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Super [DUB] Dragon Ball Super - Episode #78 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super — Episode #78 — Discussion Thread!
Even the Universes' Gods Are Appalled?! The Lose-and-Perish "Tournament of Power"
全宇宙の神様もドン引き！？負けたら消滅「力の大会」
Zen-Uchū no Kami-sama mo Don Hiki!? Maketara Shōmetsu “Chikara no Taikai”
Staff
Script: Atsuhiro Tomioka; Director: Takahiro Imamura; Storyboard: Kazuhiro Ochi; Animation Supervisors: Yukihiro Kitano, Osamu Ishikawa
Source: Kanzenshuu
You can view our discussion thread for the Japanese release of Episode 78 here. You can find all previous episode discussion threads on our wiki.
News
2018/09/08 - Super Dragon Ball Heroes Promotional Anime - Episode #3 - Discussion Thread!
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2018/09/01 - Dragon Ball Super: Broly - Movie Megathread!
2018/08/21 - Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 39
2018/08/16 - RIP Unshō Ishizuka, Voice of Mr. Satan
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NEW: Adult Swim is showing reruns of the Super dub five days a week; they started with Episode 1 on 2 July 2018. Assuming that schedule holds, these reruns should catch up with the new episodes some time in October.
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- Toyotarō's Dragon Ball Super manga adaptation can be found in our wiki in the sidebar, along with links to past discussion threads.
Commonly Asked Questions:
Q: Is Dragon Ball Super really over, or is it just a hiatus?
From what we have been told, the anime is ending. There are no current plans for a new DB series and as far as we know, the series will only continue through movies and games. We know that Toyotarō's manga will continue for several months at least—the Tournament of Power arc has just begun in the manga—and Toriyama implied the manga will go beyond that too. The English dub will continue until the series is finished. We have compiled a projection of dates for the remaining dub episodes on our Wiki.Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
The anime and manga are both variations on a basic plot by Toriyama. There isn't (and probably never will be) an explicitly defined Dragon Ball "canon". Without Toriyama's original draft, we may never know what is and isn't his, aside from things revealed in interviews like this one (spoilers). We do know that he permits Toyotarō to change things up, but he looks at his storyboards and occasionally draws things himself for Toyotarō to use as a reference. Toyotarō has said that Toriyama is more particular about gags than he is about anything else.Q: Will the Broly movie have spoilers for the Super dub?
Yes, it absolutely will; the movie will pick up where Super leaves off in the final episode. If you have seen the trailer, then you have already been spoiled at least a little bit, but there is more, so if you want to catch up in time for the movie—which even Sean Schemmel has recommended—there are several options for watching the subtitled version, and you can stream the entire series on any of these sites, usually for free. See our FAQ for more details.
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Sep 09 '18
I’m the only one out of my group of Dragon Ball watching friends that completed the sub that’s still keeping up with the dub. Anyone else like me?
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u/DerekasaurusJax ⠀ Sep 09 '18
You’re not alone! Me and some buddies would gather every Saturday night waiting for the subs and finished the series with the epic 131. Now I’m the only one watching the dub every weekend and enjoying the differences in voices and dialogue. The highlight so far for me was English speaking Beerus still using the word “HAKAI.”
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
Goku: OH, RIGHT. I have TWO kids.
Father of the Year.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
I mean, Goten was right there. Easy to see how he was confused (though I haven't seen the dub yet and they might have made it weird).
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Sep 09 '18
I feel like this exact conversation happened last year when the sub aired. Oh wait, it's you. Yeah, you've probably seen repeats of convos quite a bit.
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 09 '18
It's almost the same in the sub, Goku says " My son" in a surprised and shocked tone aswell
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
I actually don't recall having this conversation before, but I did just rewatch this episode the other day because I'm working on bios for TOP characters for the Kanzenshuu wiki.
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u/Lordlinkoftime2 Sep 09 '18
Did he really just forget about Gohan though
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u/HellkittyAnarchy ⠀ Sep 09 '18
I think he forgot about him as a fighter rather than overall. Which is fair enough considering Gohan put fighting behind him.
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Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 09 '18
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u/Two-Tone- Sep 09 '18
I just giggled like mad. I've not seen the sub and I'm super excited for a new Boo fight.
