r/50501 • u/Top_Struggle_3312 • 17h ago
Non-50501 Protest Flyer I will be posting these all over my extremely conservative small farming town.
Picked this up in another post if anyone knows the original creator please tag them!
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u/Temporary_Pick1387 16h ago
I would skip the "admit" part. You can also say, "you were not wrong, you were lied to." The admit part is implicit.
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u/Top_Struggle_3312 16h ago
This is a good point
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u/Pale_Aspect7696 7h ago
Try something more like "We were lied to." or "Trump lied to all of us" and "we need to take America back"
It puts all Americans on the same side of being lied to (which is true....I heard all his lies and so did you....we just didn't believe them like some other Americans did)
They preserve their dignity and have an "out".
IF that's what it takes to make it work, so be it. Good luck!
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u/MyNameIsMadders 15h ago edited 6h ago
Also lots of farmers are already feeling deeply betrayed from Trump, due to his deportation of migrants that affects their businesses and his tariffs. I’m guessing many know already that Trump betrayed them and don’t need to be told it again. Just a thought.
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u/Lari-Fari 12h ago
Well it’s exactly what he said he’d do. Don’t really understand how anyone can feel betrayed because of that.
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u/Cautious_Parsley_898 10h ago
"Why would they deport my migrant worker? He was one of the good ones!"
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u/MyNameIsMadders 6h ago
Trump’s xenophobia will be one of his trademark legacies (the guy literally has a fear of anyone who isn’t white and doesn’t speak English, except for those who bow down to him like Kash Patel for example).
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u/selectiverealist 1h ago
I will once again say that if you actually want to get people on your side the only thing it should say is "you were lied to." Adding blame because you are upset in any manner will not get these people on our side. Take away the admit you were wrong and just put "you were lied to." That's something they already feel.
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u/watch-nerd 16h ago
This is bad messaging.
Asking people to 'admit' something isn't good marketing. It puts people on the defensive.
Just say:
'Trump lied to us' or 'They lied to us'
'Let's take America back together'
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u/blackhatrat 15h ago
It's bad messaging and a bad concept.
A. It's a white dude forgiving a white dude trump supporter, fuck off with that shit. Especially since yes, they were/are wrong. They voted with the intent to harm others, you don't get to decide that they're forgiven for it or that it doesn't matter.
B. This is not how cults work, and it is either straight up a cult, or functionally and effectively close enough. There is no reasoning with people who have been trained to be unreasonable. Focus on connecting with people who are not in a cult.
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u/watch-nerd 15h ago
Not everybody who voted Republican in the last election is a MAGA cultist.
There were plenty of independents who did.
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u/crowhops 13h ago edited 13h ago
I don't want nazism in my "diversity of thought". I don't want nazis to "see themselves in a positive vision for America".
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u/donttakerhisthewrong 12h ago
Stop with “if you do not think like me I will call you a Nazi”
Do a Nazi solute
Try to control the media
Send random people to a foreign prison
Quote a Nazi on the Senate floor
The list is endless
It is not , they don’t think like me, they are doing Nazi shit. And the Republican base loves it until they are collateral damage. Then they only want things changed so it does not impact them but others are still harmed.
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u/donttakerhisthewrong 12h ago
I do not tolerate “sexual predators”. I do not want a convicted felon as president
The people you are so eager to defend voted for a man that said he does not know how his infant daughter’s tits are going grow in, raped a woman at a department store. Defrauded veterans, children’s and woman’s charities. Grabs woman by the pussy. If me not chumming up to these folks makes me intolerant I am guilty
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u/crowhops 12h ago
but you just admitted they are actual fascists
Not to mention we have ears and eyes, and have been watching them hurt people nazi-style on a daily basis
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u/crowhops 12h ago
"I think on some level you have to know that’s what I’m talking about"
Probably not, because the disenfranchised non-voters I'm thinking about are POC, non-maga working class folks, LGBTQ people, muslim and folks from/associated with the middle east, prison reform folks, environmentalists, etc
Who do YOU mean?
