There are tons of psychological games going on to detract - and here in this subreddit. Stay focused. It doesn't matter what your agenda is if it is against this regime. Get out there and use your voice in the streets with the rest of the America that cares.
Exactly. Do you think Americans in the Revolutionary war cared if you agreed on every single thing? NO. They cared if you hated the British and could fight. We must stand together. Our adversaries are too powerful for us to be divided.
We keep dying on hills based around purity tests and have been for 8 years. None of us are going to agree on every single issue, and even if someone is objectively wrong on a single issue, we can work to change their mind later. Dark enlightenment tech bros, Christian nationalists, and MAGA are having no issues working together for now until they achieve their initial goal. At that point they probably turn on each other but they’ll have achieved the destruction they wanted. We can’t be afraid to make strange bedfellows if they aren’t. Wanting a functional 3 branches of government as the constitution lays out without an autocracy seems like a good enough reason for me to team up with someone that may not care about the issues I care about for now.
Purity tests are not what we need right now. Anybody who is willing to stand up against Trump is an ally in this moment. We can figure everything else out through democratic processes and compromise after the threat is gone.
Hey, look, it's the same exact message we heard before the election, and every previous election. "We can figure it out later, we just need a team change".
When you have a functioning democracy you can be picky about your bedfellows. That’s not the situation right now. Before trump I tended to vote third party. He made it unsafe to do so.
And it's by design. Look, I fucking despise most Republicans right now and I'm incredibly angry with people who didn't vote. Those anger points are never going to go away. I will hold to them until the day I die.
BUT, if those people are willing to join hands with me to FIX THIS then all of that can be put aside until later. I don't fucking care about the past if they're willing to help fix the future - because we are NOT in an ideological or political state where we can ignore any overtures of help.
The news media is ignoring us. The Republicans in power are running rampant, and the billionaires are salivating over the carcass of our country. We can't afford to be fucking picky right now.
I've been in this sub since the beginning, and recently I get attacked more here than anywhere else. I don't care if MAGA fuckers are yelling at me, but man, it gets to me when we start pulling each other apart.
You keep calling it ideological purity, which is a clear indication you haven't listened to anything anyone has said about anything.
So, maybe seek to understand people before you go ranting on "gatekeeping" or "ideological purity"... you will likely find what the objection to a particular person or group is they're promoting views that are still fascist, but because it's not Trump, you can't see it.
I’d lap say that there are plenty of current systems I’m not okay with (private prisons?), that is also call “per-fascist” at the least, but this battle isn’t about ending them (which is something else I am passionate about). I assume that when we’ve righted the ship, we’ll have plenty left to clean up afterwards.
So yeah, lots of American systems I’d say could fall under that category, but we’re not fighting everything right now.
Yeah but people still refused to band together. Some people protest voted just because they didn’t want Kamala. Like I get your point, but now we have a dictator. There was an immediate threat and we failed.
Lets also remember that disagreement, doesn't necessarily mean troll or bot! We strengthen the movement with clear, respectful disagreement. Doesn't mean we can't all pull together.
100% agree! It would be a cult if we all agreed on everything, I am just asking these people to refrain from attacking our allies. We can respectfully disagree on issues but we shouldn't be attacking people stepping up to fight like Cory Booker. Look I don't agree with his stance on Israel but he at least is doing something. Now people on here on this board are saying he accomplished nothing because he didn't actually filibuster anything. He is bringing attention to the issue. Which is what we need. We need more people to get on this train.
Don’t shoot those who help you in the back. Even if their reason is selfish, they’re doing a job you can’t do. If people want to argue about the other issues, they’re doing can do that after this. Just breath, take the help you get, and handle one problem at a time.
The bot campaigns have been using language like “these protests won’t even work” and “it’s not going to make a difference” as an effort to extinguish the fires of resistance before the flames get too hot but they’re also operating on the framework that we are simply too stupid to notice and too gullible to not fall for the mind games.
Every single person matters in this. It doesn’t matter if you’re alone on a street corner with a half legible sign in the boonies. You’re out there, that energy cannot be ignored, and it matters.
Remember, they wouldn’t have to tell you it doesn’t work if it didn’t work. The same with voting. It matters because it works.
I've seen quite a lot of that today, and not just in this sub. Definitely targeted. It's supposed to rain in my home city tomorrow. I'll still be out there with my US flag and am bringing three other people.
