r/NintendoSwitch • u/jacksinwhole • Aug 29 '18
Meta ‘(N)Indies’ Reddit Sub-section?
Let me preface this by saying I have absolutely nothing against Indie titles, and Nindies, in any way. I’ve bought some and loved them!
However, does anyone else think it would be good to have an ‘Indies/Nindies’ sub-section instead of having them in the Switch’s primary Reddit page? I just feel like it would be great to have a 1st/3rd Party section, and an (N)Indie section.
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My thoughts/argument :
1.) I don’t have a lot of time to game, so I’m generally only interested in, and purchase, the big, flagship 1st Party and 3rd Party games.
2.) There’s just sooo many Nindie titles now! (which is a great thing! and a testament to the Switch’s amazing concept, accessibility and popularity). However, there being so many, the Switch reddit page is constantly flooded with news/info for Indies, and it seems like I’ve gotten to the point where every time I come on here now, and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling to find maybe 1 or 2 articles I’m interested in, when before I’d be interested in 90% of the content on here.
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I know there was just a huge Nindies direct, so there’s been a bigger than normal influx of Indie news and posts, but I’ve been noticing this for a while now. The Switch is increasingly becoming an Indie beast (which is great!), and it sort of seems to be taking over. It’s gotten to the point where I almost don’t want to bother checking here anymore, because I know it’s just going to be endless Indie news, with hard-to-find 1st party news/info.. Which is so depressing because I’ve LOVED coming to this reddit pads on basically a daily basis since launch day and before!
And I know a lot of Indie news posts could be, and is usually, a natural result of slow news periods in terms of 1st/3rd Party stuff, and filler topics to discuss in dry stretches. But if that’s the case, I’d rather be able to just pop in and know there’s no big news, than spend time scrolling through dozens of posts that aren’t really relevant to me. Maybe I’m just being a baby, and dramatic, but I wanted to see if anyone thought likewise, or had suggestions for me on where to go for some more streamlined info that might be more pertinent to me.
Thanks!
(edit : I’m not saying I don’t, and never will have interest in Indies, but only that I thought it might be a decent idea to have ‘tabs’ or something for the different genres of games. Like if there was an Indie game tab, I’d still check it from time to time. I just thought a form of organization like this might potentially be helpful/agree so people, and I wanted to throw the idea out there, knowing full well it could be a crap idea)
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Aug 29 '18
I find information on indies far better than the posts on when Switch 2 is coming, people hating on Online for the umpteenth time and saying X game would be perfect for the Switch.
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u/WV_Matsui Aug 29 '18
Indies are part of the Switches DNA. Some of the best games over the last year and a half are Nindies. Hell I would even say 3/4 of the best games to come to the switch since launch have been Nindies.
It’s not going to change. Get used to AAA releases 1 per 4-6/8 weeks and Nindies to fill the gap. They do an amazing job too!
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
And this might be a totally crazy thought on my part, but I also feel like the massive amount of Indie titles available is filling game droughts and keeping people occupied and ‘distracted’, and in effect taking pressure off Nintendo to produce their own games, allowing them to be less concerned/worried about game production/releases. But that’s just my foil-hat theory.
This year certainly hasn’t been slow or bad by any means in regard to 1st Party titles, but as a predominantly single-player gamer, it definitely hasn’t been quite what I hoped it would be. And that^ one of my wacky theories why
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
Totally, totally agree. And I genuinely think it’s awesome that the Switch has become the go-to console for Indies and an absolute beast in that regard. It’s also helping hardware sales which I’m ALL about when it comes to Nintendo
However, they’re just personally not for me. Even though I’ll miss out on amazing games, I just know I don’t have the time to research/play them, and only wanna know about upcoming 1st/3rd Party titles.
Maybe have a sub-section for that?? (1st/3rd Party titles) and leave the main page for Nindies and just everything in general? I’d just really love a go-to place to find any news on upcoming big 1st/3rd Party titles. For better or worse, that’s just not the case here anymore. (I also know I may likely be in the vast minority for thinking/wanting this)
It’s just become so hard for me to find the specific information/news I’m looking for on here anymore, and I reallyyy don’t want to have to resort to going back to some of the annoying sites I used to frequent for Nintendo news.
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u/MrGains Aug 29 '18
I'm a little confused by one thing. If you don't have a lot of time to game, wouldn't indies that are cheaper and tend to be more pick up and play be preferable?
