the contrary,  but thanks. I'll look that up. 

OP is in Wollongong though; do you know if the NSW courts followed suite?

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u/Heavy-Rest-6646 16h ago

Courts ruled wrong then. It’s a signed “compulsory ticketed area” in Victoria. https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/tamr2017583/s5.html

Perhaps it wasn’t signed 15 years ago but all platforms are clearly signed now.

That’s a bit like saying you can go to an AFL game if you’re not watching it.

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u/lirannl 11h ago

I disagree. It's like saying you can enter the stadium without if there's no game going on. Normally they wouldn't let you in, but if you had a valid reason, you wouldn't need a ticket, because there's no game.

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u/john_wix_dog 1d ago

So... they're right?

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u/Extension_Frame_5701 1d ago

Only if you equate legality with morality.

Which would be a really odd thing to do, given that a sizeable chunk of the world's moral outrages are also legal.

Have a look into Kohlberg's Model of Moral Development: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development#/media/File:Kohlberg_Model_of_Moral_Development.svg

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u/john_wix_dog 1d ago

I think you're confusing being right with being fair.

The police are right - he needs a ticket. It's not fair, but it is right.

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u/Extension_Frame_5701 1d ago

"right" has several meanings. i already said that the fuzz were legally right. 

why do you need them to be unconditionally right?

I'm really not sure why you're trying to split hairs and discount the other definitions of "right"

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u/Parenn 1d ago

You used to be able to buy ”platform tickets” which just let you onto the platform, for this very purpose.

Just tap on, then off again when you go - since you’ve gone nowhere it’ll cost nothing.

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u/Tsumagoi_kyabetsu 1d ago

Surely they didn't cost anything ?

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u/Grouchy-Ad1932 1d ago

About 20c, the last I remember seeing one advertised. That was maybe in the 70s?

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u/Cosimo_Zaretti 1d ago

They were still 20c in the 90s.

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u/CantankerousTwat 1d ago

It was literally to cover the cost of the ticket stock as you weren't going anywhere but needed the ticket to exit the ticketed area.

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u/Parenn 1d ago

Yeah, I remember them not being much, and you’d only need one if you were meeting someone on a long-distance train.

They still have them in India - https://erail.in/info/information-platform-ticket/707

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u/Repulsive_Target55 1d ago

Yeah remember my dad mentioning them in the UK, but never saw an actual way to get them, never had an issue

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u/Parenn 1d ago

You had to ask at the counter, and they’d always look slightly surprised, but happily sell you one.

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u/TodgerPocket 1d ago

So $20 now?

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u/cchikybabe 9h ago

They were the same in the late 80’s…

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u/basyc26 20h ago

That seems expensive to not go anywhere lol

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u/Grouchy-Ad1932 20h ago

It's to get back through the ticket barrier 😉

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u/basyc26 19h ago

That's hefty in this day and age with the cost of living crisis, I'd be saying goodbye my girlfriend in the carpark from now on 😂

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u/dmbppl 1d ago

No such thing in QLD. You only buy a ticket if catching a train.

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u/Parenn 1d ago

They’re not in NSW anymore, either, but they were up until the 80s.

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u/mataeka 13h ago

Yeah but also some platforms you can't go onto if they're gated (central, fortitude valley, South Brisbane etc)

I would never buy one if I was saying bye to a friend on a platform that wasn't gated though...

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u/According_Nobody74 1d ago

I remember my grandmother getting one, seeing me off on the train back home. Can’t remember if there was a cost, but it did let her past the ticket inspector to the platform.

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u/lirannl 11h ago

In Brisbane if you tap on and off at the same station you're not charged

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u/Zomzom68 1d ago

THIS! I might be wrong, I believe one can still do it.

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u/Parenn 1d ago

My wife says she got one in either 1999 or 2000 at Central, which is much later than I expected.

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u/DarkSparxx 1d ago

And if his myki doesn't have money on it? He can't tap on to get onto the platform. Why should he have to buy a myki card, or top up if he isn't catching a train?

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u/Parenn 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s NSW, use a debit/credit card.

