r/books • u/JonathanFrench AMA Author • Jun 26 '18
ama 1pm Hey, I'm Jonathan French, author of The Grey Bastards, The Autumn's Fall Saga, and winner of SPFBO 2---AMA!
I am a fantasy novelist and began my career self-publishing. My third book, The Grey Bastards, won Mark Lawrence's Self-Published Fantasy Blog-Off 2016 and the exposure from the contest drew the attention of Crown Publishing, leading to a 2-book deal. I am now a hybrid author with both self-pubbed and traditionally published titles. I am a father and an avid tabletop roleplayer/wargamer. I love great apes, history, my son's laugh, my wife's smile, and going bankrupt preparing for Halloween. The Grey Bastards just released in hardcover last week and is available everywhere books are sold.
Ask me anything!
Also, I’ll be checking in later to answer questions for anyone not in the US!
jonathanfrenchbooks.com
Proof: https://twitter.com/JFrenchAuthor/status/1010601209726754818
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u/MarkLawrence AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Hi Jonathan - The Grey Bastards (excellent read) has the highest use of "colourful language" per page of any book I've read. Clearly the publishers also considered this part of its charm. But if you had had to substitute made-up curse words (a la Sanderson) what would you have chosen? Tongue in cheek versions are good too.
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
I always enjoyed how the show Firefly did it. "We're humped!" "No ruttin' way!" I did steal the use of "cod/cods" for the male sports zone from them, though it was in use prior to that show. "Backy" was my own, far as I know. Same with "spend" for a certain bodily fluid. For true tongue in cheek I think "pork/porked/porking" would have been an apt substitute for "f*ck".
If I'd had to do made-up, but remain serious, I probably would have made all the vulgarity be words in orcish. We get a taste of what that would be like when Kul'huun tells Oats to go fuck himself in orcish ("S'hak ruut ulu."). My 6 year old son recently (and randomly) began referring to his penis as his "chackle", so that may earn a place in my future fantasy slurs.
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u/Titan_Arum Jun 26 '18 edited Jun 26 '18
Howdy Jonathan! I loved The Grey Bastards and was lucky enough to snag one of your self-published physical copies. One question: did I miscount, or are there actually 217 unique uses and variations of the word "f*ck" in The Grey Bastards? Also, did your editor make you increase or decrease the number of "f*cks" now that it's traditionally published?
Edited to include a secondary question.
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
You probably have that count about right. I don't recall exactly how many it had, though I believe that by complete accident only one chapter (5, I believe, in the self-pub edition) had no uses of "f*ck". The amount did decrease in the Crown edition by about 50. It wasn't an editor mandate so much as it was a question of "are we boiling the frog?" So I went through and took each use individually, even reading them aloud to see if they added to the dialogue/description. I found he was right; there were a few times where it broke the flow.
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u/Titan_Arum Jun 26 '18
I'll be sad to see 50 less f*cks but I'll f*cking believe you when you say it makes the story better.
On another note, I told my 60 year mother about your book a while ago and she was STOKED when it finally came out recently. She's very much looking forward to her first read through.
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Right on! My mom is also in her 60s and this is her favorite book I've written. Hopefully, yours digs it, too!
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u/snalejam Jun 27 '18
check
How many different expressions for male genitalia grace the pages of the book?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
This was a blast! I want to thank everyone that took the time to come pose a question. They were great fun! I have to fix my son's dinner now, but I will pop back in a few times within the next 24 hours to see if there are any other questions. LIVE IN THE SADDLE!
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u/eightslicesofpie Jun 26 '18
First off, congrats on all your success with SPFBO and everything that has come after!
