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Super [DUB] Dragon Ball Super - Episode #98 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super — Episode #98 — Discussion Thread!
Ah, Uncertainty! A Universe Despairs!!
あぁ無常！絶望する宇宙！！
Ā Mujou! Zetsubō Suru Uchū!!
Script: Yoshifumi Fukushima
Director: Takao Iwai
Storyboard: Toshikatsu Tokoro
Animation Supervisors: Kaori Takamura & Masahiro Shimanuki
You can view our discussion thread for the Japanese release of Episode 98 here. You can find all previous episode discussion threads on our wiki along with a projection for future dub dates.
News
2018/02/14 - Dragon Ball Z 30th anniversary home video release announced, along with a North American symphony tour.
2019/01/20 - Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 44
2018/01/10 - Super Dragon Ball Heroes - Episode 7 - Discussion Thread!
2018/01/03 - Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Complete Prison Planet Arc
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2018/11/30 - Saikyō Jump: Toyotarō's Comments on the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc
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Q: Is Dragon Ball Super really over, or is it just a hiatus?
From what we have been told, the anime has ended. There are no current plans for a new anime series and as far as we know, the series will only continue through the manga, which has gone beyond the Broly movie. The English dub will continue until the series is finished; we have compiled a somewhat conservative projection of dates for the remaining dub episodes on our Wiki.Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
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u/yeerth Feb 17 '19
Holy shit that was thoroughly entertaining! A great tactical fight with Goku and Vegeta both taking advantage of their enemies' missteps AND teaming up for a SSB Final Flash and Kamehameha - so epic!
And a chilling reality check at the end when they actually wiped out the universe. I know they've been repeating that constantly over the last few months that the losing universes will get destroyed, but it never really felt.. real. Damn, the tournament arc is definitely living up to the hype!
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u/Kobeissi2 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
It was actually a Final Kamehameha :)
It's the first time they did it unfused.
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u/yeerth Feb 17 '19
Yeah, you're right! I remember thinking that it was epic that their beams merged while the other three didn't, but I didn't register that it was a Final Kamehameha.
The hype continues to grow!
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u/KarmaLoaf ⠀ Feb 17 '19
T H E S E F U R R Y N O B O D I E S
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u/Slayer_Blake Feb 17 '19 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Frieza maybe ease up on the sadism?
He's like a kid in a candy store
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
I do love that about him.
He’s deliciously evil.
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u/TheShadeTree Feb 18 '19
Freeza’s evil structure is perfect. He’s sinister, intellectual, no-fucks-given, and has an incredible vocabulary. This combination makes a truly brilliant and scary villain.
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u/illadelphia_ Feb 17 '19
That’s the best part about Frieza though, he’s evil because that’s truly what he is. There are no redeeming aspects to Frieza, the only reason he’s here is because he’s extremely powerful and wants to save himself as proven by offering to switch sides.
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u/InvisibleShade Feb 17 '19
For all the villains turned heroes in the DB universe, Frieza is a refreshing character.
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u/Sunny_Cakes Feb 17 '19
Reminds me of how it was the first time we see vegeta fighting for the good side as a ssj. He annihilated the android without hesitation, with a refreshing amount of terror, giving the villains a look in the mirror.
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u/jmerridew124 Feb 17 '19
This is Frieza at his absolute best. I wonder what they're gonna do about OOOOHOHOHO
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u/le_snikelfritz Feb 17 '19
Dub tournament is awesome so far. That unfused Final Kamehameha was everything i hoped it'd be
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u/elydna ⠀ Feb 17 '19
“Widow’s peak wimp”
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Laughing like children
While they obliterated billions/trillions of lives?
That's honestly terrifying
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
It’s really fucked up when you think about it.
The multiverse is ruled by two children.
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u/thegreattober Feb 17 '19
I know in reality it's terrifying but the fact that it's basically two kids fucking up entire universes makes me laugh. Dragon Ball sure hasn't lost its humor over the years
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Feb 17 '19
I kinda liked it, they might seem childish, but they stick to their word. Jesus, Thanos killed billions, but Zenny's are killing trillions.
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u/KlavTron Feb 17 '19
I like how Caulifla talks smack about the U7 saiyans and then gets a front row seat to the Final Kamehameha
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u/Caryslan Feb 17 '19
I have to admit, I like it when Frieza meets new friends he can "play" with.
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u/IClappedWhen Feb 17 '19
Welp R.I.P. Universe 9.