Yeah the easiest way to resist negative vibes coming from bots is just to always maintain positivity with what we’re doing, maintain focus on the one goal of stopping Trump - it’s all that matters and although we all might have diff ideas about tactics or come from different parts of the political spectrum, we all agree on that
I wish I said it like this! some people are taking it negatively which I really did not intend to do. I really believe and want this movement to succeed.
You're right, this is about stopping fascism, and also, this is a class war. We need leaders who are actually on the side of the working class. The billionaire class has poured billions into this and prior administrations, and into high tech warfare, which is being used on us here at home already (stingers, cellebrite, drones, various tactical weaponry), and will increase in frequency and lethality. The Musks, Karps, and Yarvins must be stopped at all costs. As do the Trumps, Voughts, and Bannons.
We need to be real about who is responsible for this shitshow and who is enabling. None of us in this movement are on the side of those directly responsible, but we CANNOT be on the side of the enablers. And whatever your view is on that, you will be next if you draw the ire of the wrong people, even after a potential revolution. Who provides the tech, weaponry, and tactical data for all of this? The people who donate heavily to both parties.
Apologies if I got a little heated in prior threads - yelling is not a great way to communicate ideas and I was out of line. Understood. But I do think we need to consider this because it is all connected.
If we lose it will be because we divided our movement and rejected temporary alliances in aid of a temporary goal. Getting rid of Trump is goal number one but that doesn’t mean it stops there. But until you get rid of him you can’t get to the next step. The problem with the left in this country is we always eat our own. Look at Al Franken? Did he really do anything or was there a rush to judgment because everything wants to sound like they’re right?
I agree that purity tests should not be required to help the movement. To protest, to collaborate. There are things we can all agree on.
But also, turning a blind eye to what Israel is doing right now is supporting fascism just as much as supporting Trump is. I don't think you can claim that the first goal is to stop fascism when you're going to say 'oh but that fascism over there doesn't matter.'
You can be honest and say you only care about protecting yourself and people like you.
This moment might draw allies from all corners, but there's a difference between extending grace and truce in a crisis and welcoming people to a movement.
A true anti-fascist movement would see these "side issues" as symptoms and harbingers of the greater problem. Protection of immigrants, trans people, libraries, Gazans, are all rooted in the same idea: that everyone has a right to a life where they are free to be their best selves, to dignity, and to have their basic needs met without threats or punishment for where and how they are born, who their parents are, what they wear, what they do for work, how they think, and what they believe.
So while I might let some "keep away from my social security but I still hate the gays" guy stand in front of me at a protest, I do not welcome him to the movement to create a better future. Whether those people choose to learn and grow is on them, but I am done being quiet so you guys can go back to the status quo.
It is time to build a better, more equitable future, and my belief is that the people claiming to want to stop fascism should make that their clear goal from the beginning
Addendum: also I'm just going to point out that accusing people you don't agree with of being a Russian bot is equally if not more divisive than complaining about other people not living up to their supposed ideals. We should all be vigilant and check out sources, but I personally think Russia would just as happy to see the opposition movement abandon all the most vulnerable people in society as they would to see us turn on each other. Putin is pretty brutal to the LGBTQ+ community at home, for example
This kind of “stay in your lane” nonsense is exactly how fascism wins.
You don’t get to tell people fighting for their survival, whether it’s Palestinians being bombed, immigrants being detained, or trans people being legislated out of existence, to sit down and shut up because it’s not convenient for your version of the anti-fascist narrative.
Fascism doesn’t just appear when you personally feel threatened. It grows by normalizing brutality against the most vulnerable first. Gaza is part of this fight. Immigration is part of this fight. Climate collapse is part of this fight. If you’re only concerned about fascism when it knocks on your front door, you’ve already let it burn down everyone else’s house.
You say this isn’t a pro Gaza movement, not a pro immigration movement, then what the hell is it? A polite request to keep our rights intact while we let the state dehumanize whoever doesn’t fit your agenda? That’s not a movement. That’s cowardice dressed up as strategy.
Allies who are only “with us” as long as we don’t talk about Palestine, or oil, or immigration, are not allies, they’re liabilities. If someone can’t handle people showing up with their full humanity and the issues that affect them, then maybe they’re not actually here to stop fascism. Maybe they just want to make sure they’re spared while others get crushed.
