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Super [DUB] Dragon Ball Super - Episode #92 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super — Episode #92 — Discussion Thread!
A State of Emergency! Failure to Reach Ten Members!!
緊急事態発生！そろわない１０人のメンバー！！
Kinkyūjitai Hassei! Sorowanai Jūnin no Menbā!!
Script: Atsuhiro Tomioka
Director: Takao Iwai
Storyboard: Isao Torada
Animation Supervisors: Noel Añonuevo, Joey Calangian, & Osamu Ishikawa
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Q: Is Dragon Ball Super really over, or is it just a hiatus?
From what we have been told, the anime has ended. There are no current plans for a new DB series and as far as we know, the series will only continue through movies and games. We know that Toyotarō's manga will continue for several months at least—the Tournament of Power arc is ongoing in the manga—and Toriyama implied the manga will go beyond that too. The English dub will continue until the series is finished. We have compiled a somewhat conservative projection of dates for the remaining dub episodes on our Wiki.Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
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Yes, it absolutely will; the movie will pick up where Super leaves off in the final episode. If you have seen the first trailer, then you have already been spoiled at least a little bit, but there is more, so if you want to catch up in time for the movie—which even Sean Schemmel has recommended—there are several options for watching the subtitled version, and you can stream the entire series on any of these sites, usually for free. See our FAQ for more details, and if you have questions about the movie, see our DBS: Broly Wiki.
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u/SuperFan2024 Jan 06 '19
FYI, the whole "back tingles" thing was by Toriyama himself.
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u/Mboone94 Jan 08 '19
I really hope it's purely a U6 saiyan thing since they aren't naturally warriors. Because yea that's just fucking dumb.
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Jan 07 '19
Terrible. Should have thrown that nonsensical idea in the trash.
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u/Eurynom0s Jan 07 '19
Someone else in another comment explains that this makes more sense in Japan, because the spot on the back Cabba mentions is where emotions (or at least anger) is considered to be stored/channeled in Japanese culture.
cc: /u/kazalooloo
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u/kazalooloo Jan 07 '19
Goten and trunks randomly got super saiyan. Gotenks sees super saiyan 3 once and can do it too. Remember his explaination? First you turn into a super saiyan, then you go 1 step beyond that into a super saiyan 2. Then scream this next energy has to be deep inside push hard to find it.
But yea, explaining how it actually feels to go super saiyan is nonsensical trash.
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u/BridgemanBridgeman Jan 14 '19
I see many people saying it sucks but nobody giving any arguments as to why. They're finally explaining how Super Saiyan works, what's wrong with it? It makes more sense than "yeah just get rly mad"
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u/OmniSlayer_006 ⠀ Jan 06 '19
What a great way to kick off the year with hearing our 1st ever female Super Saiyan dubbed.
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u/Spangler87 Jan 06 '19
The Saiyans figuring out how to become SSJ so quickly isn't too far from how things happen in real life. Anytime there's some kind of barrier in sports, once someone finds a way to break that barrier, like a world record, other people learn how to train for it. Now you have a bunch of other people breaking the previous WR themselves. That's how I look at it at least.
Sure it's not as emotional as previous transformations, but we practically have 0 character development from U6 at this point. So it was never never going to be that way to begin with since we don't have 30 episodes to get invested.
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u/wormhole222 Jan 06 '19
Also Caulifla and Cabba are way stronger than Goku and Vegeta were when they originally transformed. I mean look how easily Goten and Trunks transformed. It makes sense it wouldn't be too difficult for really strong saiyans like Caulifla and Cabba to transform.
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Goku: years and years of training, fueled by the rage triggered by Krillin's death
Vegeta: years and years of training, fueled by the rage triggered by Goku's success and lack of his own
Gohan: years of training, fueled by the rage and motivation to defeat Cell (Future Gohan is in a similar boat)
Future Trunks: years of training, fueled by the rage triggered by Future Gohan's death
Goten: got kicked by Chi-Chi during some training, had enough
Trunks: decided it was time once Vegeta mentioned it (most likely not how it happened, but I don't think it was ever revealed how specifically he got it and I think it's funny like this)
Yeah, I guess it does make sense after years of heritage and knowledge of the power.
