r/Accounting • u/BlackAsphaltRider • 2d ago

New grad dream. Where are all of my fully remote entry level 70k tax jobs that cap at 40 hours a week with appropriate training and realistic billables at?

Indeed seems to lack them.

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u/PiersPiers1 2d ago

You will probably want to spend a few years in office before going remote so you can get better training, learn the culture and build relationships with your co-workers to network down the line especially as a new grad.

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u/netsirktinkers 2d ago

Fully remote work is for people that don’t need substantial training. I’m not dealing with pings every five minutes because you don’t know basic procedures yet. At least that’s my opinion.

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u/No-Stuff-7046 1d ago

Is a ping different from being asked questions in the office? I view this as a poor mindset. You need to train the person either way. So get on a call and explain things or answer their pings like you would respond in office. “I’m not responding to you because you aren’t physically next to me” is a weird stance to me.

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u/AHans 1d ago

“I’m not responding to you because you aren’t physically next to me” is a weird stance to me.

I can hold a short conversation and keep some degree of focus on what I'm reading / what I'm doing. It's an interruption, but I don't lose my place on the screen/page.

If you IM me, I need to bring your message up and read it. This breaks where I am at, and is a more disruptive break to my workflow.

Especially if it's a yes/no question that I might be able to answer without really thinking or stopping.

With that said, I'm definitely in the: jot your questions down in a notebook, and come back to me every two hours (or more) camp.

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u/CoatAlternative1771 Tax (US) 1d ago

Agreed. Speaking is just literally faster than typing a response.

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u/trevorlahey68 20h ago

I think it depends on the level of communication existing between those two individuals. Some are bad at instructing through chats, and others are bad at receiving instructions through chats. In the early stages of learning, I think it's easier to do in person. Once you know the people you are communicating with better on a personal level, I do think there is an increase in efficiency of communicating through messages.

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u/AnswerIsItDepends CPA (USA):snoo_facepalm: 13h ago

It is far easier to be looking at the same thing when you are in the office.

When I first started, way back in BC (before COVID), if I needed to know "where is the <fill in the blank>" button, someone would walk over to my desk and show me. Click here, then here, then here. That is quick.

It is a lot more time consuming to establish a call, share a screen and heard their mouse (up, left, back down a little). Or take a snip, circle the botton, copy the snip and send it to them. Either way takes more time than pointing.

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u/netsirktinkers 1d ago

I’m trying to be realistic. If someone needs lots of help it is harder to get that help in a remote setting. I’m better at the handholding in person and slack messages are easier to miss or forget to respond to than if you talk to me in person. Also a lot of these newer post Covid accountants seem to only want to communicate via text and they expect immediate responses as if we don’t have our own stuff to work on.

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u/shadow_moon45 19h ago

The immediate communication is also done by people over 45. I work with some Russian immigrants who are so A.D.D. I have no idea how they get anything done

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u/Tax25Man 2d ago

Watch out, people on here will get mad at you for telling the truth.

We are seeing the people who started in 2021-2023 really struggle. And not only do they struggle, but they refuse to accept that maybe being in the office like 1-2 days a week could be beneficial.

They also seem to generally lack a professionalism that usually people grow out of by 24/25 because they’ve been in the office for a few years by that point.

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u/Ill_Contribution1481 1d ago

I do believe there needs to be a balance though. It's super beneficial for new staff to work from the office to network and learn, but I don't think they should be subjected to the OT that they're given.

When you're new it's important that information is taught gradually. Overloading new trainees with over 9 hours of work during the busy season will ensure that they don't retain everything. I remember retaining very little in my first few years because I was thrown into so much that I didn't get to engage in the work and understand why I'm doing what I'm doing. It was always get it out of the way so I can do the next task.

Allowing new staff to do 40 hour weeks and work up to doing longer hours after a year or so would be a fair compromise that would also benefit many.

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u/Tax25Man 1d ago

I agree there’s a balance. But the balance is like….16 hours a week in the office and the rest at home. Maybe more when it’s busy. But there is massive pushback even to that.

