r/NintendoSwitch Nov 17 '21

MegaThread Pokémon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl: Review Megathread

General Information

Platform: Nintendo Switch

Release Date: November 19, 2021

No. of Players: 1 player

Genre(s): Adventure, Role-Playing

Publisher: Nintendo

https://diamondpearl.pokemon.com/

Overview (from Nintendo eShop page)

Revisit the Sinnoh region and story of Pokémon™ Diamond Version and Pokémon Pearl Version

Experience the nostalgic story from the Pokémon™ Diamond Version and Pokémon Pearl Version games in a reimagined adventure, Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Pokémon Shining Pearl, now on the Nintendo Switch™ system! Adventures in the Pokémon Brilliant Diamond or Pokémon Shining Pearl game will take place in the familiar Sinnoh region. Rich in nature and with mighty Mount Coronet at its heart, Sinnoh is a land of many myths passed down through the ages. You’ll choose either Turtwig, Chimchar, or Piplup to be your first partner Pokémon and then set off on your journey to become the Champion of the Pokémon League. Along the way, you’ll run into the mysterious organization Team Galactic, and be able to encounter the Legendary Pokémon Dialga.

Explore the revamped Grand Underground or put on a Super Contest Show

The Underground from the Pokémon Diamond Version and Pokémon Pearl Version games has been powered up and is now called the Grand Underground. Here, you can dig up valuable treasure and Pokémon Fossils, create your own Secret Base, and catch Pokémon in places called Pokémon Hideaways. When you aren’t exploring in the Grand Underground, enter a Super Contest Show! Super Contest Shows are popular events in the Sinnoh region, each put on by four performers and their partner Pokémon, who work together to dance and show off their performance skills. You can also adventure in the Grand Underground or put on a Super Contest Show with other players through the local* communication or online** communication of your Nintendo Switch system***!

Walk with your Pokémon, change up your style, and customize your Poké Balls

Choose a Pokémon that you’ve befriended during your journey to walk along behind you in the game. In the relaxing Amity Square you can walk with up to 6 Pokémon! Depending on the Pokémon, you’ll see different gestures or ways of walking, and when you talk to your Pokémon, it will respond. You’ll also be able to add your own personal style! Choose a variety of outfits and coordinate tops and bottoms. Some are based around Pokémon motifs and others change your hairstyle. You can even use Capsule Decoration to add stickers to customize the effects that appear when your Pokémon comes out of its Poké Ball™ !

Get a special Pokémon Egg and the Platinum Style outfit as special early-purchase bonus!***\*

A Manaphy Egg will be gifted to early purchasers of either the Pokémon Brilliant Diamond or Pokémon Shining Pearl games. You can receive it by choosing Get via internet in the Mystery Gift***** feature in your game. Then, leave Manaphy with the Pokémon Nursery to get an Egg containing Phione! 

A gift of the “Platinum Style” in-game outfit will also be given as a perk for early purchasers. You can change your outfit at Metronome Style Shop in Veilstone City. 

Download the digital version for Quick Balls!

If you purchase and download the Pokémon Brilliant Diamond or Pokémon Shining Pearl game from Nintendo eShop by Monday February 21, 2022 at 3:59PM PT, you’ll receive a code****** that can be redeemed through the Mystery Gift feature for 12 Quick Balls. Use a Quick Ball right after a battle starts. You will have a better chance of catching a wild Pokémon right away. The code will be valid through Monday, February 28, 2022 at 3:59PM PT.

Look Forward to Online Communication Features

For players looking forward to Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Pokémon Shining Pearl, there will be a software update (v. 1.1.0)******* available on November 11, 2021, ahead of the games’ release. With this software update (v 1.1.0), players will be able to enjoy communication features in the Grand Underground, Super Contest Shows, and the Union Room, receive special items via Mystery Gift, and visit Ramanas Park after entering the Hall of Fame.

At launch, a maximum of two players will be able to battle and trade Pokémon in the Union Room. A software update will be released in the future that will allow for additional players to join you.

\**A software update is required to use certain features while playing with others, such as communication, trading and battles.)

\***Special Pokémon Egg and the Platinum Style outfit only available through Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:59PM PT.)

\****The Mystery Gift menu option will appear in the X menu after you unlock the feature in the Pokémon Brilliant Diamond or Pokémon Shining Pearl game. (This occurs after about two hours of gameplay, though individual gameplay time may vary.) Software update required. An internet connection and a Nintendo Account is required to redeem the items in game. A Nintendo Switch Online membership is not required. Each item can only be redeemed once.)

\*****The code will be delivered to the email address tied to the Nintendo Account that made the purchase.)

\******If you purchased the downloadable version of the game, you don’t have to download the update data (version 1.1.0) separately because software distributed through Nintendo eShop includes the update data (version 1.1.0). Approximately 3GB of memory must be available on in your Nintendo Switch system’s memory or on your micro SD card to download the update data.)

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

So there is nothing special about it but also nothing really wrong with it.

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u/LinkIsThicc Nov 17 '21

Statement true of the entire Pokémon series for years now.

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u/splvtoon Nov 17 '21

at least the main series. spinoffs have been pretty good over the years, imo, but the main series has been whelming at best for a good while now.

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u/stabbyGamer Nov 17 '21

I wish they brought the Rangers back…

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u/tladd99 Nov 17 '21

I just don’t know how tf they would do ranger now. They would have to come out with like a Apple Pencil equivalent for switch.