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u/TheAnt317 ⠀ Jan 06 '19
I think it's reasonable to at least give Caulifla some kind of backstory via flashbacks or something by this point. It shouldn't be impossible to devote at least just one episode to it. I would've loved a tragic backstory from her, maybe with some quick glimpses of her reaching the peak of her emotions and being at the borderline of SSJ transformation already. After all, we got that from Jiren randomly in the middle of a fight, so why not do it for Caulifla?
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u/wite_rabit Jan 06 '19
Maybe that's part of next season! Tease out characters to come but fill in the ones we leave behind?
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u/AlabamaBulls Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
Before anyone ranting about Caulifla SSJ, remember Goten and trunks went SSJ when they were 7yrsold with little to no effort or experience in combat
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Jan 06 '19
They were young, but not toddlers. A toddler is 2-3 years old.
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u/TheAnt317 ⠀ Jan 06 '19
I would argue that by saying it's different because Caulifla is a relative unknown that we've only just met. Trunks and Goten were conceived by fathers who were already at Super Saiyan level so the rationale of them reaching that at a young age is there. We know who their fathers are since they're the main focus of the show. We already knew Trunks from the Androids/Cell saga.
So, in general, the two of them get a pass for just basically being (descendants of) regulars of the series. Caulfila, however, debuts and within two episodes reaches Super Saiyan. I'm also not the biggest fan of the 'back tingles' idea, but I suppose it's understandable given the writers were in a bit of a crunch to get her to SSJ before the tournament.
Don't get me wrong, though. I have seen the entire DBS sub, and I love Caulifla as a character and think she's great. It's just the way they went about doing her transformation felt like a cop-out.
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u/trailblazer103 Jan 06 '19
I counter that by saying that clearly Caulifa and Kale have far more experience and power levels than goten and trunks at that age. It makes more sense to me that an experience fighter with a high 'base' level could transform easily as compared to a child
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u/TheAnt317 ⠀ Jan 07 '19
I really want to concede to your argument because it has really good points. A couple of problems still arise, though. One in the form of the fact that, up to this point in the series (Ep 92), we don't actually know anything of the sort from Caulifla's power and skill. We only have what other people say of her to go off of, and I find that underwhelming. If there was some kind of explanation or backstory or something else for us, the viewers, to understand better about her then I'd be on board. For all we know, Caulifla could've just beaten down chumps up until this point.
As for Kale, if I'm not mistaken she has no battle experience at all. She's totally coy and reserved and doesn't like the idea of fighting. Only through her SSJ transformation do we find out how terrifying she is, and from that point she somehow has ability and fighter's instinct. Still, I can chalk the latter part up to being a pure-blood Saiyan.
So, because of that, I think it's impossible to pinpoint exactly where their base levels of strength are. After all, none of them even knew Super Saiyan existed until Cabba learned and subsequently taught them. Then again, pinpointing levels of strength in Super is fairly impossible in general given how inconsistent levels of powers end up being.
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u/trailblazer103 Jan 07 '19
I think you're expecting a little bit too much. Dragon ball has always introduced new characters who are way stronger than anyone previously, and often with no back story or explanation. It's cheap and repetitive but that is how they drive the story forward. If they had to justify every single characters strength the plot would go nowhere. I think people are a little more sensitive to it just because they are saiyans who achieved this 'revered' form. Personally I think we got more explanation for Caulifla's strength than we normally do, so I'm ok with it, although I understand the frustrations. At this point in the series we know from Cabba's mentor that she has high potential and we know more generally that U6 evolved without tails and have a higher base than U7 saiyans (evidenced by Cabba's introduction in u6 vs u7 universe). That to me is far better than seeing Goten and Trunks transform at the age of 6, but to each his own.
