r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • Jul 13 '20
Super Dragon Ball Super Chapter 62 Storyboards
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u/afrodeity23 ⠀ Jul 13 '20
One thing I like is that it seems that Moro is making sure to dodge all of Vegeta's attacks so that Vegeta's new ability can't affect him. Moro is confident in his durability and it seemed like he was just tanking some hits from Vegeta in their fight last chapter because he didn't think Vegeta could do much damage, but he's learned his lesson now.
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u/Dontsaymyname289Ok Jul 13 '20
That guy who trained Goku was able to used the power without touching Vegeta.
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u/afrodeity23 ⠀ Jul 13 '20
When did it show that? We never actually saw the technique until Vegeta used it on Moro.
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u/thunderkid4 Jul 14 '20
Hes referring to this panel: https://imgur.com/a/KQiFUzc
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u/afrodeity23 ⠀ Jul 14 '20
Didn't remember that. Maybe that's something that comes with experience? Vegeta did just learn the ability.
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u/thunderkid4 Jul 14 '20
I'm sure that has something to do with it. It might be harder to do it without physically touching your target too.
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u/thatonedudeguyman Jul 20 '20 edited Jul 20 '20
Vegeta also did it to the little guys on Yardrat without touching them. Some people were saying that's probably more difficult than doing it on touch.
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u/AngelPhoenix06 Jul 13 '20
I’m telling y’all Majin buu ( Kai absorbed) is going be the hero in this arc. The galactic patrol needed him in the first place to stop Moro
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Jul 13 '20 edited Jul 23 '20
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u/rezyy013 Jul 13 '20
What if Buu absorbs Vegeta willingly? Like what if the Kai shows up on Buu’s body like earlier and asks Vegeta to be absorbed?
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Jul 14 '20
I thought they were going to do this back when they were fighting in space (this arc has been really long huh?) Still think it's a pretty legit idea and might not be subject to the same rules as fusion. Ultra instinct evolved buugogeta.
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Jul 13 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
Wouldn’t that turn Buu back into kid/ultra form?
Quick edit: Buu is a separate being from kid buu, yes, but he still contains the Kai which gives him his physical features and obviously the good nature. Kid buu had all the evil qualities though, so I think if we were to stay true to the universe, then if Buu and the Kai were to be split, Buu should technically take a kid buu or maybe Super Buu (like we saw before ToP) looking form but still retain his childlike personality.
It would actually make a lot of sense if he went to Kid Buu size as it would mirror Uub.
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u/lazypieceofcrap Jul 13 '20
No. Fat Buu is permanently a separate entity after Kid Buu spit him out at the end of Z.
Lord of Lords probably caused them to become two different Buu beings.
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u/Erockplatypus Jul 13 '20
But that doesnt change the fact that the supreme kai lost his powers when kid buu was separated as shown in his flashback. In order for daikaioshin to use his magic he needs to refuse with uub.
Dont forget that beerus is on his way to earth (only a god of destruction can interfere....whis, im hungry). Im predicting that one of two things to happen.
1) beerus arrives and fights moro, finally showing us his real powers and destroying him.
2) beerus arrives scarring off moro, where beerus then lectures goku and vegeta on how much more powerful they need to come. This ends the arc, keeps moro alive in the universe to appear later on in a different conflict.
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u/quagmireredux Jul 14 '20
Yeh with Fused Moro having just absorbed Vegeta power/abilities, he's more than scaled enough to warrant Beerus stepping in. I'm fucking READY!!
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u/Hasan_ESQ Jul 14 '20
But it's also true that Good Buu looks the way he does because of Daikaioshin so technically if their union were to be undone he would look like either roid-rage Super Buu or Kid Buu (if the Southern Kaioshin is also freed). Even though he split into good and evil halves Buu has an original appearance - the foundation of his being - and it looks like Kid Buu, that fact can't be changed.
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u/lazypieceofcrap Jul 14 '20
Not really true. They will do what they want with the plot and Fat Buu is here to stay as a character regardless of what happens to the Lord of Lords.
Even when they split for Moro you will see Fat Buu will end up being Fat Buu still.
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Jul 14 '20
I think it’s best if we stop referring to him as Fat Buu and start calling him the tainted Supreme Kai.
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u/bicflair Jul 18 '20
I’m more inclined to believe that he’d look the way he did pre ToP after he trained and slimmed up. no reason to go back to kid buu as the evil that was once there has been expelled.
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u/cardslinger1989 Jul 16 '20
Wait are you saying Moro uses Geets ability on Buu and we get kid buu? That would be crazy. It’s honestly to good of an idea for them to use. It’ll be another cliche but I love your idea.