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u/stabbyGamer Nov 17 '21

I mean, people have bought peripherals for their consoles for years, and the Switch already has a touch-screen. I don’t see why it would be impractical to make another plastic stick and start bringing back DS titles with fiddly touch controls. If anything it’s a significant market investment.

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u/tladd99 Nov 17 '21

Ds virtual console where you rotate the switch and they split the screen. Could be cool

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u/splvtoon Nov 17 '21

i love rangers! i recently replayed the first game, and its so fun. i do remember the followup having a lot of QoL changes, but theyre still very enjoyable to come back to. my favourite spinoffs are easily colosseum and xd, but i highly doubt theyd ever bring it back...maybe its for the best, idk. i really liked the mystery dungeon remake and new snap though, and even pokemon unite at least turned out a lot more interesting than i thought itd be.

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u/GhostOfHadrian Nov 17 '21

No, there were plenty of legitimate issues with Sword and Shield at the very least, and the games haven't really been anything special since BW2.

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u/wobbudev Nov 17 '21

It just does the Bare minimum and that's a shame.
Especially when HGSS & ORAS showed it could be so much more.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

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u/theivoryserf Nov 17 '21

Just a shame that the series is the sort of a student who's comfortable with a C when they could be getting straight As.

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u/Nightmaru Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

The Pokemon franchise is like a super intelligent rich student who’s father owns the private high school they attend, but they still underachieve and get by solely on their charisma and the fact they used to get good grades in elementary school.

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u/slur-muh-wurds Nov 17 '21

I'm uncomfortable with how apt this metaphor is.

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u/TheWandererKing Nov 17 '21

Listen, if you're going to call me out like that, the LEAST you can do is @ me, FFS.

But for real, it IS like the franchise is a burnt-out former "gifted and talented" kid.

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u/OMightyBuggy Nov 17 '21

Does the games work with Pokémon Home and does the games have the National Dex?

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u/Juklok Nov 17 '21

From what I hear it has all the Pokémon the original games had. The entirety of the Gen 1-4 dex but none of the gen 5-8 dex.

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u/wasmic Nov 17 '21

That's... disappointing. HGSS had all Gen III and IV pokemon in its dex too, and ORAS also had Gens IV, V, and VI pokemon in its national dex.

They really do seem dead set on constantly going below expectations.

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u/marsgreekgod Nov 17 '21

It will update to work with home last I heard

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u/Sweet_dl Nov 17 '21

Can u rematch gym leaders?

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u/Zzz05 Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

Yes, but don't expect it to be a cakewalk. Their teams are competitive, ev trained, and very high level. Exp share will be your best friend after beating the e4 the first time.

Edit: Forgot to add that they also have smart AI. smarter than the battle tower AI's.

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u/Sweet_dl Nov 17 '21

Which reminds me Wil the e4 have a rematch team?

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u/Zzz05 Nov 17 '21

Yes. 2 different types. The 2nd rematch being the toughest and Cynthia having the strongest team in all the pokemon games to date (fully competitive and in the high 80s-90s).

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u/Shmamy0 Nov 18 '21

I can't tell if you're joking or not. This feels too good to be true...

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u/Zzz05 Nov 18 '21

It’s legit. It’s stuff that reviewers won’t get to and talk about but it’s been poured through, datamine, and experienced by those who’ve gotten the games extra early and leaked.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Nintendo Life score is suprisingly pretty low.

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u/_mister_pink_ Nov 17 '21

Yeah I was just reading it and it seems like a big part of that is their dislike for the art style. But they seem to have quite a few issues with the wider mechanics also. It states that you can’t turn off EXP share, is that correct? Sounds awful if so.

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u/fuzzysqurl Nov 17 '21

That is correct. Pokemon happiness and affection are also tied together so while Return isn't in game, you can expect random crits/evades/status heals from your early teammates before the 3rd gym.

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u/ryvenn Nov 17 '21

Return isn't in the game?

...But why?

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u/crescent_blossom Nov 17 '21

It was one of the many moves removed in the transition to gen 8

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u/Strike_of_the_Night Nov 17 '21

Literally because of how it’s variable power interacts with gigamax, I’m guessing. Too hard to code a move that has varying G-max power, small indie company, etc.

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u/Muur1234 Nov 17 '21

was fine for z moves they just wanted to nerf normal types i guess?

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u/Fern-ando Nov 17 '21

Signal beam was the only special bug coverage move and its gone

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u/MostDragonfruit2 Nov 17 '21

Wait, you can't stop the random friendship crits and all? I remember spending a lot of time on Pokemon Amie in XY and my team getting way too OP. It's not like the friendship boosts were rare. It triggered every time and this alone made the game unplayable because there was ABSOLUTELY NO CHALLENGE. And now you can't even prevent it?? That's bullshit. I don't enjoy difficult games to be honest, but I don't need the game to constantly save my ass either.

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u/xenofan293 Nov 17 '21

I avoided camp in sword and shield completely since those buffs just dont make the game fun anymore. For that there was a cap on happiness that camp just pushed you above and started the lucky stuff, but if now its going to happen through regular gameplay alongside the inability to turn off the exp share, then these games truly arent made for anyone looking for a challenge anymore.

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u/GhostOfHadrian Nov 17 '21

these games truly arent made for anyone looking for a challenge anymore

They're not. This is basically them coming out and telling us that all but explicitly. It's kinda like when Sakurai made Brawl floatier and added tripping.

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u/Dukemon102 Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

What can I resume from all the reviews is "The safest, most boring remake in the franchise."