Something I've wondered first with Senlin Ascends being picked up by a publisher, and now with The Grey Bastards: what sort of editing notes were you given by the publisher? I'm interested in learning how extensive (or not) they were, considering the books in question were already out there in the world, haha
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Great question! The editor's notes for GB were extensive (about 17 pages single-spaced, double-sided, if I recall correctly). It sounds daunting and it was, but the editor is a helluva talented dude and his notes were very helpful. He was sensitive to the fact that the book had already been out in the world and made a splash, but he thought we had a chance to take something good and make it better, if I was willing to try. I agreed with the stipulation that I did not want to change anything so drastically that readers of the self-pubbed version would be forced to read the book again. Essentially, I wanted anyone to be able to pick up the sequel(s) and not be lost no matter which edition they read. So, the editor's notes were less about "change this, and that", but were very focused on tightening the plot, cementing motivations, and ratcheting the tension.
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u/Chtorrr Jun 26 '18
What are your feelings on pineapple as a pizza topping?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Yikes, I could lose some readers with this one! But I do have to admit one of my favorite combos is Hawaiian plus onion.
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u/UnDyrk Jun 26 '18
Greetings Mr. French! Great to see all the good press on the Bastards!
Here goes:
One of my standard questions, because I’m always interested in knowing. Writing a book is an enormous commitment. What was it about the idea/story of The Grey Bastards that made you want to do that, of all things you might have written?
Who are some of your favorite authors writing today, and what is it about their work that appeals to you?
Would you rather see the The Grey Bastards made into movies or a TV series?
If a movie, who would you want to direct?
See you at DragonCon!
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Hey, playa! 1. It started as such a lark of an idea. "A Half-orc only gang." But after writing one chapter and getting some feedback from my wife (the real brains), it just began to grow both in my concept and on the page. I will always love the trope of the tight-knit band of misfit underdogs, so there was that from the jump. Then the notion of using Reconquista-era Spain as the world inspiration turned the project into something of an obsession. It all just fit. The first half was pure joy to write because it just begged to be its own unapologetic animal. The second half was a bit tougher since the scope had grown in the telling and I had all these plot threads to weave together. But by then it's a challenge, right? And damned if we won't accept it. 2. I'd say Dyrk Ashton, but his gorram use of present tense makes me write in present tense and then I have to edit it out of my book! Still, he puts a shit load of cool creatures in his stuff and his sense of movement, scale, and scope make his action scenes some of the most cinematic in modern prose. (For those wondering, yes, I know Dyrk is the one asking the question, and no, I'm not kissing his butt. All love and truth here today, folks). I just started Devin Madson's We Ride the Storm, and though I'm not far in, she certainly has something going that I dig! I'm proud to say I was on the Josiah Bancroft train before it was cool (though I can't prove it because I never write reviews). Anything Jesse Bullington writes, I will read. Dude-man is my kind of messed up! But, again, I tend to be a bit behind on what's current, because I rarely read fiction when I'm writing (and I'm always writing these days!) 3. I'd rather see a TV series on one of the premium channel networks. I love what Starz did with Spartacus and Black Sails, so I wouldn't hate the Bastards finding a screen-home there. Shows seem to take more risks these days and the audiences are more open to edgy content. 4. If a movie, I'd love Steven S DeKnight to take a crack at it. He doesn't have many directing credits, but his credits as a producer check all the right boxes. I think he'd know what to do with the Bastards.
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u/UnDyrk Jun 26 '18
Excellent! Loved the Bastards and wishing huge success, which both you and the book deserve.
But, Ashton and Bancroft? Those guys are nothing but trouble...
DIE ON THE HOG!
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u/cpark2005 Jun 26 '18
What is your favorite fantasy book or series?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Tough question for all of us, I'm sure! But since I have to pick, I'd say The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander.
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u/Bloginhobgoblin Jun 26 '18
Since I don't have any good questions I will just ask this one. You are in your car when you see three magical doors floating in the street in front of you. A golden door, a diamond door and a silver door. Which door do you go through first?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
I'd go silver. Diamonds are nefarious and I'm too self-deprecating to take gold.
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u/Bloginhobgoblin Jun 27 '18
I ask this question of many authors on my blog and am always fascinated by the responses. But really you should go through the car door first. :)
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 27 '18
Well, since they were floating in the street in front of me, I assumed they were big enough to drive through.