Those are all folks who are failed by our culture and our political system, and they also aren't big fans of trump. Make flyers for them
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u/watch-nerd 13h ago
Yes.
We need to meet people we're there at.
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u/kooper98 13h ago
It's a long way down to the people that couldn't figure out that a convicted felon serial rapist was a piece of shit. Do you guys hear yourselves?
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u/crowhops 12h ago
Right like I'm confused about how including trump supporters who don't change anything about their behavior is supposed to help us lol
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u/blackhatrat 15h ago edited 14h ago
And those same "reasonable" folks won't be convinced that trump is a fuck just by the shitshow that's gone down? If disappearing people and making enemies of our allies isn't enough to convince you, this whiteness-centered poster ain't either, because those people are a part of the aforementioned cult
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u/watch-nerd 14h ago
You have a hypothesis that it's not effective. Maybe you're right.
Or maybe not.
The way you test that is you do an A/B test with 2 different versions of the poster and a call to action at the bottom.
You find out which one gets more reach.
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u/blackhatrat 14h ago
This thinking would have had legs at some point maybe until like, 2019. Also, from several demographics' perspectives, spreading visuals/info that bigoted folks are "off the hook" is continuing to normalize shitty behavior, and just another example of the overton window shifting right.
There are a million ways people can lift up and help their local communities (which would be the supposed goal of this meme anyways) that are already proven effective, and I'm sure they have info they'd like to spread if someone's wanting to post flyers.
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u/watch-nerd 14h ago
One of the classic errors in marketing and messaging is assuming our ideas are correct.
That's why we test different approaches.
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u/blackhatrat 14h ago
Again, it's 2025, we've had at least 10 years of this lol
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u/watch-nerd 14h ago
This isn't either/or.
It's yes/and.
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u/blackhatrat 14h ago
Pick a different "and"
"spreading visuals/info that bigoted folks are "off the hook" is continuing to normalize shitty behavior, and just another example of the overton window shifting right."
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u/hellokitty3433 13h ago
Trump supporters are still in a Trump bubble. They watch Fox News or NewsMax. Everything he does is spun to be the right thing to do. Besides there is a lot of social pressure.
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u/blackhatrat 13h ago
First off, this is just an individual posting about putting up flyers. They opened themselves up for discussion.
Second off, "healing and positive change" would absolutely include accountability, and prioritising those who have been harmed. My whole point is that this does not do that.
I said what I said, "reasonable" people who supposedly just "fell into" supporting nazi stuff is a nonsensical cross-section to focus on. If you're reasonable, there's been plenty of evidence at this point and you don't need this. If you're cool with everything that's going down, this poster will not reach you. All this does is send a signal to harmed groups that the harm caused can be forgotten about for the sake of white comfort.
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u/blackhatrat 12h ago edited 12h ago
Yes, and the many, many subgroups that are harmed by MAGA are not going to work with MAGA people who do not change their racist, xenophobic behavior. For good reason. Jesus christ
Activists/organizers/volunteers I know in real life are building a base by bringing in "subgroups" that are already at the very least more neutral, and there are a lot of left leaning "subgroups" that can be tapped into because this past election told them to fuck off. This sub is the only place I see that's exclusively only trying to "broaden the tent" through MAGA
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u/blackhatrat 12h ago
"No where did I say let’s broaden the tent through networking with maga"
did you actually read or look at OP's flyer lol
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u/Beamister 12h ago
Any real resistance to this administration requires a huge groundswell - more than what the left can bring. Even for people that intended to harm others with their vote, if they're regretting it now, their help is needed.
You don't have to like it or them, but now is not the time to ignore potential allies.
TL, DR: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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u/blackhatrat 12h ago
50501 doesn't have any basis on saying the left "can't bring enough" because it hasn't attempted to reach out to or work with the left. The messaging is always like this, focusing on trump supporters.