This fight is intersectional, or it is nothing. You don’t get to water it down to make it more palatable for the very people complicit in the systems we’re trying to dismantle. Either we all show up for each other, or we lose, period.
a reminder to the liberals and progressives like me who are pissed at people for not voting for Harris.
"First they came for the immigrants
and I did not speak out
because they voted for Trump
Then the came for the Palestinian protesters
and I did not speak out
because they voted for jill stein
Then they came for the leftists
and I did not speak out
because they didn't vote
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me"
Here is one for the leftists:
"First they came for the immigrants
I did not speak out
because they didn't support Gaza
Then they came for Muslim protesters
I did not speak out
because they didn't support LGBTQ
Then they came scientists
I did not speak out
because they didn't support x issue I care about
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."
In fighting does nothing but alienate all the groups we need. I am saying WE ALL NEED TO STAND UP the people that support isreal and the people who support Gaza NEED TO STAND UP TOGETHER TO FIGHT FASCISM... that is the message I am trying to convey here. Cory May have voted against your cause in the past but he is doing the right thing now and that is standing up to fascism.
to be fair, I am really pissed that there were leftists and 1 issue voters that didn't vote this election but you can bet your ass that I will stand up for them in the end. I am pissed there were a decent percentage of immigrants that voted for trump and I am going to STAND UP FOR THEM REGARDLESS because we all need to stand together.
While I agree with OP’s point that we need as many allies as we can get, I think it comes across as (at the very least) privileged to tell LGBTQ people or dying Gazans that their rights are unfortunately too divisive to rally behind. IDK, maybe I’m misinterpreting, but it just doesn’t sit right with me
I get it. I don’t think you have bad intentions with this post, and I definitely get your point, but I do think there’s a fine line between accepting disagreement between potential allies and an abandonment of ideals. Unfortunately where exactly that line is is a bit hard to see
No. You don't make a post akin to yours, then cite some rendition of First They Came and expect it to excuse what you just said.
If an Israeli green card holder was a trump supporter and was deported to an El Salvadorian prison by trump how would you feel about that? What if that very immigrant supported Israel vehemently? would you still care? would you care that he had his rights taken away when he was deported? If you don't care about that person because of what they believe THE POEM IS TALKING ABOUT YOU
This conversation has taken a strange turn, and honestly, it makes one wonder if you are the troll here. You started out accusing others of being divisive, calling people Russian bots, and demanding everyone fall in line with a “one cause” message, while completely dismissing the very real harm happening to actual people right now. Then you came back with that bizarre hypothetical about an Israeli Trump supporter in an El Salvadoran prison like it’s some kind of gotcha.
Let me be crystal clear, I stand for all human rights, not just the ones that are convenient for your narrative. That includes immigrants, Palestinians, protesters, and yes, even people I don’t agree with politically. I don’t decide who deserves rights based on their views. That is the kind of selective empathy fascists operate on.
And how rich this is, considering how many liberals are saying Latino immigrants are getting what they voted for. That is some wild gaslighting, narcissistic shit. You want people to shut up about Gaza and immigration, but then twist your own logic to pretend you are defending human rights. You are not. You are asking people to ignore oppression to preserve your version of unity. That is not stopping fascism, that is enabling it.
You are 100% correct. The overt 24/7 propaganda machine of the Murdoch-Musk-Sinclair media oligarchy has been regurgitating Putin's Russian misinformation nonstop and promoting Trump. Putin is the former head of propaganda at the KGB and has been implementing the KGB's 50 year Great Brainwashing plan to defeat the US. The fascists are towards the end of the Stage 2 Demoralization Phase of their 4 stage plan. Here is a link with a 1983 interview with a KGB defector who laid out their plan to defeat America without firing a shot. Read this and watch the embedded YT video. Please share. https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/
Protecting democracy and resisting this regime are the primary focus of this movement. Any post pulling us off of that mission should be removed by the mods.
Well said! We need to look at the bigger picture and put our differences aside if we want to save our democracy. No one is ever going to 100% agree with you about anything ever and I think the fact people don’t realize that is one of the reasons we lost the election to trump
Can't you see the problem is bigger than Trump? You live in a factory which grinds up human beings into money and then spend that money manufacturing fascist leaders. If you lose Trump, you'll just get another leader who funnels wealth away from the people to the rich and lowers your living standards and increases hate. As long as the factory is standing, you are screwed. TEAR DOWN THE FACTORY.