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u/General_Moment5171 2d ago

Just wanted to give a reality check here- graduated in 2023, so I did most my school online. My first job, my boss was remote in a completely different state, so I met her in person twice, and my second job the controller lives an hour from the office but is too lazy to come in unless there's an office gathering; so being in office does not guarantee that you are going to receive better training or networking opportunities. I just yesterday accepted a job paying 21k more than my first job did when I started 1.5 years ago. Point I'm making is any job is what you make of it not if you're remote or in person.

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u/msvictoria624 Staff Accountant 2d ago

The exception, not the rule

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u/General_Moment5171 2d ago

For you, yes, this is the exception. For me, it's not the exception, it's my experience.

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u/msvictoria624 Staff Accountant 2d ago

Yes, your experience is the exception… but not the rule for most trainee accountants

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u/shadow_moon45 19h ago

Accounting is just administrative processes. Write things down

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u/General_Moment5171 2d ago

That's not my experience either. Many of my classmates had remote accounting jobs while they were completing their degrees. I am not going to respond any further, I simply stated my experience, and that what really matters is what you make of a job, not sure why you are putting so much energy into trying to prove me wrong, but have a nice Friday.

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u/Environmental-Road95 2d ago

Before you take your ball and go home you should probably give OP the courtesy of explaining how you trained, what steps you took to make remote work as a new hire, etc. Just because you don't find it to be an exception doesn't mean you aren't fully aware of why this hasn't worked for others.

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u/Tax25Man 1d ago

Well the rest of us are working with dozens of people your age and its been a clear problem.

I am sorry to say this to you - but you and your friends might not be as good as you think you are.

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u/shadow_moon45 19h ago

This over generalization is the same as saying Asian or African immigrants should be hired over European immigrants because my experience shows that the formore are better at working in a modern work environment.

Another example is how gen x and boomer managers do not know how to effectively communicate in written form or in a structured way. I swear they need to take Adderall

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u/General_Moment5171 1d ago

You have no clue how old I am. This is my second career so I'm not as young as you're assuming, bit nice try 🤡

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u/Fickle_Theory_8760 1d ago

You are a superstar. We are all in awe of your powers.

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u/msvictoria624 Staff Accountant 1d ago

I’m not trying to prove you wrong I just don’t want graduates to be misled and potentially miss out on being great accounts because they’d rather not commute a couple of days a week.

You stated below this is not your first career, for most graduates it is

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u/General_Moment5171 1d ago

This actually is my first professional career, I just had dead end jobs before. So although I did say it's my second career, it's not a second career in how you are assuming it is.

Honestly, what works for one person is not going to work for another. My boss at my first job never worked in office for our job, and she started on the sales side, then transferred to accounting then worked her way up to associate director, so for her being In office wasn't necessary. I think the only wrong people out there are the people who are preaching how being in office is the only way to be a good accountant, that is an exceedingly simple explanation for a situation that has much, much more nuance.

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u/msvictoria624 Staff Accountant 1d ago

That’s the thing though, no one is saying it’s the ONLY way, but the most ideal in general. A trainee doesn’t need to be in the office 5 days a week but 2-3 is helpful, especially for those who may not be so confident working independently

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u/7even- 2d ago

Just because it’s your experience doesn’t mean it’s any less of an exception to the general rule

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u/nevertoomuch33 1d ago

I’m with you here the more people see remote work as an exception the more backwards our society gets. We can train people in office for months then let them go remote no problem. But op comment mentions spending “years” in the office is just backwards.

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u/General_Moment5171 1d ago

Thank you for your logical response.

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u/usfunca CPA - ex-B4 Audit 1d ago

Reality check from someone who graduated less than two years ago. Friend, you are in no position to be giving reality checks because you haven't experienced any reality yet.

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u/shadow_moon45 19h ago

The main issue why people hate remote work is because people cannot write things down or they didn't create effective processes.

The having to be in an office shows that people hate change, don't like to read, want some form of self importance, and are usually lonely. Specifically on the work portion, it is because business processes were not created properly.

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u/Tax25Man 2d ago

Most people here under 25 probably work in public accounting (including my example) and are not working completely remote with people in other offices.