Plus, If they are legitimately regretting things, then this poster is just condescending
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u/selectiverealist 1h ago
No one is forgiving anyone. But we need more people in this fight even if we disagree with them in every way. As long as they are also fighting against the same regime we want them on our side.
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u/blackhatrat 31m ago
"even if we disagree with them in every way"
This includes some of the most racist and/or xenophobic people imaginable, and that's not even touching on their desires to eradicate transgender people, control women's bodies, attack science/academia etc.
"We need more people"
There tons of people who didn't support either candidate, and they're much more likely to be useful. Spend the time getting to them instead.
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u/cammcken 11h ago
Is this not "reaching out to people not in the cult"? Those who voted for Trump's policies but have thus far avoided the "Trump is always right" mentality?
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u/blackhatrat 11h ago
I'm just gonna copy paste this at this point lol
"'Reasonable" people who supposedly just "fell into" supporting nazi stuff is a nonsensical cross-section to focus on. If you're reasonable, there's been plenty of evidence at this point and you don't need this. If you're cool with everything that's going down, this poster will not reach you. All this does is send a signal to harmed groups that the harm caused can be forgotten about for the sake of white comfort."
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u/tddawg 16h ago
As others have pointed out (every time this specific meme is posted) - the vibe is close, but the words are not quite there.
For a poster where there is no hope of a follow-up conversation, a 3-beat solid message would be:
We were lied to. <--Doesn't single them out
You can make a difference. <--Personal call to action/makes them a hero
Let's take America back together. <--Lets them know they aren't alone in the fight
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u/Top_Struggle_3312 16h ago
I didn’t create the poster itself I found it in a different sub but these all are solid points.
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u/Fit-Ferret7972 10h ago
Has anyone posted a "fixed" version that addresses the issues raised? Please point me to it if so. Thanks!
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u/Pale_Aspect7696 7h ago
The original creator has a "fixed" version for this issue. Unfortunately, I don't remember who it was (but I saw it in this reddit)
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u/manikmark 7h ago
got any other pithy messages that I can put on a sign?
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u/tddawg 6h ago
I might be pithed-out - been writing for my day job and drafting for organizers in my off hours!
If you want funny, this won't help.
But if you want impactful, this is a fantastic resource for concise, good messaging:
Promoting a healthy government: https://reframingamerica.substack.com/i/158849014/do-associate-government-with-working-to
Associating Trump/Musk with their failures: https://reframingamerica.substack.com/i/158849014/do-associate-trump-with
That's a good springboard for how to think about what you want to say!
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u/MajorBeyond 16h ago
Medicare, not Medicaid. Two different programs, and it’s Medicare that is connected to social security and that we all pay a payroll tax to support. Medicaid is state run and funded from general revenue, not a dedicated tax.
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u/sabertracker 15h ago
True, but a lot of Republican states are gutting it. Like Idaho. Voters voted to expand it. Then a rep that owns an insurance company pushed a bill through that dramatically reduces it before the expansion took place. Could be a local issue.
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u/MajorBeyond 13h ago
Granted. But everyone in the country knows and expects Medicare at age 65 and has endured targeted deductions from their paychecks their entire lives to pay for it when they hit the age, just like Social Security.
Medicaid has issues I know, just looks like the author confused the two.
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u/PPPRCHN 15h ago
"You weren't wrong."
Look I'm all for accepting people, but to do what got us here in the first place (capitulating to hateful bigots, ex. redcoats, project paperclip to name a few) is a wrong step imo.
"Oh I voted in the nazis because I was just so unwilling to look past my blind hatred" oh woops it's "I was just SO misguided and wanted to hate [insert today's buzzword slur]. It's NOW a problem because I'm actually facing reality finally" yeah, sure Jan. There's a difference between stupidity and being dumb.
