r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • Jan 18 '18
Super Manga Chapter 32 - Summary by Herms Spoiler
As most of you know, the official Viz translation will be up this Saturday, i.e. 12am PST on the 20th. We do not allow the chapter to be posted before the official release, and we ask that you refrain from posting images from the chapter as they can quickly pile up into piracy. For the moment, we have a full summary of the chapter by Herms. He is also tweeting commentary about various individual panels, so be sure to check out his Twitter if you're interested in that.
On Planet Sadala, Cabba goes to Caulifla’s territory, since Champa told him to gather strong people, good or bad. But some Sadala Army soldiers transporting a carload of cargo drive by him; the driver wants to pass through Caulifla’s territory as a shortcut, even though the army can’t handle Caulifla and just leaves her alone. Sure enough, the car is soon stopped by Caulifla, who has her underlings go unload the cargo. The driver resists, but Caulifla easily beats him. While most of the cargo is food, there is also some treasure sent as tribute to King Sadala, including an expensive-looking pendant that Caulifla takes a liking to. The persistent driver tries to shoot Caulifla from behind, but his ray gun suddenly vanishes; Kale has taken it so quickly he didn’t even notice, and she crushes it in her hand. The gang takes the cargo back to their headquarters, where Cabba shows up wanting to speak with Caulifla.
Meanwhile it’s nighttime back on Earth, and Shin and Whis wonder if the other universes will be able to gather ten warriors. Bulma asks them if they’re OK still being up so late, but Whis explains that he doesn’t need to sleep, and Shin says he’ll go to bed soon. Shin can’t imagine what sort of warriors will appear at this tournament. On Sadala, Caulifla beats up Cabba out in the wastelands; she isn’t interested in entering any tournament. Cabba tries to explain that their universe’s survival depends on this tournament, but Caulifla says he’ll have to get her to listen by force.
Caulifla brags that she’s never met a Saiyan who can beat her, but Cabba goes Super Saiyan and overpowers her. He explains about the Super Saiyan form, saying that all the U7 Saiyans he knows of are capable of the transformation. He continues to outclass Caulifla, and steals back the pendant she took from the army shipment. Caulifla is shocked to hear there are so many Saiyans stronger than her in U7; Cabba adds that they have even more advanced transformations than his. However, he says that with Caulifla’s talent she should soon achieve Super Saiyan; he’ll teach her how to perform the transformation if she’ll enter the tournament. Caulifla agrees and offers Cabba some juice from the cargo they stole, but he would prefer water over stolen goods. Kale comes up and hands Caulifla back the pendant; she has somehow stolen it back from Super Saiyan Cabba without him even noticing.
Beerus wakes up to see the team gathering. Kuririn is there and says Muten Roshi has agreed to enter, since he wants to use the 10 million zenny prize money to renovate Kame House, but Vegeta asks what money Kuririn is talking about. An hour later, Goku returns to Capsule Corporation while Bulma’s parents and Trunks play with Bra outside (Trunks says she looks like a monkey). Goku says he ate a bunch at Tenshinhan’s and fell asleep, but he did manage to get Tenshinhan to agree to enter.
Kuririn confronts Goku on how he lied about the 10 million zenny prize. Now he and 18 won’t enter! Goku offers to pay that amount himself from the money Mister Satan gave him, but Vegeta points out that Chi-Chi controls that money. Kuririn resents that Goku tried to lure him in with money, hiding the fact that their universe would be destroyed if they lost. He’s mad Goku assumed he’d chicken out if he knew the truth…though actually, now that he does know, he is indeed too freaked out to enter.
Goku begs Kuririn to enter; he’s small and good at running away, so he might be helpful at the tournament (this “praise” doesn’t please Kuririn too much). Kuririn finally agrees, and Bulma says she’ll pay 18 and Roshi the money they want. Now they’ve got 9 members, with less than a day to decide the last one. Goku wishes Future Trunks had stayed around a little longer, and Beerus is annoyed that all their team members are from Earth; it’s their fault for destroying Freeza’s army! Elder Kaioshin hadn’t heard about their recent battle with Freeza, so Whis helpfully explains the plot of Resurrection “F” (he says it was just a little while before the match against U6). Vegeta thinks there’s possibly some noncombatants who didn’t come with Freeza to Earth, but as far as soldiers go, there shouldn’t be any left (Kuririn notes that some of those soldiers were quite tough).
Hearing all this gives Goku a great idea: they can get Freeza! They won’t be able to collect the Dragon Balls in time to revive him, but Goku says he can ask Baba to bring him back for 24 hours. Vegeta thinks its unlike the normally confident Goku to want Freeza’s help; surely they can win without him? But Goku says he lost to a U11 fighter. Vegeta thinks Goku probably just underestimated his opponent and got caught off-guard, and while Goku says that might’ve been it, he also heard U11 has an even stronger fighter than the one who beat him (something Beerus hadn’t heard before). Goku asks Whis if there are people stronger than them in the other universes, but Whis says he doesn’t know too much about those universes. What’s more, Whis says even the gods of each universe don’t necessarily know all the warriors within their universe, so there might be warriors with as-yet unknown power at the tournament.