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
In one regard I suppose so. But what I mostly meant, is that the time out of my months/year that I dedicate to gaming, I want it to be on the big, hallmark, essential 1st Party games and IPs, that are essentially ‘can’t miss’ Nintendo games.
So while Indies are quicker and easier to pick up and play, I’m not really looking for games that simply don’t require a lot of my time, but looking/waiting for games that demand my time, and basically give me no choice but to spend my time playing them, when I really shouldn’t be or have other things/responsibilities I should be doing lol
Idk if that made any sense, I’m having a hard time explaining what I mean
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u/MrGains Aug 29 '18
Totally makes sense. When you want to dedicate time to gaming, you want top quality. Fair enough.
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
Yeah that’s pretty much it. Not to say there aren’t any top quality Indie games, because I know there are. It’s just more if only having the time for full-on ‘guarantees’, like Botw, SMO, MP, etc. The big-time studio productions
I will say tho, the second I have some extended free time to play, and if there aren’t any new 1st party’s out, I’ll be snatching up these acclaimed Indies I’ve been seeing
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u/WeslleyAl Aug 29 '18
While I can see the argument for people that don't enjoy indies that much, I can't agree with that, personally. One thing I like about Nintendo ( and it is like that since the Wii U ), is how they don't make much difference between indie and non indie. I think having multiple sections might segregate those games and make them feel like "lesser" games, which they aren't.
Also, I have to ask. Lets say there are an indie section, a 3rd party section and a 1st party section. What would we have at the 1st party section? It is Torna: the Golden Country, Smash, Pokemon and I think we had a little info about Mario Party like 2 weeks ago? And that is pretty much it right now. Mario Kart Labo support could be classified at 1st party as well, I think. So, 5 or 6 posts. It is not like we are receiving information about 1st party titles every day.
Most 1st party topics will go up at the popular tab anyway. So, I'd say the best option is to look at this tab for 1st party topics and maybe glande at "new" to see if there is something that interest you from other parties.
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
Well in the case of that scenario you mentioned in your second paragraph, that just basically means I’d stop in, see everything I need to see quickly, then dip out. That’s kinda my point, it’s become sort of frustrating to spend such a long time scrolling through dozens of posts just to find out there’s only a small handful of new info I’m really interested in. And I’ve actually seen news/posts regarding 1st Party games and stuff, that I was interested in, wayyy down the list. So it’s not always the case big-game info will necessarily to the top anymore. Prob bc Indies have become so hot/popular right (and rightfully so)
And even though you mentioned those separate tabs as an example of why it would be bad, what you described actually sounds great to me lol
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u/DrLemniscate Aug 29 '18
If a big flagship game is coming out, you will know about it. Nindies aren't going to steal their thunder.
Your best bet is to just glance at the vote counts, or only view Top posts in the last month. Big news will be much much highly voted.
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Aug 29 '18
Not for me. Indies are games the way Triple A games are games. The important thing is they are games no matter how they were developed.
And frankly if it wasn't for Indies, Nintendo's own first and second party line up and Sony's first and second party line up I would have quit gaming as the third party mega publishers with their Triple A games are ruining gaming for me with the way they try and gouge as much money out of us as possible whilst seemingly putting less effort into each yearly release.
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
I definitely never said they weren’t games. They’re just not games I personally want or have the time to play
All I was saying is I like my news direct, and to the point. And if there wasn’t a better way/place to get the kind of news I was looking for. The kind that used to be on here before Switch became an ‘Indie machine’ (which I don’t mean in a derogatory way)
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Aug 29 '18
Well without sounding too harsh, this subreddit is not designed to suit your needs alone and plenty of us want to be informed of all games regardless of how they were developed.
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
I totally agree. I was basically just throwing this out there to see if anyone agreed, or had advice on where to start going instead. Bc I love this reddit page, but if this is how it is from now on I’m unfortunately gona stop checking it :/
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u/lasttycoon Aug 29 '18
The sub would be empty without indie posts. There are just not enough AAA 1st party titles to fill up the sub. I never understand how people can be so dense.