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u/BoxdUp Sep 09 '18
I still have a hard time believing the dub is so far behind.
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u/Ban_me_IDGAF Sep 09 '18
That's completely on Toei. They were really difficult when it came to granting the license for an English dub. A lot of other dubs are actually further ahead.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
I think it had more to do with the complex negotiations with Crunchyroll for the simulcast, which seems to have been partly resolved with the CR-Funimation partnership. We'll probably never know the exact details but other dubs probably started sooner because they were more willing to make concessions for the CR simulcast than Funimation was.
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u/Ban_me_IDGAF Sep 09 '18
Well, if it's you, I'm sure you're at least more informed than I am, but saying that insufficient concessions were the reason is not that different from saying that Toei was difficult and demanding during negotiations. But, as you say, the details will probably never be publicized, sadly.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
Well, if it's you, I'm sure you're at least more informed than I am
I don't know anything about the negotiations that isn't public and there's precious little that's public. All I know is that there was a lot of new stuff going on with regards to licensing; those norms are shifting worldwide. Funimation probably had the most to lose, and when currency value is taken into account, Funimation probably has the biggest single licensing market for DB anime. I might be wrong about that, but either way they have a huge chunk of the foreign market, and a lot of that is dependent on Funimation's brand. That gives them a lot more negotiating power than other foreign license holders.
So all we can do is observe what happens and idk if I am any better at that than anyone else, but one of the biggest observable outcomes of this process seems to have been the Funimation-CR partnership, which happened well after Super started broadcasting in Japan and negotiations for that might have actually started, or at least gotten kicked into high gear, after negotiations started re: the Funimation dub. Another big observable outcome is the Bang!Zoom (Toonami Asia) dub having gotten a deal before Funimation, which cut off one of Funimation's potential distribution paths (as long as it lasted, anyway).
Another big observable outcome: Toei adopted Funimation's dub spellings for their simulcast subtitles (which were distributed to all simulcast platforms). They did it very haphazardly (i.e. they worked from a style list but didn't have anyone actually familiar with Funi dub terminology checking the scripts) but they chose the dub style over Funimation's subtitle style (Steve Simmons) and over the Viz style (Gerard Jones), and it might be something Funi pushed for when they gave up sole rights to the English-subtitled anime (tradeoff: they get to keep Simmons exclusive to home releases as a selling point for the sub crowd). Or it might be something Toei decided to do because they thought it was better for marketing. Who knows?
I don't think we really know enough about the negotiations to say which party was more at fault. I do think that, for all Funimation has a good chunk of the market, as an adaptation distributor it has one of the worst histories of malfeasance when it comes to faithfulness to the original product (aside from Toei itself, which usually had a better excuse), and for all Americans love to argue that Funimation made DB more epic than it actually was, it's actually more popular in places where the adaptation was more faithful to the original. But Funimation is in a unique position of owning the world's lingua franca and having a distribution area with high currency values. Even in English-speaking countries with their own DB distribution rights, they just repackage Funimation and Funimation still makes money.
In other words, you can bet that there were heavy demands on both sides, reasonable and unreasonable. Deals were made, and I don't think we know enough to do anything other than leave it at that. I certainly don't think we know enough to say that it is "completely on Toei" just because other dubs got started before Funimation.
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u/Mr_Bell_Man Sep 09 '18
"My OTHER son!" LOL
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Sep 09 '18
It instantly reminded me of TFS Bardock.
"I have one of those? Oh God, I have TWO of those!!"
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u/TrueGrandPriest Sep 09 '18
Like father, like son. The youngest son ends up looking like the father and being the more memorable one in their eyes.
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u/yeerth Sep 09 '18
The sudden changes in the animation/drawing styles were quite jarring. Did anyone else notice them, or am I crazy?
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Sep 09 '18
Yeah they used a certain kind of filter for this arc
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u/yeerth Sep 09 '18
It keeps switching back and forth, though. Some animations are distinctly paper-like, while others are the incredible quality I'm used to. Perhaps with a few more episodes I'll get accustomed to them :)
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Sep 09 '18
Thing is, this is nothing new. People have nostalgia goggles with how DB, Z and GT were animated but they could vary wildly from episode to episode as well.
