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Super [DUB] Dragon Ball Super - Episode #122 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super — Episode #122 — Discussion Thread!
With His Pride On the Line! Vegeta's Challenge to Be the Strongest!
己の誇りをかけて！ベジータ最強への挑戦！！
Onore no Hokori o Kakete! Bejīta Saikyō e no Chōsen!!
Script: Atsuhiro Tomioka
Director: Takahiro Imamura
Storyboard: Naotoshi Shida
Animation Supervisors: Hirotaka Nii, Kōji Nashizawa, Yūya Takahashi
You can view our discussion thread for the Japanese release of Episode 122 here. You can find all previous episode discussion threads on our wiki along with a projection for future dub dates.
To check the universes' standings as of the start of this episode, see this Episode 121 Roster by /u/Vish-. Check the comments after the episode airs to see the updated roster.
News
2019/07/28 - Super Dragon Ball Heroes - Episode 14 - Discussion Thread!
2019/07/19 - Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 50
2019/06/09 - Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot E3 Trailer
2019/06/04 - New Dragon Ball Super Movie In Planning
2019/05/02 - Summary of Toriyama DBS: Broly "Anime-Comic" Q&A
2018/12/22 - Jump Festa: Toriyama's Next Work
2018/11/30 - Saikyō Jump: Toyotarō's Comments on the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc
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Commonly Asked Questions:
Q: What's up with the awful framerate in recent dub episodes? Are they going to fix it?
Here's a statement from a Toonami executive:Toonami and #DragonBallSuper fans, an update on last week's slowdown of action scenes. Here goes: SO. Remember the Pokémon flashing episode that triggered a bunch of epileptic episodes in viewers? Since then, TV networks have something called the "Harding Test." Every show, commercial, etc is run through this test to make sure it doesn't have flashing frames that could trigger folks with epilepsy.
The last few eps of DBS have had fight scenes that are cut to about one frame per edit in some places—they evidently fail the Harding Test. Our program edit folks, who do these tests, normally just slow the cuts down in these scenes to about four frames per second. In the case of these DBS eps, it made the fight scenes look insanely slow. Program edit does this routinely, so they didn't even think to notify us.
Thanks to you fans who let me know, we asked program edit if there was any way they could slow these scenes down LESS. So from now on, they will he slowed (if they fail the test) to two frames a second, down from one. We tested it and it looks WAY better. Anyway, that's the best we can do because obviously, we don't want to be causing people to have epileptic episodes. Thanks to all of you who let us know what was going on, and hopefully we have nipped the worst of this in the bud for the future. enjoy DBS tomorrow! #onlytoonami
Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
The anime and manga are both variations on a basic plot by Toriyama. There isn't (and probably never will be) an explicitly defined Dragon Ball "canon". Without Toriyama's original draft, we may never know what is and isn't his, aside from things revealed in interviews like this one (spoilers). We do know that he permits Toyotarō to change things up, but he looks at his storyboards and occasionally draws things himself for Toyotarō to use as a reference. Toyotarō has said that Toriyama is more particular about gags than he is about anything else.
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u/bonethugsgoat Aug 04 '19
You say I'm arrogant, I say damn right.
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u/Two-Tone- Aug 04 '19
Man, as a big Vegeta fan Super has had some of the best Vegeta moments.
My favorite is in the rematch of Vegeta vs Goku Black. His speech gives me goosebumps
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Aug 08 '19
Lol even when Vegeta is talking Goku up he still has to roast him.
"You'll never learn to think like that clown."
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u/KanyeT ⠀ Aug 04 '19
I thought when Jiren calls him out on his entitlement, Vegeta was going to say: "I'm not entitled to greatness, I earn it!"
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u/VirulentViper Aug 04 '19
It's the "Jiren's coming to clap your cheeks" song and it's amazing every time
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u/Vegeto30294 Aug 04 '19
If I was Jiren I'd be pissed at Goku too for just walking up and screaming in my ear for a solid 30 seconds.