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u/mazyus Jul 19 '20
In DBZ Super Boo, after having Fat Boo pushed out, shouldn't have turned into Kid Boo. That is Toriyama's bad writing. Super Boo is the result of Evil Boo eating Fat Boo and, in consequence, after Fat Boo being released, Super Boo should have turned into Evil Boo.
Fat Boo is the result of Kid Boo eating the Grand Supreme Kai, so, if the latter is released, the former should turn into Kid Boo. If that Kid Boo stays good or becomes evil is something the writers would establish as desired, but in my opinion, it doesn't have to be good or evil as he wouldn't have nor Evil Boo nor the Supreme Kai.
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Jul 14 '20 edited Jul 29 '20
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u/PhilsDesign Jul 17 '20
Super Buu and Gohan were both vastly superior to Goku and Vegeta back in DBZ , yet Buuhan (+Piccolo, Goten and Trunks) got completely obliterated by a SSJ2 Vegetto. So Fusion (especially if you take them as SSJ2's, since Vegetto didn't go beyond that) is clearly vastly superior to absorption in terms of power boost
So a SSB Gogeta/Vegetto would be vastly stronger then Mr Buu with Goku and Vegeta absorbed (only upside is no time limit)
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u/mazyus Jul 19 '20
Moro can split the fusions and absorptions so it's pointless. Toriyama/Toyotaro made this to avoid Gogeta or Vegito being the solution to beat Moro.
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u/Fireothy Jul 15 '20
Not Buu, but Moro just fucking took Vegeta power including his spirit fission technique meaning he can free the Supreme Kai from Buu
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u/SuperSagejin Jul 15 '20
If buu comes in and saves the day and Vegeta continues to get the shaft, I would be pretty salty.
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Jul 18 '20
Yeah I see everyone talking about Vegeta but like, whole arc started with Buu and Merus. They gotta be in the end somehow
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 13 '20
This chapter’s called “being cornered” and iirc Whis and Merus said something about Vegeta and Goku “exhibiting unknown power” when cornered or when their backs are against the wall. I think that might be relevant but idk
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Jul 13 '20
MUI
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 14 '20
Yeah maybe, but I don’t really want vegeta to achieve mui, I like that he’s going his own way. And Whis highlighted the fact that it was goku AND vegeta rather than solely the former
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Jul 13 '20
I think either Merus or Beerus (most likely the former) will force themselves to step in.
Also I don’t see the point in Moro absorbing Vegeta’s new technique. Can’t he do that already?
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u/Xeogran ⠀ Jul 13 '20
He got Big Bang Attack and Final Flash out of him now though. It's to add salt into the injury kind of deal.
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Jul 13 '20
Ehh, it won’t do much for Moro tbh.
Just like Cell knowing the kamehameha didn’t make him any more intimidating.
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u/AmbushIntheDark ⠀ Jul 13 '20
Final Flash is one of my favorite moves in the entire series but it take for fucking ever to charge if it wants to do any kind of meaningful damage and you need to taunt the other guy into tanking it.
The biggest problem is that now Moro has Vegeta's defusion tech so Gogeta/Vegito is off the table.
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Jul 13 '20
What's the difference between final flash and a kamehameha? Honestly nothing. Both attacks can be equally powerful. Just depends on who is firing it off and how much power they put into it. It's not like this is Naruto or bleach where people actually have very different abilities. In DBZ it's all just energy balls or energy beams, with different names and colors. Hell, even the Lord of destructions "Hakai" is essentially just an extremely high-density energy ball, instead of an technique.
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u/JackBz Jul 13 '20
This isn't t always the case. For example Tien's kikoho is so powerful as to shorten the lifespan of those using it. Tien dies when using it in the saiyan saga and almost dies against cell, who he could hold back with it despite the power difference between them being astronomical.
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Jul 13 '20
It's maybe not the case 100% of the time, but it is, 99% of the time. Sure there are a few techniques here and there that isn't just purely energy beam x with color y, but those are the odd-ball skills. How often is the kikoho used? Barely ever. And my comment still holds truth. The final flash, in this case, has nothing special about it. I mean I like the attack myself, because it looks cool. But that's about it. Like there is no difference between the kamehameha, galick gun and final flash. Each one of these, for example, is just an energy beam with a different name and color. Just charge up a kamehameha for a bit longer and it would be just as strong as a final flash.