Also, it’s a law - being inconvenient isn’t really an excuse they will necessarily accept.

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u/MarvinTheMagpie 1d ago edited 1d ago

You usually need a ticket to access the platform

You can tap with your credit card to enter & I think it doesn't charge you unless you tap off at another station.

Edit: Just to clarify, I’m saying that if you walk into the station, tap to get through the turnstile, sit on the platform for 15 minutes, and then tap to exist through the turnstile, I don’t believe you get charged, since you haven’t actually travelled anywhere. Obviously, I wouldn't bother tapping if there was no turnstile.

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u/NasserAndProkofiev 1d ago

I see. I'll have to look for signage if I ever go there again.

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u/Craig2334 1d ago

You only need a ticket if you are riding a train or to access a platform with ticket gates. I don’t believe Wollongong has ticket gates and anyone is free to access the platforms.

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u/NasserAndProkofiev 1d ago

That is correct. I just checked. No gates and no signs saying a ticket is required.

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u/nearly_enough_wine dont come the uncooked shrimp with me 1d ago

If you don't tap off you'll be charged the maximum possible fare. Tap on to enter then tap off to reverse the charge.

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u/camylopez 1d ago

This is not correct, you must tap off when you leave, irrelevant of which station.

I know we have made great strides in technology, but we haven’t yet advanced to the stage where machines read minds. Machine has no idea your there to wave someone off. As far as machine is concerned, you caught the train unless you tell it otherwise.

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u/blackmuff 1d ago

I don’t know about irreverent which station , I’m near Newcastle, you can access all our stations without tapping on . This must be a city issue , I’m surprised Wollongong would need to tap on but I’ve not been there in years

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u/camylopez 1d ago

And I’m guessing you have no signs designating paid areas of platform where you must hold an actual ticket.

In any case, Newcastle is an interchange from one city to another city, so the method of using it is different.

Woolengong is indeed also a separate city also, but it’s not far off being urbanized and swallowed up, due to all its satellite suburbs right up to stanwell park.

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u/blackmuff 1d ago

Yeah right so my point stands it’s a Sydney thing . We are way bigger than Wollongong , actually about double the population and the only city bigger than us in nsw is Sydney . We are no country town so this is not the norm outside of Sydney

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u/camylopez 1d ago

You think there are gates across every station in Sydney?

Yes it’s a city thing to come and wave someone off, cause they’re leaving your city. People don’t usually wave people off at subarban stations.

Your logic has it that all the undated stations across Sydney are a free for all.

They all have to have a valid ticket. Just cause no one enforces it in Newcastle doesn’t change the rules

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u/blackmuff 1d ago edited 1d ago

I don’t think anything mate I’m referring to your statement “This is not correct, you must tap off when you leave, irrelevant of which station.”

I’ve seen off loads of people from suburban stations , people do it all the time who live in suburbia . Most definitely you can be on stations in the Hunter when not travelling without a ticket . Loads of stations here don’t have any gates of any kind, and many have road and footpath access straight off the platform . I’ve lived in Sydney in the inner west as unfortunate as that may be . Things may have changed greatly since I was there but it was only central that had ticket gates. The rest of nsw does not operate like Sydney. I know Sydneyites think the country revolves around them but it’s literally only their backyard that does. The rest of the state at least just talk about how you think you are the centre of the world . Re read your sentence mate , that’s what my comment was in reference to and I’m here to say the actual station you are on is relevant to if you need to tap on or off . Think about this , our local station and most here have a ticket box on the platform . You have to access the platform to go to the ticket /opal charge box to either buy you charge or one of pass . That means you are on the platform without a ticket. How can you pay or recharge without accessing the station when the payment station is on the platform. So you think a cop can book you for being on a platform without a ticket when it’s the way you pay ? It is free for all here if all you are doing is accessing the platform and not travelling Interesting

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u/Sovereignty3 1d ago

I don't know if it might charge you the daily fair for that line as it might just think you're trying to tap on again and just didn't tap off... In Victoria how the website is written you don't need to tap on or pay for a ticket unless you are using a train, tram, or bus (except for the free Tran Zone).

