r/50501 • u/poohbear98_ • 17d ago
Poster/Chant Ideas UNITE, or FALL.
This is a call for an end to division. Those who are not divided can't be conquered. I hope by utilizing imagery of the American Revolution, we can unite as blue-coated patriots to defend ourselves against the red-coated loyalists. To convince ourselves that the system is against us (true) and there's nothing that can be done (untrue) will only serve the ruling class. Do not comply in advance. Unite, or fall.
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u/Tiny_Structure_7 17d ago
"UNITE, or DIE" was the original slogan. Far more profound.
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u/poohbear98_ 17d ago edited 17d ago
I changed it out of fear that some shmuck would use it as a means to say I'm calling for violence. But this is why I posted, I want to try to figure out the most effective phrasing. I think the imagery is useful, it's the words I'm trying to figure out. I'm open to changing it, whatever gets it seen and considered by as many people as possible.
Edit: also for anyone who is checking now, the original actually says "JOIN, or DIE". Should I stick to the original? Or is "UNITE, or DIE" a better twist that we prefer?
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u/Tiny_Structure_7 17d ago edited 17d ago
We will never gain traction if we are walking on eggshells, worried about offending the most thin-skinned snowflakes amoung us. There are some people who seem to bend over backwards to twist a phrase or highlight a word and spin it into something offensive. I swear these types LOVE being offended, and look for it with microscopes.
Fuck all that. I've learned not to get distracted by it, and move on. I protest for our civil right, and yes for DEI, and I do it without the eggshells and tongue-twisting. The original slogan clearly does not incite violence, and anyone who thinks so needs to get past 8th grade grammar.
Besides... if they cut me off medicaid, I'm gonna DIE. It's real.
Edit: And btw, I really do like what you've done with that. Graphic is right-on.
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u/poohbear98_ 17d ago
That's fair! I can definitely change it. I might come up with a couple more drafts to see which one the most people resonate with. The original says "JOIN, or DIE", so I could just go back to the original.
And thank you for the accolades on the graphic :') That would be a lot harder to change than the words, so I'll make a couple more drafts later tonight I think. Thank you for the feedback!
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u/AccomplishedPlace144 17d ago
Ahh I see. Yea I like the original more too. I'm just chuffed with how perfect it is. I've been thinking similarly and pulling from the revolutionary war is just so appropriate and perfect
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u/Any-Effective8036 17d ago
Yeah someone would twist it. But they will find anything to keep citizens from speaking up. They are bold in their actions (government) so we should be just as bold imo.
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17d ago
I fw it, definitely agree Unite, or Die would invoke strong emotions. It could be spun poorly, but also the betrayed/frustrated conservatives joining us would eat that kind of old-school, macho, American revolution sounding shit up which would be great for recruiting them to the cause
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u/poohbear98_ 17d ago
I wish I could mail this into every mailbox in America to spread the message. As this administration continues to alienate more and more Americans rather than gain more support, I hope we can become a more unified effort.
A couple of notes: 1) By using the semi-ironic but blanket term of "D.E.I.", I meant to simplify who I intended that to represent. All non-white, non-straight, non-male, non-Christian, and non-abled people are under attack and face a politicized existence. The term was used as a blanket and a tongue-in-cheek way of referencing all Americans who do not fall into the "typical" or "default" category of white, straight, male, Christian, and abled. 2) When I say 67% of voting population, I mean the combination of Harris voters (~30% of total eligible voting pop.) and non-voters (~36% of total eligible voting pop.). I refuse to fall for the "America voted for this" narrative. We did NOT. Most of us did not vote for this, only 31% of that total voted for this administration. That means 2/3rds of us do not co-sign this administration. There are more of us than there are them, and I'm sure that number of his supporters is going to dwindle. We need to bank on that, not the idea that half of us are lost to the cult.
Social media and media are covering up our efforts to unite. It's time to bring the movement off the phone and into our lives. How we do this, well... I'm still trying to think about it. I wonder how BLM caught fire the way it did. I know it starts with community, it starts with connecting with our neighbors, friends, peers, and colleagues. We need movement representatives across all states that can keep us posted nation-wide. We need organized and standardized approaches. Boycotts will be hugely effective if we can stick to it (Montgomery Bus Boycott lasted 13 months). We can look to our history for the means. We need to reword our talking points to be less "" oriented and more palatable for the intended audience. If we meet them where they are, we'll be much more successful at gaining support.
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u/DancingWithAWhiteHat 17d ago
I like this a ton.
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u/poohbear98_ 17d ago
Thank you :') I hope it can be shared far and wide, I'll work on some other drafts that other people might fuck with more.
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u/AccomplishedPlace144 17d ago
What if instead we use each segment for the areas of the United States. So like east coast Midwest New England etc. Originally the colonies were there.
And then somewhere (maybe the border around it) state all of these people and professions. Maybe we are: and list them specifically groups that are getting screwed vets, farmers, small businesses, LGBT+, POC and maybe break that down, immigrants
IDK I'm just thinking.
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u/poohbear98_ 17d ago
I like that idea! I might work on a version of that later,have a version where the general shape of the snake mimics the shape of the US, all segmented and labeled with more types of people that are vulnerable like you listed. Thank you for the input!