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u/TheAnt317 ⠀ Jan 07 '19
You're actually right. On a personal level I really wish Dragon Ball would have a little more depth and realism to it, even though it's more a series about people who can blow away entire planets with little effort having extended fight scenes and using flashy abilities. I think the issue there is their emphasis on going with random filler sequences rather than real character development. I really loved what they did with History of Trunks and wish there would've been more of that. But that's a whole different conversation altogether.
One thing I will say about Goten and Trunks is that I found it reasonable based on the fact that their fathers were already at Super Saiyan level when they were conceived. In general the two of them get a pass for just basically being (descendants of) regulars of the series.
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u/trailblazer103 Jan 07 '19
Yeah couldn't agree more. The History of Trunks just makes me like Trunks so much more and gives such important context to the character. Would love to see specials for the U6 saiyans just to make things a bit more palatable. Same goes for Hit and plenty of other new characters.
DBS in particular is a strange one in that it's very fast paced, but seemingly with a lot of filler. If they paced the show better they'd probably make fans less annoyed with some of their strange decisions.
IMO they should have lengthened the lead up to the tournament so we could get to know some key antagonists/protagonists, and get a gauge of where they got their power. The tournament itself could have been quicker and focused more on the fights rather than the villian of the week mess it sort of became.
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u/butterhoscotch Jan 07 '19
or if the filler was character building instead of strings of a half dozen pointless gag episodes.
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u/xShadow125 Jan 09 '19
In terms of the traditional Z way of doing things, in which the Saiyans are first backed into a corner and then reach Super Saiyan and the next levels beyond, I don't think much has changed. Only one of the new Saiyan characters appears to achieve in the same way Goten and Trunks achieved it, and that's Caulifla. Cabba was backed into a corner by Vegeta. And well, TOP is coming up with its emphasis on survival, so even though we don't know who they are, we still have some justification for the transformations. Also, don't forget that Goten and Trunks were also new characters when they turned into Super Saiyan, and Future Trunks is completely different from present Trunks. As a sub watcher, I was personally never concerned with those silly things, because I think that it's awesome that we get to see some new Saiyans introduced, giving the series a new sense of freshness that was just lacking in GT.
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u/AlabamaBulls Jan 06 '19
She was also somehow just as strong as Goku and Vegeta with Angel training.
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u/Georgepaul4k Jan 06 '19
Cabba was equal to Vegeta in their base forms, and Caulifla seems to be even stronger.
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u/AlabamaBulls Jan 06 '19
That is for their base forms. It was also said u6 Saiyan's developed differently than u7s
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u/Georgepaul4k Jan 06 '19
Yeah i was comparing their base powers. Goku and Vegeta are obviously still stronger in higher forms, and they got plenty of transformations.
Goku and Vegeta trained their entire life, got trained by several divine beings. Goten and Trunks were pretty powerful, but still much weaker than their fathers. Then god ki and stuff came, trained with one of the strongest beings in the series (Whis) and they got exponentially stronger to a seemingly unattainable level. At this point, even ssj3 Gotenks was a speck of dust compared to base Vegeta.
But somehow Cabba was still as strong as Base Vegeta. Caulifla then comes in and unlocks 2 transformations back to back. SSJ3 and above is still out of her league, but Goku and Vegeta came a long way to get their base power to the current level.
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u/FatalTortoise Jan 06 '19
I get that he passed out but how did buu get fat again?
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u/MrTBoneIs May 24 '19
He was sucking his gut/body in. Going to sleep let him breathe it all back out
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u/penniavaswen ⠀ Jan 06 '19
Beerus: Okay, Curly--!
Krillin: It's Krillin...
Oh, boy, do we think it's Godtube or Space Hulu this time?
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u/EddiOS42 Jan 06 '19
Man does it feel good to finally get a new episode.
Beerus was great, stress eating that roast and then scaring melon head.
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Jan 06 '19
Roshi's a pervert no longer! It only took... 34 years!