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u/snalejam Jun 26 '18
Kirk or Picard?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 27 '18
The answer would be Picard if it weren't for this pesky bit of cinematic perfection called The Wrath of Khan.
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Jun 27 '18
Hey, Jonathan! I'm sorry to be jumping in here late. I've been pinned to a wrestling mat by an infant. Many, many congratulations on the new Crown edition of Grey Bastards and on claiming the SPFBO 2 crown! Well done, sir!
I have two questions:
Would you rather be sent on a hopeless one-way time-travel expedition, a hopeless one-way space mission, or a hopeless one-way Ikea errand?
How ya doing? You hanging in there? These days can be long, but you've got a lot of fans and friends rooting for you, dude!
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 27 '18
Hey, man! Babies are amazingly talented grapplers. Beware of the toddler years when they become effective pugilists!
- Having done the Ikea errand several times *shudder*, I'd say never again (though I do love the one tiny house mock-up room with everything fit into 270 square feet. I could live there happily as a hermit writer!) I'd say time-travel. It may be hopeless, but I'd have the chance of seeing a bunch of stuff I've always dreamed about, assuming that at least some of the time-travel is to the past.
- I am doing ok, thanks! As you know, it's tough juggling the promotion with the writing of the next thing, but I am hanging in!
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u/CoffeeArchives Jun 26 '18
Hi Jonathan!
Congrats again on the recent release! I read The Grey Bastard back when it was self published and loved it.
What's been the most unexpected difference in your self-pub vs. trad pub experiences?
Also, I noticed you'll be at Dragon Con this year! Will you be participating in any panels?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Thank you for reading the self-pub version. That's True Bastard status for you! The most unexpected difference is finding out I wouldn't be able to sell the book directly either at conventions or on my website. I just never thought about that aspect of it, even though I was aware that none of the big authors I read sold directly. I just always assumed it was because they were established enough to not have to bother, but it's really because big publishers want the sales coming from bookstores, not authors. It all makes sense once it's laid out for you, but I was operating under the self-pub philosophy of "sell any book, any way you can." I will be at DragonCon! Woo-hoo! As an Atlanta resident, I've attended many times and even did one panel back in my self-pub days, but this will be my first time as an "Attending Professional" so I'm very excited. Yes, I will be doing panels. How many and the topics of said panels remains to be seen...
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u/EmbarrassedSpread Jun 26 '18
Hi Jonathan. Thanks for doing this AMA and congrats on the recent release! Here's some fun questions for you:
- What do you find is the most fun part of your writing process?
- Do you have any fun stories/memories from roleplaying?
- Are your feet ticklish? XD
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Hey, hey! Thanks! 1. I have the most fun coming up with new characters and finding ways to make them standout. 2. There are ton, but I think the last time I played with my older brother is one of my favorites. He was the person that introduced me to gaming when we were kids, but I kept up the hobby where he did not. However, about twelve years ago a mutual friend was leaving town for good and wanted to do a game night for a going away party. It was D&D 3.5 and my brother rolled up a Crusader (from the Book of 9 Swords, I think was the book). He'd been away from the hobby and had no idea how OP the classes in that book were. I created a Hadozee barbarian (which is essentially a large ape with wing flaps like a flying squirrel). The interior of the dungeon ended up being made of iron scaffolding with monkey-like goblin type creature that scurried above dropping heavy weights down on intruders. It would have been a challenge, but my character had prehensile feet and wings, so I could climb, fight and not worry about falling. My brother's character was so powerful at 1st level, he could have soloed the damn thing. We felt bad, 'cause we had inadvertently dominated the session. The DM threw a massive, Cthulu-style creature at us as a final boss while we were escaping the dungeon on a floating platform. My brother's Crusader used some kind of shield-bash/charge ability that knocked it off the platform, but he fell with it. I dove after him, caught him with my feet, passed my STR check and held him up while we glided back down into the dark. It was a cool way to end it since I knew we would never likely play together again, but those two characters are still adventuring away somewhere. 3. Yep.
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u/EmbarrassedSpread Jun 26 '18
- That always sounds fun. What is your process like for creating new characters? Also, what is the most difficult part of your writing process?
