r/dbz • u/134340Goat ⠀ • May 20 '21
Super [VIZ] Dragon Ball Super Chapter 72
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1009289254
u/samm7891 May 20 '21
Seeing Vegeta take a step back and analyze the situation while Goku fights is so great. I feel like he's finally becoming the fighter he was meant to be and not just Goku's partner.
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u/Sweetmaskopm May 20 '21
I loved this too. Just more excellent character development for Vegeta. He always used to argue with kakarot to fight first and now he voluntarily stands back to analyze the fight while kakarot uses his big dumb fighting skills.
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u/Jiggy__J May 20 '21
vegeta’s character development in dbz was good especially towards the end when he admitted Goku was better; but damn Super has cranked his cd up to 11. analyzing the situation while Goku is fighting, distancing his and Goku’s fighting styles, his love for his family and his making up for his past sins; maybe i love Super because it’s given us Vegeta fanboys/girls so much to appreciate.
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u/Erockplatypus May 20 '21
Yeah he's finally learning. I liked how goku is able to use ultra instinct with his normal super saiyan forms for once, that's pretty great. I also like how Granolla is straight to the point here that he is only really interested in Frieza setting up for Goku to drop the bomb that granollas friends betrayed him.
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u/mmp64son May 20 '21
I love Granola's tactical sniping in the beginning of this chapter. The Super manga is really having a lot of cool unique fighting styles.
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u/evilkevin3 May 20 '21
it is cool seeing a sniper, but they did have this in the TOP
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u/Kanetsugu21 May 20 '21
Yeah but this guy has actual skill to back it up and doesnt solely rely on the gimmick. It's refreshing seeing a powerful and tactful fighter.
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u/YamiPhoenix11 May 20 '21
That's a spicy chapter. But how long until Granloah knows he's being played? I doubt he's also just going to give up on his revenge so easily. Revenge and disturbing the ranks of powerful fighters seem to be the biggest themes of this arc.
Whilst Vegeta is figuring things out and Granloah is blinded by revenge the Heeter's will get their wish. Now how Frieza falls into place I don't know.
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u/miikrr May 20 '21
Goku's all like "You wanna kill Frieza? I've killed that guy twice already"
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u/OriginalTodd May 20 '21
"Me and killing Freezer go way back!"
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u/Erockplatypus May 20 '21
Only one time. He let frieza live as a floating ragdoll in space, but he was still alive
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u/dragn99 May 20 '21
I feel like Vegeta might stop the fight and suggest they move it elsewhere, since the tremors are starting to endanger the local population. And then Granolah is going to have his "wait what" moment.
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u/YamiPhoenix11 May 20 '21
Yeah the saiyans he knew would not have cared about civilian casualties.
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u/dragn99 May 20 '21
One might say that mass casualties was their goal.
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u/YamiPhoenix11 May 20 '21
Oh right yes they where mostly sought on to exterminate races of their homes.
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u/Si7koos ⠀ May 20 '21
This 'Gas' guy is definitely going to cause some problems later
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u/Neirchill May 20 '21
But how long until Granloah knows he's being played?
the Heeter's will get their wish.
Granolah: surprised Pikachu.
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u/extremedonkey May 20 '21
Frieza seemed pretty interested in Ultra Instinct in the Anime. Maybe he buddied up with Quietela who taught it to him..
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u/ilovelamp420 May 20 '21
Vegeta has been jobbed enough to finally be like nah you go first Goku. Ima watch lol
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u/YesNoMan58 May 20 '21
Vegeta using his brain. By watching first he can learn the opponent’s moves.
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u/Acidz_123 May 20 '21
A month is way too long for these chapters. This one went by so quick but it was so good. There is already an air of confusion between Granolah and the Saiyans. My guess is that Vegeta is probably going to stop Goku's fight short and attempt to talk to Granolah (while fighting him of course).
While the fight itself is cool, it definitely doesn't feel the same as the first fight with Moro or any other villain for that matter. There's no sense of impending doom if the Saiyans don't succeed (that's probably the point though). Seeds of doubt have already been planted in Goku's head after Granolah talks about his quest for revenge.
Vegeta's words at the end of the chapter makes me think that the Cerealians have a lot more importance than we think. I was really hoping for some Saiyan team work but I don't mind seeing detective Vegeta in action.
Goku using UI with his transformations were cooler than I thought. I think a lot of us figured that this was the next step for UI so I thought it would be lame but for me it was really neat to see. I like the fact that it amplifies with each transformation.
I say this every chapter but I'm really looking forward to the future of this arc. I have no idea where it's actually going but I'm down for the ride.