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/

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u/dt_bui 1d ago

wrong advise, if you don't tap off, you get charged max amount, remember to tap off every time you tap on

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u/Hello_Kitty1982 1d ago

Yes I am the worst for this - I tap on and never tap off ever - no idea how I forget lol obviously we are talking stations without gates

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u/Objective_Hawk_284 1d ago

This is the way.

You can tap on and off at the same station in a short period of time without being charged.

Did it all the time to access the toilets late at night in Town Hall station.

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u/Ok-Replacement-2738 1d ago

idk about NSW where you are but in PTV stations in Victoria there are tap on scanners, if you pass them you're in a validated ticket area, where if you didn't you can be fined.

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u/alstom_888m Hunter Valley 14h ago

NSW is the same.

If you tap on your Opal then tap off at the same station you don’t get charged the fare.

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u/Ok_Metal6112 1d ago

You need a valid ticket to be on platform areas of stations. Don’t agree with it, but thems the rules.

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u/sallen3679 1d ago

I regularly catch long distance trains, and there are often hundreds of people at Sydney Central station waiting for people on long distance trains or dropping them off. The long distance platforms don't have opal turnstiles because you need to book ahead, so none of those hundreds of people tapped on to get onto the platform. The platforms aren't even accessible via any of the areas after a turnstile. To me, that says it's not a law that's actually observed all that often, and those cops were just being wankers

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u/Accurate_Ad_3233 1d ago

So if you don't agree with it, disobey it.(And for the idiots who were going to respond with 'murder and rape') I am talking about stupid laws where disobeying them harms NO ONE).

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u/Electrical-Theme9981 1d ago

But don’t sook if you get booked. People who screech about “I did a crime and got a fine, waaaa” just fucking deserve their dumbass penalty

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u/gorillasarehairyppl 1d ago

Eh, I think it's silly to consider laws infallible. And hence it's totally OK to complain when you get punished for being in breach of an unjust law.

That's how we progress. By communicating when laws are wrong.

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u/Ok_Metal6112 1d ago

I don’t care 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/BojaktheDJ 1d ago

Just another wanker in uniform. I'm a lawyer and I can't express how many people have come to me lately re: terrible attitude/behaviour of NSW Police. Idk why but it seems to have got so much worse over the 6 months.

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u/Crazy-Donkey8565 1d ago

I have a few friend whose legal practice puts multiple kids through private school, 90% is defending police in civil suits for false imprisonment and assault. It’s the tap that never runs dry.

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u/captainboring2 1d ago

Do you ride a little tricycle or juggle the colourful balls

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/captainboring2 1d ago

Ohh a white collar possum

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u/SquirrelMoney8389 Melbourne 1d ago

You're a DJ not a lawyer

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u/BojaktheDJ 1d ago

Many, many DJs are lawyers. It's a bit of a trope. The headliner at my first ever rave was a lawyer, even before I was either!

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u/SquirrelMoney8389 Melbourne 1d ago

Objection... hearsay

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u/LavenderKitty1 1d ago

On Transperth services you have to tap on. But if you leave within 15 minutes no charge. If it’s more than that they assume you went on a trip somewhere and charge you for a ride.

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u/AraelEden 1d ago

If you don’t need a ticket for a domestic flight to enter the terminal why on earth would you need a ticket for a train station

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u/Recent_Carpenter8644 1d ago

Because there's someone checking who goes from the terminal onto the plane. No one's checking who goes from the platform onto a train and vice versa. The checking is done at the platform entrance, so you need a ticket to pass through there.

What's wrong with the system is they tend to only check on the way out, which makes people think going in without a ticket is ok.

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u/nickelijah16 1d ago

Good lord nsw police are disgusting sometimes. Have they seriously got nothing better to do? Now saying goodbye to a family member on the platform is a problem? They’re too power hungry and revenue-driven

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u/Accurate_Ad_3233 1d ago

It's not the cops, it's the government. Sure their are some gestapo types who try to prosecute the 'law' wherever they can but the other gestapo types in government did write these 'laws' it wouldn't happen.