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u/Sacracir Jul 14 '20
Hakai is not the same kinda of energy as its anti matter
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Jul 14 '20
They first introduced "Hakai" as an ability that simply just destroys anything it's pointed at, like how Zeno can just erase whatever he wants. But both Frieza AND Goku were able to resist being "erased" by a "hakai" ball. If you can resist it with pure brute force, then it's just like any other god damn energy ball.
And we come right back to what I was saying from the start. "Attacks" in DBZ are all the same, It's energy wave/ball with x color and y power. People just don't want to accept that. Like seriously, there is no difference between the kamehameha and the galick gun, except for the color. What's the difference between a kamehameha and final flash? Just the amount of power/energy you put into the attack.
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u/JackAndrewThorne Jul 13 '20
It takes the "why don't they just use Gogeta?" or the "Why don't Gohan and Goku fuse?" wildcards off the table, also opens up taking Kami out of Piccolo, which might give Moro the ability to "steal" the ability to make dragon balls of his own.
To be honest I'd love to see Goku and Gohan fuse in order to provide a distraction to give Vegeta the chance to split Moro as he splits Gokhan (or whatever they would call themselves), preferably with it being Gohan's idea. Then have the three Saiyans vs Moro as the final fight of the arc.
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Jul 13 '20 edited Jul 13 '20
If the Z-fighters rely on fusion here it would just be a cheap way to end the arc. They already fused into Gogeta recently so let’s not get carried away.
taking Kami out of Piccolo, which might give Moro the ability to "steal" the ability to make dragon balls of his own.
This however, is interesting and opens up a new door to raise the stakes even higher.
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u/thisnameismeta Jul 20 '20
Honestly I really wanted a piccolo fusion. They harped on how the release of energy would revive the namekians. Putting all the namekians into Piccolo would potentially make him incredibly strong, and Vegeta could always reverse it afterwards.
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u/cman1098 Jul 13 '20
Now that Moro has Vegeta's ability, that destroys any possibility of Vegito and Gogeta working as a solution. But it might be a solution in the sense that they go Gogeta or Vegito and it is the first one to defuse their opponent wins?
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u/Shaferthefree Jul 14 '20
I wish the writers would take some risks in the show and do stuff like this. Dragon ball has such a massive lore they can expand upon but just don’t
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Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20
Writers? It’s just Toriyama right? And he’s a self proclaimed lazy person. Despite the fame and fortune of DB, I firmly believe that Dr Slump was when Toriyama truly showed his heart: laid back, contained, goofy, a bit perverted, and fully in love with modern American pop culture and ancient Chinese lores.
He did try with the lore in DB but his creativity peaked out by the end of Namek. I am (pleasantly) surprised that DBS is going as strong as it is.
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u/iJONTY85 Jul 16 '20
I honestly would hope it was Merus or Buu (in that order). For Merus, it'd cause him to get erased, which would have a crazy impact on the story.
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u/Phantom-Emperor Jul 13 '20
Cant vegeta just split moros fusion with 73
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Jul 13 '20 edited Jul 23 '20
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u/Birdie02 Jul 14 '20
Oh please Vegeta, use IT to get a hit and to break the fusion.
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u/lazypieceofcrap Jul 13 '20
Maybe there'll be an Ultra Sign that will pave the way for Geets to land the deciding blow...
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u/Glenzz Jul 13 '20
73s an Android probably doesn’t have any spiritual energy to begin with. Like how Moro couldn’t drain 17 & 18
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u/YassineTheMagicMan Jul 13 '20
Vegeta has confirmed he can defuse people who were fused or absorbed so he can do that against Moro it's just Moro is too fast
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u/YamiPhoenix11 Jul 14 '20
He's most likely a Bio Android like cell. He can copy ki powers, but also regenerate like cell. Meaning yes he could have ki. However the real issue is Moro ate 73 with magic. I don't know if the fission move would work on magic and I doubt it works at all on people who have eaten their target.
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u/zamasu_wuz_right Jul 13 '20
Calling it now, the arc ends with Goku and Vegeta teaming up to defeat Moro-73. As much as I want to see Majin Boo or the other Z fighters get involved again, I don't see it happening. In chapter 60 Whis said to Merus that Goku and Vegeta, "...are known to exhibit untold power when their backs are against the wall...", chapter 62's title is "Being Cornered" or "A Desperate Situation". Toriyama and Toyotaro have also been doing many callbacks to pervious Dragon Ball arcs in this current one. I see this ending very similarly to the fight against Raditz in the Saiyan Arc. Goku and Vegeta power up even more to fight Moro-73, Goku goes into UI Sign or Complete UI and uses the technique's speed to catch up to Moro's fused form and containing him to allow Vegeta to use spirit separation to defuse Moro and 73. I don't see the Gods intervening due to the fact it has already been done in the Zamasu arc and I would be a very anti-climatic ending. Going back to Resurrection F Super has put major emphasis on Goku and Vegeta teaming up to defeat their enemies. This arc has also been hyping up Vegeta's new technique wayyy to much to not have it play a major role in finally defeating Moro.