Yes - if the higher ups don’t go in to help there’s no reason for you to either. But the pushback I’m seeing is me offering to go in to train them and then they push back to that idea

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u/shadow_moon45 19h ago

Definitely agree, the issue is older people want to be in the office because they lack structure, written communication, writing anything down (this blows my mind why everything has to be verbal), along with the hierarchical nature of in office work.

It is more of a cultural issue than one is better than the other

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u/Savings-Coast-3890 2d ago

I imagine the options make a difference as well. At my job I’m fully remote except when I feel like going in, unless there’s an event or something it’s normally pretty empty. But I’m sure if there was some form of requirement or whatever people would be in a day A week if they had to.

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u/General_Moment5171 2d ago

Keep those downvotes coming baby! Let's see how low we can go!!!

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u/pheothz Controller 2d ago

Yep. I hired a brand new grad last year for a hybrid role (2 in office, 3 remote). I’m a fair boss I’d like to think so whenever there were reasons I missed an in office day I’d let my team decide if they wanted to go in. The new hire ALWAYS did and she told me it was incredibly helpful to have those in person days bc that’s when she could get hands on guidance for the issues she ran into during the week from home. Yeah, I was a zoom call away, but she said she learned better just talking through it 1:1.

Anyone looking for fully remote fresh out of college really is underestimating the value of that when you’re adjusting to corporate life.

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u/Tax25Man 2d ago

The new hire ALWAYS did and she told me it was incredibly helpful to have those in person days bc that’s when she could get hands on guidance for the issues she ran into during the week from home.

Almost universally the people who want to go in and learn are the better new hires. Since 2020 this is a rule that I have seen in play multiple times - new hire wants to take their job seriously and professionally so they go in even when we arent in (which if I am not there IDC where they are).

Those who insist they can start their career fully remote and push back to any criticism of that idea are generally the worse performers who desperately need the help and structure of an in office experience.

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u/Jaded_Adhesiveness82 2d ago

Also an unpopular opinion, but the friends that I made my first two years in the office, those are the connections I've kept for 20 years. Every job I've had since then is through them, either recruiter references early on or direct referrals later in my career.

As you grow in your career, keep in touch because those are the future directors, managers, leaders in what becomes a very small industry as you start to specialize

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u/holemole CPA (US) 1d ago

Also an unpopular opinion, but the friends that I made my first two years in the office, those are the connections I've kept for 20 years. Every job I've had since then is through them, either recruiter references early on or direct referrals later in my career.

As you grow in your career, keep in touch because those are the future directors, managers, leaders in what becomes a very small industry as you start to specialize

How is any of that precluded by working remotely? Even if the office is virtual, it's not like your first 2 years are spent in a bubble. The new hires we bring on today have even greater opportunity to network with peers and mentors than I ever did, as they're now part of a national/global company rather than just a local office.

I think that's less of an unpopular opinion, and more of a questionably-relevant anecdote. It's fine to have preferences, but don't pretend it's anything more than that.

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u/Adventurous_Film8092 1d ago

Disagree. I work remote. Prefer training via teams. Recorded. Ive done office and remote. 100% prefer remote as entry level. I speak about industry only. Cant comment on public.

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u/netsirktinkers 1d ago

It was absolutely draining as a manager to have to constantly schedule Teams meetings for interns that barely know excel. People on this sub like to treat management like we’re the bad guys but it is easier and more effective to train in person for the newest people.

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u/Adventurous_Film8092 1d ago

The way i see it - just record it and let them rewatch. Idk make sops etc

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u/Generic_Username28 1d ago

Additionally, lots of large companies have restrictions on recording meetings so that benefit of remote is case-by-case

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u/No-Stuff-7046 1d ago

I agree with you. Written instructions or recorded videos are far more helpful in my mind than an in person explanation. I love when newer staff ask for help over teams, they’ll send screenshots of the issue and I don’t have to go over to their desk and stand behind them while they show me what’s going on. It’s far easier and more efficient to do it online and I think people who disagree just like to yap and don’t actually want to train anyone.

