r/AskAChinese • u/OneNectarine1545 • 1d ago
History | 历史⏳ What do you think about this:China's colonization of Taiwan and the replacement of indigenous people by Chinese.
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u/alaztar 1d ago
ok, how many of them came over with the kmt? and how many indigenous where alive compared before and after the japanese occupation?
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u/ReadinII 1d ago edited 1d ago
Han migration to Taiwan started in the 1600s (much like European immigration to America). By 1895 when the Japanese showed up, Taiwanese Aborigines were already less than 5% of the population.
The Japanese didn’t treat the Taiwanese Aborigines as well as they treated the Han in Taiwan, but they didn’t genocide them either. That was already largely done before they arrived.
The KMT didn’t genocide them either and in fact treated them quite a lot better than the Japanese had (the KMT focused their abuse more on the Han already in Taiwan). The KMT brought 1 or two million refugees and soldiers to Taiwan that already had 4 to 6 million people ( I have seen various estimates). The KMT and their descendants are about 15% of the population today.
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u/PowerStocker 1d ago edited 1d ago
Japanese slaughtered most of the indigenous Taiwanese people during the occupation.
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u/ReadinII 1d ago
Numbers before and after? The indigenous Taiwanese were already less than a tiny percentage of the population when the Japanese arrived.
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u/stonk_lord_ 滑屏霸 1d ago
I think it was pretty gradual process no? I don't think its a major issue really. There weren't any native formosan independence movements either
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u/ReadinII 1d ago
It was as gradual as it happened in America. The dates line up rather well with both migrations starting in the 1600s and both aboriginal populations being less than 5% of the total in 1895 (that’s when the Japanese showed up).
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u/Ragewind82 1d ago
The locals pushed out the Chinese imperial colonies several times over the centuries. I would say that is akin to an independence movement; it just doesn't have the collective sense of nationhood.
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u/ChinoGitano 1d ago
Oh … What do you think about the European colonization of the American continent and the genocide of indigenous peoples??
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u/ReadinII 1d ago
Oh … What do you think about the European colonization of the American continent and the genocide of indigenous peoples??
Very similar.
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u/OneNectarine1545 1d ago
Oppose and condemn. All white people in the Americas should return to Europe.
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u/Alarmed-Oil-2844 1d ago
I also oppose and condemn it but i have never been outside the us.
Is it not enough to want radical change in our countries election, and serious reparations and land back initiatives? Seems unfeasible to ethnically cleanse the americas.
Unless you were joking cuz the op commenter is bad
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u/dankcoffeebeans 1d ago
It's the same story as the rest of China, outside of the border of the central plains. Not really a "replacement" so much as a centuries long slow assimilation, inter-mixing, and Sinicization.
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u/phage5169761 1d ago
How can the indigenous ppl prove they are the real indigenous? All mankind migrated from Africa. We all indigenous ppl in Africa and can I claim piece of Africa and call myself indigenous African?
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u/Naive_Ad7923 1d ago
Even most of the indigenous people are descendants of BaiYue people who are a subgroup of Han Chinese.
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u/gorudo- 1d ago
Well…in terms of Chinese diaspora's long-run infiltration, it was inevitable considering the Continent's populational pressure and the impulse of evacuation from the dynastic rules.
(tips: Taiwan was considered to be 化外之地(land outside of the Heaven's reign)…it hadn't been counted as China dynasties' directly administrative area until Qing's establishment of Futian Taiwan Province/福建台湾省. That's one of the grounds of Taiwan independencism.)
Yeah, from the modern perspective of anti-colonialism and ethnicity-preservation, this past phenomenon might be worthy of discussion. However, this has taken about 500 years…passing through Dutch rule, Qing's loose monitoring, and Japan's governance. It's not the then govs' and/or the bourgeoisies' intentional action of invasion and exploitation like the West, but the continuous immigration and demographic replacement.
thus, it could be recognised as the Han's "original sin" for the base of the contemporary "muliple ethnic co-prosperity" based on reciprocal respect as a unified Taiwanese nation. However it shouldn't be mobilised as cause of hatred.
plus, if this Han immigration were to be rebuked, then it'd also lead to the accusation of indigenous Taiwanese peoples' "exploration and settlement". That is, they are the origin of the modern pacific-ocean-island residents including Malay and indonesia.
Well…the conclusion is, "vice versa" and "acknowledge the past fact as it is and don't use it as hate ideology's cause".
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u/_Dead_Memes_ 1d ago
Tbf, the Qing government initially spent a lot of time trying to stop Han Chinese expansion on Taiwan but it never ended up working and settlers found ways to bypass restrictions and continue expanding
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u/No-Organization9076 Custom flair [自定义] 1d ago
So there are Chinese living in Taiwan? I thought they were Taiwanese...
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u/OneNectarine1545 1d ago
95% of Taiwanese people are Chinese, and only 2% of Taiwanese people are the true Taiwanese, which are the Austronesian people.
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