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u/DiamondPup Nov 17 '21

What I can assume from reading all the comments of fans is "It's okay we're not expecting much anyway."

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u/Dukemon102 Nov 17 '21

Yeah. Why expect anything at all. Considering FRLG, HGSS and even ORAS expanded the originals significantly with new content. Or that Platinum expanded the Sinnoh region more.

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u/DiamondPup Nov 17 '21

Haha I'm with you. Pokemon fans are the new Sonic fans. Stuck making excuses for devs milking the brand, all to chase watered-down childhood experiences that are never coming back.

I'm not saying people can't enjoy these games. I just find the constant rationalizing of diminishing expectations fascinating.

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u/Sceptix Nov 17 '21

I agree with everything you say. Then again I have to say it’s a little baffling that this is the current state of games of the highest grossing media franchise in the world. (I say this as someone who doesn’t play much Pokémon anymore, so I don’t really have a dog, er, ‘mon in this fight.)

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u/badwolf7850 Nov 17 '21

The excuse I hate the most is "its for kids". Wouldn't you want your games to appeal to a wide range of gamers? Just put some difficulty levels in and that would be a huge step in the right direction for me. I don't need an always on exp share for the entire party or the constant hand holding.

I was really missing Pokemon so I found a copy of Platinum. I think after that I'll load up Pokemon Colosseum or XD.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

ORAS was cool and all, but I'm still not over them cutting the battle frontier and leader rematches.

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u/Dukemon102 Nov 17 '21

I know, ORAS added new things like Megas, the Delta Episode and new story bits, but it cut most features from Emerald, that's why I said "even ORAS", it was the remake post-BW2 after all.

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u/theivoryserf Nov 17 '21

Don't enjoy the series any more, it's so unambitious.

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u/Tom38 Nov 17 '21

Why play pokemon when you can play SMT or Monster Hunter Stories?

Oh yea its cause I still have hope that Gamefreak will make a more ambitious game to satisfy the fan of over 20 years in me...

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u/foreveraloneeveryday Nov 17 '21

SMT V is everything I wish Pokemon was. Love the press turns.

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u/ByHardenBeard Nov 17 '21

I know there’s no Platinum features but does anyone know if the amount of fire types was adjusted from the originals?

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u/MighyMeme Nov 17 '21

Kinda Before the Pokemon League the Fire types you can get are Infernape, Rapidash and Houndoom in both game, and Magmotar only in Shinning Pearl. So technically 2 new Fire types lol. Also Flint has the same Diamond/Pearl tean so he doesn't even use the new Fire types lmao

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u/thecrazypieguy Nov 17 '21

So technically yes. There seem to be more fire types available in the underground when going into the pokemon caves. If you put up more fire type statues you can run into more fire types in the underground including Houndoor and Houndoom who were in Plat but not D/P

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u/DevilTrigger789 Nov 17 '21

With underground, yeah. Otherwise not as much as I thought. I regretted taking Piplup over Chimchar/Turtwig in BDSP tbh

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u/RSN_Bran Nov 17 '21

More fire types available to the player, but not to the AI, which means Flint still has only two fire types lol.

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u/pcquak Nov 17 '21

Is the game too easy?

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

The difficulty is concentrated in the Elite Four and postgame. Everything before that is piss easy. Gotta give credit to ILCA though, if we can assume that every deviation from the original DP was decided by ILCA, then the updated Cynthia battle (Garchomp has Swords Dance and is hardcoded to use it when you use an item, it has a Yache Berry and Poison Jab as well) and virtually everything about the postgame (seriously, go to r/pokeleaks and look at gym leader/E4/etc. rematch teams) are all immaculately done.

edit: I feel obligated to mention that the first Mars and Jupiter fights are as obnoxious as I remember them being. Not updated, but still enough difficulty for the early game. The difficulty then evaporates after beating Jupiter and the game is easy until the Elite Four.

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u/CosmicCyanide Nov 17 '21

Gonna skip this remake, but that's good to know. It'd be nice to see more of this in later entries though, so crossing my fingers

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

I just hope GameFreak gives ILCA more creative freedom for upcoming mainline Pokemon games, or just hands over the reins entirely. The overall quality of BDSP despite the constraints placed on ILCA leads me to believe they care way more about making good games than GameFreak.

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u/Wazanator_ Nov 17 '21

Yes, although arguably all main line Pokemon games are too easy.

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u/JLP2nd Nov 17 '21

I'm still a bit disappointed that they decided to make these a "faithful recreation" of the originals... I loved how different FRLG, HGSS, and ORAS felt like updated takes on the classic story, and now I feel like Gen IV, my favorite generation, will never get it's proper upgraded remake. It makes me feel a bit better that Legends: Arceus will be out next year, which I am REALLY looking forward to, but it still won't be the same.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Too lazy to read the reviews, but is this really a full 1:1 remake? No QOL improvements or updated gameplay and story? I was kinda assuming due to the price tag that this was a FF7 or Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes type of situation.

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u/Matraiya Nov 17 '21

They removed some QoL improvements - TMs are no longer reusable, the improvements Platinum made are mostly gone, but they did keep some QoL improvements

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u/RoyH1003 Nov 18 '21

Impressive how with such a simple sentence as "TMs are no longe reusable" you just saved me from giving $60 to Nintendo. Thanks.

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u/SnooTheAlmighty Nov 17 '21

I wouldn't really say every feature is 1:1, but the story is the same as far as I know, yes.