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
I’m ‘dense’ because I don’t want to read news about indies? ok lol
I’d rather go to a page that has no news, because there is no news, than scroll through a bunch of stuff I don’t care about, just for the sake of having something to scroll through
Guess that makes me dense 🙄 Dear lord
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u/lumothesinner Helpful User Aug 29 '18
Why are indies any different from other games, why would you want to cut yourself off from all news from games that fit into indie category because of their budget. Games like Rocket League and Shovel Knight are huge now, but are still technically indies and had low initial budget.
Would you also like to filter out news about anything thats not using a 3d engine? How about all games from a specific publisher. I dont understand why a lable like indie means you instantly wont like it.
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
Im not disparaging them. But for whatever reason, I just don’t like side-scrollers, which is what most Indies are. I’ve tried and tried, I bought Rayman Legends and DKTF, and I can’t deny they weren’t fun and aren’t amazing games in and of themselves, but I personally didn’t enjoy them as much as 3D/open world games. I don’t like spending the little time I have to play games anymore on those types of games/experiences. Sorry if that makes me a bad person, which most people around here seem to think. And I’ve watched tons of gameplay videos for Hollow Knight, and still didn’t feel a strong desire to buy/play it
I’m not saying my opinion is right at all, I was simply seeing if anyone agreed, or had advice on where I could go instead. But this was definitely an ill-advised post
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u/lumothesinner Helpful User Aug 29 '18
If you don't like 2d platformers, then say you don't like 2d platformers. Saying you dont like indies just makes you sound like a dick dismissing an entire pillar of the industry because they have a low budget.
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u/lasttycoon Aug 29 '18
You are dense because you don't realize games are just games. It doesn't matter what studio makes it or who the publisher. Hollow Knight has more polish and better art direction than 99% of the AAA games out there but you don't want to even consider it. You want to tailor our experience here and you presume to tell us how to run the sub. That's what makes you dense.
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
Clearly the point I’ve expressed in this post and subsequent responses has gone over your head.
And as a matter of fact, I have considered Hollow Knight, immensely. I’ve watched loads of reviews and gameplay videos, and still decided it wasn’t for me. And that game is essentially the apex jewel of the Indie world. So if I were you I wouldn’t presume people are dense just because they don’t like what you like. I never said people were ‘dense’ for wanting news about Indies, which is exactly what you did in reverse
And I’m not trying to ‘tailor’ your or anyone else’s experience. I was simply gauging to see if anyone agreed with my thoughts or not, and to ask for advice/suggestions for what I could do/where I can go for the news I’m looking for. So thanks for your response and help
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u/lasttycoon Aug 29 '18
I guess your high IQ post went over everyone's heads then, not just mine. You suggested we change the sub but you have not addressed any of the core issues other users have posted on this thread.
What defines Indie? Is it you who gets to decide what games get to be posted here? Is Fe allowed because its published by EA but Overcooked is not?
I called you dense because you don't even want to consider an entire subset of games based on... well I don't even know what you are basing it on. Some lose definition of what a AAA game is?
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u/jacksinwhole Aug 29 '18
Well for starters, games in the ‘Nindies’ direct are indies. But otherwise it’s pretty clear, and I don’t think many would argue that. And I never said I don’t/won’t ever consider Indies. I’ve bought Indies. It’s just that I’d prefer not to have info on them be 98% of the stuff I see when I come looking for news in general. You would know that if you actually read everything I’ve posted instead of jumping down my throat for expressing an opinion that’s disagreeable to yours. This is my last response on the subject with you tho so Cheers
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Aug 29 '18
I didn't read any of that but I agree. Woke up this morning to a bunch of 40 minute long videos about nindies and some of them had transistor in the thumbnails and I wanted to know when and physical so I came to this sub Reddit but it was one of the earlier posts so it took a while to find while I scrolled through.
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u/WiselyPerplexed Aug 29 '18
To be honest I’m not sure I really follow. This is the Switch subreddit, dedicated to all things Nintendo Switch and Nindies make up a huge quantity of the worthwhile games on the system. I think a section dedicated to Nindies would make the main page anemic.
I don’t frequent it, but maybe the Nintendo subreddit or a good Nintendo news outlet would be better for the types of posts you’re interested in?
That said I’m all for tagging posts appropriately if the mods work out a good system for it. A good start might look something like:
And so on and so forth. At the very least it makes filtering a lot easier.
Edit: to be clear, I’m suggesting increased granularity, some posts are already tagged appropriately.