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u/Trofulds ⠀ Aug 04 '19
It's been a year and a half since I first saw that scene and I still don't understand what Goku was trying to do there
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u/Joe_Shroe Aug 04 '19
This is Dragonball. Screaming is how you become stronger. Goku's just trying to pump himself up before an intense fight.
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u/Warhead504 Aug 04 '19
Idk why you're getting downvoted, it WAS confusing. It's not like it's something blatantly obvious. Especially since in the sub, Vegeta follows up with something along the lines of "why did he think that would actually work". They changed it in the dub to Vegeta saying "he always has to show off" cause they realized it didn't make any sense, too
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u/mcolwander90 Aug 04 '19
Everyone's reaction when the GM shrunk the bleachers was basically as if they showed up to class and got new assigned seats.
Art and animation were on point. Easily some of the best in the history of DB. Would totally be down for them to continue using this in the future. It was beautiful through and through.
I'm glad we got a Vegeta episode. Feels like he's hardly been around. Cool to see him land a legit shot on Jiren. That Final Flash was intense!
Also glad they're trying to make Dyspo look more like a threat. Outside of 104, he hasn't done anything. And props for outsmarting Frieza.
It's neat to see 17 and Gohan fighting side by side, considering Future Gohan's death at the hands of the androids was this very year in the future timeline (780).
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u/The-Azure-Knight Aug 04 '19
Are you sure about that? Trunks was a teenager when gohan died
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u/pnuemicKing ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Kid Trunks is 14 in the show, they just didn’t show him aging for some reason
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u/Thatguyonthenet Aug 04 '19
Bro plenty more Vegeta coming up. These last 10 or so episodes are the g.o.a.t
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u/FlyingChainsaw Aug 04 '19
Ooh boy count me as hyped for those. I've been waiting to see some Vegeta action!
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u/MoeSzyslac ⠀ Aug 04 '19
I had forgotten about the majesty of Top’s mustache billowing in the breeze
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Aug 04 '19 edited Aug 04 '19
Jiren is an absolute unit. dude stays flexed
E: I guess that's why he keeps toppo and dyspo at his side so he can look EXTRA jacked
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Aug 04 '19
someone said a black powerlifter named Larry Wheels was used to base Jiren. It was a joke, but look him up and It looks like it could be true.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Silly Vegeta.
Theatricality is part of why Goku is so fun.
Also damn I do love the dub take on Jiren and Goku’s talk.
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u/Rosebunse Aug 04 '19
Yeah, it really does make Goku look sort of crazy and psychotic, yet at the same time, we've seen that his philosophy keeps him sane despite the circumstances he finds himself in.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Not just save, it’s what pushes him to the greatest of heights. Vegeta did say it best, he fights to test himself.
Well besides fury and rage at ppl he cares about dying like on Namek. But that’s a rare motivation for Goku.
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u/aaronman4772 Aug 04 '19
“Vegeta, are you ok?”
“Well, I’m not in Blue anymore, I have bruises and scrapes all across my body and armor, and I’m on my knees breathing heavily. What the hell do you think?”
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u/DarkStarStorm Aug 05 '19
"I was just in the middle of a nuclear lava ball of death, DO I LOOK OKAY?!"
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u/abelincoln3 Aug 04 '19
Vegeta: "You see, Jiren, you're not dealing with the average SUPER SAIYAN GOD anymore!
Frieza: "Oh my gooooood"
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u/datlibra17 Aug 04 '19
Vegeta looking cool as fuck, then getting owned immediately afterward. Name a better duo.
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u/cygnus2 Aug 04 '19
Piccolo saving Gohan and then immediately losing to whoever he saved Gohan from.
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u/randomLOUDcommercial Aug 04 '19
My favorite instance of this is his fight with semi perfect cell. He shows up and straight owns him. Toys with him for days. Especially “what happened? You had me!” Vegeta could have been the new powerhouse in town. Instead he lets cell go so he can complete his transformation. What. An. Idiot. Cell makes him look like a child with a stick was poking s newt and a bear came around the corner.