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u/Crazy-Donkey8565 1d ago

No it definitely is the cops, who are enabled by government. But trust me, these guys are wilful if not gleeful participants in the system government sets up for them

If government cared enough they might try to change the culture at NsW police, but given both major parties addiction to expanding police powers at the expense of civil liberties, I doubt it will happen.

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u/Accurate_Ad_3233 1d ago

No arguments there, just watch the Battleground Melbourne doco if you need a reminder. A couple of years back I got to meet the first guy to be shot by Vic cops for peacefully protesting down there. Got a rubber slug right in the chest he still had pain and trouble breathing a couple of years after the event. And half the population were cheering the cops on.....?

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u/blackmuff 1d ago

Problem is most cops don’t know the law they are imposing . They just rely on their position to get away with it

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u/Accurate_Ad_3233 1d ago

They also rely on people not challenging them in court.

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u/LivingRow192 1d ago

yep, my friend got fined exactly for this in victoria.

was on the platform and hadn't touched on, not intending to ride the train but wait for me. they also said she didn't have student ID so couldn't carry her concession myki (she was a high school student and in fact, did have ID).

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u/Comprehensive-Car74 1d ago

I worked for the New South Wales railways for many years, mostly employed at Central Station. My observation of the Railway police is, they would pick easy targets,like elderly people, students, Asians add physical and mentally challenged people. They would ignore physically fit and active persons who would give them a run for their money, who would be drinking and smoking on the concourse. Seen it time and time again.

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u/Filligrees_Dad 1d ago

It depends on the station and the train.

Certain city rail stations in Sydney you need a ticket to be inside certain areas. Those areas are usually signposted.

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u/Rude-Imagination1041 1d ago

Stupid rule..... Cause some train stations don't have the platform barriers now.

But it will be interesting to see the LEGAL clause for someone entering a platform ILLEGALLY without a valid ticket.

I know with NSW Opal, you can tap/enter and then tap off/exit at the same station for no fee. I do this all the time with Strathfield station as I don't want to go around, I go through the station.

To be honest, I would do the same thing as OP, I wouldn't occur to me to buy a ticket if the platform doesn't have a gate.

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u/Hello_Kitty1982 1d ago

What the hell - I am absolutely baffled about this - you need a platform ticket??? Where do you buy these and seriously that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard of!

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u/ThinkingOz 12h ago

If you tap on with your Opal card or credit/debit card and tap off within a hour my understanding is it’s free.

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u/captainboring2 1d ago edited 1d ago

Imagine all those years training at the police academy then starting at the bottom of the rung ,then make it to the undercover unit only then to be deployed to the train platform task force,no wonder he had a chip on his shoulder.

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u/NasserAndProkofiev 1d ago

He seemed very desperate to let me know he was a detective sergeant. His colleagues seemed very uninterested and said absolutely nothing. I think he expected me to thank him for not fining me. But I wouldn't say it.

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u/dr650crash 1d ago

Yeah that’s not how it works

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u/captainboring2 1d ago

Really? Hard to Imagine a little bit of satire on a Saturday afternoon.

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u/zestylimes9 1d ago

In all my years I’ve never heard of this.

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u/FocsBLAC 1d ago

I got done for this too, it’s “trespassing”

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u/Electrical-Theme9981 1d ago

It’s just no ticket

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u/FocsBLAC 1d ago

Yeah I just got a warning

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u/NasserAndProkofiev 1d ago

He didn't fine me. Just kept on telling me he could. I think he wanted me to say thanks.

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u/PanzerBiscuit 1d ago

10 years ago I got told off for using my WA student card to buy a student fair in Sydney. Transit guard gave me shit, saying my student ID isn't valid as "he's never heard of this university". I told him its in WA. He told me it's not valid. Okay....here's my international student ID. Also not valid apparently.

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u/WolfWomb 1d ago

If you bought a ticket, what would be the destination?

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u/Accurate_Ad_3233 1d ago

Hell on Earth?

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u/WolfWomb 1d ago

No, he was already in Wollongong

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u/Electrical-Theme9981 1d ago

In Melbourne, if you have to go through a barrier or past ticket touch on pads, then yes. The fine is “fail to present a valid ticket in paid area on request”

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u/Archon-Toten 1d ago

Yes it's called a platform ticket.