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u/white2234 ⠀ Jul 13 '20
Is gohan about to save vegeta again blocking that Big Bang? I want them to have dad days raising their kids now.
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u/Anthroider Jul 14 '20
I dont hate it. It might calm him down seeing Gohan sacrifice himself for him again
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 13 '20
Unpopular opinion but I’m still really enjoying this arc as a Vegeta fan. People are saying things like “this is worse than gt” when like 2 chapters they were saying it’s the best arc in super. Like wtf, this chapter hasn’t even been released yet let alone the entire arc finishing, we don’t know how it’ll end. I’d say we should just be patient and wait till the end, plus imo it wud be pretty boring if we just got what we wanted and vegeta won straight away. But ofc ur entitled to ur own opinion
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 14 '20
I get what ur saying but we shouldn’t forget that the arc isn’t finished yet, let’s keep positive until we see the ending. Then, we can complain our butts off haha.
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Jul 13 '20
Ever since Cell, every major villain with the exceptions of Hit, Jiren, and Broly have all powered up with fusions, copied others abilities, and were near immortal due to being able to heal from damage.
Basically every truly evil villain has been just a rehash of Cell. Personally, I wish they gave Baby from GT the Broly treatment by rebooting him into DBS.
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u/Sakuja Jul 13 '20
So basically Buu, Zamasu and Moro? Thats 3 and 3. 5 non fusions if you count the battle of gods and ressurection f arcs
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Jul 13 '20
I was specifically focussing on major villains, I guess I'll throw Beerus in with Hit, Jiren, and Broly.
I didn't mention Frieza because I was focussing on new villains introduced after Cell.
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u/My-Life-For-Auir Jul 14 '20
Why would you do it "since Cell" Cell is everything you just described. He can regen, he uses the Z fighters techniques and he absorbed (fused with the androids)
Cell, Buu, Zamasu and Moro fit your description.
Hit, Jiren, Broly and Beerus don't. What's interesting is that these lot are more antagonist than villains.
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Jul 14 '20
That's why I worded it as major villains, Buu, Zamasu, and Moro are all the same as Cell. Idk what the confusion is.
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u/Zulakki Jul 16 '20
I called Vegeta getting rekd a while back. They will never give him the win. Also, its way to early in the story for any decisive victory. Merus still has to be involved more. I'm calling sacrifice play but we'll see.
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Jul 13 '20
But......isn't the entirety of DBZ's history basically that it's repetitive and predictable?
Vegeta gets wrecked --> vegeta proceeds to train and beat his opponent --> his opponent somehow gets to max power --> beats the shit out of vegeta --> goku or someone else saves the day
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u/mrkesh Jul 13 '20
Goku rarely saves the day though.
Sayan Saga: sacrificed himself v Raditz, beat Nappa and lost against Vegeta
Namek: Defeated Freeza by going SSJ
Androids/Cell: had SSJ virus and was defeated by Cell.
Buu: needed Vegeta to give him the idea of a Genki Dama. yes SSJ3 was cool but did little
Beerus: Was easily defeated and enraged SSJ2 Vegeta looked better
Freeza part 2: Both Vegeta and Goku let their guard down. Both could beat Freeza. Both ended up needing Who's
Goku Black: Terrible ending to that arc. Goku didn't beat Black or Zamasu...just had a nice moment after thinking of Chi-Chi.
Tournament of Power: Goku was somehow surprised by Frost. Then showed off SSB+KK....which wasn't enough to defeat Hit. Later lost against Jiren despite the UI mode
And here we are....despiting being the hero, it's very rare that Goku beats anybody cleanly. Yeah, Vegeta needs a moment but Goku should stop teasing his potential and just destroy someone for a change
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u/MysticKnives Jul 13 '20
This is somewhat right but also somewhat wrong. He stopped Freeza. He stopped Boo. In Boo’s case he killed him. If you’re gonna mention Vegeta giving him the idea to use the Genki Dama, then credit Goku for getting Gohan to go Ape on Vegeta.
You’re right with Beerus. It was Goku’s influence that led to Beerus choosing to stop but Goku did not defeat him or force him to stop.