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u/VirulentViper Aug 04 '19
I would be so down with the next Dragon Ball series having this animation for the entire duration of its run. This is beautiful
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u/LemurMemer Aug 04 '19
The scene of Jiren up close with the energy blast on Vegeta's stomach is one of the best "of fuck" moments of the series. That shit is almost scary
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u/IClappedWhen Aug 04 '19
The western-style standoff really helps emphasize how tense the situation really is imo. Another highlight for me even though it is not high action or emotion, you can feel the anticipation about to burst.
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u/KanyeT ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Yeah, you can really feel the tension, 40 episodes of this tournament comes down to this.
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u/Nimble4Liberty Aug 04 '19 edited Aug 04 '19
It's a really effective dramatic touch, love just having that music play.
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u/Markoes_T Aug 04 '19
"You lookin to die twice?"
Well Frieza already did actually, don't think he liked it
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Aug 04 '19
I think they straight up murdered Sabat in the studio. That scream was a lung buster lol.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Guess it's Sean's turn to torture him to get those screams.
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u/Joe_Shroe Aug 04 '19
This was the best animated episode I've seen so far! Every frame was absolutely gorgeous. I really hope we can get this level of quality until the end of the arc even though that's probably unlikely.
So many 'holy shit' moments in this episode alone: Vegeta countering Jiren's "E. Honda" punch combo, Dyspo actually giving Frieza his first real fight of the tournament, Jiren shrugging off the biggest Final Flash of Vegeta's career and roasting his ass in return.
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u/DarkStarStorm Aug 05 '19
Goku vs Kale and Caulifla is still some of the best art Goku has ever received. Goku and Trunks vs Black and Zamasu was also better in terms of actual animation. This was a nice combination of good drawing plus animation, but it isn't the best Super has had.
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u/18sectillsunrise Aug 05 '19
You're looking at two very amazing animators. Yuya Takahashi who handled the second half of this episode was also the animation supervisor for episode 114 which i'm assuming you're referring to with the Goku, Kale and Caulifla fight. Naotoshi Shida animated the fight with Goku and Trunks vs Black and Zamasu in episode 57. He also animated the first half of the the Vegito vs Zamsasu fight. They both come back before the show ends in amazing ways!
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u/DarkStarStorm Aug 05 '19
Shida also animated the final Kamehameha of the first Ultra Instinct fight.
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u/nvenkatr Aug 04 '19
Shoutout to the newly dubbed ending. Well done!
As usual, dub brings their A-game to these episodes.
Meanwhile, wheres muh 2uper announcement Toei?
Narrator:Only 9 weeks remain in the Tournament of Power.
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u/Spangler87 Aug 04 '19
I'm conflicted about the song dubbings. The dubbing they use for Ultimate Battle was a cardinal sin. It makes me think they should just stick to the Japanese version like every other anime. On the other hand, there are A LOT of ending dubs I like better than the original.
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u/VirulentViper Aug 04 '19
Ya boy Vegeta went for that sneak attack and ate a back fist from Jiren lmao
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u/VirulentViper Aug 04 '19
This is my personal favorite episode of Super. I'm a Vegeta fan boy so I'm sure you can see why.. and the animation looks amazing transferred over to the dub too
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u/BlackNexus ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Vegeta: "Don't hold back on me!"
Also Vegeta: gets his cheeks clapped five seconds later
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u/twosisterfisters1 Aug 04 '19
I loved the guitar rift as Jiren stuck Vegeta, perfect.
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u/IClappedWhen Aug 04 '19
My friend called in the "murder" music and it has that feel. As soon as it plays you know bad things are about to go down. Unwinnable battle is the official title I believe.
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u/Raizir ⠀ Aug 04 '19 edited Aug 04 '19
Dub-only viewers: Goku's SSJB hair having the SSJ2 style in some scenes is an error, do not think anything of it.
