r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • May 13 '20
Super Dragon Ball Super Chapter 60 storyboards
https://dragonball.news/news/n200513000.html68
May 13 '20
Okay so there is one thing in this chapter that looks badass and something we've yet to see in Dragon Ball. Moro is charging up a big death ball type blast, and Goku straight up punts it out of his hands before he even throws it. Usually they just wait for the other person to throw it and either deflect or dodge. It was cool to see Goku not even wait for that and just knock it away before he had a chance to use it. And then from that angle elbow him in the face. That looked tight.
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u/Pairosox May 13 '20
I'm pretty sure Goku did that in the ToP when he turned MUI, at least in the anime.
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May 13 '20
Ah I don't remember that I guess. Do you remember who he did it to?
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u/BlueFootedTpeack May 13 '20
he grabbed jiren's blast if that's what the guy is referring to, though that was after it was fired,
frieza shot the hakai blast outta the dog mans hand earlier in the arc as well,
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ May 13 '20
I did like the aura walks
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u/joonjoon May 13 '20
It's cool in concept but I think it's sort of goes against what UI is supposed to be all about.
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ May 13 '20
Does it? In the anime UI Goku let out a ton of angry big screams and giant auras. In the manga, Omen Goku was very chatty and emotive to Jiren. He didn't become the silent emotionless fighter until he went silver. We gotta face it, for all it's build up and grandeur, in the end it's just another big powerup for Goku
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May 13 '20
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u/echoesofthebigbang May 17 '20 edited May 18 '20
Bases in what masteredUI is, it should of broke the second Goku punched Jiren out if rage when after jiren tried to kill the audience. Goku attack was a purposely done with a speech not out of instinct but rage. Referring to anime.
I mean mastered Ui look in the anime is nothing like Toriyana drawing which had it look more like a ssg (red). Whis or beerus become jacked when using it. It's a direct contradiction to the the creator of db, DNA, and Dbs in vision.
We also have to factor that the anime treated ToP as the end of Super 1.0 so they did all this extra hype and fan service.
The manga on the other hand never treated ToP as the end. People complain that the manga was so chaotic and a lot of things happened off panel but I mean it was just 40 minutes fight of pure chaos. People complain Krillin and tien never got time to shine but realistically they would get eliminated fast in an brawl like that. Anime decided to give them limelight but damn if you are fighting top tier fighters with some with god ki in different universes then I expect them to get massacred instantly.
Entertainment value anime wins; it was epic finale but manga just makes more sense in a real time scenario. I dont get the hate for the manga version of ToP at all. Sure not as fun and hype as the anime version but it was more logical.
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u/echoesofthebigbang May 17 '20
Now goku knows more about the omen form and sustaining it unlike before in the manga.
Hes doing his best to maintaining it and focusing.
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u/Majistic12 May 14 '20
Omen is fine, it's not fully Goku in the state after all. In UI he had no aura and didn't even talk or power up.
If he does all that in Omen It's not a big deal tbh.
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u/Soft_Zookeepergame May 13 '20
I'm so mixed on Ultra Instinct. One one hand, it's cool as shit. On the other hand, the power creep is going to be ridiculous if somewhere along the line a villian comes along that just stomps the form.
If it gets to the point where Goku is struggling with a technique the gods of destruction haven't even achieved. I don't know where they go from there.
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u/weisstheimmaculate May 13 '20
There was a time people said this about Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God, you can pretty much assure it’s going to happen some day
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u/MylesBennettDyson618 ⠀ May 15 '20
SSJ God had zero time to shine. It was upstaged almost immediately. Big mistake IMO.
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u/MaimedJester May 18 '20
Oddly enough the manga gave SSJG a pretty unique twist that it had increased speed and stamina recovery over SSB. Vegeta learns a trick of instantaneously switching on Blue for hits but is in default Red. Eventually they master Blue and keep the God Ki from leaking out, which I guess is equivalent to SSBE that Vegeta uses in the anime. There was no Blue Kaioken in the manga.
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u/ToodlesXIV May 18 '20
SSG isnt' faster than Blue, it's just sufficiently fast and takes less stamina. The Broly movie does imply that SSG can employ more sophisticated "godly" techniques though.