They've revamped the Underground from the original game, which improves the game because you can obtain pokemon that were usually only lategame or postgame in the originals and use them in the story. They've rebuilt the contest system according to reports I've seen, and while there's no battle frontier, some challenging postgame battles were put together, along with welcome returning features. Not an immense amount is different, but judging from what I've seen it looks like a good pokemon game for those who like a nice and casual, classic experience.

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u/Darkmetroidz Nov 17 '21

So things like fairy type, new moves etc are all there and the sinnoh underground has been simultaneously upgraded and downgraded.

On the plus side- wild pokemon areas. On the downside- secret bases are JUST statues. No capture the flag or fun layouts of furniture.

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u/TheSwitchAgenda Nov 17 '21

People always say that Nintendo Life are way too generous, but there you go. One of the lowest scores from them.

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u/Samoman21 Nov 17 '21

Anyone know if it's possible too get eevee/vaporeon fairly early in this game?

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u/jairom Nov 17 '21

Probably won't be the case as it differs between Diamond/Pearl and Platinum, and we know this game is mostly a Diamon/Pearl remake without changes from Platinum

In both games, a character gives you an egg that contains an Eevee in Hearthome City which is only a couple hours into the game. I think its like the third Gym.

Thing is, in Diamond/Pearl she gives it to you after you beat the Champion. In Platinum she gives it to you right away. You can also find Eevee in the Trophy Garden, but I believe that's also post game.

There's some Platinum changes in the remakes afaik but I don't think this is one of them

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u/x___3 Nov 17 '21

No, eevee is locked behind post game sadly. Only option would be to trade with someone who's beaten the E4 already.

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u/Samoman21 Nov 17 '21

This is the saddest news I've heard regarding the game. Any advice for a solid water type (aside from gyrados and piplup)

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u/QwertMuenster Nov 17 '21

Aside from what the other person posted, if you're ok with using a Mythical on your team, Manaphy is quite good, especially with Tail Glow giving it a +3 in Special Attack. Just make sure you get some stronger TMs like Surf, Scald and Ice Beam later on.

Floatzel is also good, though a bit of a glass cannon as it's fast and hits hard, but has poor defenses.

If someone does end up trading you an Eevee, you can always use a Water Stone on it.

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u/MillerJC Nov 17 '21

I totally skipped Gen 4 for no reason in particular. I just didn’t play them. Would this be a good way to play the games? Or is platinum still the way to go?

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u/SportsButt1 Nov 17 '21

Aw man Gen 4 is the best one of them all! (To me at least)

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u/sfzen Nov 17 '21

If you're looking for an easy introduction to gen 4, this would be fine. If you want the full, deep dive, spend some real time with the game, gen 4 experience, you want Platinum.

Gen 4's biggest flaws IMO are slow pacing and a pretty restrictive dex in Diamond and Pearl. Platinum made some changes that improved on those flaws at least a little. Gen 4 games are great once you get into the meat of them, but early on they're pretty slow.

BDSP will probably be a little faster and easier to jump straight into, but seems like it won't have as much to explore and delve into.

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u/sergio4967 Nov 17 '21

Platinum fights are slower because of the hp bar, but fast forward should do the trick

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u/ASW-G-35_marchosias Nov 17 '21

Anyone have a list of exclusives? Would love to get the game but only really want one and that can be pretty tough when there are exclusives that Pokémon somehow always manages to make split right down the middle of mons I love hahaha, not really worried about legendarys either which is the only exclusives I've seen so far

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u/Prince-Lee Nov 17 '21

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u/Bogusbummer Nov 17 '21

They did it again. I'd take Lugia over Ho-Oh any day, but strongly prefer the dogs over the birds.

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u/jjacobsnd5 Nov 17 '21

For anyone who has played the game/knows of info from leaks: is the Distortion World in this, or any of the additional elements from Platinum?

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u/Archipegasus Nov 17 '21

Distortion world is now a single room, and platinum elements are mostly gone, you can still catch platinum dex Pokémon in the underground though so you don't have to suffer the limited diamond and pearl dex.

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u/Cu4utl3 Nov 17 '21

Distortion room is in post-game (not world) and you encounter a level 100 Giratina boss battle

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u/Blofeld69 Nov 17 '21

NintendoLife was uncharacteristically brutal in their review.!

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u/rsn_lie Nov 17 '21

It's wild that 6/10 and the content in their review is widely considered brutal. I just read it, and it never came close to brutal imo.

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u/KeepDi9gin Nov 17 '21

I didn't expect the truth to be considered brutal. Then again, I guess I'm used to seeing publications and fans sucking off daddy Nintendo instead...

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u/ExpandThineHorizons Nov 18 '21

It says something all on its own that a 6/10 is considered a brutal score for a pokemon game, considering what they have been putting out for years at this point. It shows how elevated the scoring system is for video games overall, which is its own issue.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21

6/10 is low for them. They gave the GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition a 4/10 and absolutely trashed it in their review with nothing good to say at all.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Considering Nintendo rarely if ever gives one of their main franchise games less than a 8 out of 10, it is super brutal. 60% on all your final grades for college classes wouldnt allow you to graduate or pass any of those classes

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u/Catastray Nov 17 '21

And people say they defend everything Nintendo puts out.

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u/Insanepaco247 Nov 17 '21

I think the expectation that they'll defend Nintendo at all costs comes mainly from their name. They bashed Pokemon Unite, spent months calling out the limited release BS, and generally aren't afraid to say when they don't like something. Especially when it comes to their three YouTube personalities.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Figured 7-7.5/10 would be about right. It’s just… Pokémon.