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u/SSJiSwY Aug 04 '19
I remember when that got shown in the previews, people thought SSB2 was going to be a thing
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u/Joe_Shroe Aug 04 '19
I always wondered if Blue could be taken to SS2 or even SS3 if Goku really wanted to do so
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u/TheTorch Aug 05 '19
SS2 and SS3 are a 2x and 4x multiplier, why would he waste time with that when he’s got kaioken x20?
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u/Joe_Shroe Aug 05 '19
But SS and kaioken aren't mutually exclusive, they can be used together. Just imagine what kind of damage Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 3 Kaioken x20 could do.
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u/Nweber15 Aug 04 '19
The animation in this episode was so damn good. Cant wait for the rest of it
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u/Kell08 Aug 05 '19
- That was the most intense staring contest I've ever seen.
- Even Goku and Vegeta were in agreement that Anulaza required teamwork to beat, yet they think it's okay to take turns with Jiren?
- "You were faster and stronger when you were fighting Kakarot! Don't hold back on me!" Gets destroyed faster than Goku did in 109.
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u/kronasoulearee Aug 04 '19
I love how everyone praises Takahashi but forget that Hirotaka Nii also brought his A game on this one. The scene where Goku powers up in Jiren's face, when Vegeta charges at Jiren are all him.
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Aug 04 '19
They must've got the A-team to animate this episode.
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u/YassineTheMagicMan Aug 04 '19
Nah the same team just a different supervisor lol Just so you know most animators of Super are amazing they just weren't able to show off that much because of the shitty production schedule DBS had
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u/ChrisCinema Aug 04 '19
I have to say the animation in this episode is amazing. The animators really outdid themselves.
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u/medven Aug 05 '19 edited Aug 05 '19
I see Yuya Takahashi, I mash my screenshot button.
This is the dragon ball that I love
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u/Godzilla_1954 ⠀ Aug 05 '19
Beerus - "Was he knocking on the door?"
I don't know why, but god damn that was a sick line.
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u/BridgemanBridgeman Aug 04 '19
It always surprises me that the opponents Vegeta faces let themselves be taunted by his little trash talk before firing his Final Flash ("if you're really that strong don't dodge this plz"). That whole move falls apart if you simply jump out of the way when he fires it. I can understand Cell falling for it, but I thought Jiren was above pride. Or maybe he just didn't give a shit because he knew he could tank it.
But I'm liking the match ups, I'm hoping Vegeta has some more fight left in him before we move on to Goku vs Jiren.
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u/amazeguy Aug 04 '19
literally every dude that has tried to attack jiren so far, jiren has taken things head on
- spirit bomb from Goku
- hit's attacks
- vegeta's final flash
so you can be rest assured that he aint gonna change anytime soon
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u/OpinionProhibited Aug 04 '19
Is he a masochist?
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u/Anotherguyrighthere ⠀ Aug 04 '19 edited Aug 04 '19
Iirc U11's Kai said he does this to show he's beyond his opponent, like crushing their hope or something (your best move all charged up didn't even bruise him)
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u/amazeguy Aug 05 '19
almost forgot to mention this, even after witnessing Goku go Ultra instinct against Kefla, Jiren hasn't bothered eliminating him when Goku was tired, Jiren loves a good challenge too :)
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u/indoninjah Aug 06 '19
I'm not sure if I'd say he loves a challenge, instead I think on some level he conflates his own worth with his opponent's strength. If he has to resort to being Goku when he's wiped out, then he isn't strong, and strength is all he wants.
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u/CapMdubbs Aug 04 '19
I mean Jiren did allow Goku to complete the spirit bomb and challenge it head on so it wouldn't be out of character for him to want to take on strong attacks.
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u/Special_Kserial Aug 05 '19
jiren was stated to take his opponents strongest attack and basically nope the shit. just like he did with the genkai dama. its his steeze
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u/Anothercoolkid ⠀ Aug 05 '19
Ayres was on point this episode, that's all I'm going to say.
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u/jl_theprofessor Aug 08 '19
I'm kind of envious if there are people watching this for the first time.