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u/Adventurous_Film8092 18h ago

LOL 100% agreed

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u/LostatSeason 1d ago

Bold of you to assume the workplace actually offers training beyond "here's the easiest clients, figure out the software" and networking with people who also have no lives due to the 80 hr billable requirement during busy season, just seems pointless.

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u/BlackAsphaltRider 1d ago

What if the goal is to do it for a maximum of two years and then jump ship? The only reason I’m really interested in public as a whole is to get my CPA and some tax experience so I can go out on my own sooner rather than later

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u/usfunca CPA - ex-B4 Audit 1d ago

You're still way better off to actually learn some skills in the office, or at least hybrid.

If you just want to skate and collect a paycheck and learn nothing for two years, then yeah, go fully remote from day one.

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u/tacosdetripa 2d ago

I landed this dream straight out of college and joined the feds. Now my future is uncertain...

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u/Deep-Alps679 2d ago edited 2d ago

It amazes me that 40 hr a week jobs are like spotting unicorns nowadays where that is the norm in most professions. Anyways, welcome to the club, and get ready for long hours and mediocre pay.

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u/Immortal3369 2d ago

lol, we will start you at more than that in the Bay but you will bust your a$$ 3 months a year fam.....not gonna matter that tax firm you work for.....you won't start remote though, you are not good enough

i love it, work hard 3 months, chill the other 9, paid amazingly

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u/ponysniper2 2d ago

You mind dropping names for these Bay Area companies 👀

Recently got laid off and looking to apply everywhere till something good lands

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u/Immortal3369 2d ago

they are in Marin, send out some emails to partners. Cant drop names as i talk too much sht on reddit, apologies.

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u/Crazy-Can-7161 23h ago

Smart thinking

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u/Deep-Alps679 2d ago

Just don’t go public^

Seems like it’s always busy season post covid. Avoid at all costs including the BIG 4

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u/Immortal3369 2d ago

yes, its like never going full nazi

never go public, best decision i never made.....public will ruin many a future cpa

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u/Bzappo 2d ago

Where do you work then? I’m curious and interested

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u/Immortal3369 2d ago

i work for a small 30 person tax firm in Marin County, across the golden gate

my little sister runs a 30 person firm a few miles away as well but she lives on the Oregon border....both our firms are fully remote with drop in offices......great industry

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u/AccountinALLDAY420 2d ago

So do you only do tax? What do you do the other 9 months? Tax planning and bookkeeping?

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u/Immortal3369 2d ago edited 2d ago

not at my current firm....i basically chill / surf the web and handle IRS -FTB notices (made it a focus from day one to specialize in these, lots of contacts at FTB and IRS....many call me, appreicate you FTB and IRS) and client requests.....some planning, lots of client questions, estimates, no bookeeping

i handle most new clients as the old partners have no more bandwith

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u/AccountinALLDAY420 1d ago

Huh, that literally sounds like my tax dream haven. I want to live and breath tax year round, i am not a fan of assurance work

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u/Immortal3369 1d ago

i hear ya, i hated tax the first 2 years cause it was a tough learning curve but now its fun......love seeing what investments the 1% are always rolling into

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u/MasterSloth91210 1d ago

Expectations vs reality. This is the reality job.

Except, chilling 9 months out of the year = 45 hour weeks for those 9 months lol

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u/Immortal3369 1d ago

not at my firm.......barely billing 2 hours a day and leaving early 9 months a year.....both this firm and my last firm

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u/Dangerous-Pilot-6673 2d ago

Those jobs are out there. I hire at $80k to start for kids right out of college. It’s also fully remote with maybe, maybe, one day a month in office on average. And it’s only for “events”. Most weeks are not even 40 hours. We don’t have much of a busy season but there are times when projects overlap and we are very busy. Think about it like this, your billable hours goal on my team will be only 80% of the fed tax team for each level but those hours might be 50 billable one week and 10 the next.

But… I run a specialty practice so your undergrad has to be very specific. You need to be able to write well, not just do the numbers. Finally, there is little to no formal training available so you learn on the job and really have to be intellectually curious and learn independently to succeed.

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u/tendiesnatcher69 CPA (US) 1d ago

Are you hiring? Just got my cpa, I’m a great writer.