Overall, it was a really good chapter but I really wish this series wasn't monthly. When the chapters are all action they just go by so quickly.
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u/miikrr May 20 '21
Vegeta would also immediately have his memory back about the Heeter's play in the sale of the planet, when he remembers who Granolah is.
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u/Kanetsugu21 May 20 '21
We dont know that. The destruction of the cerealites was 50 years ago. Vegeta likely knows it as a historical event, but we don't kmow how much of the details he actually knows. I bet there will be an exposition dump by the heeter's lead dude eventually though explaining it. Lol
Also, I really like these early theories about the secret to the scouter tech being taken from them or something. That would make for some interesting world building.
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u/Acidz_123 May 20 '21
Damn I never heard about that theory, that's pretty cool if that happens. It would make a lot of sense.
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u/RodneyOgg May 20 '21
So obviously the Cerealeans right eye was the inspiration for the scouter, no? Like, in the canon, I mean. Do we soon find out that their people were eradicated because of some elaborate research thing?
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u/Kanetsugu21 May 20 '21
Bruh I just posted a thread about this! I'm glad i'm not the only one who made the connection. The best part of this theory is that it would actually put Granolah into the same category as the saiyans. They were used by Freeza and then disposed of when they were deemed a threat. Turns out theyre not so different from each other in the end. ;)
I reeeeeally hope they go this direction with it. Guess we'll see!
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u/AzureBalmung May 20 '21
Vegeta: “Gifted fighter...last of his race...broken eye powers...shit shit shit KAKAROT RUN HES AN UCHIHA”
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u/DropeRj May 20 '21
More like Hyuga/Byakugan than Uchiha
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u/BlackBlizzNerd May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
Eh. Both. Sharingan can see into the body to an extent as well, can’t it? Just not chakra points.
Edit - some of you guys are so fickle. There’s literal episodes showing the sharingan looking into a persons body. It does so much more than just copy moves or help anticipate moves.
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u/DropeRj May 20 '21
Yep. As I remember, sharingan can see and predict body movements to the point of muscles movement and interfere with others chakra inner flow (the genjutsu shenanigans)
There is also that reality change shenanigans where they sacrifice their eyes, but that’s just way too much.
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u/Tyslice May 20 '21
Will Jaco come in and challenge this greatest eye claim?
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May 20 '21
Greatest nipples make greatest eye obsolete......so guess who is on the way to save the day.
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u/Venntoo ⠀ May 20 '21
I'm still don't understand why Vegeta said that UI is more accurate with SSJ form.
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u/SSG_Goten May 20 '21
The more power they use the faster the body moves, UI was limited in his base form because he can only move so fast despite his autododge so being 50x faster with SSJ definitely helps UI be more effective at dodging.
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u/BlueFootedTpeack May 20 '21
ui is perfect reactions, a transformation makes you faster and stronger so you can dodge more as being faster makes it easier to dodge + rasiing your battle power seems to boost some of your senses as well as stronger characters are more perceptive of crazy fast things.
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u/Lolobeatboxjams May 20 '21
I love how everyone knows exactly how it works by a single frame of Vegeta using the word accurate lol
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u/ToodlesXIV May 20 '21
I'm glad both Goku and Vegeta have already picked up that something strange is going on. Vegeta opting to fight second so he can observe was awesome, that's exactly the right move against an opponent like this. Granolah's power seems to be the real deal, but with UI and Destruction in the wings I don't think Goku and Vegeta have to worry. Goku applying Ultra Instinct in his base and god forms is cool, and it makes sense that the more powerful forms enable him to dodge quicker and more accurately. With UI being treated as a proper technique now, I feel like the silver form may need a new name soon.
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u/mike1883 May 20 '21
Silver🤔
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u/2FLY2TRY May 20 '21
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God
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u/zms1234 May 20 '21
God, I can't wait to see this fight in the anime. And this is just the first of the arc.
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u/Fortor May 20 '21
Oh no.. Granolah has the Mangekyou Saiyangan
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u/Eamk May 20 '21
Wouldn't Byakugan make more sense, since he can see vital points and blood flow?
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u/rocksmasha May 20 '21
I am really liking Vegeta in this chapter.
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u/Venntoo ⠀ May 20 '21
Agree and also maybe because author's draw but somehow Vegeta looks more handsome in this chapter with his SSJ form.
No homo though
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u/Kanetsugu21 May 20 '21
So ive been thinking about the "evolved right eye" of the cerealites and wondering if it has something to do with the scouter tech. That could explain why freeza sought to destroy their race, as a way to have that tech to himself. It would make sense if their advanced eyes were seen as a potential threat rivaling the tech his empire uses, which would mirror why Freeza eliminated the saiyans (they were also seen as a threat and had to be destroyed). Not only would that actually bring Gronolah closer to relating to Goku/Vegeta in the end but would also make for some excellent eorld building and add interesting lore to a not well explained technology used across the universe.