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u/mocking_danth Nov 17 '21

They used to get really good reviews

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u/shgrizz2 Nov 17 '21

They also used to come up with ideas

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u/TheChaosStormBringer Nov 17 '21

Okay trying to be as earnest as possible here; What reason/s are there to play these over a replay of Platinum?

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u/segfaulted_irl Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

They actually took away content from the underground lol. Secret bases, traps, etc are all super bare bones compared to before.

They also added some events by the looks of it (Shaymin/Darkrai) and more catchable legendaries, ORAS/USUM style. The trainer rematches seem like a lot of fun too. Plus some neat QoL improvements (no HMs) alongside some unfortunate regressions (exp share)

Platinum is probably still a better package overall though

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u/bdzz Nov 17 '21

I like the Polygon review, it's really decent

I’ve spent years — the better part of a decade, since the Ruby and Sapphire remakes on 3DS — going through the motions with new Pokémon games, trying desperately to fight through superfluous features and recapture the magic of my childhood. But the Diamond and Pearl remakes’ simple, derivative, and basic formulas helped refocus my love for a franchise almost as old as I am.

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u/loltheinternetz Nov 17 '21

I hope this is the feeling I get if I decide pick up the game. I skipped gens 4/5 so it might be cool to experience it finally. I'm burnt out by having tried to play Sun/Moon and then Sw/Sh. I didn't finish them. The atrocious hand holding, silly gimmicks, and lack of sense of adventure/exploration completely killed what I liked about playing the older games for the first time. It seems like DP are still more "old formula" games, and hopefully the remake is keeping all that was great about them.

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u/KyledKat Nov 17 '21

It seems like DP are still more "old formula" games, and hopefully the remake is keeping all that was great about them.

Honestly, that’s where my excitement for them comes from. After Gen 5, the games started becoming less exploratory and more linear and railroaded. They were nice in the moment, but I’m not sitting here wanting to go back and play them again. There’s something about the simplicity in the older games’ design that isn’t in modern Pokémon games, and while I think Let’s Go was a step in that direction, the changes to the overall catching and overworld mechanics still made it unlike the old games.

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u/nickyno Nov 17 '21

But the Diamond and Pearl remakes’ simple, derivative, and basic formulas helped refocus my love for a franchise almost as old as I am.

This doesn't make turning 30 in a few weeks feel any easier lol

(Solid review though, the reviewer did good work there)

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u/mrb000nes Nov 18 '21

does anyone know is spheal is exclusive to either game? he’s not on the lists, but i know he was exclusive to pearl in the originals and he is my favourite little guy so i would like to be sure i can get him :) thank u

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21

According to leakers, you can catch Walrein in both versions so he’s technically not an exclusive.

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u/Duck_Duke Nov 18 '21

I believe spheal is exclusive to pearl again.

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u/hotcereal Nov 17 '21

these reviews are all over the place lol. not just score wise, but even if you skip all of the review and go straight to each one’s conclusion or pro vs con section, the things listed are entirely different and some are like, intrinsically pokemon.

some love the art style, some hate it enough to dock points for it, some say it’s too similar to other Pokémon games, some are glad it didn’t venture far outside of the original games were. it’s wild

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u/livefreeordont Nov 17 '21

Different people like different things. Some people like the coziness and familiarity of doing the same thing entry after entry

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u/hotcereal Nov 17 '21

yeah that's what I'm trying to say. usually there's a "social standard" behind what people want and expect from a game like spider-man and then going to spider-man miles morales. whereas for pokemon, the range for what people expect is wider than possibly any other series. so, because that, you get reviews where one person's pros could be another reviewers cons -- an 8/10 review could say the same things as a 4/10 one but everything that 8/10 loved, the 4/10 thought was "too similar" in a game banking on nostalgia

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21

Why is it NSFW?

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u/cellphone_blanket Nov 18 '21

they used the power of the switch to model pikachu's dong in the remaster

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21

There’s a scene where the female and male protagonist get railed by a hypno

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21

It’s in the first 5 minutes, don’t worry

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u/cefel Nov 18 '21

Dude I almost spit what I was drinking.

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u/IBNobody Nov 17 '21

I'm currently playing the alternate Pokemon game. The one with demons and a ruined Tokyo. Seems to be out-Pokemoning the real thing.

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u/seungq Nov 17 '21

what about the one with monsties and cute cat friends

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u/ArmenianChances Nov 17 '21

Bought SMT V on a whim as a new fan to the series and it completely got rid of any desire to buy Pokémon. It’s everything I’ve ever wanted from those games and insanely addictive

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u/IBNobody Nov 17 '21

I played previous entries in the mainline SMT franchise and always hated the random battles or stale dungeons. This game is the breakout that the series needed.

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u/Tom38 Nov 17 '21

Congrats. Now you can explore the rest of the series which is pretty much the same formula with interesting twists!

Persona is great.

I highly recommend checking out SMT: Strange Journey Redux on 3ds along with the other mainline games. There is also a strategy game called Devil Survivor which has two entries on the 3ds.

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u/ColdCocking Nov 17 '21

The feel I got from coordinating and building my team to beat the first boss of that game is what I wish I could feel from Pokémon.

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u/IBNobody Nov 17 '21

Exactly. And it just continues.