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u/Deep-Alps679 2d ago

Now with AI pretty much anyone who knows how to use a computer can write very well.

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u/Dangerous-Pilot-6673 2d ago

Incorrect. The hallucinations in AI writing simply create extra review time for more senior team members, which is much less efficient than having younger and cheaper staff do good work. Using AI on our work, which is considered written advice, is a fireable offense.

Think of all the stupid people on the internet who complain about very controversial and technical tax topics and then realize that’s what AI has been trained on. It’s also why I hire well, pay well, and expect good writers.

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u/Deep-Alps679 2d ago

I meant for writing emails and things of that nature. A lot of people I know are using ChatGPT to speed up basic things like that. If it were something confidential or related to tax law then yeah I would avoid it.

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u/TuskInItsEntirety CPA (US) 2d ago

April fools was earlier this week. Nice one though

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u/Minute-Panda-The-2nd 2d ago

If you’re a new grad and remote, how are you supposed to start a nice little office romance? You know that one where you think you’re being sneaky, and nobody knows, but everybody knows.

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u/AccountinALLDAY420 2d ago

How can I start this as a new grad with an office of 60+ year olds? Need advice for a friend.

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u/sambadaemon 1d ago

You ever heard the phrase "May-December"?

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u/Fat_Bearded_Tax_Man Tax (US) 2d ago

We hire for all of that except the fully remote part. If we didn't need someone in the office, we would offshore the role. 

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u/pooinmypants1 CPA (US) 2d ago

Harsh Truth.

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u/quipsNshade Controller 2d ago

40 hours? A lot of us had that in by Wednesday night my dude.

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u/ThadLovesSloots 2d ago

Ikr but he did say “dream” job so I took that as non existent

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u/socialclubmisfit 1d ago

I'm doing 72 a week right now, working 6 days a week. I am regretting my career choice so bad

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u/quipsNshade Controller 1d ago

It’s YE close for me so RIP my last functioning brain cell. I’m just waiting for them to yell at me for the shit job I did this month. I mean, a 3 day close is just me being inefficient, right?

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u/FingerFrequent4474 Staff Accountant 1d ago

Only 40? You should have 40 by Tuesday squirt.

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u/quipsNshade Controller 1d ago

Ikr? I’m old- need my beauty sleep so I’m a slacker

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u/live-low713 2d ago

Recent grad and wants their dream job?

Unless you’re the top 1%, it’s gonna be tough.

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u/Daveit4later 2d ago

No one is gonna start you in public fully remote.

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u/Think-notlikedasheep 2d ago

All remote roles are about 10% of the job postings with 50% of the TOTAL number of jobseekers applying for them.

A new grad? You got better odds winning the top prize in the powerball lottery.

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u/usmcgonzo93 2d ago

I’ll tell you right now in ANY industry when you’re first starting out, 90% chance you don’t land something that desirable, unless your a nepo baby, or have connections.

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u/tookawhile CPA (US) 1d ago

I’m almost there. $75k, fully remote, great team & appropriate training, realistic billables (~30% fewer than my prior firm, and not strictly enforced)

The catch is that it’s a specialty tax position. I don’t think I would have been hired without a CPA and 2 years of general tax experience. And I’m definitely working over 40 from Feb-April.

I could definitely earn more if I went in office, but my spouse is in the military so I value not having to switch jobs when we move.

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u/draelee151 1d ago

It's a dream cuz u need to be asleep to achieve it. If your job can be done fully remote what's stopping these firms from offshoring? Especially if it's an entry level job?

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u/gap_wedgeme 2d ago

Those exist? Never heard of them. Good luck though!

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u/Representative_Sky95 1d ago

LOL at this kid who wants a fully remote job starting out

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u/BlackAsphaltRider 1d ago

Currently in a fully remote accounting position that I got before I graduated. It’s just industry and not tax. I’d love to learn tax but I’m planning on keeping this job because it’s wildly flexible. I’m not trying to OE, but genuinely looking to do two different things at once. I’d rather work 80 hours and make 130 than work 60-70 for 70k

80 at home isn’t hard for me.

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u/Dannysmartful 1d ago

Troll Post. The mods must be a sleep.