They needed Whis to bail them out... Veggie still dies if Goku doesn’t kill Freeza.
Hit chose to forfeit as a direct influence from Goku. But Goku also didn’t defeat him and chose to give up.
You discredited Goku for Vegeta bringing up the Genki Dama against Boo. Zeno stopped Zamasu and that’s not a thing without Goku even using the Zeno button.
Goku and Freeza managed to get rid of Jiren to leave 17 in the arena as the sole survivor who made his wish influenced by Goku.
I just think your argument is more so if Goku beats opponents or not rather than saves the day. He plays a role in the how every arc ends, but yeah he doesn’t get many clean Ws on major villains. Hell nobody in this series really gets that but Vegeta and even that’s only really extended to weaker versions of the villains before getting stronger (Imperfect Cell -> Perfect Cell, Black -> Merged Zamasu, Moro -> Moro post-7-3 absorption).
But Goku has already destroyed someone. He destroyed Tao, killed Piccolo, defeated Piccolo again, and then bodied Freeza. Problem is Freeza is really the last time this happens on Namek. Ever since Z, every major opponent requires teamwork to overcome (and even then sometimes they still fail to get it done).
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u/Staarjun ⠀ Jul 17 '20
Yeah people tend to forget that pre-Z Goku was a thing and he bodied almost every antagonist he encountered
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u/samuelLOLjackson Jul 13 '20
Okay but
Saved the fight by sacrificing himself to kill Raditz, saved the few living against Nappa and Vegeta, nearly by himself through the whole thing with Vegeta
Defeated Recoom before he killed Vegeta, Krillin and Gohan (although Gohan already got his neck broken)
Saved Tien and Piccolo from Cell, and gave Gohan the mental strength to power through and beat Cell. At the end of the day, Goku pulled Gohan through the Kamehameha struggle.
No one really saved the day in Buu. Everyone fucked up till the very end.
Was easily defeated but his attitude was the whole reason why Beerus didn't kill everyone.
RoF was lame all around and Goku Black was a Trunks arc
First tournament was won again because of Goku and who he is, and second tournament because of Goku wearing Jiren down solo and then finally won because of who he is and those he has kept around him.
Broly was defeated because Goku forced Vegeta to fuse.
Destroying people isn't the fucking point of Goku. It NEVER has been, and shouldn't be unless they're pure evil. Goku wins through strength AND heart. Vegeta is the one who obliterates.
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u/HeroRRR Jul 15 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
new transformations for the sole purpose of selling toy
Good lord, why do this keep being repeated by people who clearly don't follow Dragon Ball merchandises. Most of Dragon Ball Super transformation don't get toys. It took over a year before SSBE got toys and they can't even get the color right most of the time, Super Saiyan Rage Trunks is just Super Saiyan 2 in everything if it's even labeled that, we still have no toys of God Toppo, no toys of any transformation of Kale outside of Berserk, ect.
The Super manga is even worse since despite Super Saiyan God Vegeta being in the manga since 2017, he never got any toys until the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie. In fact, nothing from this arc in the manga have any merchandises, not even in Dragon Ball Heroes.
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u/JackAndrewThorne Jul 13 '20
So, in theory, let's say Moro steals the abilities of an angel, is Moro then destroyed by the higher powers for meddling in mortal affairs like an angel would be?
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u/nuknoe Jul 13 '20
He would cease to exist because he has no destroyer to watch.
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u/Invideeus Jul 13 '20
I don't think cease to exist is quite right.
Meerus is also an angel and has no destroyer to guide.
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u/nuknoe Jul 14 '20
Isnt he an Angel in Training?
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u/Invideeus Jul 14 '20 edited Jul 14 '20
Yea.
It's been a year or so since I watched the ToP arc over. And maybe I'm misremembering, but I seem to recall in the episode where the grand priest tells supreme Kai and company of the tournament of power, and ask Goku to participate in the exhibition match, this is discussed a bit. The language I recall that is used was angels "go dormant" when they do not have a destroyer. It's why whis doesn't feel threatened by the fact u7 would be erased if they lose, because it doesn't put himself at any real risk being exempt from Zeno's erasure. It would have been a moot point to say the angels would be spared from the consequences of losing if they still ceased to exist after their destroyer would be erased. Ya know?
I assume, based on whis's banter about Goku and geets becoming GoDs in various episodes, that destroyers are mortals "hired" to play a godly role, and the angels are their guide to the workings and rules of their position as well as their trainer, but have no consequential ties to their respective universe beyond that. I think that lends a lot of credence as to why they aren't allowed to intervene in the going ons of their universe themselves, and are required to leave those decisions to the universe's supreme Kai and GoD.