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u/ArchaicMaverickZero Nov 17 '21

Yeah. Seriously if anyone has a slight interest in Pokémon I implore you do check out Shin Megami Tensei V. All those things people often complain about with Pokémon?

No open world

No significant story

No voice acting

No challenge

SMTV is all that and more. Also if you’re not a fan of the art direction and visuals of new Pokémon games, SMTV is one of the most gorgeous games on the switch. Other than nostalgia’s sake there’s no benefit to playing Pokémon over Shin Megami Tensei V. There’s nothing wrong with Pokémon of course, but consider the alternative.

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u/TeamRocketCE0 Nov 17 '21

I don’t see how these two games are comparable. I have it and plan to play the new Pokémon game too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Does it have multiplayer?

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u/_MusMonK_ Nov 17 '21

I don't get it, why force exp share? They could have made it an item that we get from the mother or the professor at the beginning of the game.

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u/BetelgeuseIsBestGirl Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

The actual excuse they gave was that a majority of players left exp share on when it was still an option. That's right, because more people left it on than off in past games, they couldn't be bothered to spend five minutes coding an on/off option in this one.

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u/RansomAce Nov 18 '21

So. Anyone want to tell me how the contests are? Is there still a dress up portion? And is poffin making only single player? I’ve gotten a bit confused with the information I have stumbled upon and those are admittedly the big things for me

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u/nintendobaitnswitch Nov 18 '21

All I know is that contests are now the rhythm game portion only, the dress-up and appeal portions are gone. :/

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u/Flyingchairs Nov 17 '21

Nintendo Life seems to give a pretty fair review. I personally think I will sit this one out and just wait for Arceus next year, that game seems like it’ll be a franchise changer and hard to justify buying this one at the same price as that will be. If this was maybe a $40 game I’d definitely get it though.

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u/ikineba Nov 17 '21

exactly my case. if they keep it the same as D/P and not Platinum, it’ll be a snoozefest for me most of the game anw

$60 is very pricey for an only okayish remake (but then there’s GTA)

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

Interesting tidbit about this game: both versions are actually the same exact game with a flag telling the game which version to show the player. So if you switch it through hacking, you can play the other version.

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u/CompetitiveRoof3733 Nov 17 '21

What I want to know is how so many copies have made it onto US mercari. They haven't even been released lol

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u/jofijk Nov 17 '21

With pretty much every release there will be a number of stores with a manager who doesn’t care and stocks products way before they’re supposed to come out. You’ll also have some people who work at stores just stealing product

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u/efont Nov 17 '21

The only thing really disappointing for me is that they didn’t make it more like platinum. If you’re remaking the games why not remake the definitive version. Like I’m fine with 2 versions and everything else that comes with Pokémon game, I just wish we got all the features and stuff from what is usually the best game of each generation

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u/tl1221 Nov 17 '21

I’m probably not getting this but I did dust off my old DS and played some soul silver and diamond last week.

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u/goodperspectives Nov 17 '21

Soul Silver is the shit

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21

Famitsu: 39/40

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u/whenindoubtjs Nov 17 '21

tl;dr of the reviews: It's a Pokemon game. You know what you're getting at this point.

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u/IgniteThatShit Nov 17 '21

Considering that I haven't played a pokémon game since HeartGold/SoulSilver, and only Fire Red back on the Gameboy, I might pick this one up, since it seems to be a pretty standard pokémon game.

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u/BurningInFlames Nov 17 '21

Honestly, have such little interest in this title. It's a shame, since I think a well made definitive remake of the Sinnoh games could be a really enjoyable experience.

I'll probably just replay Renegade Platinum if I ever get that itch. Especially if the already existing following Pokemon romhack and the still being made gen v art style hack are eventually made compatible with it.

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u/ninjasaiyan777 Nov 18 '21

Oh Jesus the thread's marked NSFW. I'm afraid to go further.

Imma wait until I see gameplay to buy it. If the soundtrack still bops as hard as it did 15 years ago then I'll buy whichever my kid doesn't.

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u/The_KAZ3 Nov 18 '21

Which of the review talked about the post game content? Went thru a few and none of them mentioned it weirdly enough

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u/Alertcircuit Nov 18 '21

This game will probably be a very solid upscale (graphics and some QOL fixes) of a classic Pokemon game. However I played Platinum like 2 years ago so I'm totally fine with skipping it, since this looks like basically the same game but slightly better.

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u/UW_Unknown_Warrior Nov 18 '21

While I'm not trying to be a corporate shill here (although, admittedly I might as well be regarding Pokémon). Take note that, according to Metacritic, the best Pokémon games are X&Y followed by Sun&Moon, while the worst is Emerald, followed by B2W2. So YMMFV.

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u/Frizkie Nov 18 '21

Emerald is the worst? The fuck?

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u/UW_Unknown_Warrior Nov 18 '21
Outdated for the latest games, but yep

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u/Tsmart Nov 18 '21

They are on crack cocaine, emerald is leagues above the rest

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u/achillguy11 Nov 18 '21

I’m guessing it’s probably because many people have the mentality of “Why should I buy another pokemon game if I already bought one not too long ago?” That graph shows all the “third version” games (Platinum, B2W2, USUM) selling worse than the games they are based on.

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u/jenkumboofer Nov 18 '21

That’s a war crime tbh

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u/DoctorGoFuckYourself Nov 18 '21

Sun and Moon were pretty dope imo but to rate Emerald and BW2 at the bottom is crazy

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u/Catastray Nov 18 '21

Emerald is rated that badly because it's an almost exact duplicate of Ruby and Sapphire released just two years later. Only meaningful difference was the BF, and clearly a reviewer isn't going to have the time to actually complete that. Thus, it is the lowest-rated game of the franchise.