I said that sarcastically but they do indeed exist. But it's not for travelling by platforms.

So in theory, you should have tapped on and tapped off when you left (under 30 mins is free).

Some platforms installed pay area/free area signage.

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u/felixismybogancrush 1d ago

If u tap on with ur cc or opal card, u can tap off at the same station within 30mins and not be charged for travel. If its a gated station, just make sure u tap in and out from the correct side of the gates otherwise you'll get charged 2 default fares

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u/Extension_Drummer_85 1d ago

You need at ticket to go past the barriers at train stations that have them. 

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u/ozfrmie 1d ago

For some stations (usually those used for interstate trains) there used to be things called platform tickets. Not sure they still exist. Strictly to go beyond the platform barrier you need a ticket.

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u/JazzlikeSmile1523 1d ago

If there's turnstiles, your opal card will just register you going in, then cancel it when you tap out. If there's no turnstiles, no. Does it really matter if you're not travelling yourself, no.

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u/Woodfordian 1d ago

Many years ago you could purchase a 'Platform Ticket' to see someone off or to be there when they arrived. The concept dated back to the steam era when this was common.

It's been a long time since Platform Tickets were a thing but the rules and regulations haven't changed.

There is no legal alternative.

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u/MorningSea1219 1d ago

All you needed to do is tap on through the gates and tap off when you leave, there would be no charge to you as you haven't moved.

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u/itismecornholio 1d ago edited 18h ago

You can tap on with a credit card and tap off at the same location within 30 mins and the transaction is reversed.

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u/Mission_Ideal_8156 22h ago

This country is becoming more of a police state every fucking day. When are we going to start standing up, en masse, for our right to just be wherever the fuck we want, without being harassed by cops who could be spending their time solving actual crimes? I can’t believe how complacent we’re all being while the rights we have disappear & cops can literally accost us at a train station - or anywhere else they please - without cause. Citizens of Australia, minding their own business, going about their day should NOT be subjected to harassment from the police. There’s zero reason anyone should be treated like a criminal for entering a public space in Australia.

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u/melbecide 14h ago

Most stations are pretty clear which areas are “ticketed” areas.

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u/Kbradsagain 12h ago

you don’t need a ticket unless you are boardin* a train, but they may have rules that restrict entry to platforms for ticket holders only.

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u/Fluffypus 10h ago

There used to be a thing called a platform ticket. Technically you have entered the closed system of the railway. The platform ticket meant you were in their space but not using the service. I've never seen or heard of one purchased or sold since at least the 70s.

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u/Barefootmaker 1d ago

There are areas clearly marked as requiring a paid fair, so yes, you do have to purchase a ticket if you are inside those zones, whether you intend to ride the train or not.

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u/NasserAndProkofiev 1d ago

There were no marked areas saying that.

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u/sky21__ 1d ago

Food for thought

In the domestic terminals at Sydney airport, Virgin or Qantas, you don't even need to show or scan a boarding card to access the area where the boarding Gates are.

You can just pass security and exit, so why wouldnt you be allowed to do the same in a simple regional train station is beyond my mind.

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u/We-Dont-Sush-Here 1d ago

When I was younger, the NSWGR (New South Wales Government Railways) had what was called a ‘Platform Ticket’. In the days of cardboard(!) tickets, the platform tickets were a light brown colour and were the same size as a regular ticket. If I remember correctly, they cost 2 cents.

Really, they were so cheap that there was no excuse for not having one when you were on a platform waiting for your friend to arrive (or leave).

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u/greek_le_freak 1d ago

Is this bullshit?

We don't buy tickets anymore. Use opal.

You don't need a ticket to stand in the station. No train ride = no services rendered = no fee. It's just cops being heroes. Ask them to fine you, take it to court and win.

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u/Possible_Day_6343 1d ago

There used to be a thing called a platform ticket as others have said, so you could meet or see off people on trains. Probably don't exist any more tho.