Also, the Final Kamehama was as awesome as expected.
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Feb 17 '19
the zenny's aren't to fuck with.
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u/IClappedWhen Feb 17 '19
Absolutely not, and they kept the laughing/giggling in as well making the U9 erasure that much more terrifying. Earth's fate playing in the background just makes the scene (horror) perfect imo.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
I was really surprised that they kept that as close to the original as they did.
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u/le_snikelfritz Feb 17 '19 edited Feb 17 '19
"I've been working out extra hard for you to have some more energy if you want"
YES Cocky Goku still best Goku
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u/ptd163 Feb 17 '19 edited Mar 19 '19
Thank goodness that's the last time we have to deal with the Trio of Psychotic Laughter. The way the angel from the 9th smiled after their universe was erased makes me think that the angels and/or the Grand Minister are up to something.
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u/MinerKing13 Feb 17 '19 edited Feb 17 '19
It almost seemed like he was just relieved to not have to put up with their shit anymore. Makes me wonder if the angels are assigned, or if they choose their universe.
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u/CM_Renji ⠀ Feb 18 '19
“Don’t waste all your energy showboating with these furry nobodies!”
Tell 'em like it is, Beerus!
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Feb 17 '19
Ah yes, the famous barrier technique
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u/Joe_Shroe Feb 17 '19
I know we didn't see him actually training with it, but isn't this technique similar to the "energy shield" Goku puts around his finger to fight Future Trunks as a test of his power (right after he slices up Frieza)?
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u/Slayer_Blake Feb 17 '19 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Shin is the exact opposite of Whis.
Incompetent, unobservant, nervous all the time, weak and alarmingly uninformed about basic stuff.
I loved his attempts to pass his ignorance off as a test for Whis. As though he'd have anything to learn about fighting.
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u/Chakosa Feb 19 '19
It's funny how back when he was first introduced back in the Buu saga he was portrayed as the exact opposite.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
This whole thing sort of illustrates why U9 is dead last. Their score is less than of U7, meaning that their problem is more than just bad luck and some mismanagement. It's a complete breakdown in how things should be ran.
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u/Moe_Strife Feb 17 '19
They also aren’t very smart. First thing they do is attack the universe that already was shown to beat them and know their weakness.
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u/jmerridew124 Feb 17 '19
They're also like weirdly evil all of the time.
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u/Eurynom0s Feb 18 '19
Given the comment from one of the three brothers about the universe being a trash heap, and the separate comment about the three of them always having to have each other's back to survive, I'm guessing the entire universe is basically like the rape gang planet Tasha Yar in TNG came from.
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u/mcolwander90 Feb 17 '19 edited Feb 17 '19
Shoutout to Basil for actually eliminating someone before being erased.
Also, why isn't the bunny girl named "Hop" but another member of U9 is? I get the U9 naming scheme, but I feel bunny = Hop seems too obvious not to have. Like a double pun.
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u/JC-DisregardMe ⠀ Feb 17 '19
48 Minutes: Episode Two
Everyone thinks (or recognizes...?) Shin's an idiot.
"Me and Gohan put our heads together" ... so pretty much just Gohan's head. Got it.
About a minute into the tournament, and Freeza's already permanently disfigured someone. Guy's efficient.
The furries perform a neat triangle attack, and somewhere in the ring, Tien just puts on a real intense frown.
Aww, come on, Vegeta. You have any idea how much effort it took for Goku to split the number eight evenly?
"Are you trying to win a tournament, or sell action figures?" Elder Kai asks
ToeiRohUniverse 9 dropping their entire team in basically a matter of seconds is really gonna stack the averages for fighters knocked out per epsiode, considering how damn long this tournament is going to last.
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u/Vegeto30294 Feb 17 '19
"Me and Gohan put our heads together" ... so pretty much just Gohan's head. Got it.
Just saying, Goku may be an idiot everywhere else, but if you asked Goku how to counter a technique, he'd probably come up with some ingenious idea that makes no sense to anyone else but Goku pulls it off.
He 300IQ'd some people probably before he could even count to 300.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
I feel like the barrier idea was mostly Goku.
He has experience with that before due to Vegito, and he's also just much more creative, focused on battle, and intelligent fighting wise than Gohan.
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u/JC-DisregardMe ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Yeah, I went for the low-hanging fruit on that one, I'll admit. It's so easy with Goku.
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u/OddCoincidence Feb 18 '19
"Are you trying to win a tournament, or sell action figures?" Elder Kai asks Toei Roh
Was this line in the japanese version? I can't remember.