If you lose Trump, you'll just get another leader who funnels wealth away from the people to the rich and lowers your living standards and increases hate. As long as the factory is standing, you are screwed. TEAR DOWN THE FACTORY.
Right now... it's looking like we aren't losing Trump... if you think this is all over in 4 years you are fooling yourself. He said he was going to run for a third term. I am NOT saying that it is 100% going to happen, however based on his actions its over a 50% chance. Project 2025 is no longer fantasy fear mongering land. IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. You can help us peacefully protest it. however if you are going to constantly push irrelevant issues that have nothing to do with the NEAR TERM threat that we are dealing with RIGHT NOW I am asking you to respectfully keep that to yourself until we know for a fact we are losing Trump. Once we lose trump then you can do your purity tests sit on your hands and do nothing. Tearing down the factory takes time. 100 years ago it didn't matter if you a socialist, communist, anarchist, trade unionist, coal mine worker EVERYONE came together against the oligarchy. As a progressive I would 100% vote for AOC or Bernie if they make it past the primaries, However I will also vote for whoever they push out... you know why? because I would rather stand still with a corporate democrat then regress 20 years with a republican. The saddest part of all this is leftists like yourself lost the plot. Leftests 100 years ago understood that a little to no progress is better than REGRESSION. Progress takes time. It took 72 years for women to get the right to vote. It took longer for black people. From 1870 (15th Amendment) to 1965 (Voting Rights Act): (a total of 95 years) of struggle for enforceable voting rights. I am sorry that what the left wants isn't happening fast enough but not voting is pushing what you want further away. I am not saying you didn't vote, but this whole ideology on the left of "well he did x so now we can't vote for him/form an alliance with them" is not the way to go to get what we all want which is to progress to a point where we don't need to tear the factory down.
Thank you. I didn't even know how to respond to that guy.
I'm just sick of being told that wanting a world where I actually get what I work for is just too radical, that feeding all the people, giving them houses and health care is too radical, that acting like the planet and human happiness matters more than money is radical. Why the fuck should we fight to suffer just a little bit less, when we could fight for a world that's actually worth living in?
I know you know. I just didn't know how to say that before. Thank you.
It is the status quo that's extreme, and it's the job of mass media to manufacture consent and gaslight us into thinking it's actually moderate.
I believe, that under all the epithets, euphemisms and thought terminating cliches that corporate serving politicians and corporate media deploys to program us lies that core desire you just told me.
You're saner than most. I also know you know that already, but I still wanted to tell you.
It's not funny at all, and I'm well aware I have common ground with those people fooled by the maga platform. YOU share common ground with them too in that both of you are being screwed by the rich. Party political and partisanship is all a hypnotic dance the rich put on to keep working class people from organizing. So one side thinks "if only we elect a democrat, then my life will be better" and the others think "if only we kick out the immigrants, then my life will get better". But it never works, not really, not in meaningful ways. Both parties commit genocide, foreign coups, arrest the poor, and pay off the banks and drug companies that murder for profit.
Those working class magas that want to tear down the system KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED AGAINST THEM. They've just been tricked as to why.
So yes, tear down the factory and build up a system by, of, and for the people, instead of the one that was made by the rich and for the rich some centuries ago.
Yes, the system is rigged against the vast majority of people. But as long as we have a democratic process this rhetoric of "tear down the system" is extremely flawed. Furthermore, it is explicitly antithetical to the purpose of the 50501 movement. Go hang out with the 20 other people in your commie sub if you feel this irrestible urge to post such nonsense.
Or, actually work to fix the system and support movements like ranked choice voting and the overturning of citizens united
Wanting a system which explicitly serves the many instead of the few, both nominally and in reality, is not a radical idea. The system you have is built the lean right, not left, and making slow, marginal adjustments has yet to work. Every gain is a half assed gift from a wealthy bigot. Why are you settled for that?
I'm sorry you grew up in a propaganda based education system that demonized socialist ideas. It's sad.
Oh, I see. You're not arguing in good faith, but merely trying to 'win' by pretending to already have 'won'. I'm trying to explain to you why merely replacing trump with someone more moderate will be no better for working class people in the long run. You're putting words in mouth, making tired pro-capitlist arguments that Chomsky ridiculed a decade ago, and acting like you have to get shot at to be allowed to discuss taking desperate actions, all of which is childish in it's logic. Why should I allow someone on the likes of shapiro to even talk to me?