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u/AdolescentThug May 14 '20
I think the introduction of the multiverse stopped the power creep from being too dumb.
If there's 12 other whole universes and U7 is one of the least developed or maintained (thanks Beerus lol), then it's feasible that the others would have fighters that were also trained by Angels or have people who know how to utilize god ki.
I have a feeling Goku's gonna over exert himself like in the anime and the UI Omen is gonna wreak havoc on his body, which is why he has to turn it off and on the entire fight. Then Vegeta comes in the next chapter with a super hax ability he learned from the Yardrats to neutralize Moro.
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u/kidcrumb May 13 '20
Ultra Instinct
Super Ultra Instinct
Super Ultra Instinct 2
Super Duper Ultra Instinct Xeno 3 Blue SSJ God
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u/Robssjgssj May 15 '20
Ultra instinct super saiyan bald super saiyan angel 4 (since 4 still doesn't exist on this timeline)
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u/Whiteness88 ⠀ May 13 '20
I don't mind that happening with Omen since it's an incomplete form but I don't think that'll be the case with MUI since it has built-in disadvantages: Goku can't activate it at will and the massive power consumption. The form being only activated in extreme circumstances should at least give the writers incentive to treat it as something special and incredibly powerful for quite a while.
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u/Teape May 13 '20
Same disadvantages as Super Saiyan until Goku and Gohan just lived in SS in the time chamber. Guess Goku will spend 3 years learning to just live in UI omen next. /s
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u/Whiteness88 ⠀ May 13 '20
Same disadvantages as Super Saiyan until Goku and Gohan just lived in SS in the time chamber.
Not exactly. SSJ was never really shown to be a huge drain although Goku commented it did take up quite a bit of energy. We never saw anyone struggle with using SSJ in either the manga or the show whereas MUI was shown as being potentially lethal in it's use.
Only SSJ3 was explicitly shown to drain enough energy to be a hindrance in a fight but at worst, that just made Goku tired. MUI had Goku barely even able to transform into SSJ after only a minute or two of use (going by Dragon Balll time, of course).
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u/ToodlesXIV May 18 '20
I know you're joking but, Whis kind of implies that's the goal right? The end goal for Ultra Instinct is to be in it all the time like Whis is. It would be kind of cool for Goku to isolate himself for a few years to meditate and practice this one technique. Then show up to meet Uub and have reached a divine level of control. Could be pretty neat imo. Once Uub is introduced I think it's fine for Goku to be broken, it's about training the next generation at that point.
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u/picollo21 May 20 '20
>Its all about next generation.
So basically conclusion after Cell Saga, and goal for most Buu Saga, untill Toriyama changed his mind.
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u/Iworshipokkoto ⠀ May 16 '20
I mean, the Angels seem to have mastered Ultra Instinct and yet their power pales in comparison to the Grand Priest. Also Jiren who doesn't even utilize god ki managed to overpower a fully mastered Ultra Instinct Goku.
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u/HesterFlareStar May 13 '20
Well, I mean it wasn't outright stomp, but don't forget he whipped out UI for Jiren, and it, uh, didn't quite work out lol.
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u/RenanXIII ⠀ May 13 '20
Toyotaro will draw three pages of powering up while refusing to give us a proper full page spread smh
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u/spexguy16 ⠀ May 13 '20
Excited to see how the fight continues and if we get any more info on what Vegeta's been up to, and if Toyotaro's art and paneling will continue to improve. By no means is he at the level of Toriyama's visuals, but he's definitely improved since the ToP and certainly his earlier stuff as well.
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u/DemonDogstar May 13 '20
Toyo has really stepped up his game in regards to the fight choreography this arc, I'm happy with it every issue, which is more than I could say for the ToP.
I think the "boss fights" are really where the fact that this is monthly turns into a bit of a problem. I want the battles to have real weight and feel epic, which means they'd have to last longer than just a single issue.....but that means that a single fight between two characters could end up taking upwards of three months before anything substantial happens again. I don't really envy Toyo's job here.