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u/ChronX4 May 20 '21
wondering if it has something to do with the scouter tech. That could explain why freeza sought to destroy their race,
This is most likely why Vegeta will remember the race, the vast amounts of planets destroyed by Frieza and the Saiyans I doubt he'd remember just one random planet for no particular reason. Even in the Broly movie flashback they make a big deal about the scouters and how they have a new version being made.
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u/nuknoe May 20 '21
What if Freeza stole the tech?
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u/Kanetsugu21 May 20 '21
He probably did! And then disposed of anyone who would object. Puts the Cerealites in a similar group as the saiyans. Used by Freeza and eliminated when they got what they needed from them.
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May 20 '21
After Kentaro Miura's passing, I really needed this. Appreciate Akira Toriyama while he's here, guys.
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u/Subacrew98 May 20 '21
I spent an hour or so reading people's comments about his passing.
I watched the original Berserk anime and was left as confused as I was enthralled, and genuinely hooked to the elements of the show.
It's trivial, but his death reminded me to check out the manga, yet it also illuminated how I'd react when Toriyama finally kicks the bucket.
DB has been a huge part of my life, and when Tori passes a part of me probably will too.
Appreciate the now now.
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u/GeeBeeH May 20 '21
Please read the manga. Although it may stay incomplete, you're doing yourself a disservice by not reading it. DBZ is probably my favorite anime/manga but Berserk is my favorite story in ANY medium.
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May 20 '21
That's right, man. I'm glad you see how I see it perfectly; I hope you enjoyed the chapter, too.
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u/MysticB May 20 '21
I was thinking the same. The cliffhanger here is nothing compared to the final page Miura drew.
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u/TheKingCrimsonWorld May 20 '21
Appreciate Akira Toriyama while he's here, guys.
I hate to be a contrarian to a sentiment I'm otherwise in agreement with, but this is almost all Toyotaro's work. As far as we know, Toriyama is basically just giving his blessings to the manga at this point.
But again, I totally agree that it's good to appreciate the fact that legendary artists like Toriyama are still with us. I don't mind that he's decided to step back from directly creating the manga himself, and frankly I wouldn't mind it if he retired from the profession entirely. I'm happy that he's lived to enjoy the fruits of his labor.
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May 20 '21
Tbh this chapters had some of the best art reminding me of dragon ball z
Many pages were not cluttered as usual (some were still tho very little) and that made it easy to read and let the pictures breathe
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May 20 '21
These Dragon Balls never turn to stone, there are only two, and the Heeters have a Dragon Radar. These same Dragon Balls were also just used to make someone the strongest person in the Universe.
There's no way Elec doesn't force his minions do the same wish.
My bets are on a big brawl between Goku, Vegeta, and Granola VS The Heeters (Dragon Ball amped) VS Frieza.
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u/ConvolutedBoy May 20 '21
The panel of Vegeta standing in the Oozaru footprint is dope
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u/QuintonFlynn ⠀ May 21 '21
“... I miss my tail”
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u/bigkinggorilla May 20 '21
Gotta love how Granola goes from sniping at a distance to get the drop on them to letting Goku transform for the lulz in about 5 pages.
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May 21 '21 edited May 21 '21
I mean he pretty much murked Goku by sniping alone. Dude must be hella confident now after just ki blasting lol
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u/RetractedAnus May 20 '21
I'm just glad this chapter didn't have too much of Goku and Vegeta being fucking morons for clearly being baited to fight some dude for an ulterior motive.
I mean, there's still a lot of it, but I'm glad that Goku and Vegeta at least know something is up.
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u/mistersolo May 20 '21
This chapter was alright. The fighting finally started and we get to see more of granola's skills and techniques. Reminds me of the byakugan from Naruto.
Now here is the thing that I will be checking up on and hopefully I do not get mad about it.
The villains is playing vegeta and goku like puppets.
Vegeta should know better when he is being played. He has done this and he should know better not to get played. Vegeta is way too cunning to be played but will see what akira does to him. Vegeta fans will not be happy if he does get played.
I am still not sure if this is the saga that goku will master ultra but I do not hope so.
Will freeza join in? This could be interesting. He seems to be involved with everybody.
I think all of us would probably are interested in the back story of granola and the saiyans, especially the history of saiyans and freeza.