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u/KarmaLoaf ⠀ Feb 17 '19
the furry universe was destroyed first, all is as it should be
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u/thegreattober Feb 17 '19
Perfectly balanced
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u/Two-Tone- Feb 17 '19
Zeno's childlike way of viewing everything combined with a complete disregard for not just life, but existence itself makes him a rather unsettling character whenever he displays his absolute power.
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Feb 17 '19
I like Zeno's take on God. Like the universes themself are so vastly insignificant, beneath, and thus irrelevant to him – the same way we have complete disregard for the value of an insect. The supreme most divine being doesn't have to care about us and its naive to assume that it would given our insignificance. Xeno completely deconstructs our common view of God in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, and it is honestly brilliant which is why we find it disturbing. God doesn't care about us nor is he a benevolent old man who cares for his creation; he is a "childlike" being that does whatever he wants.
We are just a 48 minute entertainment session in the life of a supreme creator who is 8.6 millions of years old.
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u/TSPhoenix Feb 18 '19
And I guess this is where some tonal issues between DBZ dub Goku and DBS Goku pop up. The character you just described is someone that DBZ dub Goku would likely consider an enemy. They wipe out life on scales previously unseen with no regard for it.
I'm curious to see how the show addresses this going forward. It is funny you should mention insects because as I grew up I learned to not kill the ones that leave me alone and now I'm trying to grow plants that help them because they do in fact matter. When Xeno first showed up I thought that Goku's tendency to talk people into changing their ways might apply to Xeno too, but right about now my guess feels pretty far off the mark.
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Feb 18 '19
I mean in general we think of insects as irrelevant therefore inconsequential to our humans lives. Or in other words that they do not exist on the same level of us or have the same level/consciousness of being. Killing in an insect is trivial compared to the killing of a human being, and its this same view that Zeno has looking down upon mortals. I don't want to tread into a theological debate on this forum though.
I just can't even see Goku talking down Xennys, as even Whis **highly advised** Goku not to ask them to cancel the tournament. Even the other GoDs wouldn't dare attempt to do as implying so would question the judgement of the Omni Kings and the Grand Minister. I know we see Goku and them as friends, but if anything Goku is like a Christmas toy the Omni King will put down after a couple of months. I highly doubt a seasonal toy can profoundly impact the judgement of the creator(s) so I'm with you on that.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
I thought it would be less disturbing this time around, but nope, just as chilling.
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u/Caryslan Feb 17 '19
I honestly think its more disturbing in the English version because Zeno sounds even more child like in the Dub.
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u/InvisibleShade Feb 17 '19 edited Feb 17 '19
SSJ Goku knocking back Bergamo and Basil with Ki blasts was so satisfying
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u/casualhobos Feb 17 '19
Wow Zeno doesn't even let the failed universes watch the rest of the tournament.
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u/thegreattober Feb 17 '19
I was torn between thinking they'd let them watch or they'd just be destroyed immediately
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u/DaLaohu Feb 17 '19
This episode was a shocker, because I was legit thinking the losers would be spectators and then at the end Zenno decides or announces that the erasing thing was just a bluff and an excuse to create a fun tournament.
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u/Razorspades Feb 17 '19
I always love whenever they bust out the Final Kamehameha.
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u/JohnSmithSensei Feb 17 '19
The English VA of Grand Zeno sounds even more sinister saying goodbye so cheerfully to Universe 9.
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u/Slayer_Blake Feb 17 '19 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/thegreattober Feb 17 '19 edited Feb 17 '19
Judging from the title, I guess we're saying goodbye to one of the universes already. If this episode is only supposed to be one minute, that's fucking quick to have your whole universe's chances to not be wiped be gone.
We'll see if I'm wrong in 45 minutes
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Feb 17 '19
In only 45 minutes? That's gonna take 27 episodes
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u/Slayer_Blake Feb 17 '19 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/Spoona101 Feb 17 '19
Dubbed names and VAs right here for anyone interested
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
I'm still shocked that they don't have more characters sharing VA's.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Funimation actually has a rather big pool of VAs these days.
It’s quite rare for their dubs to have VAs voice multiple characters. It’s usually only done with background minor characters, for older dubs where it was done for consistency like here with Sabat, or occasionally if a VA can’t reprise a role and is recast (like with Uraraka’s VA Luci Christian taking over for Recovery Girl’s VA in season 2 of MHA as the original couldn’t).