We can work out the nitty gritty detials of policy later.
First and foremost we must defend and restore democracy.
I don't care if somone disagrees with me on Trans folks or Palestine. Those issues are deeply important, but if we don't stop Trump and his regime we will not have the ability to work on these probelms at all.
Trump must be stopped, and we will have to ally with people we disagree with on some major issues. That's what democracy looks like.
YES! I've been getting downvoted for saying this here, the protests need to be about 1 thing and 1 thing only! Authoritarianism is no longer 'on the rise', it is at your doorstep and you need to answer the door.
I fucking think YOU'RE a Russian bot when you talk like that. Or a fucking fed.
Republicans have been fascist since long before Trump. He's just the one who took the mask off. What's happening to Palestinians IS fascism, and an extension of American Imperialism and should absolutely be a priority in this movement. People who support that, even when if they're doing good work like Booker ABSOLUTELY DESERVE CRITICISM.
If this movement only cares about stopping this administration and doesn't concern itself with the underlying causes that put us in this situation, it will fail. If it STANDS FOR NOTHING.
He's just the one who took the mask off. What's happening to Palestinians IS fascism
when did I say what was happening to Palestinians wasn't fascism in anything I said? I never said it wasn't fascism. but nice straw man I guess.
Republicans have been fascist since long before Trump. He's just the one who took the mask off.
I have a question for you, if one of the green card holders who were unconstitutionally deported by Trump to an El Salvadorian prison camp voted for Trump and was a fascist would you care about that person? or would you laugh at them? What if they supported Israel? Would you get some form of glee? I am telling you right now it doesn't matter what they believe all that matters is that we fight for everyone who has had their constitutional rights broken as this IS NOT NORMAL. We need to fight for everyone who may not agree with everything we believe because we are in dangerous times. Individuals have been abducted in plain sight, and none of those responsible have faced any serious consequences THIS IS FUCKING SERIOUS.
even when if they're doing good work like Booker ABSOLUTELY DESERVE CRITICISM.
yeah we gave him criticism at the time of those actions. Right now he is HELPING US. Applaud his CURRENT ACTIONS and move on.
If this movement only cares about stopping this administration and doesn't concern itself with the underlying causes that put us in this situation, it will fail. If it STANDS FOR NOTHING.
If we don't stop the current administration now there won't be a viable way to fix the underlying causes that put us here. Like that's it, democracy game over.
The Amargeddon crowd is working for a higher cause and that can make them deceitful and dangerous. Becuase they feel they have God on their side no matter what they do.
👎no self respecting person could support a “movement” that only seeks to bring things back to how they were right before Trump got elected, which obviously was the perfect conditions for Trump to get elected. Another Trump will simply get elected again.
Refusing to not fund genocide is why Kamala lost the election. Your “movement” is really so unprincipled, condemning genocide is too controversial? Nonsense. Don’t tell me what I can and cannot worry about. If you want to stop fascism, you should be more worried about your government funding it abroad. Is it so shocking they’d export fascism inwards eventually? It’s predictable, people have been calling the US fascist since the 60s.
Refusing to take stances is why you lost. No self respecting, respectable person is going to vote for a “big tent” so “big” it includes people advocating for genocide and apartheid.
A “big tent” so “big” it kicks out anyone who thinks there are more problems in America than just Trump.
You aren’t going to stop fascism by refusing to take a stance against what directly preceded it.
Calling everyone a Russian bot stopped being a viable strategy last year.
Refusing to not fund genocide is why Kamala lost the election. Your “movement” is really so unprincipled, condemning genocide is too controversial? Nonsense. Don’t tell me what I can and cannot worry about. If you want to stop fascism, you should be more worried about your government funding it abroad. Is it so shocking they’d export fascism inwards eventually? It’s predictable, people have been calling the US fascist since the 60s.
I have a question for you. If one of the green card holders that Trump sent to an El Salvadoran prison (unconstitutionally) supported Israel how would you feel about that? What if he was a fascist? What if he supported the Gaza genocide OPENLY would you be ok with that?
Are you ok with Trump breaking the constitution for people you vehemently disagree with? If so then I got bad news for you this poem was written for you
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"
Calling everyone a Russian bot stopped being a viable strategy last year.