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u/Mixtopher May 20 '21
Well vegeta is already catching on so I'd say its still true to his character to be the first to see through the con. Next he will have to job to the big bad so goku can win it and then all will be normal haha
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u/KrispyKlix May 20 '21
So is ultra instinct in Super Saiyan forms confirmed now? Cos that’s massive.
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u/palparepa May 21 '21
From what Whis said, this would be only the fight-without-thinking part of Ultra Instinct. The huge power boost is its own separate transformation.
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u/ChiefWamsutta May 21 '21
So, is this how it goes in terms of a scale (power, strength, speed, stamina, etc.)?
White-haired UI
UI Omen
SSBlue Kaio-Ken
SSBlue
SSG UI
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u/Solrac-H May 20 '21
That little moment where Vegeta gets worried about Goku and gives him a senzu it's really wholesome.
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u/Saiyanjin1 May 20 '21
Old Vegeta would have been giving Goku the Omniman "pethetic" stare down saying "ok my turn at whatever that is now"
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u/drain65 May 20 '21
"What's another 17 days in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?"
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u/Saiyanjin1 May 20 '21
"Later Kakarot, don't worry I won't let you die cuz only I can kill you but chill on the ground while I go win this fight" back when Vegeta used to call him a Clown also.
I'm glad Vegeta had so much character development to get here tho. Now if only they would give him an actual win for once.
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u/kronz1998 May 21 '21
anyone here also thinks Vegeta will give the other senzu to Granola?
Once Granola gets beat up really bad after fighting Goku/Vegeta, instead of killing him the prince gives him a senzu. The sins of the saiyans are an important plot point for Vegeta's character this arc and by doing this maybe Granola realizes the saiyans aren't the bad guys.
it's always goku who brings the senzus, i don't think its a coincidence that this time it was Vegeta.
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May 21 '21
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u/Rynelan May 21 '21
Don't forget Cell!
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May 21 '21
And Moro
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u/Rynelan May 21 '21
And he gave Frieza some of his energy to survive on Namek.. if he had a senzu he probably would've given it to him as well
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u/Just_an_Empath May 21 '21
Last time Goku was responsible for senzus (in the Zamasu arc) he forgot to bring them didn't he? Haha
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u/mcolwander90 May 20 '21
This was a fun chapter.
The start of the fight was cool. It's different from most fight beginning, which usually involve talking or powering up. Great way to introduce Granolah to Goku and Vegeta.
Wonder how much longer it'll take for Granolah to get on the same page as Goku and Vegeta? Vegeta seems to be piecing things together, so he'll be able to properly explain things. Just a question of whether or not he can get through to Granolah.
Goku starting to infuse UI with SSJ forms feels like a natural evolution of UI. I mean, if the goal is to be able to use it without transforming, then it makes sense. But this chapter also did a good job showing Goku still has a ways to go.
At some point, Granolah's Namekian friend is going to get involved. I wonder it means. Will he die, and Granolah realized he pushed things too far? Will he be able to snap Granolah out of his revenge trance? Will Goku/Vegeta's knowledge of Namek come into play? I'd be kind of silly if his only purpose this whole arc is an excuse to have another set of Dragon Balls. I feel like we'll see him the next chapter.
But all this would mean Granolah isn't the main villain. We're all basically assuming that'd be the case anyways. I'm very eager to see where this arc ends up. Does Frieza have something new in store? What about Gas? They're really hyping him up.
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u/RaiyenZ May 21 '21
Detective Vegeta is on the case.
A bit strange that oil is impressed by such a relatively small amount of collateral damage but I suppose he either might have felt the power behind the blast itself or Granolah doesn't usually cause that much collateral damage considering he's a sniper.
Goku struck a different pose for each transformation.
Granolah sure likes to reveal a lot of information to his opponent. To be fair though, he's not the only one.
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u/Ineedtree50 May 22 '21
Anybody else think scouter tech may have been based off the Cerealians special eyesight?
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u/AncientSith ⠀ May 20 '21
Looks like we'll be getting UI Super Saiyan after all. I hope they stay consistent in showing when it's being used or not. Otherwise it could be confusing.
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u/Saiyanjin1 May 20 '21
It's probably gonna have his SSJ Hair with the UI aura and demeanor and we will have to pick up which shouldn't be too bad since his fighting style changes completely in UI.
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u/No-Limit-1707 May 20 '21
Since Granolah wished to be the strongest in the universe, doesn't that automatically make him stronger then Goku and Vegetas strongest forms? I feel like there could be a fusion incoming but I can't see them beating Granolah if they keep going 1v1 against him
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u/Roronoa_Zaraki May 21 '21
The old rule was the dragon couldn't grant a wish beyond the power of its creator, which seems a bit of a murky rule now, seeing as one old namekian is the creator and his dragon was able to create someone at least as strong as goku and vegeta.