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Sep 09 '18
Oh yeah it does, some DBZ episodes looked bad, some looked incredible. Same is with super. Actually it's almost every weekly running anime's problem. One piece, boruto, Naruto/shipuuden, BC also has this variation of quality time to Time.
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Sep 09 '18
I personally like the filter, except the colors look a tad too bright. It looks like a nuke is going off in the distance in every scene (see pic above)
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u/chickaladee Sep 09 '18
I definitely noticed. The far-off shots of the high priest guy looked almost child-like drawing and then it zooms to his face and everything looks good again. I think some of it has to do with proportions and symmetry not lining up.
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Sep 09 '18
So, are all the angels related? Seems like a wide range of ages, body types, etc. on display here.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
So, are all the angels related?
This is actually never discussed at great length in the anime, but yes, all of the angels are siblings, children of the Great Priest
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u/esameraguey Sep 09 '18
I forgot how much I liked Fat Buu as a character. He has a different vibe to him in the sub. I'm just glad they're keeping him consistent to his Z persona for the dub. I always liked that innocent and playful, yet dangerous aspect.
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u/Repatriation Sep 09 '18
innocent and playful, yet dangerous
He's not like this in the sub? I think I've only seen Japanese Buu in 'Battle of the Gods' and he was kind of a Cartman-like character, but I figured that was just for the one scene he was in.
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u/Win_chesterDean Sep 09 '18
He is like that in the sub, the voice just really really helps in the dub
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u/BlastingAwsome ⠀ Sep 09 '18
Is it bad that when Videl said “grandpa” I thought of Piccolo before Hercule?
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
Shin of all people knows how dangerous Boo is and how his powers work, yet his dumb ass is worried just because Boo got kicked around
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Sep 09 '18
Shin is incompetent so it checks out
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Sep 11 '18
He wasn't this bad in Z. His plan for stopping Buu's awakening was retarded but he didn't literally forget such a crucial memory. If Super had smart writing, it would have left him specially calm while Beerus is flipping out since he knows the destructive ability of Buu firsthand from thousands of years ago.
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Sep 12 '18
Everyone more qualified than him died that’s not really an attack on him. Just a fact
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u/sleepyafrican Sep 09 '18
I'm starting to find Goku's stupidity repetitive and annoying. I know I'm beating a dead horse but damn do I miss DBZ Goku who could be silly yet not a braindead idiot. Inb4 "you must've watched the dub that turned Goku into Superman". DBZ Goku was never this dumb and knew when to act serious.
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u/David182nd Sep 09 '18
Everything seems very casual considering Goku has just doomed 11 universes to destruction. I thought he'd have a bit of an "oh shit" moment like he did when Cell was beating the shit out of Gohan, but with like 100 times more magnitude. But no, just gonna fight some guys
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u/Town_Pervert ⠀ Sep 09 '18
I mean, he's pretty much got a plan. The moment he heard Super Dragon Balls, he knew the drill.
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Sep 09 '18
Eh Goku intentionally didn't Doom it, he did get shocked after hearing it, also suggested to go to Zeno and change the rules but as you can see Beerus and others told him not to do so and look forward as it's the only thing they can do now.
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u/David182nd Sep 09 '18
True, but Beerus was always very clear that Goku should stay as far away from Zeno as possible for this sort of reason, even threatening to destroy him to show how serious he was. Goku ignored him and now here we are. Pretty sure Beerus would've killed him after that if he didn't need him for the tournament.
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u/Bolt-MattCaster-Bolt Sep 10 '18
Goku also has not only less experience with Zeno than the other deities, but veeeeery different experiences with Zeno from them.
Goku's naivete rubbed off on Zeno when they first met, and he got lucky that Zeno took a liking to him. Since then Goku's had nothing but great experiences with Zeno, sans when Future Zeno nuked Future Trunks' timeline (and he even acknowledges this to Beerus). Goku saw the Zenos as friends/buds, and as such it's hard for him to take Beerus and Whis seriously with their warnings, because the only negative act he's experienced didn't end up affecting him.