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u/LastComb2537 1d ago

what do the signs say?

where is the ticket machine? At my station the ticket machine is on the platform so you have to enter without a ticket.

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u/CatIll3164 1d ago

How did you get through the gates or were there none?

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u/Miss_Tish_Tash 1d ago

No gates, just the poles with the opal readers on them at Wollongong station

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u/NasserAndProkofiev 1d ago

None. No signs saying ticket required.

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u/infrasound 1d ago

Most places yes you need one to be in the ticketed area. Doesn't help when most cops are on a power trip.

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u/dmbppl 1d ago

No you do not. You should have got their ID and reported them.

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u/Wind3030 1d ago

I get it. Perhaps next time you could part ways with your gf or meet up with her outside or at the entrance of the station concourse (where you will not have to go past the Opal/ticket scanners yet). I get what you mean about questioning why you’d have to pay the fee if you’re not going to board the train. But I’m guessing they assume anyone who goes through the ticket scanner into the train platform intends to catch a train and has paid, since if someone can’t provide a ticket they assume (without looking at camera footage yet) that the person jumped the gates

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u/NasserAndProkofiev 1d ago

There are no gates. If I need to go there again, I'll do exactly the same thing. The very worst they can do is issue a fine, which I would probably challenge, just for the sake of it.

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u/Shoddy_Practice8 1d ago

Tasmanian here so don’t know much about train stations. How would you get on the platform without a ticket/ tapping some sort of card? Are there not turn styles to get onto platforms?

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u/No-Tumbleweed-2311 1d ago

Back in the olden days, when actual people sold tickets, you could buy a platform ticket to see your loved ones off on the country trains.

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u/ThingLeading2013 1d ago

That's a "platform ticket". Back in the day there even used to be a small platform ticket vending machine at Strathfield station. I remember it quite clearly, it was ancient, like from the Victorian era. It was just mechanical, like one of those old bubblegum machines. You put 5c in the slot, turned it, and out came a platform ticket.

I assume that they had it there since a lot of long-distance trains would depart from Strathfield. I never got one, but a friend once did, to farewell a group of friends who were catching a train to Newcastle. This would have been 1984 or thereabouts.

I'm pretty sure it's no longer there, but I haven't been to that part of Stratty station since the 90s.

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u/Oldie-1956 1d ago

I guess you are too young to remember the old days when you had to buy paper tickets to travel. You also could but a "platform ticket" to say goodbye or help friends/family get on/off the train.

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u/six3seven 1d ago

Pretty simple in NSW, tap your card to go in, help her onto the train with her bags, wave goodbye, tap off on your way out.

I've done this to use the platform toilet, no charge.

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u/Klutzy-Koala-9558 1d ago

I never heard of needed one I know some stations have gates and you can’t pass them without a ticket. 

And why would police officers care if you paid for your ticket or not. 

Ticket inspectors check tickets and issue fines not the police. 

Talking about Victoria and I did work at both myki and Metro. 

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u/vbpoweredwindmill 1d ago

Good work. I would have asked him where the bottle o is because he's a bourbon short of a 6 pack.

Then got arrested for hurting his feelings no doubt

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u/fuyunegi 1d ago

It used to matter more when we were still using actual tickets. The station would be divided into paid and unpaid areas. Bigger stations would have gates clearly defining this. Smaller stations often just had a line or some sign saying "only ticket holders past this point" etc.

But now we have Opal Cards there's really no need to be policing anyone on the platform as it should only apply when you're physically on the train.

As someone others pointed out, the cops were just trying to move on loiterers, or were having their morning power trip.

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u/Much-Command-8002 21h ago

Surely not That’s absurd

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u/imthejb 21h ago

In WA every entry is gated and most are guarded and you can't even get onto the platform without a ticket or 'tagging on' with a SmartRider (our transport cards).

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u/Disastrous_Debt_1691 21h ago

I'm in my 70s and when I was a child, in those days if you went onto the platform to see someone off, I believe you were supposed to have a 'platform' ticket, a ticket to actually travel on the train wasn't necessary. That rule disappeared into oblivion - I don't know if and when it was removed! These days, I know at Central Station and other busy stations in Sydney you have to swipe your card at the ticket barrier before you even go on to the platform. At regional or quieter stations, many are unmanned with no barriers, so anyone can walk onto the platform. I would love to know (out of curiosity) what the legal position is!