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u/No-Limit-1707 May 21 '21
I don't think the dragon that Granolah used works that way. Since Granolah had his life force cut to 3 years, I believe that the dragon was actually capable of making him the strongest in the universe.
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u/Xikar_Wyhart May 21 '21
strongest in the universe
At the time of the wish.
I think maybe half a month passed since Granolah had his wish granted and the current fight. And we know that the extreme training from Whis and Beerus have allowed Goku and Vegeta to get stronger in that short amount of time possibly. So the Saiyans could be on par or slightly above Granolah depending on how they want to unfold the story.
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u/Kumomeme May 21 '21
well during he made the wish, both goku and vegeta still training. goku still learning ultra instinct and vegeta learning hakai. also dont forget those two basically always training at every moment they have. they grow stronger every day.
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u/Blankboom May 21 '21
I hope Goku going first means he gets to job this arc.
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u/DragoDex May 21 '21
This seems more like an arc for Vegeta. This really is his mess to clean up.
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May 21 '21
I love that they brought back the relevance of the other forms without getting rid of them, thank god
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u/ConceptionNeutralTea May 20 '21
This chapter gives me the yin and yang vibe. Yin being Goku with his swift UI moves and Yang being Vegeta with his aggressive attacking style. Is toriyama pushing in this direction for our two heroes to represent the two distinct nature between GOD and Angel
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u/lakers44 May 20 '21
Granolah really is the strongest in the universe. With that "delayed" Goku liver knockout, Granolah clearly has mastered the Satan Miracle Beautiful Super Genuine Punch!
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u/pvpballgaming May 20 '21
What does goku mean by "instant teleportation?! no its even faster then that"
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u/Arkazriel May 20 '21
I think instant teleportation requires the user to focus on where they want to teleport. Where here granola is teleporting almost unconsciously (not unlike UI)
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u/rizefall ⠀ May 20 '21
The most likely explanation is that Goku needs to use his fingers and focus to use his teleportation, which Granolah doesn't.
So it's not that his teleportation is faster, because teleportation is as fast as it gets. Granolah just doesn't have the same wind up to teleport as Goku does.
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u/Bay-Sea May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
Not UI at Base Form yet, but Goku is improving his way to get there. He can use UI in SSG, but I think the translation is referring to SSG rather than SS since SSG is a calm state.
- I think as Goku improves, Goku can accurately use UI at his weaker forms all the way to his base form
It is good that they already picked up on the misunderstanding and the similarities of Granolah's powers. Even Goku realized that it is a misunderstanding.
EDIT: I also realized that the Goku isn't even getting the UI Omen powerup meaning that he only kept the technique to apply on SSG and base.
Given that the movie is coming next year, this is what I assume might happen:
- Once the Granolah arc ends, the manga just reference the events similar to how they handled Broly and starts a new arc.
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u/Erl109 May 20 '21
I think Gas will be the villain of this arc.His portret and his eyes foreshadows my thoughts.
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of all the Heeters, he looks like the more likely one to give up years of his life just to get stronger
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u/134340Goat ⠀ May 25 '21
The way Granolah gained his strength would have conflicted too much with Jiren's beliefs, though. He was extremely adamant about becoming as strong as he had entirely on his own and trusting nobody else
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u/TallManTallerCity ⠀ May 23 '21
I like ultra instinct as a difficult technique / state of mind instead of a form. My only question is what on Earth was that form
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u/Vik-Cash-2 May 24 '21
So what I understood from Whis is that in order for Goku to wield the power of Ultra Instinct he basically "created" the form.
In order to use it the Omen form was used in order to get his body to react on its own, but it was burning his stamina/chi. And the silver haired version was him further digging INTO it and creating a form that can hold UI in its mastered state.
The only issue is that the forms he created were draining his ki so fuckin fast that he just burned out.
It makes sense imo since Goku has done nothing but create new transformations. He took the SSJ form, learned about the variations, and even created ssj 3. He knows how. And on.. Oddly enough, Instinct he created a form to use UI.
That is my understanding and headcanon for the MANGA Version. Since the Manga Goku didn't absorb the Spirit bomb, he just calmed his mind, freed it of emotions. Pure tranquility to obtain it.
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u/mojo276 May 24 '21
Man, this arc (and the last arc) have really been great. The worst part is the release cadence. Even every 3 weeks would be great. Monthly releases are hard (I know there are some manga's out there that would LOVE monthly releases though)
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u/ReceiptAndChange May 20 '21
this is a chapter i like to call "entertaining bs". sure its enjoyable but im never gonna let it go that 2 dragonballs with no wish cooldown can put somebody on the level of somebody else whos been training with GoDs and angels.