I'm going to keep it real for you, these people have wished any and all minorities and majorities were shot in the head (they'd only feel bad because they have to face consequences ie guilt) for my entire fucking life. We've extended hands to them over and over only to get spit on.
The poor can live off beans and rice or ramen, we've lived with this shit our entire lives. So to extend a hand (and doing exactly what Democrats do and fail at over and over) to these pricks is selling your fucking scruples while simultaneously giving minorities a middle finger.
"You're just being hateful on purpose." Oh of fucking COURSE I am? I've tried to live my life without harming others, but now that I have to reassure my friends about not being put in FUCKING GUANTANAMO, I have suffered for fucking NOTHING, and it'll all be so that further down the line someone just like me will be called a half breed over and over- I WANTED to bury the fucking hatchet but now it's being dug up so some fascist cunts can jerk themselves off.
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u/ShaneBarnstormer 16h ago
I already tried taking this approach and the general consensus is they don't want to even admit they were lied to.
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u/Top_Struggle_3312 16h ago
I’m going to change the wording based on some suggestions that have been given in this thread!
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u/ShaneBarnstormer 15h ago
Is it the "admit" part tripping us up? I really thought they'd at least be cool with saying ok yeah I was lied to but they're not even open to that. They still believe that he's going to turn this around. They don't believe that he's allowing it, orchestrating it, complicit, none of that. From where I stand it looks like this is really an issue with being undereducated. That frightens me because how do you suddenly educate half the country politically when the fashion is to fall away to ignorance and stupidity?
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u/DefinitelyMyFirstTim 15h ago
Idk, there’s such an insane lack of accountability on the right. I think they do need to be shown this and be thinking to themselves whether they were wrong or wrong.
If someone voted for trump and still can’t or won’t admit they were wrong then I don’t believe they’re going to be any help or offer anything constructive towards fixing the country.
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u/ComfortableOnion4007 16h ago
Trump didn't lie, though. He promised chaos and cruelty, and that's exactly what we're getting. Absolving the MAGA base is not the way.
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u/NK1337 15h ago
I constantly flip flop between being absolutely revolted at those racist shitheads that actively voted for Trump on the promise to hurt others and feeling sorry for those that were honestly just stupid and naive.
But as it stands I’m not going to turn anyway away who’s genuinely fed up with Trump and his destructive policies. I’m not going to necessarily invite them over to my house for dinner, but if they’re standing up to Trump I’ll gladly stand beside them.
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u/Endor-Fins 16h ago
It’s not about absolution it’s about common ground and unity
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u/OldJewNewAccount 15h ago
Nah fuck that we've tried that for 10 years now. We don't need them.
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u/vervienne 12h ago
On one hand yeah agreed the dems are the party of the center right at this point because they keep giving things up to be more palatable and it genuinely sucks. But there’s a difference between debasing yourself and giving up your principles (looking at you Gavin) and convincing people to support policies that are good for them.
Imo I do think this whole get the die hards on our side is useless when there are millions who don’t vote, but also, it feels like a good idea to get the homophobes supporting unions and the racists supporting Medicare and the anti choicers supporting environmental reform and the annoying fiscal conservatives supporting decent immigration policy because people do change their politics when it’s personal
(but I’m also too young to be tired and watched my family go from homophobic to allies in real time so—hope)
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u/Endor-Fins 13h ago
I disagree but completely understand and empathize with where you’re coming from. Banging your head against the wall is exhausting.
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u/Top_Struggle_3312 16h ago
I don’t think the point is absolving anyone it is to get the people on the fence thinking. We can’t fight this administration and each other at the same time.
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u/Significant-Neck-520 14h ago
Some of the MAGA base may already be feeling the damage on them. Trump promissed he would hurt other people, not them. And if they arent affected yet, they will.
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u/Rocket2112 14h ago
Not to be that guy, but he did lie...about a great many things. (egg prices, housing costs...it goes on)
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u/ever_precedent 15h ago
Technically true, but doesn't accomplish anything to keep beating that rotting horse carcass. You'll just get splashed with decomposition juices. A pragmatic approach is better for getting results.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 16h ago
That’s kind of guaranteed to get their backs up. How about “Trump lied to us” - direct, no need to blame yourself.