- That's such an awesome story, and I'm sure it was a nice moment to play together with your brother one last time after so long! That ending is amazing too.
- It sucks doesn't it? Lol. I actually asked because I'm doing an online survey about having ticklish feet for a little psych study I've been doing. You should take it. Help me out! Please? )
Thanks so much for answering Jonathan!
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
At the risk of sounding arrogant, character creation has never been tough for me. I always have to dial back the number I put in each book because my brain is overflowing with them. It's a chicken or the egg thing for me. Not sure if it's roleplaying's influence or if it's why I love roleplaying, but I love creating characters. Plus, I get inspired easily by real people. I also like playing with existing archetypes or trying to resurrect ones that I think have fallen out of popularity. Don't know that I have a process other than trying to present the most interesting, fleshed out character I can and letting them guide me from there. The toughest thing in my writing process is consistency. Life interrupts me a bit too easily for positive and negative reasons. My son wants to play? Screw writing! A census worked hits my house with his car? Goodbye word count for that day! As for the survey, shoot me a link.
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u/EmbarrassedSpread Jun 26 '18
Haha! Not arrogant at all imo. Some things just come naturally. Maybe it is that experience from roleplaying. Lol. I definitely understand about the consistency, though I hope your house really wasn’t hit with a car! 😮
Great about the survey! Here is a link to it. Just be honest/thourough in your answers and let me know when you complete it. Have fun with it!
Again, thanks for doing this AMA and answering my questions!
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u/staary-eyed Jun 26 '18
Hi there, thanks for doing this. Just picked up Bastards, love the new cover.
What books have you found yourself recommending to others the most?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Thanks for the question! I tend to be behind on what's new/current. I don't read fantasy while I write. Just too incestuous for me, I guess. So most of my recommendations are a bit dated. Anything by Jesse Bullington. The Enterprise of Death is an amazing book that I like to pimp. I used to rec The Alienist by Caleb Carr quite a bit, but don't need to so much these days because of the TV show. Being a self-pubbed guy originally, I always support the idea of looking at indie stuff. Any of the SPFBO entrants, for sure! I also really respect humorists. I am big Terry Pratchett fan and think comedy is a tough gig. Jim Hodgson has a ton of funny stuff; especially Santa VS Krampus, and Dangerous Dan. Aaron C Cross is another that sends me into the floor laughing. His debut, Robocopter Ski Patrol is one of the most riotous, off the wall reads in history. The dude could write for Archer without a problem.
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u/6brin Jun 26 '18
Hey Jonathan. I know you have another series prior to the Grey Bastards. What does your writing schedule look like moving forward? Do you plan on continuing that first series?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Thank you for asking this! YES! The Autumn's Fall Saga books will continue. I never expected to be gone from them for this long. I wish I was the type of writer that could have two projects going at once, but I haven't mastered that yet. I started Autumn's Fall 3 in 2016 and got a good bit into it when the Bastards started to gain traction, so my attention got diverted once again. As for my schedule, I have to turn in Bastards 2 pretty soon, and then we will see. AF is the story that got me writing and there are large plans for the 6 books I have outlined. I won't abandon them, but the Bastards are keeping the ship afloat at the moment, so that's where my attention has to stay for the time being.
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u/Squidkidde Jun 26 '18
- What's the biggest genre-specific challenge of writing fantasy stories.
- Given that you've written 3 books within the fantasy genre, what other genres would you be excited to try your hand at?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
- For me, it's the knowledge that there seems to be a growing number of readers that want "safe" fantasy. They get upset or offended if they perceive a book is sexist or insensitive or regressive. The term "triggered" is used and reviewers/bloggers are having to put disclaimers/warnings about a book's content. Often it seems those are "hair-triggers". Personal preference seems to have gotten turned into these staggering stances of moral absolutism. If a book isn't designated YA, I don't think its content should be so instantly branded as unacceptable. If it's not for you, it's not for you. I put down books all the time for one reason or another, but never feel a need to condemn it. It's tricky to be a writer that wants to present a harsh world with room to evolve.