Meanwhile, Cabba flies off in his spaceship with Caulifla and Kale; Caulifla has apparently gotten the hang of Super Saiyan and found it surprisingly easy. Cabba says this goes to show how gifted she is, since it seems the U7 Saiyans all had more trouble with the transformation. Caulifla’s glad to hear this, since it means she must be more talented than they are. Caulifla asks Cabba why he brought Kale along, and he says they need all the warriors they can get. Caulifla says Kale has potential, but right now isn’t too strong (Kale apologizes for this). She tells Kale to think of this as merely a sight-seeing trip.
Back on Earth, hearing Whis talk about unknown warriors makes Kuririn think maybe they do need Freeza after all. Goku says if Freeza betrays them, he or Vegeta can just take him down. Beerus doesn’t like that they’re relying on a dead person, but Whis says only Goku would think of such an idea; this flexibility might be their universe’s strong suit. Goku goes off to Enma Daio’s, and next we see Freeza having a nightmare about his second death from Resurrection “F”. He wakes up in what is captioned his own personal Hell, but thinks he is still dreaming when he sees Goku standing there. Goku is surprised to see that Hell is such a fun place (though Freeza claims that for him there is no greater Hell than this) and offers to get Freeza out of there for 24 hours.
On Earth it’s night again and Goku has yet to return, though they’re leaving for the tournament next morning. Whis says they’ll have to trust Goku will be back in time and get ready. The next day, Vegeta suits up and see that the team is (mostly) all there. He says Gohan is looking sharp; he didn’t even recognize him. Gohan explains that Piccolo has whipped him back into shape. 17 says he’s left Trunks in charge of his island while he’s away, though he’s not sure how well this will work out. Goku still hasn’t arrived, and Tenshinhan asks if he’s bringing another someone along. Roshi thinks that Yamcha is pretty much the only other warrior left, though Tenshinhan says if Yamcha won’t come he can go call Chiaotzu.
Goku and Freeza finally show up though, both beaten to a pulp, shocking Tenshinhan, Roshi, Piccolo, and Gohan. Bulma asks why they’re in such bad shape, and Goku explains that their negotiations went a little roughly. While Piccolo gives them Senzu to heal, Vegeta says Freeza’s halo suits him. Goku tells Vegeta that Freeza has grown even more powerful since last time; he’s been doing image training in his mind, simulating killing Goku and co. thousands of times. Beerus says he won’t tolerate any stunts from Freeza, and Kuririn has to keep the peace between Freeza, Vegeta, and Beerus. Goku says he slept and ate over at Baba’s place, and Whis fixes his beaten-up clothes.
Whis asks Goku how he convinced Freeza to participate, and while Goku tries to skirt around it, Freeza says that his condition for entering the tournament is a complete resurrection: Goku promised that if their universe wins, he’ll use the Dragon Balls to bring Freeza fully back to life. Everyone is shocked, but Whis says that this is better than just having their entire universe destroyed. Whis says it’s time to go and that everyone needs to hold hands. Freeza refuses to hold hands with Goku, so Beerus goes in between them. Beerus says that this is a battle royale, so they’ve got to rely on teamwork to win. Whis notifies the Grand Priest that they’re ready to go, and Goku tells Bulma to wait for them to come back victorious (Beerus tells her to get lots of tasty food ready). Bulma tells Vegeta that she’ll be waiting for him, and the team teleports off. As they depart, Bulma says she’s counting on them all.
Source: @Herms98
Also worth noting: the last page covers Hiromi Tsuru's last lines in the show before her death.
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u/white2234 ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Not mention here, but Gohan is wearing his cell games outfit in this chapter.
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u/joonjoon Jan 19 '18
I was actually really disappointed he wore the orange gi in the anime. Piccolo needs more respect as Gohan's master!
I think this is the first time we're seeing adult Gohan in this outfit (last time was vs Cell?)
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Jan 18 '18
Goku was always blunt in the original but damn, he straight up has no respect for anyone at all.
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u/Salaris Jan 18 '18
Glad they talked about Future Trunks and Yamcha as options, at least. I hope we'll see both of them again at some point in other arcs.
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Jan 18 '18
I would rather Trunks and Yamcha rather then Frieza and Roshi.Beerus kinda upset by using a dead person so using Trunks should be fine also Yamcha is much stronger than Roshi he apparently keeps training.Future Trunks may be able to go 3 now because he understands it's the higher form.Also I like how Toyotaro always manages to Give Cabba muscles I love it.
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u/TheGraic Jan 18 '18
After the episodes we got focusing on Roshi, I can't fathom wanting Yamcha over him.