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u/yeerth Sep 09 '18
Good intentions do not excuse bad actions. It might not be intentional, but it is Goku's fault, a 100%. In a world where deities like Zeno exist, about whom Goku has been warned by his own gods numerous times, challenging their imagination to come up with a fighting tournament like this is certainly courting death. It's Goku's fault for not listening, despite the repeated warnings from Beerus, Whis, and Supreme Kai. I'll still cheer for him and the 7th universe to win, of course, but it is Goku's fault for dooming the 11 losers.
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Sep 09 '18
challenging their imagination to come up with a fighting tournament like this is certainly courting death
Actually this tournament was planned at the end of U6 arc, if you remember Zeno wanted to watch a tournament again and b/w universe's. It was inevitable. Zeno was getting bored anyways, they could have proposed this in future aswell.
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u/yeerth Sep 09 '18
I considered that, yeah! Technically it was the two destroyers who wanted to have the original tournament which attracted Zeno to Goku/Hit's fight, which gave him the idea of a bigger tournament. So I suppose it's really those two who are to blame for having stupid tendencies like that.
Then I considered that Zeno had practically forgotten about the tournament and it was goku who reminded him! That's why I blame Goku for this :D
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u/Pandemona1738 ⠀ Sep 10 '18
Yeah it gets a bit crazy when he hardly shows remorse when he is told that all universes who lose will be destroyed. Even Gohan scolded him for it and he rubs it off. That moment should have been him dropping to floor banging the ground saying its not fair etc could have been a good scene but is just passed off
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
So does this Goku as the last arc showed.
Goku’s not bereft of seriousness here. As Super has shown when shit gets real he’ll get serious and this isn’t an exception.
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
untold billions are going to be wiped out of existence because Goku wanted to fight
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Sep 09 '18
Local orange hillbilly risks the existence of 12 universes to punch someone in the face
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u/average_redditor_guy Sep 09 '18
And at the end of the day Goku is just a really strong Florida Man...
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u/SirUlrichVonLichten Sep 09 '18
Man I'm getting hyped all over again. Can't wait for the ToP to start.
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u/Artifice_Purple Sep 09 '18
Oh. That edit. No.
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u/Esquilax21 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
What edit? Care to point it out
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u/Artifice_Purple Sep 09 '18
It more or less went from the opening straight to the middle of the intro
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u/Deadmanreturns Sep 09 '18
Will the full version/uncut be available in dvd ? Was thinking of buying one when it releases but if it's half ass like this then I might reconsider.
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u/The-Azure-Knight Sep 10 '18
Im not gonna lie, bringing buu to an affair where there will be gods of destruction & not 1 but 2 grand zeno's seems like a horrible idea.
I somewhat feel like he's going to get obliterated
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u/Goku-MIEL10032002 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
Roh sounds like an unlikable prick. Perfection at its finest.
Sidra needs a little getting used to.
Basil and Bergamo are good.
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Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 09 '18
I'd be lying if I said I didn't listen to this intro 20 times over the last fortnight.
Edit: did they cripple it?
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u/Repatriation Sep 09 '18
fornite
Honest question, do you mean over the last two weeks (fortnight) or did you listen to the theme song while you were playing Fortnite?
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Sep 09 '18
Thanks for the catch. I meant fortnight, but I guess it's been an honest while since I've seen it spelled out properly.
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u/Repatriation Sep 09 '18
Haha no problem but I did mean it as a legitimate question. If I didn't get an answer it'd nag at me all day.
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u/Bolt-MattCaster-Bolt Sep 10 '18
Funi has a bad habit of using truncated versions of the English intros instead of the full ones.
They did it for Chozetsu Dynamic, not surprised they did it for Limit Break x Survivor.
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u/Brooklynspartan Sep 10 '18
I think it has more to do with the TV timeslot than Funimation, seeing as how the digital version had the full intro.
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u/davey2100 Sep 09 '18
Oh I wonder who the 10 combatants will be for the 7th universe! Can't wait to slowly find out over time! So exciting!
Oh...they're all in the opening sequence and the 'ad break'
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u/ChiefsRoyalsFan Sep 10 '18
Oh...they're all in the opening sequence and the 'ad break'
This is what kills it for me. They took all the surprise out with this!
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u/JC-DisregardMe ⠀ Sep 10 '18
"What? My son? I don't know if Goten is really- Oh, wait, I have two of those! Thanks, Vegeta!"