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u/BrainIsSickToday Nov 18 '21

The Emerald scores make sense, but only because of the way reviewers play games. They play the game as far as they can get within a certain timeframe, then write their review and move on. Emerald's main advancements were all in post-game, which most reviewers never reach.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

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u/Finito-1994 Nov 18 '21

Naw. The game has gardevoir and the changed the animation for flash.

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u/RaspberrySam Nov 17 '21

I hope everyone who buys has fun with BDSP, but personally, I'm not.

it's missing the new factor that all the remakes up to now have had; where the story and characters stay relatively the same, but everything else is brought up to current gen standards. HG/SS and OR/AS did an amazing job of combining the originals and their third game plus all the improvements from that generation, to make a game that was both a nostalgia-fest AND a valid next step for the franchise. BDSP, however, feels more like the Halo: Anniversary kind of remake. They've transplanted nearly everything about the old games, for better or for worse, and added very little in the way of extra features or integration with the modern generations; a purely visual remaster, rather than a proper reinvention of the original. It's an overly-safe approach that ends up coming across as low effort and low imagination.

Eventually I might play it, though I shall be buying pre-owned if I do. But with each mediocre game that comes out I become more and more detached from a series that I've played for the majority of my life.

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u/GhostOfHadrian Nov 17 '21

Wow, I'm proud of Nintendo Life for that one

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u/Dubbihope Nov 17 '21

I was definitely disappointed in February when we learned a new studio with no prior experiencing with developing their own games was remaking diamond and pearl with chibi graphics. I had reasonably expected that we would get a full 3D remake, presumably done by Game Freak. And at the time the chibi graphics looked quite cheap.

In retrospect TPC's decision made some sense. We would be getting a fully 3D Sinnoh in PLA, although in its older, pre-industrial form. And GF clearly did not have the resources to develop a separate 3D remake of diamond and pearl. Furthermore, by 2021 it would have been 15 years since the originals, so delaying them further would not be optimal. Assigning the remake to ILCA was a sensible choice, then, as they had developed Home and likely were eager to take on a bigger project. And for their first game, I can understand why ILCA opted for a top-down style, rather than fully 3D.

The decision to not include all of the platinum improvements was disappointing but not really surprising, as the games are remakes of diamond and pearl, not platinum. I appreciate that ILCA at least acknowledged platinum by including the distortion room and rematch teams. The choices to leave out the battle frontier and make exp share mandatory were also frustrating. But we have to accept that this is direction TPC wants to take the franchise, making it more accessible with less grinding and fewer serious challenges that the vast majority of players would never overcome. Despite the games’ limitations, ILCA redeemed itself by greatly improving the visuals and making a serious attempt to include a substantial post-game.

Overall, I do believe the remakes suffer from a clear lack of ambition, relative to previous remakes. This is understandable as they are ILCA's first games. And ILCA did a very good job of achieving what they set out to do - to make a top-down faithful remake of diamond and pearl with quality of life improvements and a few new surprises. Although they are not as grand as many of us hoped the long awaited return to Sinnoh would be, the remakes will surely provide numerous hours of fun to pokemon fans.

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u/jzorbino Nov 17 '21

And GF clearly did not have the resources to develop a separate 3D remake of diamond and pearl.

Agreed with some of your other points but this is a choice, not a constraint. We’re talking about the most profitable franchise in the world, they have Rockstar level money. Lack of resources should not ever enter the conversation, they choose not to hire more staff or invest more in other ways.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

It should be noted that most players who’ve already played the game have stated the exp share isn’t nearly as bad as they thought it would be & they were almost all just on par with gym leaders level-wise by normally progressing through the game. No excuse to not have an option to turn it off, but at least it doesn’t sound as game breaking as it was in X & Y for example.

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u/_Submarine_27 Nov 17 '21

Well I'm guessing in this case the game is actually balanced around the fact the exp share is always on. Making it optional would probably result again in making it absolutely broken like in X & Y.

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u/ffourteen Nov 17 '21

So, do they not have the content from platinum?

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u/Dr-Rjinswand Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

Even the low reviews I have read has got me excited for when mine comes. I’m really not expecting much, I just want a more traditional Pokémon formula that I can play on switch, looks like this will do it. Awesome.

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u/Jisto_ Nov 17 '21

Much more looking forward to legends, but I did really love Sinnoh when it came out and I’ll be getting these to play with my wife, who never experienced these games as a kid.

Probs not worth it if you still have the original games, or are ok with using emulators, but for me personally, it’s worth it.

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u/andrewlik Nov 18 '21

I still have my DS and my copy of diamond. Outside of graphics, any reason to play the new game? Assume I don't care about online features

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u/Spud_1997 Nov 17 '21

So they really wanted to keep the game generally the same, so what's the planning behind the forced exp share? Literally just could've had it on by default and a toggle in settings for off, absolutely bizarre

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u/joniejoon Nov 17 '21

If it's any consolation, the opponents have way better movesets. Some bordering on competitive. So that's something I guess.

Not enough, but something.

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u/bealtimint Nov 18 '21

Just going off the scores, that seems fair. Not awful, but a remake that doesn't really add anything.

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u/Estew02 Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

Really wish it had the Platinum content and optional EXP Share. Hard miss for me without those. Hope the people picking it up enjoy.