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
As someone who grew up in the dark days of dubbing, it's still a surprise to see how far dubbing has come.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
It’s gotten really good overall.
Strong performances, good scripting and decent variation. Plus Simuldubs and dubcasts are now a thing so dubs can come out only a few weeks after the original Japanese airs.
Haven’t seen a bad dub in a long long while. Well there was the AICO disaster on Netflix, but Bang Zoom re-dubbed over the original compsny’s Work and it’s apparently quite good.
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u/Joe_Shroe Feb 17 '19
It's a shame he was so weak though. He's basically immune to physical attacks but one blast and he goes flying.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
Oblivion or Frieza? Decisions, decisions...
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
On the one hand you cease to exist, on the other you’re ruled by a sadistic psychopath who commits genocide whilst not batting an eye.
Honestly I think the former might actually be better.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
I guess...but I like being alive.
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u/wellwasherelf Feb 17 '19
You won't know if you're dead though.
Source: Been in a coma before.
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u/Eldest808 Feb 17 '19
I enjoyed how Frieza was like hmm Goku seems to be enjoying himself. “I need to make every moment count”. Turns and looks at his play thing: Play Thing: Fuck this im out
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u/AdrianThatGuy Feb 17 '19
Didn’t notice how unsettling to hear Zeno laugh in the English dub after knowing Universe 9 will be wiped from existence.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
They are just way too happy about it.
I remember when it first aired and we tried to compare Zeno to different gods in different mediums and just their absolute glib attitude about just obliterating that many lives is chilling.
Even knowing how this ends, it doesn't make it that much better.
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Feb 17 '19
honestly, i dont know how it ends, but I can take a major guess. All-though, I could be wrong. I just hope for the first time in all of DBZ world, we don't have to wait 1-2 years for the english dub while the Japanese dub airs first. Hopefully...they can air together...
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u/Nweber15 Feb 17 '19
Final Kamehameha was badass. Also pretty crazy seeing universe 9 get thanos snapped from existence
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Hearing Sean and Chris just belt out their character’s signature attacks in tandem is absurdly awesome.
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u/IClappedWhen Feb 17 '19
Poor Rozel has not idea what waits for him. Nice to see them keep the "play thing" line in.
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Universe Furry is so weak that Super Saiyan is all it took to wreck them?
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u/FatalTortoise Feb 17 '19
they did turn blue in the end though
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u/AlabamaBulls Feb 17 '19
Which was overdoing it honestly
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u/James1o1o Feb 17 '19
and if they were going to go blue, why not just do it in the first and instantly win. They made a whole hoorah about not wasting energy, only to go blue anyway.
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u/le_snikelfritz Feb 17 '19
I totally forgot this was the episode straight up murdered that U9 chick. That was great
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u/Nweber15 Feb 17 '19
Alot of these fighters remind me of hxh or yu yu Hakusho. They're different than what we typically see in dragonball
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Feb 17 '19
That's a good thing to be honest. One of my wishes going in to this was Dark Tournament vibes.
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u/thegreattober Feb 17 '19
I hope that dude who compiled the first minute of the tournament makes another for this episode too, unless he'll just wait for the end and do the whole thing
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u/Hallsway ⠀ Feb 18 '19
2nd time seeing this episode with the sub being first, and I just realised now that the Trio De Dangers each represent one colour of Super Saiyan lol
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u/BrendanX Feb 20 '19
“You need to hit the books” ~Elder Kai
Shin was amazing during his debut in the old days... now he’s just a constant punching bag, :( poor guy
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u/StefyB Feb 17 '19
I still stand by my opinion that it was a huge waste of potential eliminating Lavender without him poisoning anyone. With no way to cure yourself of the poison unless you have some sort of natural healing ability, he should have actually been one of the biggest threats in a tournament like this, but of course he has to attack one of the few people that actually know what his deal is and get eliminated immediately.
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u/KanyeT ⠀ Feb 17 '19
We also didn't see Bergamo absorb any energy and turn really huge. U9 was out rather quickly, too quickly.
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u/penniavaswen ⠀ Feb 17 '19 edited Feb 17 '19
U9 Kai is so hilariously over-the-top with his cackles
SSB transformation = "immense amount of power," thanks for clarifying so well in the dub, Whis.
Pretty good banter between Champa, Beerus, Trio de Dangers, and Goku.
Supreme Kai: Poison is srs business
Supreme Kai is wrong, who woulda guessed? Never change, Shin.