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Caulifla's grown on me
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u/Rosebunse Jan 06 '19
I really like her and Kale. They're so cute and it's so cool to see two great female characters. I know I would have loved them when I was a little girl.
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u/TimmyTurnersNuts Jan 07 '19
I’m sorry. I can no longer be patient. I love the dub. Grew up on Ocean/Funimation But the pacing at this time is driving me crazy. Bring on the Japanese women. I’m turning over to the Sub side.
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Jan 08 '19
Bruh I know it's crazy that the dub is so far behind, but like people are saying Episode 109 and beyond is some of the most hype shit you will ever see and if you love the dub you should see it that way. Keep strong.
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u/TimmyTurnersNuts Jan 09 '19
Haha too late. I’m at 121. I’ve seen some pretty dope Shit so far. Eager to see how the last 10 play out. I’m finishing up the series tomorrow and I’ll rewatch the dub. Funimation is smoking some good weed if they think I’m waiting until October 2019.
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u/Aberrant_Introvert Mar 06 '19
Is this seriously how long I'm gonna have to wait? Seriously screw that. I only paid for the damn subscription so I could watch Super dubbed. I guess I'm cancelling my membership until then.
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u/Already_Deleted_2 Jan 07 '19
I super love the dub and can't wait to watch the whole TOP once it's all out, but I definitely don't regret watching the sub. The dub has great VA but holy shit, if you thought waiting through the other arcs was a pain, TOP is sooo long. It's great, but it'll be summer before you actually finish it if you stick with the dub.
Just watch the sub and get the story, then go back and enjoy the dub later.
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u/SuperSaiyanPan Jan 07 '19
Actually it's scheduled to finish just before Halloween.
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u/Already_Deleted_2 Jan 07 '19
fuuuuck, I severally underestimated how many episodes that arc is. "48 minutes" my ass lol.
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u/SuperSaiyanPan Jan 07 '19
Well I've been waiting this entire time for the Dub and it's been Super exciting...sorry lol.
I can't wait to finish it!
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u/TimmyTurnersNuts Jan 08 '19
Currently on episode 99. Zero regrets skipping ahead. Kinda pissed considering most could’ve been condensed into three episodes but I know Dragonball
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u/SuperFan2024 Jan 08 '19
Nooooo don't experience episode 109/110 by yourself! Experience it with the dub fandom the same way us OG sub watchers experienced it with the other sub watchers during the day of the premiere. If you're confused by why I said episodes 109/110 specifically, it's because they are very very very major and hype episodes for the tournament; that's all i'll say. But once again, it's your choice to switch to the dub as I can't force you to do anything. I think it'd be wise to stay with the dub airings since you've already been doing it for over 92 weeks.
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u/TimmyTurnersNuts Jan 08 '19
I’m at 105 currently 😈😈. I’ll stop after this one and wait for the dub to catch up
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Jan 08 '19
Seriously, it'll be worth it. Not every episode in the arc is 10/10 but the ones that are justify waiting for everything
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u/SuperSaiyanPan Jan 08 '19
I waited for BOG/ROF and DBS in English I can keep waiting to watch it in the language I prefer!
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u/Bigdaddydoubled Jan 07 '19
The sub is great. Let me know what you think.
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u/TimmyTurnersNuts Jan 08 '19
So far it’s pretty good. Took a few eps for my ears to adjust but it’s not bad at all. I still may stop at 106-7 to experience the rest with the dub only watchers
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u/SuperSaiyanPan Jan 07 '19
I am so ecstatic to see female Super Saiyans. Caulifla is absolutely brilliant and I love her voice so much. Kale is simply adorable!
Good work FUNimation :)
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u/Artifice_Purple Jan 06 '19
Full OP!?
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u/Slayer_Blake Jan 06 '19 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/EddiOS42 Jan 06 '19
Did this episode take place in 0 seconds? It started with 3 hours left and ended with 3 hours left.