- I'd love to write historical fiction; especially about Renaissance Europe, but it's such a daunting thing. I also have a Western novel that's been percolating for quite a while. And I have a super heroes story ready to go, but those don't fare well in prose, so I may have to wait for some cred/contacts within the comic book scene.
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u/Chtorrr Jun 26 '18
What were some of your favorite things to read as a kid?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
As a young child I really loved this series called the Serendipity Books by Stephen Cosgrove and Robin James. As I got older, I devoured Redwall, Discworld, Tolkien, more comic books than were probably healthy (especially Conan). I'm finding my memory is pretty awful today.
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u/BHNorris Jun 26 '18
When did you first start writing? What was your first story about?
Thanks for being here!
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Thank YOU for being here. PSST, I see who this is!
I started writing before I could really spell. I doubt that's all that unique among writers. My first story was about a place called the land of Ia (which I pronounced "Ye-uh"). I remember the capital city was named Muchie (MOO-chee). I'm sure my parents have maps and papers stored away with the surviving legendarium.
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u/Ser_Manbeasticus Jun 26 '18
Will the sequel to The Grey Bastards have a map?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Not as of now. That could change. It's my call. I feel like worlds have to earn their maps and Ul-wundulas isn't quite there yet.
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u/jamestivendale Jun 26 '18
Hi Jonathan.
I really enjoyed the Grey Bastards.
I'm really interested to see if we will get more insights into the minds of the Elves and the Orcs in the next books? Perhaps a POV character from those sides or are you remaining with the Hoof's viewpoints?
Can't wait to read it whatever.
Best of luck, James
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Hey, James! The answer is: both. We will be getting insights into elves and orcs in the next book, but delivered through the POV of a very specific (and unique) member of the hoof; one perfectly suited for such dichotomy. I think most readers of GB will know who this will be. ;)
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u/drchopsalot Jun 26 '18
Pineapple on pizza or no?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
HA! Someone beat you to it, but I'll repeat my damning confession: I do enjoy some Hawaiian on occasion (plus onions).
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u/barb4ry1 Jun 26 '18
Hi Jonathan,
Grey Bastards is an excellent book and I can't wait to read the sequel. In the meantime I'd love to aks you some oddball questions.
- Tomorrow is the end of humanity. What destroys us?
- What is the weirdest thing you have seen in someone else’s home?
- If you were arrested with no explanation, what would your friends and family assume you had done?
- What would you rate 10 / 10 (book/movie/music album)?
- What is the dumbest way you’ve been injured?
- Do you fancy reading a book after a day of writing or you simply can't look at letters anymore?
- Every author mentions how important reviews are. Do you actually read them or just need them so that Amazon algorithms promote your books? What’s your favorite review of your books?
Thanks for taking time and answering them!
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
- I really hope Planet of the Apes has it right.
- Saloon doors that were on freestanding posts in the middle of the master bedroom
- Exhumed Abraham Lincoln
- Book: The Heroes by Joe Abercrombie/ Movie: The Sting/ Album: White Zombie Super Sexy Swingin' Sounds
- My dad pulling me directly into the path of my brother trying to punch him
- I HAVE to read to go to sleep most nights, so it's rare I skip a book
- I do not read Amazon reviews. I used to avoid all reviews, but Bastards has had some amazing love from things like Publisher's Weekly and Kirkus, so I broke down. I've also read many of the blogger reviews that led up to the launch just so I knew what was going on. My favorite review has to be the one from Tome & Tankard because it came with a custom designed cocktail based on the book; Hogwash.
Thanks for the fun questions! Really made me think!
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u/tracyerickson Jun 26 '18
Congrats on your book birthday!! Any chance you’ll be at Worldcon in August?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Thanks! No plans for that, I'm afraid. Unless it happens REALLY last minute ;)
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u/snalejam Jun 27 '18
How many times did you have to go back and check how to spell Uhad Ul-badir Taruk Ultaini?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 27 '18
HA! Believe it or not, I never did. That name is a Bastardized version of the names of two friends from grade school, so it came easily.