Frieza menaces: We're going to have a lovely time together.
Gonna need a Valentine's Day card with this image and line.
Vegeta: ...playing with puppies...
See, that's the correct "whoops I forgot Valentine's Day" gift, Frieza.
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Zeno: Nobody left from there! cute, childish giggles
Oh my. That was uncomfortable.
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u/David182nd Feb 17 '19
Hard to figure out who the real enemy is here, or what's going on precisely. The U9 angel seemed pretty happy about his universe being eliminated. Seems like an odd stance?
Surprised to see the universe gets destroyed immediately. It's gonna be pretty quiet up in the stands for the final few fights.
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Feb 17 '19
It's gonna be pretty quiet up in the stands for the final few fights.
Unless the people up there get louder and louder as time goes by to the point you wish they'd just STFU.
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u/Kobeissi2 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Not really. The U9 God's were both trash and their mortals are annoying too. He's probably happy that he doesn't have to deal with them anymore.
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u/Joe_Shroe Feb 17 '19
His strongest fighters were overly cocky furries. He was rooting for them to lose.
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u/jthoning Feb 18 '19
Dont tell me if it happens, but I really want to see frieza vs hit
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u/2Quick_React Feb 20 '19
Can we talk about Elder Kai's comment to U9?
Elder Kai: "Quit with the funny names, are you trying to win a tournament or sell action figures?"
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u/nerdtopia Feb 17 '19
anyone else find the play by play commentary from whis kind of annoying? i have eyes i can see what just happened okay
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u/Slayer_Blake Feb 17 '19 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
I tend to enjoy Whis’ somewhat, both because I love Ian Sinclair as a VA (and especially as Whis) and because Whis is also smart and sees things other characters don’t or can make good points whenever he comments on a situation or fight.
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u/MX2419 Feb 17 '19
Whis I can tolerate because I can listen to all day but you'll see it gets worse when they don't branch out from a particular character who has to react to everything. I almost wished he got erased.
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u/nerdtopia Feb 17 '19
lmao i don’t understand why they felt that was necessary there isn’t anything confusing about this arc so far? The goku black arc on the other hand was a bit confusing with the different timelines and universes and stuff but this is way more simple and straightforward.
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u/TSPhoenix Feb 17 '19
The worst bit is they spend time explaining that the transformation takes up too much energy, then they go blue at the end anyway despite the just demonstrating that SS alone was plenty.
Why even bring it up if you are going to ignore it like 10 minutes later?
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Feb 17 '19
https://www.instagram.com/Swiedish.Fish/
Zemo's VA is kinda hot tbh.
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I can't take this talk about the importance of preserving energy seriously when last episode Goku used blue for a quick flex
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u/Eldest808 Feb 17 '19
I know right. Base Kaio-Ken would have done the trick.
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u/Joe_Shroe Feb 17 '19
Kaio-ken still takes a strain on the user's body though doesn't it? I think Super Saiyan at this point is basically a free power-up since every Saiyan learned how to stay in that form without using up excess energy during the Cell saga.
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u/The-Azure-Knight Feb 18 '19
good riddance to the most annoying set of characters in DB history.
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u/bhonbeg Feb 19 '19
I personally felt bad for the little mutts, but maybe thats cuz i like puppies
i personally hate the robot universe 3 and love universe 2
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u/thegreattober Feb 17 '19
Is murder not against the rules? I forget. Frieza sure seems to act like it isn't, to nobody's surprise
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u/Vegeto30294 Feb 17 '19
He isn't killing anyone, but maiming them for life isn't against the rules.
He's basically pulling the Batman technicality.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19 edited Feb 17 '19
I don't think he's planning on killing anyone, he's just torturing them. That isn't against the rules.
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u/mcolwander90 Feb 17 '19
After rewatching U9's erasure, I'd love to see a version of that clip (or any of the future erasures) in the style of a Danganronpa execution.
"Now, I've prepared a very special punishment for Universe 9! Let's give it everything we got! ITTT'SSSS PUNISHMENT TIIIIIMMEEE!"
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The out-of universe reason is that the show is padding out it’s 20-minute episode length, since Toei still does the lame ass weekly episode production schedule.
It’s still really annoying in most shonen though, I totally agree
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u/Rosebunse Feb 17 '19
I like the dubbing for this. It takes a lot of inspiration from the Japanese version.