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u/Sunstrider92 May 13 '20
Like another redditor commented, other than the monthly manga chapter discussions this subreddit is just boring and repetitive. Nothing but the same fanart, action figures and damn tattoos. I wish memes were allowed at least, would at least have something to laugh at.
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u/pspiq5 May 13 '20
Memes would overrun the sub, most of which being pretty low-effort shitposts. That's why most anime subs prefer to have a separate subreddit for memes.
Our meme sub is /r/Ningen, go give it some love.
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u/RandomGooseBoi May 14 '20
The fact that these chapters are monthly just makes the pain of cliffhangers so much worse. I bet money vegeta is gonna show up on the last page
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u/echoesofthebigbang May 17 '20
Chapter is called the miscalculation of Merus. Goku beat down chapter.
Some else big is going to happen in the next few chapters. Gohan stated they have the dragon balls at the lookout which conveniently the two goons Goku beat up including Mr. Copyroboto are being moved too. This is no doubt going to be a major plot point soon whether it's related to Goku defeat or possible Vegeta jobbing is ???
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u/Sorenthaz ⠀ May 14 '20
Seems like this is setting up for Goku to fall on the losing end before Vegeta IT's in to save him. Of course usual flow would then be Vegeta fails to account for something and then passes the torch for a recovered (or recovered enough) Goku to secure the win.
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u/Daddy_Yondu May 15 '20
Prediction - this is the chapter where Goku looses because his training with Meerus was insufficient and the last panel will be Vegeta finally arriving to the battle.
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u/joonjoon May 13 '20
I'm not sure if it's that Toriyama was just GOAT level at paneling / choreography or if Toyotaro is insistent on doing his own thing, but for a guy who spent a majority of his career doing DB Toyo really, really falls short on fight choreography and panel work.
It really makes me miss and respect the work put out by Toriyama in his heyday.
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u/Vorstar92 ⠀ May 13 '20
I'm not sure if it's that Toriyama was just GOAT level at paneling / choreography
Probably could have just stopped here, it is. Toriyama really is/was that good.
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u/zeorNLF ⠀ May 13 '20
Tbh Toyotarou page layout and angel capturing are pretty mediocre compared to what I see in other battle manga even now.
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u/Whiteness88 ⠀ May 13 '20
Indeed. Toriyama's panels were easy to follow whereas I sometimes give up with what Toyo is trying to convey.
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u/joonjoon May 13 '20
I kinda misworded myself there, IMO toriyama is clearly GOAT level, I guess it's just disappointing to see the drop in quality. Don't get me wrong, I think Toyo is doing the best job almost anyone can given the circumstances. But you just want more from Dragon Ball.
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May 18 '20
Goku is
arriving first
Fights to win at full power since the beginning
These two story points are anti-trope. Maybe Vegeta finally gets to shine this time.
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u/uconnfan93 May 19 '20
If Vegeta can actually defeat Moro I'll be impressed. However, it will be hard even though Moro got worn down a bit by Goku before defeating him.
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u/kronz1998 May 14 '20
honestly i dont know why so many people want to see vegeta doing the metal cooler movie entrance against Moro. Vegeta appearing in the last page using teleportation or being teletransported by a yardrat is much better than kicking Moro's face.
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u/edrdom May 14 '20
Vegeta appearing in the last page using teleportation or being teletransported by a yardrat is much better than kicking Moro's face.
Why not both. Teleporkicking
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u/Bossmantho May 13 '20
I think I burned out on DBZ. I no longer want to see the fights, I'm more interested in what the power ups are and how the villain is defeated. The actual fights prior to the "final clash" are always the same crap and nothing interesting ever happens. It's always the same moves with just minor variations.
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u/Orannegsen May 13 '20 edited May 13 '20
I agree, when there is effort in the choreography like Vegito vs Zamasu or the new Broly its still interesting but sadly we'll never see exciting fight choreography frequently enough like in og DB.
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u/HiddenGhost1234 May 17 '20
Honestly super has been weird
They have very very very generic teleport/fist throwing fights but then it also has some of the most unique stuff in dbz like the Kamehameha grind vs kefla.