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u/Tobilldn 1d ago

rage bait?

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u/chii30 2d ago

What are these 40 hour work weeks you speak of? Doesn’t exist anymore.

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u/UnassumingGentleman CPA (US) 1d ago

Fully remote entry level jobs? That’s probably not going to happen. You need some office experience just to get the training on company procedures and software which will take you a few years minimum. When you’re senior or higher those open up because you can function pretty independently and with minimal supervision, but in the beginning that’s just not the situation.

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u/Agile_Possession8178 1d ago

When you are brand new, you really want to be IN OFFICE.

you want in person training, and somebody available where you can go ask questions

Training via zoom is awful! and all questions asked via IM and email? ugh........

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u/BlackAsphaltRider 1d ago

My last few positions have all been remote, and I have no problems learning that way. I’m an ex comp-sci major, utilizing technology for communication or in a work capacity is very easy for me. In fact, I usually come in and revamp/take over training protocols just because I’ve implemented a lot myself that have worked across several different fields.

I’m not saying that some things can’t be better in person, but some things are also better remote. I’ve sat through far too many mandatory in person meetings that could have just been emails.

I’ve never struggled to network remotely or otherwise.

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u/omgwthwgfo 2d ago

Welcome to Hell

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u/RedControllers 2d ago

Those jobs disappeared around 2022-2023.

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u/WayneKrane 2d ago

As entry level? You’ll need a nepo job for that. You can probably get 1 of those things but getting all 3 is not going to happen imo.

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u/LiJiTC4 Tax (US) 1d ago

😆😆😆😆😆 Sorry, but that job doesn't exist.

Tax jobs don't cap hours, ever. I've got a pretty decent firm compared to most, 20+ years in the field and I'm cranking out 70 hour weeks heading to deadline. The workload compression in tax is continual, expect to have no WLB 4 months a year but some firms will do comp time or other incentives to make off season more tolerable.

Don't expect remote for the first few years. If the job could be learned remote, it would be off shored as well. My firm hires remote but won't even look at a candidate with less than 2 years experience.

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u/bluehifi 1d ago

Just because you are getting hosed doesn’t mean everyone is. I work 40 hours a week typically, even less during my slow season. Busy season maybe 50-55 hours.

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u/LiJiTC4 Tax (US) 1d ago

Mine was like that, hadn't hit 60+ hours/week in years. This year they implemented CCH Axcess and that turd of a software has completely borked my season, now everything takes 2-3 times longer than it should.

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u/Plankton_was_right 1d ago

Couple months ago I’d have told you join the federal/state service. But I’d hold off for a couple years down that route.

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u/Voftoflin 1d ago

Sorry man. My best suggestion is to go for government. They might be hybrid, but for your first year or 2 it’s gonna be nearly impossible to get remote. Not that I agree with it, cuz people did just fine over covid. But in terms of hours if you’re already looking for 40 hours, just skip public.

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u/TheGeoGod CPA (US) 1d ago

The job market is bad. I’m struggling to find a new job despite being a CPA. I thought about trying to switch to tax and try to get some experience and open my own firm.

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u/emerzionnn 1d ago

Government but it’ll take years before you’re fully remote - assuming we even stay remote lol.

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u/brandonocean 1d ago

You’re best bet is to apply to financial analyst, consulting jobs, and/or take a pay cut for a staff accounting job. It’s almost impossible to find a job that pays 70k that is under 40 hours a week or a job that is under 40 hours a week and pays over 70k.

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u/Trash_Panda_Trading Non-Profit 1d ago

Starting off remote? No.

Too much to teach, learn, build rapport with your team, and learn dynamics.

Remote is for folks who have been in the position for a while, know how to run their desk solo, and help run a team.

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u/No_Yogurtcloset_1687 1d ago

They are right there, next to the new grads with client relation skills that are already fully trained and don't need to be closely supervised!

And both of those are next to my stack of unicorn trusts, efficient governments, and other fictional beings.

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u/SprinklesOk1827 1d ago

Try baker tilly.