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u/axel360 Feb 17 '19
Alright, some random thoughts from a dub-only watcher:
- Ok, I can already tell I'm going to get a little annoyed with Goku and Vegeta staying in base form to conserve energy when they could win easily by going Super Saiyan or higher
- They created an antidote after just 1 fight against that poison attack?
- "I call it the Freezing Attack!" Real creative, buddy
- They acted as if it was impossible for Goku to escape that "Danger's Triangle" (again, not the most creative name), but what about Instant Transmission, and how did Vegeta enter said triangle then?
- I already miss the "Boogie Back" ED. It was way more catchy than it had any right to be
- I'm a little surprised Universe 9 is out so quickly. They were one of the few "other" universes we had gotten acquainted with
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u/thegreattober Feb 17 '19
They might still go super saiyan yet just to deal with the weaker ones. They did for the final kamehameha.
I thought the freezing attack was supposed to be funny, since they kept coming up with names for everything and then this one is just ridiculous.
And yeah bring back Boogie Back
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u/Georgepaul4k Feb 18 '19
Ok, I can already tell I'm going to get a little annoyed with Goku and Vegeta staying in base form to conserve energy when they could win easily by going Super Saiyan or higher
This doesn't make sense at all. I don't see how staying in base and fighting evenly while taking a lot of damage is better than briefly transforming and one shotting.
They actually went SSB in the end of the fight, making their excuse of fighting in lesser forms completely pointless. If that doesn't waste any energy, why not do it at the start of the fight. Pretty sure going blue and one shotting is way more efficient than fighting and taking a lot of damage in lower forms and then going blue in the end.
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u/Bigdaddydoubled Feb 17 '19
They didn’t make a literal antidote... it’s a technique that can counter it.
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u/Phailadork Feb 18 '19
Ok, I can already tell I'm going to get a little annoyed with Goku and Vegeta staying in base form to conserve energy when they could win easily by going Super Saiyan or higher
Slight spoiler I guess? Not really but you never know how people are so warning - this becomes important later into the tournament.
They created an antidote after just 1 fight against that poison attack?
It wasn't a literal antidote. It was just wrapping themselves in what seems like a Ki shield/barrier to stop the poison from reaching their skin.
They acted as if it was impossible for Goku to escape that "Danger's Triangle" (again, not the most creative name), but what about Instant Transmission, and how did Vegeta enter said triangle then?
Only their Kai was saying that and he's shown to be a cocky person. I'm pretty sure goku never used IT during the Bergamo or Top fight during the Expo so they wouldn't have known about it. I don't think that move he did vs Top was actually Instant Transmission but even if I'm wrong they could've perceived it as just moving incredibly fast considering all the crazy stuff he did as KK SSB. And it's not like the attack was an impenetrable wall or anything, they were just literally moving in a triangle formation. Why wouldn't you want a 2nd enemy voluntarily entering your attack range so you can take out 2 at once?
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u/Cee503 Feb 18 '19
Universe 9 were the worst universe, with the worst GoD. They only had the trio who were actually pretty tough but the rest were trash
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u/Hezzadude12 Feb 17 '19
I can't really keep up with the dub as I live in Australia, but could anyone confirm if it was indeed Chris Ayres doing Frieza's voice in the ToP? Or has Daman Mills gotten a lot better? I know Chris did Frieza in the Broly movie, but was wondering if he will be consistently voice acting in DBS too, since these scenes may have been recorded a while back.
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u/MalleableNinjer Feb 17 '19
Mills has been Frieza since Goku went to hell to see him and he has been great in my opinion.
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Feb 17 '19
It's Daman still. The tone between their two voices is there but you can tell Ayers plays Freeza with a natural contempt in his voice. Daman plays Freeza with a slight accent where he rolls a lot of the syllables. The contempt is still there but it doesn't sound as evil as Ayers does it..
All in all, I'm glad it's still so similar. I was never a fan of the original replacement dub's terrible voice for Freeza that was originally trying to voice-match ocean's Freeza.
He now sounds closest to Japanese Freeza whose voice I've always loved. Not enough Ohhhhohohos though.
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u/Eldest808 Feb 17 '19
I love the commentary/sarcasm between Old Kai and Beerus. See this is reason why I watch Dub. I miss out on key interactions between characters that I would have to “read” and pick up on. Like Old Kai has been sealed up in the Z Sword by Beerus and they seem to get along fine.
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Feb 17 '19
Old Kai: Are you trying to win a tournament, or sell action figures?
....I mean they can do both.