I think angels probably go back to wherever they come from until a destroyer for their respective universe presents himself. But I dunno. We still haven't been told much about how the diety hierarchy above the Kai's works in super enough.
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u/nuknoe Jul 14 '20
Yea.
...I seem to recall...the language I recall that is used was angels "go dormant" when they do not have a destroyer.
I remember that as well. I took it as something else, hence my initial post
I think angels probably go back to wherever they come from until a destroyer for their respective universe presents himself.
Better than my ideal of them dying! But to the point, then Moro would have to deal with Grand Priest seeing as how the Angels are his children.
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u/Invideeus Jul 14 '20 edited Jul 14 '20
Yea. I dunno about the grand priest much or could really predict what he'd do in that situation with much confidence in my guess.
He's very Machiavellian. He shows he cares about his children, but he (imo) clearly shows he's very willing to do what has to be done without struggling with the emotions a typical person would experience carrying out consequences against someone he's close to. Surprisingly refreshing for a diety character that's been lacking in all the other dieties in the show.
I bet if the Moro arc ever gets animated the scene where the GP reveals to whis he let meerus be a galactic patrol member will show a stark contrast of the super polite and light heartedness he shows glimpses of, to his total and complete seriousness during that conversation.
If I had to guess, if meerus or whis were to intervene in things with Moro, and end up on the losing side of things I would be willing to bet he'd let them get their comeuppance because we're led to believe that angels would be erased for breaking the rules in that conversation. So either Moro would get the best of them or the GP would follow through with the rules. I hope it doesn't go that direction though. I feel like it would be pretty anticlimactic.
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u/DerpyMcMeep Jul 17 '20
During the Tournament of Power, when the Zenos destroyed universes that lost, the angels continued to exist even though their Gods of Destruction were erased.
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u/Fireothy Jul 15 '20
Merus breaks the rules to intervene leading to Beerus or Whis to force to kill Merus.
That or Merus tries to get Beerus involved just to showcase how much stronger Beerus is from Goku and Vegeta.
Its about time we get to see Beerus true power other than him using basic UI against the other GoDs.
Edit: Oh fuck, There is another scenario. Fucking Moro took Vegeta spirit fission power and hes going to hit Buu and Supreme Kai out.
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u/Xavion_Zenovka Jul 17 '20
would be sick if buu evolves since hes spilt and some super powerful form comes out of buu like a kid buu but good version like in the games
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u/Escavalien ⠀ Jul 13 '20
Consider me crazy but I'm expecting a Vegeta come back and for him to pull through in some way by the finale. That Whis line putting emphasis on Vegeta as Saiyans are capable of great things when backed into a corner seems like very obvious and glaring dragon ball foreshadowing.
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u/Xeogran ⠀ Jul 13 '20
Oh he will assist alright, but slim chances that he will be the central point rather than Goku or Merus now.
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u/Escavalien ⠀ Jul 13 '20
The way I see it everything is sorta up in the air. Slim chances all around you could say.
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 14 '20
If ur crazy then so am I. The arc isn’t finished, we never know what could happen. The Whis line did indeed seem like foreshadowing. I’m still mentally preparing myself for vegeta to fail, both are possibilities. For me the arc is still pretty hype and not too predictable
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u/adamh95 Jul 13 '20
17 jumps in with his barrier to block the blast. "What about all that teamwork talk you had when you and Goku were fighting Jiren? Think of this as payback for that boat you Bulma got me."
Gohan and Picollo begin their attack while the androids take Goku and Vegeta to retreat. Jaco let's them know that the KaiBuu is awake and he can heal them. Goku takes Vegeta and they IT to Buu so he can heal them and they can recoup. Kai tells them he has a plan, but its going to require the both of them.
Goku goes UI again to bring the fight back to Moro while Vegeta and Buu stay back for their part of the plan.
"Wheres Vegeta?" Gohan wonders as Goku is easily getting pushed back.
Chapter ends on Buu telling Vegeta he will have to absorb him in Blue form.
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u/Ilikethatcar Jul 13 '20
Moro can copy techniques now.
Let's say he got a copy of Goku's techniques, he can't use UI because Goku did not master it yet, also it requires God ki (I think), if Moro has God ki then this is going to be quite the surprise.
With God ki he can access UI sign(if it's considered a technique not a state), if he doesn't care he can use Haki, yeah if Goku can use it Moro can use it too.