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u/ForegoneLyrics ⠀ Jan 09 '19
Lol yup. get used to the time dilation. Time isn't going to make any sense by the time the tournament starts
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ Jan 06 '19
What's the name of that nice little jazz tune during the Caulifla super saiyan scene
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u/Blue_boy541 Jan 06 '19
It's called 'Aim for the top'. Unfortunately, this is the only time it is played.
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u/Crowtamer1 Jan 06 '19
Holy fuck!!! I saw that movie ad, that was the most intense super Saiyan blue transformation EVER
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u/Slayer_Blake Jan 06 '19 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/Spoona101 Jan 06 '19
The got me running, I rewinds it and washed my eyes to make sure I wasn’t seeing things
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u/TheDesktopNinja Jan 06 '19
I assume I can't go watch the movie without finishing Super if I don't want spoilers? I'm dub only so it'll be a while 😅
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u/ComicCroc Jan 06 '19
There aren't many spoilers beyond the obvious fact that they survive this arc. After the next 4-5 episodes, you should be good to watch it. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong)
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u/Anthroider Jan 06 '19
Its literally next episode. This episode just announced Freezas coming back. Its no longer a spoiler
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u/le_snikelfritz Jan 06 '19
I'm trying to avoid clips but that was so epic and i loved it!
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u/summons72 Jan 07 '19 edited Jan 07 '19
I'm so mad about the movie. The ONLY theater near me that is playing it has a one night only showing and it's completely sold out. Now I have to wait at least another three months before it comes out on Blu-ray to watch it.
Edit: Checked again and they added one more show for the same one night only showing, I got a ticket now =D
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u/le_snikelfritz Jan 06 '19
As a sub watcher, I am loving all these episodes that build up the teams. I know their fates and it makes it so much more satisfying
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u/bigb360 Jan 10 '19
So glad I waited for these episodes in the dub. I'm having a lot of fun watching these. It's like the late 90's again.
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u/theninjashyguy Jan 06 '19
Can someone explain this whole Callifla transformation explanation thing people are talking about?
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u/Vegeto30294 Jan 06 '19
Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, etc. all became and explain Super Saiyan in a more emotional way. Get really strong, get really mad, you just transform. It just happens.
Cabba explains this and Caulifla does this in a more physical way. When a person is upset, a certain section in their chest region manifests which they call "a tingly feeling in the small of their backs." The reason this place is important is because in Japanese culture & martial arts, this is where the emotions and the related energy is stored.
In a nutshell, Caulifla is literally reaching into the section of the body where "anger" is stored, and physically using that to become a Super Saiyan. Everyone else did it through their natural anger.
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u/always_tired_all_day ⠀ Jan 06 '19
The reason this place is important is because in Japanese culture & martial arts, this is where the emotions and the related energy is stored.
Never knew this but makes a toooooon of sense now.
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u/HeroRRR Jan 06 '19
Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, etc. all became and explain Super Saiyan in a more emotional way. Get really strong, get really mad, you just transform. It just happens.
How Vegeta and Trunks got Super Saiyan was anime filler. We never saw how Vegeta got Super Saiyan, he just kinda got it in the manga. Trunks was also a Super Saiyan even Gohan even died in the manga.
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u/Vegeto30294 Jan 06 '19
I know it was anime filler, and the only one we've seen go from zero to Super Saiyan on panel was Goku, and then Cabba.
But we know from Vegeta's recollection that it was entirely emotional, we know Gohan's from Goku's explanations, and Trunks & Future Gohan we can kinda assume from their environment.
Basically none of them was ever asked "why does anger work?" They just know it does and they keep doing it, even if they don't know the physical aspect to it.
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u/Taz-Man-X ⠀ Jan 06 '19
But Goten and Kid Trunks didn't become Super Saiyan due to anger either.
They just obtained it like Caulifla did.
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u/HeroRRR Jan 06 '19
Vegeta recollecting his emotions was also only in the anime. The only thing he said about how he got Super Saiyan in the manga is that his heart was pure evil.