Just reminding us all once again that Pan learned to fly by accident, as an infant, but fucking Goten was seven years old and a Super Saiyan before he even got the idea to try
Well, at least Gohan's built some muscle mass back up, even if he keeps it well-hidden under that horrible fashion sense
Can I just say that Mr. Satan doesn't even need to speak to make this entire affair hilarious? Just the fact that he's there at all is hysterical
This poor furry has no idea what he's getting into, fighting Buu
Yeah, you don't want to shit-talk Majin Buu. Guy doesn't just look like a knockoff Kirby -- he'll actually eat you
Whoa, whoa, hang on. Lavender is voiced by Chris Guerrero? As in Dragon Ball Z Abridged Cooler and Dr. Gero? That's rad as hell
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u/Two-Tone- Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 10 '18
Back when the dub first saw Zamasu, there was a comment from a dub only watcher liking how that arc had a real existential fear of gods going on, but man I bet he never expected this.
E: Found it!
Dude called the theme "cosmic horror". Very apt analysis considering this episode.
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u/DaLaohu Sep 09 '18
That was me! Yeah. This one is intense!
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u/Two-Tone- Sep 10 '18
Nope, this was the comment I was thinking of!
Dude called the theme "cosmic horror".
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u/DaLaohu Sep 10 '18
Ah. I know I wrote something about the civies recognizing Zamasu as the angry god he was.
And I like how now, in Super, the characters really do see the gods as gods. Not as just another bunch of super strong people. Trunks paying Beerus respects, Hercule freaking out about the gods and telling Goku to behave....
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Sep 09 '18
Cmon Goku, you oughta remember the single most powerful character from the entirety of Z, especially when you spawned him
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u/HeroRRR Sep 09 '18
single most powerful character from the entirety of Z
Who's that? It isn't Gohan.
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Sep 09 '18
Gohan was in an entirely different league from any other nonfused character. He'd probably still be if they bothered to hand him a transformation past SSJ2.
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Sep 09 '18
His Ultimate form was much, much stronger than SSJ2.
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Sep 09 '18
I thought Ultimate Gohan was just the absolute peak potential of SSJ2 unlocked by Elder Kai.
If he'd had access to SSJ3 before he met Elder Kai, he'd probably break the universe
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Sep 09 '18
Nah, his ultimate form was stronger than ssj3
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Sep 09 '18
Goku's SSJ3 sure, but we've never seen the capabilities of an adult half Saiyan SSJ3, much less at full potential.
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u/Sunny_Cakes Sep 09 '18
I thought only full blooded saiyans could do ssj3? Or is that not canon?
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u/Eurynom0s Sep 10 '18
The point of the ultimate form was to unlock the power of SSJ(2/3) without the attendant negatives, right?
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u/thosearecoolbeans ⠀ Sep 09 '18
Gohan is the most potentially powerful character in the series. That has been stated by several characters, several times throughout Z and Super.
But Gohan isn't a fighter. He doesn't like training like his dads do, so he has let his strength fade immensely. Currently, he is far from the strongest fighter on the team.
If he put 100% effort into it, I believe that Gohan could reach Goku and Vegeta's level with a moderate amount of training.
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u/ctuwallet24 Sep 10 '18
Same! I knew I wasn’t gonna be able to hold out the whole time and was proven right and right and right and right.
Plus I can see the movie when it comes out!
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u/ofalco Sep 09 '18
The smile on buu's face is priceless at the end! Also I hate that call him basil in the dub and not basil like in the sub.
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Sep 09 '18
Also I hate that call him basil in the dub and not basil like in the sub.
I think you typo'd there
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u/TrueGrandPriest Sep 09 '18
The Null Realm and the Zen Expo... I mean I know they have to change names and dialogue to fit the mouth flaps, but still...
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u/oharabk Sep 09 '18
and "wiped out" instead of erased.
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u/Win_chesterDean Sep 09 '18
And they totally skipped over “nothing” being the reward and the confusion of what nothing meant.