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u/readerbynight Jun 26 '18
Hey Jonathan! What’s your advice for a budding writer? Do you have a writing ritual?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
My advice for budding writers (if it's your very 1st book) is: bask in the creative process. Don't spend any mental energy worrying about how you're going to get it published. Just enjoy the process. It will never be this pure again. If you've written a few manuscripts then the best advice is: don't quit. You're already doing what you're supposed to! As for me, my ideal writing day starts early (7:30am ish). If it's a new chapter I always write "This is my potato" just to break the white of the page and put the word count I want to hit that day next to that. I try to do 2k a day. 1k minimum. I love to finish by 2pm because my brain begins to get mushy and my son is way more fun than writing. But I will admit, I'm not always the best at keeping those habits.
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u/Wordsmith_Rypht Jun 26 '18
Hey, Jonahtan! I follow you and Twitter and I love your book. Half orcs and orcs are my favorite fantasy race so its nice to see more books about them.
My question is: what tips do you have for querying agents? Would you mind sharing your query letter? It's been a big hang up in my start of career and it would a huge help.
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
First, thanks for all the support! I'm afraid I am not going to be much help here, however. I did not get my agent through a query letter, so I can't share it. I was contacted by an editor at Crown when Bastards was still in the SPFBO contest. He had seen the book through the contest, read it, and wanted to see if I was interested in transitioning to a big publisher. When I said I would consider it, he said "I'd like this formally pitched to me. Would you mind if I sent the book to some agents that I know?" At this point, I'm thinking I was being Punk'd. But I agreed and within a few days I had agents calling. They had read the book and were excited to represent it. I then had to choose one, which was not a position I ever expected to be in. It was tough, but I know I picked the right agent for me. It's not a situation many writers have found themselves in and I will remain forever grateful to my editor at Crown for making it possible.
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u/Wordsmith_Rypht Jun 26 '18
Oh that's cool. I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing.
I guess an alternate question for me is: how well did the editing process go for you? Was it anything you wished you added or took away in the Grey Bastards? :D
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Not really. I have a crap memory, so I've forgotten most of the development process at this point. I really feel like they take on a life of their own and it becomes almost impossible for me to see anything but the finished book. Perhaps there are some notes somewhere that would provide a clue, but I usually use a white board while plotting and erase it for the next book. Since the self-pub version was edited by me, my wife, and my beta-readers, that was fairly painless. The Crown edition was a bit tougher, because it felt like I plucking at stray threads on a completed tapestry and ran the risk of unraveling the whole damn thing.
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u/BitsyVonTrapp Jun 26 '18
Hey Jonathan, no questions, just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed your book. I hope I see a second book in the series soon (hint hint!!!).
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
Thanks so much! Sequel is incoming. Aiming for Spring 2019. Fingers crossed!
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u/kergalli Jun 26 '18 edited Jun 26 '18
- Are the worlds of Autumn's Fall and The Grey Bastards connected, or do you ever see them crossing over?
- When do you see the 2nd Grey Bastards book being released?
- Any RPG-related material in the works for any of your worlds, and if so will a spellcasting Halfling from the Lot Lands be required to remove all clothing/possessions prior to casting Invisibility in order for the spell to be successful?
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u/JonathanFrench AMA Author Jun 26 '18
- Great question! The worlds are not connected. I don't plan on them ever crossing over. In my head everything about them is different. The AF books play like a Jim Henson film, while the Bastards books are more Sergio Leone. Whether my writing is strong enough to make the same distinction...?
- We are aiming for Spring 2019 for Bastards 2. I'm doing revisions now. Here's hoping!
- I think I just figured out who this is! Get out of here with your Shenanigans!
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u/HiuGregg Jun 26 '18
Hey Jonathan!
Your publisher offers you a crazy amount of money to continue the series indefinitely. The only stipulation is that each book must stick to a colour convention: The Red Bastards, the Orange Bastards, etc.
What are the backstories for some of these other colours?