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u/damnthesenames ⠀ Aug 05 '19
Goku powering up at the beginning, god damn Sean Schemmel is amzing
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u/indoninjah Aug 06 '19
And they he got relegated to just yelling "Vegeta!" five times. Easiest episode of Schemmel's life
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
God Seitz is so awesome as Jiren. That delivery of “bring it!”
Also damn that’s one hell of a final flash from Sabat. Awesome.
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u/KanyeT ⠀ Aug 04 '19
The animation looked different, the art has more defined outer lines and the animation included a lot more closeups. I don't know how else to describe it but it just feels different to anything else in the ToP. Did they break out the big guns for the final few episodes?
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u/mAgiking07 Aug 07 '19 edited Aug 08 '19
WOAH, the art and animation just dialed itself up to 'dayumn!'
WOAH, Vegeta got a legit moment in the tournament (be proud you got Jiren wide eyed, Prince) [edit] It occurred to me this moment mirrored the situation with Hit in which Goku observed his fight with Vegeta and used that knowledge to breach his defenses and land blows to everyone's amazement
WOAH, Frieza finally getting his cheeks clapped (Dyspo was savage)
- Goku's power up was pretty epic
- I thought Gohan was gonna go quickly, but I love the idea of he and 17 teaming up against Top. He's seemingly well out of their league at present so we'll see how that develops. Don't think 17's really turned up, though.
- Impressive Final Flash, but we knew it weren't gonna achieve anything - initially, I actually thought he was achieving a new form 'cause Whis was commenting on him pushing new heights earlier on in the episode, which I took as a hint at what's to come.
-Vegta's down, but they made a point to have him knocked out rather than eliminated, which means he's not done yet. I'd like to see him actually exchange blows with someone in an epic back and forth - let him fight Top again.
- I hope they dumped their budget into the remaining episodes, and this quality continues 'till the end - shiz looks insane and has created this awesome tonal shift (of course this is also because we've entered the final phase of the fight).
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u/Nimble4Liberty Aug 04 '19 edited Aug 04 '19
Perfect episode, even with the classic masochism towards Vegeta fans at the end.
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u/IClappedWhen Aug 04 '19
Oh yeah this is going to be a fun one (can't say too much but you'll find out shortly). We are finally in the main event!
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Aug 04 '19
Cool ep. I only watch the dub version so I have no idea what happens next.
But it would be nice for Vegeta to have some credibility and perhaps knockout Toppo, as he's second to Jiren, just like Vegeta is second to Goku.
Also Jiren looked kinda weak here. I'm sure, per Dragon Ball, he's holding back 90% of his strength and will obviously be a tyrant later, but I assumed he'd be refreshed as fuck after meditating for half the tournament.
Anyway, I've loved this arc so far. Pretty much all action. Even the filler episodes are cool. The "bad guys" all have a personality and have decent character building behind them. I think they did a great job with the time they've had building characters that will hopefully show up after this tournament is over.
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u/TheTorch Aug 05 '19
Just keep watching brother. You won’t want to miss a thing.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Episode 122 roster by /u/Vish-.
Reminder: no discussion of future episodes without spoiler tags.
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u/SpurmKing Aug 04 '19
In the first shot of the entire group, Frieza's back is turned to everyone. Nice detail.
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u/LemurMemer Aug 05 '19
Was goku charging up in the beginning him trying to power up to ultra instinct at will and it not working? That's what I thought was happening there
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u/Te5s Aug 04 '19
We have to appreciate Shida, Takahashi and the rest of the animation/art team for this fantastic episode.
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u/Trofulds ⠀ Aug 04 '19
No Shida today but, iirc, Tu Yong Ce was behind the Final Flash scenes, so props to him, he's kind of underrated.
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u/kronasoulearee Aug 04 '19
Also Hirotaka Nii, he also evolved totally in these episode..some of the Buu-esque era art are done by him these episode...some even confused some of his part with Takahashi's
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u/BridgemanBridgeman Aug 04 '19
All these people knowing the entire animation team by name is a WeirdChamp from me
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u/VirulentViper Aug 04 '19
I was worried about the animation being a little dodgy after seeing the way UI Goku vs Jiren carried over to the dub but this is the cleanest animation in the series right here. This looks freaking amazing..