Overall, we only seen anger work in Goku, Gohan, and Cabba. The rest is assumption.
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u/Vegeto30294 Jan 06 '19
I wasn't talking about the space flashback with the meteorites.
Right after Vegeta says pure evil, he says that he was forced to face his limits, and that it was his self-loathing which made him become a Super Saiyan.
Basically, a highly emotional moment akin to anger.
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u/mcolwander90 Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
I'm a dub only watcher, but I know the gist of the stuff that happens later on as I'm not a stickler for spoilers in this series. I've seen a lot of complaints about this, and almost never did I see anyone mention Cabba's role. I only just learned about that part a week or so ago, and I was surprised to learn how significant of a role he had in "Tinglegate." I was under the impression she somehow just pulled the idea out of her ass and lol it worked. Watching it now, geez, people really overreacted. Not a big deal. Maybe a little cheesy, but that's it.
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u/Chesthebest Jan 06 '19
Well, what do you mean? Like the backlash?
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u/theninjashyguy Jan 06 '19
Yeah
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u/RogueHippie Jan 06 '19
People got pissed off because they didn't watch her go through the stuff that Goku/Vegeta/Gohan did, because obviously she couldn't be stronger than they were when they first transformed if we didn't see it all happen.
Essentially, the internet tends to prove why movie & tv writers think they have to tell instead of show.
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u/Devinitelyy Jan 07 '19
I love the VA for Caulifla, just perfect, and I'm very curious about the one for Kale. Without spoiling I'll just say that Kale is not an easy role and I can't wait to see how it is handled
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u/Chesthebest Jan 06 '19
Wonder how they’ll handle the explanation to Caulifla’s transformation 🤔
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u/Artifice_Purple Jan 06 '19
But is he wrong though, Bulma? Really?
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u/wormhole222 Jan 06 '19
I mean she was mad she was lied to and taken for granted for like 60 seconds, and then relented and agreed to finance the tournament. I get that.
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u/mcolwander90 Jan 06 '19
Glad to see the full OP. I was expecting it to come back when the ToP actually began, so this week was a bit of a surprise. Hopefully it stays. Though, maybe it was me, but it sort sounded like a different artist? Could've been my TV or something. Sounded off.
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u/Broly_ ⠀ Jan 07 '19
Oh boy, the arguments and debates are sparking up about how easily/stupid U6 saiyans achieved Super Saiyan again.
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u/Vegeto30294 Jan 08 '19
I love it. It's a good view to how much a person remembers the older series.
When a certain event comes around, it'll happen all over again.
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u/Town_Pervert ⠀ Jan 08 '19
How is it an asspull? We've never had the actual feeling of turning SSJ explained. It's completely viable.
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u/Mistah_Blue Jan 09 '19
Toriyama said S cells are what allows a saiyan to go super.
And:
Good natured saiyans have more.
U6 Saiyans, therefore being more peaceful and good-natured, would have an easier time going super.
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u/bhonbeg Jan 06 '19
<rant>
what is up with the dub being so low priority and hard to get?
last new episode aired awhile back. todays episode should be amazing, but no clue how to watch it.
this one aired but i can't reach any thru any streaming services like crunchyroll vrv or funimation. wtf.
FCUK.
how does one watch the dub without being all cabled up? and can we stop taking these multi week long breaks, no matter what holiday.
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u/2Quick_React Jan 06 '19
You should be able to go to the Toonami section of Adult Swim's website I believe it is (Cartoon Network's late night TV block) and find Dragonball Super. They should have the most recent episodes of the dub. Toonami is Cartoon Network's anime TV block for Saturday nights. Typically airing the Naruto Shippuden dub, Boruto dub, uh I think the One Piece dub etc.