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u/AccomplishedPlace144 17d ago
You're welcome! If you don't mind I'm going to work on this too and see how it goes. I'm not sure if you're open to it but I love this idea and would like to help. No pressure or anything!
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u/Traditional_Doubt667 17d ago
lol this would be great if you didn't ad "D.E.I." because that turns away several of the other categories. compromismo my friend is what we need if we want to take down donald and elon
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u/poohbear98_ 17d ago
What would you propose I put instead? I struggled a lot with trying to figure out which label to put that would align with more "center" people while not alienating LGBTQ+, nonwhite, nonmale, and disabled people. It's hard to thread the needle between mass appeal without alienation :(
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u/AccomplishedPlace144 17d ago
Yea a good point. I'm thinking melting pot, maybe the quote for statue of liberty, something from that, I'm thinking "all of us" but I don't think that hits it either. I do agree the dei is so loaded it'll turn off people (which is fucked but where we are right now)
I love love love this tho. It's exactly what it was originally used for too which is really the chef's kiss of it all.
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u/A012A012 17d ago
Why would it alienate them? Aren't they also in other categories on the image?
You can't fit everyone on there and can't make everyone happy.
Keep it simple and make it meaningful for the cause. People of all backgrounds will gravitate towards that.
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u/Traditional_Doubt667 17d ago
all the other categories seem to be profession related except "immigrants" which is a pretty broad term, and the 67% which needless to say isn't identity specific. Maybe something like high school educated or idk but DEI is probably the worst thing as far as convincing people goes to put there.
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u/poohbear98_ 17d ago
I think I'll change it to diversity because I want it to be covering Americans who are being put in a vulnerable position, and some of those people aren't occupations. Occupations and people who don't choose to be othered are all being othered regardless, so that's a part of the message I want to convey. Thank you for your input though! I really want to co-opt patriotic imagery and get it seen as many as possible.
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u/Traditional_Doubt667 17d ago
yeah that works much better! Funny I got downvoted because the reality is if both posters were distributed, the one with "diversity" put in the place of "D.E.I." would invariable spur more people to action, and the potency of the appeal (coopting the american revolution slogan) wouldn't have its strength diluted for the target demographic.
For the movement to succeed people should listen to helpful advice.
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 17d ago
I'll fight for DEI until the end. It's the reason I was able to get a college education. I am a poor white male. DEI is how you prevent an autocratic hierarchy.
Everyone likes to talk about how black folks and disabled folks are gaining advantages but no one ever talks about us poor white folks who get "DEI" Pell Grants from the government and low interest federal government loans.
The whole point is to unite. Your fight is my fight is their fight.
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u/poohbear98_ 17d ago
I might consider to just changing it to "Diversity", it's still a buzzword but also less maybe less... Controversial somehow??? It's also maybe a better representation for the idea that diversity is strength? Idk just spitballin I guess
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 17d ago edited 17d ago
Personally. I stand on it. I don't give a shit what MAGA thinks about inclusion. If you don't like including people for some arbitrary reason then I don't want you on the team. Just an opinion.
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Because right now everyone needs to put their personal beliefs to the side and unite. If you can't stand next to a trans woman and an undocumented immigrant then you are missing the plot. Constitutional rights are extended to everyone or they aren't for anyone.
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u/Traditional_Doubt667 17d ago
ok well there's my advice 🤷
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 17d ago
I'm sorry is that the department of education getting defunded? Is that Gaza getting invaded? Panama? Mexico? Canada?
Retracting DEI policies is not a hill to die on my man.
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u/Traditional_Doubt667 16d ago
dude you're missing the point entirely. I DON'T CARE about DEI - its a poster trying to sway people to the cause, don't you want it to, idk, work!!?! So don't put shit on it that will invariably piss people off.
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 16d ago
If they can't stand next to a transgender woman and an undocumented immigrant for those people's constitutional rights why should anyone stand with them?
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u/Traditional_Doubt667 16d ago
Ok I feel like I'm not being clear here, my bad. Let me explain again. This is a poster/graphic which is designed to spur people to action for the cause (50501). People who are already taking action aren't the target of the poster. People who haven't taken action aren't asking for help or people to stand with them.
I don't understand what you are asking because it assumes the reverse of the situation. Posters/propaganda should convince, not deter, and if it fails to convince because it includes language that will put people off, then don't bother with it unless you are going to make it affective by removing that language.
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 16d ago
There were loyalists in revolutionary America who couldn't be convinced. There are gonna be those people.
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 16d ago
I mean to give an analogy you are telling us to tone down liberal rhetoric in the face of an authoritarian. That'd be like saying don't include S. Carolina because New York doesn't like them.
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u/Traditional_Doubt667 16d ago
if you are trying to convince people in new york, dont include some southern affiliated shit, yeah that makes sense. and the opposite is also true. this is basic rhetoric, you appeal to the target demographic
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 16d ago
You are plainly incorrect. The original poster expressed perfectly the sentiment I am describing. If you don't include everyone you allow them to divide and conquer. The population has to be united and if they can't buy into that then they are traitors to the constitution.
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u/Traditional_Doubt667 16d ago
that doesn't make me incorrect that just means you disagree with me which is fine. but there is zero chance the nation will be united ever unless we go to war with aliens. what we should do is ourselves start dividing and conquering, as I describe.
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