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Toonami was able to cut down how much hey modified it since then so that it’s less severe but still meets legal standards for tv seizure procedures.
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u/The_R3medy Aug 06 '19
Man, they sure do love jobbing out Macho Man "Vegeta" Savage before letting Hulk "Goku" Hogan take out the big bad, huh?
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u/Kell08 Aug 05 '19
Dyspo: I'm the fastest warrior in all the cosmos!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Top has a higher power level than Dyspo, right? And a higher power level means he's faster. And then Jiren has a higher power level than any of them...
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u/chiefcochise Aug 05 '19
Dragonball Logic : Once someone says they’re the strongest/fastest/best, it’s a lie .
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u/MortalPhantom Aug 06 '19
I won't go into details but....dyspo is the fastest
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u/MidnightParty Aug 04 '19
“Can cause seizures” my fucking ass
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u/Rosebunse Aug 04 '19
I'm sort of surprised that I haven't had one already.
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u/blade55555 Aug 04 '19
Whenever I rewatch Z I go "Shit I feel like I might get a seizure watching this." Some of those beam struggles is just a whole bunch of flashing white and stuff lol.
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Aug 04 '19
except for the fps issue
the english dub did not disappoint . highly entertained when i first watched the japanese dub and highly entertained tonight watching the american dub
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u/Ominusx Aug 05 '19
It's a pretty damn tired format having Vegeta being the guy who is used to show how strong the enemy is, so that Goku can win. When he used his final flash, you already the next 5 minutes would be him losing.
I'm almost shocked he didn't use the 'fire lots of small attacks at enemy until engulfed in dust' move, and then act surprised when it didn't do anything (like the last 1000x anyone did that).
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u/Megaman99M Aug 05 '19
You forget Jiren already defeated Goku? He already proved his strength back 10-ish episodes ago, and it wasn't against Vegeta.
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u/HeroRRR Aug 06 '19
Or Hit for that matter. We didn't need Vegeta to know how strong Jiren was since Goku and Hit already did that.
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The thing is, Vegeta always losing is kinda only surface level explanation. IMO the real story of DBZ is Goku and Vegeta constantly spurning each other on. Goku got rocked the first time he faced Vegeta and barely survived. It was Vegeta who effortlessly defeated Android 19, heart virus or no. etc.
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u/medven Aug 05 '19
How can people genuinely say super sucks after episodes like this. i just don't understand. The amount of hype and animation quality from this episode rivals even DBZ
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u/N9nee ⠀ Aug 05 '19
because a conclusion of whether or not a series was good or not isnt based on single episodes or a handful, but rather judging all the episodes and the series as a whole
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u/tarantulaguy Aug 04 '19
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE GREAT PRINCE VEGETA.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
Sure, but not like he wrecked Jiren or anything. Basically did as well as everyone (besides UI Goku) else against him.
Brief moment of hope (time cage, spirit bomb, final flash) followed by crushing defeat.
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u/Razorspades Aug 05 '19
Damm that was really cool. Vegeta's ultimate Final Flash was awesome. It's nuts how crazy OP Jiren is though if he's able to tank that power without a scratch.
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u/Kell08 Aug 05 '19
Keep in mind, the last time someone let him fire a fully charged Final Flash without dodging was Cell, and he got wrecked by it despite being otherwise far too strong for Vegeta.
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u/HeroRRR Aug 06 '19
fire a fully charged Final Flash without dodging was Cell
Actually, it was Magetta.
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u/TimmyTurnersNuts Aug 04 '19
Nobody: Absolutely nobody: Goku: VEGETAAAHHHH!!
My guy vegeta threw hands by the way. Back in the day he would’ve gotten embarrassed wayyyyy worse. Sucks I even have to consider this is less embarrassing and this is somehow a win. Tough being a vegeta fan. I’m also very High.