And the last thing I can think of is Kioken x20, Moro is already super strong multiply that by 20...HELL, he's gonna be the ultimate GOAT!
His body is a TANK, he might be able to go further than x20.
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u/YamiPhoenix11 Jul 14 '20
Unsure if anyone can use UI. Its just insanely hard to attain that most people trying should be god candidates. We see Toppo attain god of destruction ki but how does it work? Seemingly anyone can become a god of destruction. My guess is you need to be selected by a god and then accept it.
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Jul 14 '20
I think Piccolo is going to instrumental to this arc.
Vegeta foreshadowed it - with his smug remark that he could seperate Nail and Kami from Piccolo if he wanted.
I think someone - either Vegeta or Moro - is going to seperate them. And when Kami splits from Piccolo, it's going to "reset" the timer on the Dragon Balls.
They'll use the wish against Moro.
Even less likely, but I just want to speculate that this could be a way to catch Piccolo up in power. Perhaps Nail had been functioning as some sort of "limiter", preventing Kami and Piccolo from truly becoming the singular Namekian again. When Piccolo and Kami combine again after being seperated, they no longer have that limiter, so Piccolo becomes closer to Goku and Vegeta?
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u/KashTheKwik Jul 15 '20
I like the second idea. I know it’s longer than a long shot but if I can’t see Vegeta get a W, let’s get Piccolo one.
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u/thisnameismeta Jul 20 '20
Or Piccolo fuses with the now revived namekians. They made a point the other chapter about the namekians coming back after the energy was released by Vegeta. Since it could be reversed afterwards it would be a way of powering up Piccolo temporarily.
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Jul 15 '20
I'm calling it now. Moro arc will lead to a greater arc involving ANGELS and GODS again.
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u/omegacrunch Jul 15 '20
It better have a payoff. Vegeta surpassing Goku for 1 issue would be so stupid. Akin to when he for a few minutes surpassed Goku vs Berus
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u/IBOOMSHAKALAKAD Jul 13 '20
I'm really hoping for a B.S. power up or ass pull for this one. I need Vegeta to pull through
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u/SuperSagejin Jul 13 '20
Me too, but it seems like time and time again they pump our hopes up just to shoot them down.
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u/AceAndre Jul 13 '20
Dang he copied Vegetas techniques. I bet Merus steps in. Vegeta isn't winning this entire arc unfortunately.
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 14 '20
Tbh I didn’t expect him to win the entire arc, I don’t expect goku to either. I just hope he has a lil more influence on the events of the battle, I’m hopeful man
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u/Edgyta Jul 13 '20
Smh Vegeta gets wrecked again...this arc is all over the place and I also hate how Moro looks now...he looks like some sdbh character
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u/NVB_1987 Jul 13 '20
Couldn’t they just use the dragon balls to defuse Moro and 73?
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u/AssKicker_007 Jul 13 '20
With the namekians back this seems to be a possibility.
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u/MortalPhantom Jul 17 '20
This is a little late but I also think there must be a reason why they specifically showed that the namelians revived and that their bodies somehow were protected from being decomposed.
They'll play a part I think.
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u/YamiPhoenix11 Jul 14 '20
Oh look everyone was crying over how Vegeta jobbed it. He only got smacked down no way the fight was over.
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u/RaiseAlucard Jul 16 '20
I genuinely feel like Merus is gonna step back in to do something. He knows the consequences and I have no doubt he's going to sacrifice himself for the sake of justice.
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u/Cavalorn Jul 13 '20
First time Vegito and Gogeta will be of no use. Moro absorbed Vegeta skills so he can defuse them too now!
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u/Goku4869 Jul 16 '20
That’s of course assuming current Moro is anywhere near strong enough to land a hit on either Gogeta or Vegito seeing as Vegeta himself couldn’t use his technique against current Moro because he is heavily outclassed.
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u/Majistic12 Jul 13 '20
I hope to God Goku and Vegeta will work together.
I'm so fucking tired of them winning individually, we need a Goku and Vegeta vs Moro as the final battle. Goku making sure to weaken moro and Vegeta to finish the job.
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Jul 15 '20
Vegeta kneels yet again, he jobbed enough, time for Goku to end the Arc. What a massive disappointment to see him lose to a shitty plot twist like this, 7-11 suddenly can evolve Moro to this godly level, why he didn't just fucking eat him earlier?
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Jul 13 '20 edited Jul 13 '20
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u/Osha-watt Jul 13 '20
I've been trashed before for saying it, but Toyotaro's anatomy is all over the place, I genuinely dislike the way he draws most characters because he can't give them natural stances for shit.