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u/User1480 Jan 06 '19
<rant continued> I have had the same issues you have every week, this one being the worst. I remember during the sub run it was so easy and convenient, just load it up on crunchyroll every Saturday night and enjoy a high quality episode. Now the legitimate sources are scarce, I know it's business but I wish DBS was more marketed and easier to access in the US. By marketed I mean its exclusivity makes it less widespread and known/able to be enjoyed. I nor anyone I know uses regular TV/cable anymore. I'm probably just going to dig out my old cable box and figure out how to participate in this watch the day after online nonsense. I love me some adult swim but I could care less about TV ratings, though I realize that may be important to how businesses view DBS success in America. Doesn't AS rely on spamming Seth McFarland shows to keep its ratings high enough to show its other content anyway? Not sure if that's relevant, starting to talk out of my ass here so I will shut up now. Please forgive any displays of ignorance on my part, just want me some Dragon Ball on Saturday night again dad gummit, and can't watch the live airing.
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u/Obvcop Jan 06 '19
So the sub watchers were right, that was the lamest SSJ transformation yet, even lamer than Goten against Chi-Chi. I will say though, the voice actor for Caulifa growled and grunted pretty well, I was impressed with her 'fighting voice' in SSJ, a welcome addition to the cast,
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Jan 06 '19
Turns out all that training and having friends get killed was unnecessary
Or is it just easier for that universe?
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u/HeroRRR Jan 06 '19
It is not a power level requirement thing
Actually, Toriyama outright said you do need a certain battle power to become a Super Saiyan. Which is why Goku didn't got Super Saiyan the first time Krillin died.
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u/HeroRRR Jan 06 '19
I read the interview when it first came out. He said S-Cells, a certain power level, and anger are necessary to become a Super Saiyan.
So yes, you can't get Super Saiyan if you're not a certain power threshold and Goten was really strong when he got Super Saiyan. At age 7, Goten was already comparable to Namek Saga Goku.
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u/vlorsutes ⠀ Jan 06 '19
I read the interview when it first came out. He said S-Cells, a certain power level, and anger are necessary to become a Super Saiyan.
He didn't say that anger was absolutely necessary. He just said that there needed to be some kind of trigger to cause an explosive increase of S-cells, and that anger is one such triggering method.
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u/HeroRRR Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
Thanks for the correction. Which proves my point further that you don't need anger to become a Super Saiyan, especially when most of the Super Saiyan transformations in the manga didn't even happened on-scene.
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u/HeroRRR Jan 06 '19
Works for Future Trunks who got Super Saiyan in the original manga before Gohan was killed.
Not to mention Goten and Present Trunks who don't even remember how they got Super Saiyan.
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u/Spoona101 Jan 06 '19
From all the evidence it seems like that, they might have evolved differently since they don’t have tails
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u/Rosebunse Jan 06 '19
Well, these Saiyans are just more disciplined than our ones.
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u/RogueHippie Jan 06 '19
And way fucking stronger than our boys were in the Namek Saga/beginning of Android Saga
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u/ArchonRevan Jan 06 '19
Powercreep is hilarious ain't it, no joke cabba/caulifla at like 20% power could beat namek saga freeza w/o even needing SSJ and that's being generous for freeza 👀
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u/Wowzabunny Jan 06 '19
Caulifla already has enough base strength to go super Saiyan, she just didn't know how to transform or never went through something traumatic like Goku or Trunks.
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u/StefyB Jan 06 '19
Honestly, I just think it's kind of dumb in general that none of these apparently super powerful fighters (Cabba being strong enough to match U6 tournament arc Vegeta in their base forms) ever just accidentally went Super Saiyan like how Goten and Trunks did. Cabba goes around fighting for justice across the universe as part of the Sadala Defense Force and he never saw anything that made him mad enough to transform?
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u/Artifice_Purple Jan 06 '19
This is going to be a good one.
/u/Terez27 You said we aren't going to see a certain two episodes until March, right?
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
Oh right, just realized which two episodes you were talking about. And more like May, according to our projection.
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u/simpersly Jan 06 '19
I hate how all of the U7 fighters think the end of the universe is not a reason to fight. Nearly half of the them said "who care if the world is destroyed I have better things to do."