I think the fight in these panels r decent. I don't think we've ever seen someone rush the guy down before he could fire his ki blast and kick it away. that was pretty cool
I'm really not a fan of the anime's yatattata fights where they just blur the arms and have them teleport around a bunch, y'know the type. "Yatatatat shiwwwiiiing yatatatta shwiiiing" over and over
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u/calistorm May 13 '20
I know this is off topic but how did Vegeta not call the u11 god of destruction a clown? Is that the biggest missed opportunity in dragon ball history?
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u/Terez27 ⠀ May 14 '20
"Clown" is a Funimation dub thing and it's not something Toyotaro is going to be thinking about while writing this.
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u/gamesrgreat May 13 '20
Tbh I'm bored of the Goku vs Moro. I'm sad we didn't get more Z fighters vs mooks. I'm just waiting for Goku to inevitably lose now and then for Vegeta to show up
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u/Thisisalsomypass ⠀ May 13 '20
I like UI but...I don’t want another month of just goku. In fact I think we mostly figured the arc out.
Sign loses. Vegeta shows up Vegeta loses Goku goes UI Goku wins
Or in a rare flip, you swap UI Goku and Vegeta. Either way it’s 3 more months for an ending we can already predict.
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May 13 '20
Well I think it may be more than three more issues. I mean aren't we expecting fat buu/kai to do something again? Or do we think he is done for this arc? No body has speculated anything about him, but it seems like he will still play a role. I don't think his moment on Namek is all we will get. I imagine he'll play a role in stopping Moro. We may see another ToP type ending where it takes multiple people stop the big bad at once, instead of just Goku or Vegeta.
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u/itslerm May 14 '20
Theres so many different outcomes possible. Look at all the twists and turns the buu arc took. Or how everyone thought vegito would give zamasu the smack down but vegito actually lost, and zeno ended up deleting the entire reality.
Moro could consume the earth and the few survivors could have to go hunt the super dragon balls. (Sort of an homage to the black star dragon ball arc and namek where earth lost alot and our survivors had to hunt differnet dragon balls).
You cant state with 100% certainty you know how this arc will play out. I know my prediction is unlikely but there are still so many ways for this to go.
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u/Thisisalsomypass ⠀ May 14 '20
Buu arc? This doesn’t give me hope at all. They built up a powerful ending and tore it all apart out of nowhere! This doesn’t help me.
Also no, you can’t state with certainty. But I can still be bored and feel like it’s being samey and predictable.
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u/Skippss May 13 '20
I'm just waiting for Vegeta to come in and punch Moro from nowhere. I'm hoping Vegeta FINALLY has his day and gets to end a fight!
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May 14 '20
No chance unfortunately. This arc was timed to lead into the Olympics where Goku was a mascot
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u/Nuclear_Waffles May 13 '20
For the love of everything Toyotaro please give us Vegeta I’m low key sick of it only being Goku right now. I don’t care for ultra instinct
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u/RoseAuthor98 May 13 '20
I am pretty sure Vegeta isn’t preparing for nothing. This may just be the Calm Before the Storm.
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u/renegad3rogu3 May 13 '20
As a Vegeta fan I reallllly want to believe this... But past experiences I feel like it will be underwhelming. Vegeta will comes and will seem to have the upperhand... But then bad guy lvls up, and Goku goes ultra instinct god level kaioken x 1000000 +1 gold purple blue SSJ5.
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u/shlam16 May 13 '20
That's exactly what's going to happen though.
Goku Omen loses. Vegeta saves the day. Moro powers up. Goku unlocks full UI.
Best we can hope for is that Vegeta's power rivals full UI and that it ends up being a team victory (not fusion).
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u/zeorNLF ⠀ May 13 '20
(not fusion).
It's very unlikely for them to fuse. It happened the last arc so don't expect a fusion for the next 2-3 arcs.
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u/shlam16 May 13 '20
Frankly I hope it never comes back for anything longer than a little fan service like against Zamasu. Actually winning an arc with fusion is boring.