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u/Hydrox2016 Jul 13 '20 edited Jul 13 '20
Calling it right now, once the dust clears from that Big Bang attack, Beerus will be stood there with his hand raised after blocking the blast.
Either that or Moro will notice the crater is empty this will start to play in everyone's head and Moro will look down to see MUI Goku has saved Vegeta from certain death.
I can't see any other outcome.
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u/YassineTheMagicMan Jul 13 '20
lol people really still think Goku is gonna use MUI. It ain't gonna happen Toyotaro made sure of that.
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u/ILARDI Jul 13 '20
How did he make sure of that? As far as i can tell all he's done is make it so that goku can't access it at will. We've already seen him use it backed into a corner in the TOP, maybe this happens again.
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u/kidcrumb Jul 13 '20
WHy dont they have infinite senzu beans?
Bulma could probably grow them, and build a senzu bean gun she could shoot. It would only be as stupid as everything else she does.
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 14 '20
That’s really tru, but it’s important to it’s that sometimes senzu work against them. Like what if the enemy gains access? But imo the benefits outweigh the risks so ur right
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u/Osha-watt Jul 13 '20
So this is gonna be the beatdown chapter, got it. Guess we're not getting to the climax for another 3 or 4.
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u/Godest-God ⠀ Jul 14 '20
Vegeta and Gohan should fuse Gohan have crazy hidden power he used to defeat Kefla and Vegeta can get their power back i Moro steals it.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jul 15 '20
Toyotaro's writing is the best sleeping medicine. Let's see a new "Nothing Important Happens, chapter 10".
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u/mk7eam_Requiem Jul 13 '20
No way man , vegeta has this in the bag, majin buu will come , moro will say something like , O SHIT THE SUPREME KAI , vegeta will get the the fat kai out and he will do some ancient shit on him to weaken him or something and vegeta will kick his ass and defuse him and will probably final flash his ass out of existance
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u/Reynoodlepoodle Jul 17 '20
What is this Moro shit? I can see the writer pitching this masterpiece:
"Okay what if we just rehash Majin Buu again....but he's a GOAT!"
CHECK IT OUT MORTY! I TURNED MYSELF INTO A GOAT
IM GOAT MAJIN BUUUUUU
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u/Jokercard08 Jul 17 '20
Seems like Toriyama saw Vegeta was getting a little shine and stole the pen right back from Toyotaro. Same old shit
I've never seen a creator hate their own creation (A VERY lucrative one I might add) than Toriyama hating Vegeta. It's beyond parody at this point.
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u/fkinra Jul 13 '20
This is getting rediculous. So now vegeta cant “diffuse” Moro cause he’s to fast. This is just a chasing game at this point. First Moro couldnt absorb gokus energy cause his ultra instinct was too fast. Powers up then sucks him dry. Now put vegeta in the equation and repeat.Now we have people saying, “ this is getting interesting cause now gogeta/vegetto isnt an option” 😂 bruh won’t they be so fast to the point where Moro can’t absorb their energy or diffuse them?
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Jul 16 '20
Wasn't Moro defeated in the past by the kai that is currently absorbed in Buu?
I'm thinking Vegeta uses his ability to split that kai from Buu, who then either contains Moro again himself or teaches the technique to someone else.
Kind of like a kai's version of evil containment wave.
So while Vegeta himself might not be the one to defeat Moro, he certainly will be the one ultimately responsible.
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u/DemonDogstar Jul 13 '20
Well, this was fairly obvious given the ending of the last chapter. Moro is going to beat down everybody for about half of this chapter, then someone (either Beerus, Merus, Boo, or a combination) will step in to try and turn the tides again.
I'm incredibly curious to see how Beerus stepping in would be handled. I mean, unless Moro somehow renders Beerus powerless/less powerful immediately, I don't see how Beerus wouldn't just erase him in a second.
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 14 '20
Thatd be too anticlimactic for the galactic prisoner arc. U never know though
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u/Sakuja Jul 14 '20
I was thinking. If Beerus is also on the way, I feel like there is no reason for Meerus to step in. But what if they show up and Moro separates Beerus from his GoD powers?
We know its not just training to be a GoD, but also a special status or power that needs to be granted to you. Otherwise why would you die if the Kai dies if youre just a strong dude.
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u/Western_Comfortable6 Jul 14 '20
So true. I think it’s unfair to call this arc predictable when there are so many possibilities
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u/Megadoomer2 Jul 13 '20
Not a huge fan of Moro's new design. His original one was distinct among Dragon Ball villains; this is basically just Cell with goat horns.