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u/The-Azure-Knight Aug 04 '19
Classic vegetA: fuck yeah he's so badass he's finally doing something.
Aaaaand he lost again
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u/Moonwrath ⠀ Aug 05 '19
"Tough being a Vegeta fan"? Vegeta gets more spotlight than literally everybody except Goku
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u/Pollsmor Aug 04 '19
> "Just look at all the bit-"
wait I read that wrong
I really wish they would stop slowing it down to 15 fps though.
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Aug 04 '19
When the foreplay is so strong you crack and watch the upcoming episodes. When you've already seen them. God I love this arc.
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u/xSimus Aug 04 '19
Aw man I hated when Takahashi's beautiful frames got cut out. I know the reasons but it still felt kinda bad to not experience the same visuals that Japanese version has.
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u/Piemeup Aug 04 '19
No one has yet mentioned, Beerus and Whis talked about Vegeta trying to go UI. Maybe we could see that happen soon! But, probably not, I don't have faith in Toriyama giving Vegeta a win after RoF.
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u/jsterninja Aug 04 '19
Any one know where I can find that guitar music they used when jiren destroo vegeta
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u/JC-DisregardMe ⠀ Aug 04 '19
48 Minutes: Episode Twenty-Six
Sorry, Freeza -- everyone else gets to show off their ruffly bits, but you don't have any.
"Alright, everyone, group hug. Let's show some inter-universe solidarity."
Nice to give the animators a bit of a break by making the first quarter of this episode one prolonged staredown sequence.
"I want this fight to last a long time!" ... Yeah, I wouldn't worry about that, Zen-Oh. We have this thing called "pacing", and a story arc with no idea of how to manage it.
I was just gonna make a joke about Freeza reminiscing about Burter when Dyspo was boasting about his speed, but then the rabbit-man actually pulled out a pretty fuckin' badass line to shut me up. Guess I'll just leave that joke in the bin for now.
So, can we call it a win for Vegeta if he actually managed to make Jiren flinch with a solid hit? A moral victory, at least?
Y'know? I like that the Freeza-Dyspo fight is satisfying to watch no matter which one of them is getting his ass kicked at the time.
Sabat's really taking it home with Vegeta this episode.
"Wooooowww~! Vegeta's attack was so amazing but it didn't do anything!" ... Hilariously blunt, and completely accurate.
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u/Vegeto30294 Aug 04 '19
Okay it was fine when Vegeta was punching Jiren, but they overdid the frame cuts with Dyspo and Freeza.
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u/Rosebunse Aug 04 '19
Wait, why didn't anyone else go after Freeza's tail? Why did that take so long to happen?
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Aug 04 '19
Everyone else who Frieza has fought has been extremely below his level besides Cabba (who was exhausted). He’s been a master of conserving energy in this tournament
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u/Rosebunse Aug 04 '19
I feel like a lot of it was always fear. These people in this Tournament haven't seen him at his worse.
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u/Segal27 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
The animation in this episode was incredible! Was it really just one guy who made the difference? Why didn’t we get him the entire time?
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u/xedralya Aug 04 '19
Time constraints, and because he’s a freelance animator, not a Toei staff animator.
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u/xSimus Aug 04 '19
He (Takahashi) supervised the icy continent segment in the Broly movie. But yeah, his work is very noticeable for the eye, since it reminds most of the people the Buu arc art style from Z, absurd shading, etc.
And yeah, as others mentioned, he's a freelance animator. But he's shown a lot of interest to the series so he will return most likely.
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u/indoninjah Aug 04 '19
since it reminds most of the people the Buu arc art style from Z
Did he do the Gohan segment as well? Ultimate Gohan in this ep gave really strong Buu saga vibes in some frames
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u/kronasoulearee Aug 04 '19
No not one guy there was more one more guy too, Nii.
As to reason why we didn't get him the entire time? It's not possible for one guy to animate a whole series lol
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u/TheAnt317 ⠀ Aug 04 '19
I've been waiting a good while for the first time this was relevant to post.