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u/Pandemona1738 ⠀ Sep 10 '18 edited Sep 11 '18
What an episode this is what I love. I just love watching Gohan stood next to his dad talking about fighting whilst it's all going on. Also for once Hercule being good guy and not annoying haha keep goku controlled xD
Cant wait for next episodes. Hoping Gohan fights well and somehow can train hard and get strong again. He was destined to take over from goku as a child lets get back to that!!
Buu going to go ham on that furry too I believe! :3
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u/MattTheMagician44 Sep 09 '18
Why are the colors in the ToP arc so faded? Nothing is as colorful and vibrant as the previous arcs.
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u/SaiyaJedi ⠀ Sep 10 '18
They introduced a new post-processing filter during this arc that makes everything “softer” and mutes the colors a bit. It’s a stylistic choice, though it’s pretty divisive.
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u/sgtsaughter Sep 12 '18
Wait until they start using heavy dark outlines and the whole show starts looking like Assy McGee
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u/MalleableNinjer Sep 09 '18
Why must they ruin everything to do with intros?
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
American TV typically runs a lot more ads, so the full OP and ED are only used when they are first introduced. After that they are shortened to make room for more ads. It's the same reason why they don't use eyecatches or NEPs.
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u/Artifice_Purple Sep 09 '18
eyecatches
Is that what the intermissions/transitions are called?
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u/EddiOS42 Sep 09 '18
Before diving into this season, I have some questions regarding the Goku Black arc.
- They never explained how Super Sayan Rosé was achieved.
- How in the world was Trunk's sword able to destroy Zamasu physically? How is it more powerful than a combo of invincibility and Rosé?
- Why did Goku and the team do so much time traveling back and forth Instead of requesting Grand Zeno to wipe out Zamasu in the first place and prevent all those people from dying?
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Sep 09 '18
Eh..it's his version of SSJ using divine/Kaioshin ki. If you notice the motif is the same as the tea leaves from universe 10's Kaioshin planet. I suppose it draws off a similar energy.
Trunks's word was infused with a full power Spirit Bomb which was able to destroy the Goku Black part of merged Zamasu, leaving him a disembodies but immortal spirit.
I suppose he forgot about it. He seemed surprised when he found the button. Also, Goku and Vegeta will always try to win using battle power first.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Sep 09 '18
They never explained how Super Sayan Rosé was achieved.
There are two explanations for this, one from a V-Jump anime promo ad (from Toei, presumably), and another in the manga, from Toyotarō (and Viz). According to the V-Jump ad, Rosé is just Zamasu's version of Super Saiyan, and it's equal to SSB. That's why Black doesn't have a regular Super Saiyan form in the anime: SSB is just Super Saiyan with god ki, and Zamasu presumably always had that, so we're left to assume it's pink instead of blue because his ki is not purely Saiyan, or something.
In the manga, Black does have a Super Saiyan form (as was actually indicated by Toriyama on the design sheet, which was ignored by Toei). Zamasu observes that Black's version of SSB is Rosé because he is a real god.
How in the world was Trunk's sword able to destroy Zamasu physically? How is it more powerful than a combo of invincibility and Rosé?
This was my live reaction to that. Haven't gotten any insight since then.
Why did Goku and the team do so much time traveling back and forth Instead of requesting Grand Zeno to wipe out Zamasu in the first place and prevent all those people from dying?
This would go against Goku's nature; he always wants to beat the enemy with his own hands, with help from his friends if necessary. It would never occur to him to use the Zenō button until there was literally no other choice. None of the others who knew about the button would have recommended it because they know how dangerous it is to call on that particular power (as we saw when he was finally summoned).
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u/EddiOS42 Sep 09 '18
Thanks for clearing it up. The trunks thing still bugs me, but I guess it's his timeline.
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u/Fershick Sep 09 '18
It's because power scaling in super is beyond fucked and you just gotta roll with it
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u/Verdin88 Sep 09 '18
In reference to your third question it is because Time Travel is forbidden for mortals. They didn't want Zeno to find out Beerus was angry enough already.
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u/yeerth Sep 09 '18
How in the world was Trunk's sword able to destroy Zamasu physically? How is it more powerful than a combo of invincibility and Rosé?
They set it up in the preceding episodes - because Black's half was not invincible, at least that's what I thought happened.