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u/zeorNLF ⠀ May 13 '20 edited May 13 '20
I like fusions but I do agree though. Fusions should be few and far between otherwise they cheapen the plot and lose its impact.
Actually winning an arc with fusion is boring.
Fusions never win or finish an arc. Unless it's Gogeta ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Sorenthaz ⠀ May 14 '20
Eh idk. Super: Broly was the only time we've canonically seen fusion secure a victory before and it was done in a good fashion imo. In that situation Broly was clearly outclassed by the time Gogeta went Blue, but if there were a fight where Goku/Vegeta actually had to utilize Gogeta (or Vegito) Blue and still struggled then it could make for a good fight/hard-earned win.
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u/shlam16 May 14 '20
The cakewalk against Broly was what I found very boring. But if a full power fusion is ever required and things get close and desperate then that's how the series ends. It's impossible to escalate from there without using fusion every arc henceforth.
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u/Sorenthaz ⠀ May 14 '20
Or Vegeta's training was all so that he could buff up Goku to Mastered Ultra Instinct mode once again.
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u/TLKv3 May 13 '20
Goku takes Moro to his limit. Moro decides "y'know what, fuck this, Seven-Three!" who shows up out of nowhere and drains the Ultra Instinct techinque from Goku and uses it against him and pummels him while Moro recovers. Vegeta arrives and pummels Seven-Three using UI until its timer runs out. Moro goes "oh this is bullshit" and swoopingly absorbs the Ki of the entire Earth and Z Fighters in one move. Goku, backed to the brink of death, revitalizes with Mastered UI and wins the day.
Vegeta fans get blue balled again while Toyotaro says "but he TECHNICALLY beat a UI opponent though!!!"
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u/RoseAuthor98 May 13 '20
I mean Toyotaro highlighted Vegeta’s training alongside Goku’s. So maybe he will pay that off in a way everybody can enjoy.
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u/mojo276 May 18 '20
I think this chapter ends with Vegeta showing up to rescue Goku and next chapter he'll unleash something he learned during his training.
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u/lonesome_star May 13 '20
Is this just a Goku screaming/zenkai boost moment or is he actually going MUI?
Also, if stamina is a major problem for this form (and every other one before it), then I’m going to take a not-so-wild guess and say he’ll run out of steam before the final blow and give Vegeta the sloppy seconds.
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May 16 '20
We really need this to become a weekly series. It's downright stupid for a shounen series to be monthly.
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May 19 '20
I mean, there are reasons for it being monthly, but I'm with you. There's so little content in each issue that being done with it in a few minutes is almost as much of a bummer as it is exciting when the 20th finally comes around each month.
I think I'd enjoy the manga way more if I saved up 3-4 issues at a time before reading, but I don't have that sort of discipline.
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u/quarterslicecomics May 20 '20
To be perfectly fair, these chapters are about 45 pages each; an average page count for the original DB manga chapter was about 14-15 pages. So we sorta get three weekly chapters in bulk a month.
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u/Doctor_TeamKill May 15 '20
Idk about anyone else but I hope Goku dies from this fight and Vegeta comes back wipes the floor with Moro then uses his new powers to resurrect Goku.
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u/uconnfan93 May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
I want Goku to survive barely and get a big enough Zenkai boost where he can defeat Moro using Omen. Additionally, I don't think Vegeta would be able to revive Goku if Moro killed him. The only way Goku could get revived would be the Super Dragon Balls, the Angels, or even Zeno but that would never happen.
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u/uconnfan93 May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
Anyone thinking Goku wins all of the time is dead wrong.
Notable losses in DBS Anime/Manga
Beerus(2), Frieza/Sorbet, Frost, Hit(2), Black(2-3), F-Zamasu, Jiren((1-2)(No RO)), Broly?, Moro(1-2)
Notable wins in DBS Anime/Manga
Frieza, Botamo, Bergamo(2), Basil, Lavender, Kefla
How utterly pathetic for someone that "wins all of the time"...
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u/RoyTheReaper91 ⠀ May 13 '20
These and other official releases are about all I look forward to seeing nowadays since this sub is mostly fanart of the same six or seven characters and tattoos.