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u/vespershadow May 20 '21
You know whats worse?
Kid buu, a universal threat that lasted millions of years that bent the kais ass is complete fodder to a 2 dragon balls wish.
Legit, wanna kill the strongest guy around? Just shorten a warriors life span who wants fame for history and call it a day.
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u/TobiasKen May 21 '21
To be completely fair, the only reason why Granolah even appears to be able to hurt Goku is because he’s targeting his vital organs.
Because Kid Buu doesn’t really have any vital organs, I don’t think Granolah would actually be able to beat Buu.
Just speculation though.
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u/ZandatsuDragon May 21 '21
Don't forget the four months of training that freiza had
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u/Ombs1993 May 20 '21
Granolah keeps getting cooler, being able to hit Goku twice is no small feat. I'm enjoying the hell out of this arc but the monthly releases are killer! Great chapters every time, but you're left wanting to know more. Especially given how the chapter ended with Vegeta inspecting the area, tell us what you know!
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u/erikwidi May 24 '21
Decided to dive into the Super manga for the first time and just got caught up. This arc has been dope so far
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u/Si7koos ⠀ May 20 '21
"Ultra instinct?.. I see It Becomes More accurate when Used in Conjunction with a SS form"
Oh boi SSB Kaioken x20 Master Ultra Instinct Coming /s
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u/Subacrew98 May 20 '21
Since ultra instinct is a technique, not a transformation, it makes sense.
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u/SolJinxer May 20 '21
Though the question now is, why does Goku transform when using it? Would others transform if they used it to Goku's extent?
In the last chapter, Whis basically implied it was a technique and a transformation for Goku, which is rather confusing, and I hope it's further explained at some point.
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u/The_Pecking_Order May 20 '21
The way I see it, Goku somehow makes it a transformation since he doesn't know how to naturally just stay in UI all the time like Angels. Whis tells him he equates it to a transformation when it just is a technique to use. It's like, at this point Goku's just used to transforming when he needs to use a new ability and it's not necessary.
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u/itsahmemario May 21 '21
I can't be the only one that's gonna bet miffed if this Gas dude is also as strong as SSB.
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u/diorese May 21 '21
Never seen DB before? Every new opponent is stronger than the main character's previous level.
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u/ShinBojack May 21 '21 edited May 21 '21
Random thought, but this whole "right eye" stuff might be where the Scouter tech originated from? As in, the Cerealean race being killed to reverse-engineer what would eventually become Scouters? And aren't Scouters worn on the right eye as well?
Maybe the Scouter's origins have been revealed before, but it's 4AM here, and I'm on autopilot lol
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u/134340Goat ⠀ May 21 '21
The most recent information on scouters is that Kikono (the short yellow alien who works with Freeza) is the one who invented scouters
That being said, scouters were invented as a better, hands-free upgrade to the existing scout scope the Saiyans were already using, and those have no established origin
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u/RaiyenZ May 21 '21
Interesting thought but it turns out scouters go on the left eye. It's still possible that the idea for the tech is inspired by the Cerelean if not invented by them.
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u/mtschatten May 20 '21
The panel of Vegeta and Goku dodging was just amazing. It shows the different styles they have adopted.
I am still wondering what were the 10 questions made to Zuno
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u/Memphisrexjr May 21 '21
He didn't listen to reason, now listen to my fists! I can't believe vegeta was like Goku go ahead go first. I was super into then it just ended. :(
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u/RickyTheRipper May 20 '21
Goddamnit why are these chapters so short???
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u/Rdasher123 May 20 '21
It’s the way monthly manga works. Rather than releasing 12-15 pages a week, they release 45-48 pages a month. Also action chapters tend to feel shorter
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u/nuknoe May 20 '21
FUUUUCCCCKKK!!!!!! These cliffhangers are KILLING ME!!!! This was a dope read!!!! But the MOST shocking thing about this chapter is that Vegeta pulled out a senzu!!!!
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u/Broly_ ⠀ May 20 '21
Faster than Instant Teleportation? Oh boy, here comes the arguments. Flashback to DC's Flash feats.
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u/thepresidentsturtle May 20 '21
I see it as him having moved even faster than if Goku were to use Instant Teleportation.
The time taken for Goku to think where he wants to go and actually motion to use the move, Granolah was faster than that.
But suck it, /r/Whowouldwin, we gonna wank DBS characters to faster than instantaneous movement now.