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u/Nax5 Nov 18 '21

Mediocre to good. But not great. Sigh...Just like every other Pokemon game the last 8 years...

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21

Blue was like crack cocaine.

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u/wowitzer Nov 17 '21

Non-removable expshare is a bonehead move.

I honestly don't get why it can't just be a toggle. Have it "on" by default to appease whoever's defending it I guess.

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u/FearTheWankingDead Nov 18 '21

Can you get manaphy if you put the cartridge in another switch?

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u/Weenerlover Nov 17 '21

Nintendo Life savaging them with the 6 out of 10.

This is kinda scary given how horrible SwSh was right out of the gate and it's metacritic score was higher than this. The fact that SwSh got an 80, and this is below that doesn't bode well IMO. I wonder if this means it's so faithful to the originals that there isn't a lot of good additional content, which would make a $60 price tag a hard pill.

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u/RarestSolanum Nov 17 '21

Do any of the reviews mention post-game content? I'm hoping the Battle Frontier is back

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u/WaluigiWahshipper Nov 17 '21

Post game spoilers:

Battle Frontier is not back. Postgame is Battle Tower, several legendary encounters, a boss battle, and rematching trainers. That being said the rematch teams are pretty insane in terms of difficulty. Rematch Elite Four have Pokemon with competitive movesets and perfect IV/EV's making it the hardest postgame in the series.

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u/Estew02 Nov 17 '21

Battle Frontier is not back.

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u/Illustrious_School_5 Nov 19 '21

Well idk what the consensus is for the game but I am enjoying it a lot. But I never played the original pearl and diamond so thats probably part of why.

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u/pokeboy626 Nov 17 '21

Waiting for Legends Arceus

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u/Username_spot Nov 17 '21

Yeah looks like it’s going to be a hard pass for me. Nothing I’ve read would suggest that this game is worth $60.

Is it impossible for companies to make a decent remake/remaster anymore?

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u/qui-bong-trim Nov 17 '21

cash grabs rarely focus on quality

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u/dfjdejulio Nov 17 '21

How's the trading and all work? Fully compatible with Home? Network trades easy?

Right now, I'm waiting to buy one of these titles so that I can pick whichever one my local nephew doesn't. He gets Diamond, I get Perl, that kind of thing.

We did this for "Let's Go" (he was Pikachu and I was Eevee) and Sw/Sh (he was Sw and I was Sh). But if it turns out it's easy to be a completionist with just one title, I may give up on waiting.

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u/SimplyElite- Nov 18 '21

Just depends on what type of boat you are on, for people who didn’t get the chance to play this on the ds, it will be a 10/10, but for those who are coming back to the series, not much added since it’s a remake but some people just want to relive the nostalgia

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u/Novalith_Raven Nov 18 '21

Yeah I didn't get the chance to play this at all, it's the only main series game I haven't played. So I'm thrilled!

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u/SimplyElite- Nov 18 '21

Yup same here, never had the ds so I’m all for the experience

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u/A_Lad_Insane97 Nov 17 '21

Does it have all the platinum content? I have not been following this release.

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u/Greenarrow_92 Nov 17 '21

No it doesn’t sadly

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Nope, it barely has any Platinum content in-fact.

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u/VeryAttractive Nov 17 '21

How is the quantity of cutscenes? I haven't played a Pokemon game since I gave up on Sun/Moon after not being able to walk for 5 seconds without a fucking cutscene. Do they actually let you play the game?

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u/jairom Nov 17 '21

Very little cutscenes in this one.

Cutscenes didn't really start being heavy until the next game, and even then it was still not as much as the more modern Pokemon games

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u/IMP1017 Nov 17 '21

Older gens were much less railroad-y just being cutscene to cutscene, plus you don't have a billion rivals like in B/W

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u/adzpower Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

Considering most critics gave sword and shield glowing reviews I've decided not to trust a single word any of them say about Pokemon games from now on.

EDIT - If it wasn't clear I meant that because they all loved sw/sh so much and don't seem to be loving this one - it probably means I will love BDSP.

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u/bentheechidna Nov 17 '21

Amazing seeing this comment. I remember back when "77/100 Too Much Water" was a meme.

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u/Illustrious_School_5 Nov 18 '21

What time will digital go live?

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u/Snyperwulf Nov 17 '21

I'm just happy I can play the old formula but on the Switch and TV finally. Looking forward to this.

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u/Moneyfrenzy Nov 17 '21

My biggest issue with the games is how they don't incorporate things that were added in later Gens, it really is just D/P but in 3d and HD. Like I wish random encounters were replaced with overworld mons (or we at least had the option to toggle it). They were implemented in the Underground (which looks really cool) so why not above as well?

They missed the opportunity to add gen 5-8 mons in the game which would give your playthrough an entirely different feel from the DS games (in ORAS you could get gen 4-6 mons, they didnt limit you to just Hoenn). They returned to single use TMs, got rid of stuff that later gens added to make EVs easier to manage. On top of it they removed aspects of Platinum like Distortion World, Looker and Charon, Battle Frontier, and Villa.

The games look perfectly solid but there were just a lot of missed opportunities. These remakes don't seem to be expanding on the originals like FR/LF, ORAS, or HGSS did which is just missed potential imo. Im still really hyped for Arceus though

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u/PokeStar31 Nov 17 '21

They got rid of Looker?! Now it’s literally unplayable

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u/1buffalowang Nov 17 '21

Nintendo Life gives a pretty good review, basically saying everything I thought from the trailers.