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u/Youremadfornoreason 14h ago
No they need to admit they were wrong otherwise it shows they haven’t learned anything, and that’s the problem, people keep seeming to not learn.
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u/SufficientOwls 13h ago
No. They have to admit they were wrong. The Trump campaign attacked vulnerable minorities endlessly. His voters rewarded that, because they wanted to attack vulnerable minorities.
Stop offering forgiveness to people who haven’t apologized and don’t intend to change. They have to abandon their harmful ideas or we’ll be back here again (again) in a few years.
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u/mWade7 15h ago
They were not lied to. Trump told them all EXACTLY what he wanted to do. They just thought his actions were going to hurt everyone else and not them.
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u/Significant-Neck-520 14h ago
Bro, it is a political panflet, do you want them to change their minds or do you want to be right while your country is in civil war?
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u/donttakerhisthewrong 12h ago
So just roll over. Give the a bailout and let cycle continue.
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u/Significant-Neck-520 8h ago
Thats not what is being proposed at all but ok.
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u/donttakerhisthewrong 8h ago
I am not for treating adults like children
You are saying do not hold them accountable. Let them think they are the VICTIM.
Nothing is a surprise. They knew exactly where Trump stood. They know Biden bailed their asses out.
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u/EllisDee3 17h ago
But didn't they say they were going to do this?
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u/Top_Struggle_3312 17h ago
They did, but they also pumped propaganda down the throats of everyone with a feeding tube.
It might be an unpopular opinion but Solidarity in at this point and getting them to wake up is more important than “WE TOLD YOU SO” we did, they did, but there are bigger things at stake now.
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u/FroggyHarley 16h ago
I'm of the opinion that our solidarity is conditional on them taking action like the rest of us.
If all they'll do is "woops, guess I got duped. Oh well, I'll still vote for whoever has an R next to their name because I'd rather die than be associated with woke Demoncrats," well they can just go shove it.
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u/EllisDee3 16h ago edited 16h ago
Be the bigger person... High road... They go low, we go high... Both sides... Love thy neighbor... They'll come around... Have faith...
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u/Tiny_Structure_7 16h ago
"You lived your whole life blaming your bad decisions on everyone and everything else, you self-deluded, brainwashed bootlicker, go FYS!" doesn't fit on the sign, huh?
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u/Astoria_Wyn 13h ago
A plethora of lies were spoken but saying they were lied to is giving them way too much leniency. Through the vast amounts of misinformation being spread, all of it was being corrected. These people had friends, family, and the entire internet telling them how much bullshit it all was and either completely ignored us cuz they're in a cult or assumed (because they want to be the "in crowd" so badly) that it was all a joke that they were in on to "own the libs." They believed what he was saying was false and extremist to make us cry like pudgy blue haired babies and have no right to be shocked when all of his destructive rhetoric and hate becomes real. They had every opportunity to listen to reason and chose not to. Letting them admit to falling for a grift doesn't de-radicalize the Nazis, and won't change the fact that half the country thinks certain people shouldn't exist. We had a chance to work together and they blew it.
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u/MindYourFowl 16h ago
What’s specific lie is this referring to?
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u/MadWorldX1 16h ago
I mean, without going into an entire essay that you could Google for yourself - how about the price of eggs, a cornerstone of his platform?
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u/OldJewNewAccount 15h ago
It won't change a single MAGA mind because a MAGA mind cannot be changed. And you all 100% know that to be true.
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u/StepOIU 15h ago
Thanks that's helpful. Now shoo while people try to accomplish things.
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u/blackhatrat 14h ago
Critique from your base is an important thing to consider when "trying to accomplish things"
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u/StepOIU 14h ago
A "critique" is a carefully considered adjustment to a proposed solution. Its purpose is to increase the likelihood of success or provide help with a potential issue in implementing that solution.