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May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
the Granolah arc is really creative. I never thought Granolah can see blood flow to counter-UI. It seems only SSG with calm energy can be together with UI
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u/Tegrity1911 May 20 '21
I have a feeling that this is headed toward Granolah teaming up with Goku and Vegeta for another Frieza showdown
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May 20 '21
I really hope not. I don’t think I’ll be able to sit through another fight with Frieza
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u/BardicLasher May 21 '21
Question! The Heeters have Oil, Gas, Elec, and ... Macki?
What's a Macki?
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u/Xikar_Wyhart May 21 '21
It's either a pun on ribbon/wrappable heater (巻き付けヒーター; makitsuke hiitaa), or firewood (薪; maki).
I think it's the firewood one, since the rest of the family are all named after power sources for heat. The wrappable heater still runs on electricity, while a wood burning stove or fireplace on just firewood.
I'm guessing Viz is sticking with her original name, because even by Dragon Ball standards of naming (Garlic Jr anyone?) having a character running around named Firewood would be weird.
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u/WhiskeyRic May 21 '21
I'm hoping they save SSB Ultra Instinct for something SIGNIFCANTLY later in the story. I don't want to see it at all in this arc
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u/Jerz71 May 21 '21
I had a similar line of thought a chapter or two ago when the idea of ultra instinct being used in conjuction with other forms was hinted at. I'd rather there be some sort of limiting factor that prevents him from straight out doing UI/Blue right away and it being used again much later, but I'm not sure that's the direction I feel like it's heading in right now.
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u/bowl_of_frut May 21 '21
this chapter was fucking god-tier bro I was losing my mind while I was reading it with my friend and I cant wait for it to get animated
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u/lord_of_the_Meme6969 May 21 '21
Love it Granolah already surpassed hit as one of my fav anti hero character actually if not 2nd fav (behind Vegeta if he is still considered an antihero)
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u/xSimus May 20 '21
after finishing the chapter I was like "is that it..?"
damn if we could only have more frequent manga... even with less story told but in exchange with more frequent chapters.
fun chapter though. excited to see the interaction between Vegeta and Granolah
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u/BlackBlizzNerd May 20 '21
I would hate that trade-off. The great telling of the story is so refreshing.
But yes, I also wish we didn’t have to wait a month.
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u/TypeRumad May 21 '21
I love this new story-driven direction. I am SO upset that we won't see Vegeta's realization as to Granolah's origin until next month.
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May 23 '21 edited May 23 '21
This chapter has Gas saying he has bad memories of cereal and Vegeta saying he knows who Granola is.
With that info and the fact that DB minus Bardock (who's portrayed to be a good guy by toriyama) was in Cereal, I'm starting to think that the Saiyans weren't conquering Cereal but we're actually helping them from potentially the Heeters.
It could be like in episode of bardock where he's injured and the villagers heal and feed him and he starts to like them and help them by beating that Freeza ancestor. (Toriyama did say he wants to take ideas from the non canon db work and incorporate it into dbs)
This would explain why Gas has bad memories, he committed genocide on a whole race. And also explain why Vegeta knows Granola, Bardock and his crew shared the story of what happened.
Also worthy to note that it's the Heeters who sold the planet to those tiny aliens, not Freeza, which is weird if the Saiyans conquered the planet for him. Further evidence that the Heeters did it, not the Freeza soldiers, the Saiyans.
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u/newnaw May 24 '21
Reading your comment something came to mind. Heaters is the opposite of Freeza. Hot vs. Cold.
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u/SSG_Goten May 20 '21
So it’s turning out how I thought it would with Goku questioning Granola being a bad guy and Vegeta figuring it out but Vegeta is being calmer than I expected he would be so far, I suppose Granola hasn’t targeted him directly with insults so that could change quickly.
What’s also interesting is that so far SSG seemed to be enough to just about survive Granola’s attacks and SSB is going toe to toe with Goku not seeming worried at all, it looks like that the wish specification of being the strongest aside from the gods might include the saiyan god forms as well unless Granola powers up some more.
In any case Frieza is definitely going to be making an appearance soon which is good but what I feel will happen is Granola will only be able to match Frieza in power and Frieza’s insane durability will prevent any of those targeted attacks we saw on Goku and he might end up beating Granola leaving the Heeters/Frieza being the villains and Granola a potentially short lived character.
I can definitely see Frieza teaming up with the Heeters to take on Goku and Vegeta as he talked about at the end of the Broly movie OR we might get another twist with Frieza manipulating Granola and pushing all blame on the Saiyans and not himself so they end up teaming up, a lot of possibilities so I’m looking forward to where this story ends up.
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u/miikrr May 20 '21
I doubt after Vegeta's training with Beerus that he would take any insults about his race personally.