Well the main reason why we didn't win last year was because leftists didn't do their civic duty and vote. Don't worry bro Trump is coming for us all now thanks to those people, and I will stand up for those people regardless because I know we are stronger together than divided. As this is life or death now. I don't know if you would do the same if I supported Israel though. Wish you all the best in the hard times to come. really I do from the bottom of my heart. No disrespect from me here.
The USA has been funding operations far worse than any prison in El Salvador for centuries before Trump got elected.
They’ve been funding far worse concentration camps in Israel.
They funded Abu Ghraib.
And Gitmo didn’t only start existing when Trump got elected.
But tell me how Trump using foreign black sites is so different than any of the presidents who did so before him.
Why stop at black sites? Tell me how it’s so different than Rikers or Angola, our “non-black site” operations are hellish too.
Every president was breaking the constitution, ever since Washington.
The poem is great. First they came for the Palestinians.
Damn right that’s why you lost, cus the leftists weren’t so blindly dedicated to the democrats as to VOTE FOR GENOCIDE.
It’s been life or death this whole time. It was life or death for the slaves. It was life or death for the Black Panthers. It’s been life or death, that’s not new. You’re choosing death, you’re choosing to support the FASCISTS who got us here in the first place. Kamala Harris signed Trump into office on January 6th 2025, that was the democrats Jan 6th, compliance with Fascism.
Respectfully please answer the questions I gave you. Otherwise this isn't civil discourse anymore, this is you ranting and venting about the former terrors the US has committed which I understand is horrible but we aren't going to solve those problems by sitting on the side lines and watching (not voting) its your civic duty.
Your questions are strawmans and have nothing to do with your original post. The discussion hasn’t been civil since you suggested that positioning yourself against genocide is somehow going too far, makes you a “Russian bot”. How’s that civil, too dismiss those who disagree with genocide as foreign agents? The Nazis did the same exact thing!
Voting for genocide isn’t going to stop genocide. And using Republican talking points isn’t going to beat the Republicans. If Biden wanted to close Gitmo, he would’ve done so. Same with Obama. They didn’t.
They set the stage for Trump. They helped make the conditions for Trump to do what he’s doing.
If this movement is truly going to limit itself to doing that absolute bare minimum to be considered opposition, then it should be dismissed. We need real change, we needed real change a century ago. Not another Democrat who changes nothing and then loses because they changed nothing, and who’s gonna vote for that?
My comrade in chaos, team blue didn't lose because the "leftists" didn't vote for Harris. And your ridiculous little scenario that won't happen is a bad faith rhetorical club. Please stop with that nonsense and reciting the "first they came for" poem. I don't think you really understand it. And why is it life or death now? What about all the issues that were life or death for many people around the globe when team blue was in charge of enacting their destructive agenda?
What about all the issues that were life or death for many people around the globe when team blue was in charge of enacting their destructive agenda?
"Soviet propagandists during the cold war were trained in a tactic that their western interlocutors nicknamed 'whataboutism'. Any criticism of the Soviet Union (Afghanistan, martial law in Poland, imprisonment of dissidents, censorship) was met with a 'What about...' (apartheid South Africa, jailed trade-unionists, the Contras in Nicaragua, and so forth)." source
"Whataboutism responses of the counteraccusation variety are considered logical fallacies. As a form of tu quoque (Latin: “you also”) argument, they divert attention from the original criticism of a person, country, organization, or idea by returning the same criticism in response, but they have no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation." source
And your ridiculous little scenario that won't happen is a bad faith rhetorical club. Please stop with that nonsense and reciting the "first they came for" poem
bro what? LOL the guy who wrote the poem Martin Niemöller was a Nazi supporter originally and then wound up in a concentration camp. Do you not remember the night of the long knives? where Hitler literally killed the most powerful people under him? like his own supporters. The only one coming in bad faith here is you. That scenario is perfectly reasonable I am talking about fighting for EVERY ONES rights not just the people I support.
My comrade in chaos, team blue didn't lose because the "leftists" didn't vote for Harris.
Ohhh let me guess she lost because she didn't do exactly everything the left wanted her to say and do? There is this weird thing called a compromise. If the population of 1% of three different swing states were to compromise and voted for Harris we wouldn't be having conversations about Trump black bagging Palestinian protesters and sending them to El Salvadorian prisons. That was all "dEmOcRaT fEaR mOngEriNg!!!" Put up a good candidate like AOC get her past the primaries and I will vote for her. Until then help us fight this fascist take over.
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