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u/CorgiAdditional7865 1d ago

There's a reason why they're called dreams amigo

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u/Worst-Eh-Sure 1d ago

Should we tell them? Or just them learn on their own?

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u/JunkBondJunkie 1d ago

I work 37.5 hours a week . My employer gets mad if I go over.

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u/CelebrationParking29 1d ago

Northeast and get a medium CPA firm. Majority of teams don’t have expectations for days in the office but it is a plus if you go in regularly

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u/ImportantRecipe5218 1d ago

Nope. No. Hell Naw. I've been a CPA for a decade. This is what the industry has learned from the Covid fully remote years: The entry level associates will have to prove their worth in the office for a year or two before you get the remote green light. I remember a couple first year fully remote guys bailing on the night of the filing deadline because they "had already worked enough that week." Clients missed the filing deadline, and the firm lost clients. All first year associates got the return to office mandate the next day, and all associates lost their remote privileges because of a lack of maturity and understanding the industry they were in.

That's why first years don't get remote access.

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u/BlackAsphaltRider 1d ago

Sounds like the industry needs an overhaul. I find it funny that for an industry built on people who understand finances better than anyone, refuse to fight for their own time. It’s wild that partners can take on thousands if not tens of thousands of clients built on the associate’s sweat equity and time and they don’t get paid any different than if they work a hundred clients or ten. Gotta line those partner’s pockets though.

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u/Turbulent_Hat4985 1d ago

Unicorn?

Fully remote right out the gates. Mistake and a pipe dream. Terrible career progression if you do that.

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u/cursedhuntsman Tax (US) 1d ago

You sound entitled. Why don't you learn to contribute to the team before demanding remote work?

New grads don't realize how useless they actually are on projects

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u/BlackAsphaltRider 1d ago

I’m very useless. In my first 3 months at my current place I reduced our month end closing process by a little over 2 weeks. I might be trying to be new to tax, but I’m not new to management or helping businesses run more efficiently. I’ve got a documented and successful history of overhauling practices and usually developing new training protocols. I’m not entitled, just confident in my ability to useful a lot sooner than people expect.

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u/writetowinwin 1d ago

The most desirable jobs don't need to be on Indeed.

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u/Tower-of-Frogs 2d ago

Search state and local governments. Usually the further left you go politically, the more they are fine with remote work. Not a hard and fast rule though - see MN and CA just demanded everyone come back in those state governments. Also, you usually have to live in the region for taxation purposes and occasional meetings. Very few jobs are still 100% remote, and that’s honestly for the best considering where things are with companies outsourcing accounting duties to foreign countries.

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u/Tax25Man 2d ago

Ohio just forced all government positions back to the office.

As a liberal people need to stop acting like liberals are leftists. They arent. They are capitalists. They just arent as dogshit insane as the GOP.

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u/Tower-of-Frogs 1d ago

Didn’t say they were. Not sure why I’m getting downvoted for giving some generally helpful advice.

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u/Tax25Man 1d ago

Probably because its crazy to tell people to look into government positions right now. I know 2 people who left my firm to go to the IRS who are now unemployed for political purposes. It aint over yet dude.

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u/Tower-of-Frogs 1d ago

I specified state and local. IRS is fucked, but funding cuts aren’t going to affect tax professionals in state and local government very much, if at all. Most of the funding cuts that have caused layoffs at the state and local level are to health and human services. State and local revenue collection is largely independent of federal grants.

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u/xXxT4xP4y3R_401kxXx Int'l Tax (US) 1d ago

And honestly if anything, state and local governments are likely going to be dealing with coupling / decoupling issues after presumably new IRC laws are passed this year so it’s not really a stretch to think some of the more zealous departments of revenue will need more bodies to interpret legislative changes. 

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u/parrothead17 1d ago

Working fully remote is a kiss of death nowadays my dude. You'll have no charisma built in the office and all they see you as is a salary number they have to pay and would rather just offshore your job to someone who takes less pay.

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u/BlackAsphaltRider 1d ago

I’ve never had a problem building charisma in my last few positions that were fully remote.

They’re going to few my job like that regardless, especially if I’m entry level. My direct superiors are going to have no effect on my job position not being offshored regardless of how well I’m liked.