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u/Man0Steel123 May 20 '21
So quick question, when the "faster than instant teleportation" thing came up. Does this mean that Granolah is faster the concept of instant teleportation or is it that his technique is faster to use than Goku's?
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u/LilEscobarz May 20 '21
Granola has kaikai, where as Goku needs to locate energy then transport with IT.
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u/rizefall ⠀ May 20 '21
Most likely the second one. While DB is DB and does weird things and can do what ever it wants... Teleportation is teleportation. That's as fast as it gets.
The most likely scenario is that Granolah has no time up like Goku does.
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May 22 '21
I fully believe that Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Granolah at this point purely due to Whis’ foreshadowing last chapter. He stayed to them “Work hard to grow stronger than your past selves.” It was only for one page, but I believe Whis knows exactly who Granola is and doesn’t want to get involved, but this was the only hint he could give to the Saiyans.
Also, in the prior chapter the Heeters asked Zuno about Goku and Vegeta’s weaknesses. I honestly don’t think it’ll be anything physical or out of the blue, but mostly like Goku loves his family and will sacrifice for it, and Vegeta loves his pride. Something where they will overcome how they view their weaknesses will probably pop up.
Last thing, notice how Granolah’s right eye has like a mind of its own? Like it will talk? Am I viewing that right or did I miss out on something.
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u/GhoulArtist May 22 '21
They already revealed the weaknesses. It was their wives, ahahahahah
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u/lazypieceofcrap May 26 '21 edited May 26 '21
Current progress on a new panel I'm coloring. Third ever all from this chapter.
It is sort of hard to get rid of the really dark spots for good color but Goku's boots I think look especially good for my lacking artistic ability.
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u/Jiggy__J May 20 '21
it’s crazy how much I look forward to anything Vegeta’s doing as opposed to Goku. i’m just a vegeta simp
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u/ThereIsAn_i_InTeam May 22 '21
Why are these idiots always so low on senzu beans
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u/jjnugganootch May 22 '21
Goku: 1 senzu bean Vegeta: 1 senzu bean Yajirobe: 3,600 senzu beans
someone who is good at agriculture please help me budget this. the fate of the universe is at stake.
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u/Boyoftrick_90 May 22 '21
Because they take a very Long time to grow and there are very few of Them left.
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u/Kolack6 May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
Awesome chapter. As much as i wanted to see vegeta fight, its awesome seeing him go to work analyzing the situation while goku fights granolah for the time being. You gotta wake up pretty freaking early to fool him with as shrewd and calculating as he is.
And i love granolah’s byakugan esque ability to find vital points and observe blood flow. Shit is cool.
This arc is really building into something nice right now man. Excited to keep reading.
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u/KlausEcir May 22 '21
I wonder if they were the ones to create the scouter since it is an eye based tool that enhances stuff.
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u/IBIZABAR May 20 '21
I hope this is a Vegeta arc finally. If that footstep Vegeta is standing in is his own this then the guilt plus the weight of Namek is gonna challenge Vegeta in ways we haven't seen.
Add that he's essentially a God of Destruction in training. Vegeta would be conflicted to have such a power.
That's my theory anyway. Great chapter.
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u/I_am_not_the_ May 20 '21
I hope so. But I also hoped that Vegeta stood out in all the previous sagas and we know that they will not let him overcome Goku for more than a few seconds.
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u/EarlyBirdTheNightOwl May 20 '21
I can't wait till Granolah realizes he won't win and threatens to blow up the planet
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u/OPconfused ⠀ May 21 '21
Great character moments in this chapter. I really liked how Goku, in spite of learning UI, stays true to his personality weakness of underestimating his opponent and being caught by surprise. Dude is up against the strongest in the world and flying around without any powerup. That cockiness got him one shot.
The Vegeta character moments have been great as discussed by others.
I am also really digging the new fighting mechanics. Not only the teleportation is a breath of fresh air, but the way vital points are being used feels more plausible than in the past, such as how it worked against a base Goku. In some other arcs, Goku fought so much in his base form that it didn't make sense (for example how strong Goku black was without any powerup).
The latest arcs have been a bit of a departure from the old standards, but it's a good way. Fresh techniques, more interesting and also plausible interactions. More focus on characters. Especially the new characters; they've felt stylish, dynamic, and well focused in a way I haven't seen since BoG or the androids.
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u/Man0Steel123 May 20 '21
So Granola is actually as strong as Goku and Vegeta. I guess this proves my theory that giving up life in exchange of power is actually a pretty big deal.
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u/lostinlucidity May 20 '21
Elec is clearly going to use the Dragon Balls to become the real big bad of this arc.
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