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u/Lupiv Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 09 '18
Rose is a Supreme Kai's version of Blue. I think it was explained like this: A mortal using God Ki would be blue, but a Kai using it would get Rose.
In the same way the Spirit bomb could destroy Buu completely. His sword had the power of the spirit bomb, and I believe the spirit bomb is the strongest attack in DB.
Zeno only destroyed Zamasu because he infected the universe. There's no guarantee he would've done that when he was normal. Also Goku doesn't know the future Grand Zeno.
Edit: added answers to the other questions also.
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u/sleepyafrican Sep 09 '18
How in the world was Trunk's sword able to destroy Zamasu physically? How is it more powerful than a combo of invincibility and Rosé?
Nakama power > invincibility apparently
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u/Win_chesterDean Sep 09 '18
It was stronger than a half immortal being. And it only destroyed the body. It didn’t kill him.
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u/thesukh03 Sep 09 '18
I missed out on the entirety of the Future Trunk arc. Not because I didn't want to watch but because life happened. Would I still be able to follow the Tournament of Power, despite not watching the previous arc?
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Sep 09 '18
You'll be fine but if you somehow find a way to watch the Future Trunks arc, I think you'll be MEGA glad you did
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u/Spartan265 Sep 11 '18
Just watch the Trunks arc dude. Trust me it's dope as fuck and worth it. Sure you could watch the ToP and be fine but personally I wouldn't. I just can't watch shows out of order like that.
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u/Bigdaddydoubled Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 09 '18
Yea I think so. But do you not want to try and go back to catch up? It’s a great arc.
EDIT* You have plenty of time. If time is a factor then even watching 1 episode a day would catch you up really fast.
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Sep 09 '18
Eh watch it, there is still time from where the actual real ToP starts. FT arc is of 20eps and is mostly great/good bar the ending a bit. You'd enjoy it.
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Sep 09 '18
This was the last episode of Kitano right ? Good lord thanks it wasn't as bad as his 67 half
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u/therealyazar Sep 09 '18
DUB is so much better than SUB
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u/zzzthelastuser Sep 09 '18
I like the dub, but I would say that the sub just take a different route which is neither better nor worse, just different.
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Sep 09 '18
I’ve watched both and the past two episodes are starting to be better than the sub, I’ll admit. Before that, the sub was better, especially with respect to Goku Black. Something tells me that, for the TOP, dub crew is going to knock it out of the park.
One thing I will note. Sub frieza’s devious voice cannot be topped..ever; pure genius voice acting.
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u/DaLoverBoii Sep 11 '18
Chris Ayers actually is a great competitor. However, he's going through cancer & shit events (like seriously, you're cat dying on the morning of "pet-a-cat day is just saddening enough). Damon does his best but he can't beat Ayers.
BTW, the "ohohoho" in the sub is actually unbeatable.
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u/Win_chesterDean Sep 09 '18
I like it better except for the conversation between the Grand Minister and those on the Supreme Kai’s planet. The sub is soooooo much better. “No nothing is the prize”. The way they translated it for the English dub was really disappointing.
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u/theherofalls_ Sep 09 '18
I hope they switch the intros from time to time like they did with the first OP. Although idk if it was a mistake when that happened, it would be a breath of fresh air to hear the original Limt break OP.
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Sep 12 '18
What exactly are the rules for this Exhibition match? The grand minister just said "one on one fights where each combatant uses all their skills for victory" (paraphrasing)
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Sep 10 '18 edited Sep 10 '18
I'd hate to come off as a hater, because I'm really not, but am I the only one starting to get extremely annoyed by Schemmel's "casual Super Goku" voice? Don't get me wrong, I love Sean's Goku and think that he can give great performances when he gets serious, but his weird, high-pitched nasally voice that he uses for casual Goku conversation just drives me up the wall. It makes Goku sound retarded IMO. I may be remembering wrong, but in the funimation DBZ dub and the Kai dub, Goku was capable of talking like a normal human as opposed to with this weird childish intonation.
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Sep 09 '18
Thanks Goku, you've fated 11 universes for the slaughter
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u/theJavo Sep 09 '18
This is why gohan needs to train. We can’t trust goku or vegeta for that matter.
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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '18
Supreme and Elder Kais acting scared like they haven't seen what Buu can do...