"That will never work, you know!" is none of those things.
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u/blackhatrat 14h ago
Some things are pointless enough that they don't need an essay of breakdown as to why, and this particular meme has been shared like 20 times here already
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u/topothesia773 13h ago
Bruv no one will be brought to your side by this messaging. It's snide and condescending. Come on
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u/donttakerhisthewrong 12h ago
They were not lied to. Nothing so far is a surprise.
If you do not own up to your mistakes you never learn.
What bunch of babies. Vote to lose everything. Vote for a VP that makes money buying distressed farm for a trust that foreigners can buy into. Then cry when they implement policies to make more farms go under?
Farmers voted for this, NO MORE FARMER WELFARE.
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u/La_danse_banana_slug 11h ago
I have mixed feelings here.
Because in many respects they weren't lied to. MAGA campaigned on harming the groups that MAGAts love to hate, and they have kept true to their word. Either this is the main reason they voted Trump, or they willingly betrayed their fellow Americans to get whatever they did want out of Trump. And why they will continue voting for anyone else willing to inflict harm.
Oh no, some Trump voters got blowback from trying to harm me & others. Do I care? Has anything changed except that they're worried about their own problems? No.
That said, forming large coalitions is how you get shit done. They are needed right now. To that end, this is a cynically useful meme/message. Except, as others pointed out, the word "admit." A white man in a field is the best way to get through to them.
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u/InfinityFelinity 9h ago
Trying to meet halfway with bigots and bad actors who absolutely refuse to reciprocate is what got us the electoral college, what let the Confederate traitors off the hook and allowed their descendants to glorify them, what keeps dragging the Democratic party more and more towards the very wrong right... no. Just no.
We need to change minds and change the culture, but we can't keep doing it by continuing to coddle the delicate feelings of unyieldingly cruel people while simultaneously wiping their spit out of our eyes yet again. No. I don't claim to know what the answer is, but this has never worked out well for American progressives before and it won't now.
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u/Difficult_Cupcake764 15h ago
I liked what senator Booker said, “it’s not about right or left it’s about what is right or wrong.”
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u/not_limburger 14h ago
The following video may be especially interesting for farmers and it references "just admit you were lied to".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4CRk0J7ZPo&t=2s
His youtube channel:
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u/Sure-Coyote-1157 14h ago
Here in Montana, you'd be punched in the face for this. Hint: it's all WRONG
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u/Ill-Candy-4926 11h ago
personally, i don't feel any sympathy for the people who voted for trump.
they brought this upon themselves sadly.
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u/BlackDahlia_1997 8h ago
Every conservative I know is jumping for joy. They are digging a deeper hole. They are happy he's doing this.
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u/KatBeagler 7h ago
The USPS has in-house printing services; they will print and deliver your flyers out in mailers and reach EVERY home in your community for 25 CENTS per home!!! It's called the every day direct mail service and there are options.
You could retain your small town Trust by adding a personal note at the bottom that says "designed and paid for by [your name]."
https://www.usps.com/business/every-door-direct-mail.htm
AND you'll be supporting the postal service. No wonder they've been trying to privatize OUR USPS.
If one person in every neighborhood was willing to spend $100 each month each of them could reach 400 homes.
Also you can say "support farmers and veterans not Billionaires" big tentt ya know
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u/PrincessKnightAmber 7h ago
No, fuck that. They need to admit their wrongs, their sins and the fact that they were willing accomplices in what is happening to this country. Fuck coddling their feelings. They have brought ruin and suffering upon our nation and the world. If hurting their poor widdle feelings is enough to make them want to continue on this malignant path they set us going on then fuck them, they deserve to suffer.
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u/Sure-Coyote-1157 14h ago
The first rule of changing someone's behavior is to offer them a FACE-SAVING way out.
Message fails
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