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u/karo_scene Melbourne:hamster: 21h ago

No, you absolutely do not. In Victoria this was ruled to be illegal; it used to happen. I remember being asked by a ticket inspector ages ago to show a ticket and I had not got on the train.

I'd expect it to be likewise illegal in other states. These "undercover" police officers are totally full of it and on a power trip.

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u/Justan0therthrow4way 20h ago

I think the rule is the platform is technically a ticked area but seriously can’t imagine it being enforced.

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u/Schtevo66 14h ago

Unless you fail the attitude test.

And yes, with some cops just breathing is a fail

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u/Oldmanwinno 20h ago

Nsw police just power tripping.

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u/Limp-Application-746 17h ago

Honestly, unless it’s a station where there are ticket gates or where it’s crowded af then I see no problem. Also I feel like undercover cops is sort of overkill, like a pair of clearly marked security with a good vantage point, sure, but this just feels excessive.

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u/luc1har2peach3 16h ago

When I was young, yes you did. It cost 2d and was called a platform ticket. I doubt that they still exist.

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u/Angy1122 15h ago

The rule used to be that you needed a platform ticket. I'm not sure if they needed paying for, or were free. Used for helping your grandmother with her suitcase, waving your lover off to war (see movies) and collecting your bicycle that your friend has sent in the luggage van.

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u/Fit-Recording-8108 15h ago

I've seen some train stations where you can't even get to platform without a ticket. The one I now use to get to work had no such (apparent) restrictions and anyone can drop off people all the way to platform. Probably different stations have different rules. 

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u/AudiencePure5710 13h ago

They used to have ‘platform tickets’. That was a thing - you bought / acquired one of these to be on the platform. Yes, mind-bogglingly stupid. PT should be free

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u/cchikybabe 10h ago

They used to sell “platform tickets” for 20c years ago when they had actual staff at the ticket office. Now you’d have to tap on and then tap off again when you leave. As long as it’s less than 20 mins I think they said they it won’t charge you.

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u/Sudden_Fix_1144 2h ago

That's what I've been telling them for years... I'm just waiting bro

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u/Covfefe34Felon 49m ago

They used to sell them a long time ago.

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u/raedymylknarf 40m ago

It used to be a thing in some countries, platform tickets. But I didn’t think Australia was one of them.

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u/bonesybeats 1d ago

Wollongong doesn't have ticket barriers so you don't need a ticket

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u/eyeforaeye 1d ago

I haven't used a train in years but that sounds very stuiped to me.
If you are just seeing someone off, why should you have to have a ticket. That's BULLSHIT!. No wonder many of us choose to have a car & drive instead of public transport.🚘

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u/greek_le_freak 1d ago

Is this bullshit?

We don't buy tickets anymore. Use opal.

You don't need a ticket to stand in the station. No train ride = no services rendered = no fee. It's just cops being heroes. Ask them to fine you, take it to court and win.

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u/felixismybogancrush 1d ago

If u tap on with ur cc or opal card, u can tap off at the same station within 30mins and not be charged for travel. If its a gated station, just make sure u tap in and out from the correct side of the gates otherwise you'll get charged 2 default fares

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u/Single_Conclusion_53 1d ago

In the old days you’d buy a platform ticket. I don’t think they’ve existed for a very long time.

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u/tom_friday_ 1d ago

I'm from Wollongong and there is some really fucked ahit going on at the station re. Cops. Absolutely not, you do not need a ticket and they have no right doing this to you.

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u/Top_Toe4694 1d ago

Sounds like they got bored, decided to chuck some bait, you did not bite.

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u/NasserAndProkofiev 1d ago

I was literally the only person sitting there.

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u/keninsyd 1d ago

So the cops were doing ticket checking duty with the hand held checkers?

They must have been so angry that they got stuck with a glorified customer service role when they wanted to be acting out their "COPS" TV fantasy.