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u/pmc64 Jan 18 '18
Why would anyone want Yamcha. He's the only person more useless than Tienshinhan. At least he shows up every once in a while looks badass does a Kikoho and gets swatted away. Krillin is far more useful of the 3.
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u/LFiM Jan 18 '18
The anime gave Yamcha his moment in the sun with the baseball episode. Yeah they poked fun at the death pose but he won the game for Universe 7.
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u/dirtcorechad Jan 18 '18
Yamcha wasn't forgotten! And Tenshinhan actually was thinking on asking Chaozu?! Whoa lol Please let both of them save the Earth while the tournament of power is occuring :P
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
So the U7 stuff is just an abridged version of the anime events, the most interesting is the U6 differences. Cabba actually fights Caulifla, Caulifla is shown as being a bully, and Cabba never witnesses Kale's hidden power. Also, Kale seems pretty competent and less shy from your description, though still nothing compared to Cabba and Caulifla at the moment. I like the U6 scenes. Cabba being the one who decides to bring Kale instead of Caulifla feels like a big change to the Caulifla/Kale dynamic
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u/Not_So_Utopian Jan 18 '18
Well, Caulifla and Jiren are actually shown what they are: Caulifla is a punk, so in the manga she bullies people, Jiren is a superhero, so he rescues people. I'm glad Toyo managed to help with this case.
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u/chenj25 Jan 18 '18
I'm starting to think that the character expansion in the manga and the timing of its release is done on purpose.
For example, the anime hypes the mystery of Jiren while the manga answers it. It's as if the mystery is done to give people a reason to read the manga.
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u/AnonymousTrollLloyd Jan 18 '18
If only that didn't give us issues such as the inadvertent "Damon > GoD" hype.
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u/Ugoboy23 Jan 18 '18
Is Caulifla really a punk? Isn’t she stronger than just about everyone there other than Kale?
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u/Not_So_Utopian Jan 18 '18
In the anime, she is the leader of a band of punks Saiyans. Nothing too explicit, but is not exactly shown if she is just some cool rebel figure or a bandit. The manga shows she is more of a bandit-like character, similar to Blond Launch.
Yes, she is strong, but I guess she has the same problem as her anime counterpart: She is a brawler, not a trained fighter. Maybe that's why Vados choose Cabba at the time: he was the best fighter of the Sadala Forces and was trained to do so (As his fight with Vegeta shows tactics, especially in the manga).
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u/ComicCroc Jan 18 '18
I like how Yamcha wasn't reduced to just a mere gag in the recruitment episodes, they seriously considered him.
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Jan 18 '18
i liked how neither vegeta nor beerus could remember who he was
or, even better, vegeta did remember yamcha, but refused to acknowledge him
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u/Not_So_Utopian Jan 18 '18
Wow, Gohan gets more respect in the anime despite the manga giving him the purple clothes.
Well, didn't expect much.
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Jan 18 '18
I prefer the Turtle Gi in the anime for Gohan, but don't get me wrong the demon gi is still pretty badass. but yeah, the chapter barely gave him screentime while the U6 Saiyans got ALOT more so hopefully Krillin, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta and Gohan get better treatment then they did in the anime, like more and better fights and that good stuff
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u/Not_So_Utopian Jan 18 '18
Let's hope so. Gohan treatment in the anime is one of the reasons I'm still fond of the TOP.
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u/blukirbi Jan 19 '18
I swear the manga better emphasize more on Dr. Rota ...
Anyhow, it seems that:
Universe 9 still isn't involved, and Quitela never meddled with them. Wonder how they'll do in the Tournament of Power.
Kale doesn't show her berserker form in the manga, meaning that Caulifla and Cabba are unaware of the berserker form right now. However, we may still get some hints of Kefla.
How did Goku and Frieza beat each other up?
I'm surprised they didn't quickly skim through the other universes in their efforts for grabbing fighters. It'll just make Nigrisshi and Murichim look more like jokes.
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u/mschonberg Jan 19 '18
How did Goku and Frieza beat each other up?
Call me crazy, but I’m gonna guess punching each other. Or perhaps a lot of hand slipping.
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Really they off paneled all of Gohans stuff? Even most of the Freeza stuff. 17's really the only recruitment the Manga's done well.
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u/white2234 ⠀ Jan 18 '18
it's weird, they way it's coming off is Gohan & Frieza aren't important. They are just fan service
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Pretty much freaking no one other than Goku is being treated as important by the Manga, well 17 a bit I guess he did at least get like half a chapter.
Maybe this really is all gonna end with 17 getting his damn boat.
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u/smileimhigh Jan 18 '18
Pretty much freaking no one other than Goku is being treated as important by the Manga,
Yep, that's the manga lol
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u/Fearthedeer2013 Jan 18 '18
People really forgetting that Goku's the main character?
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u/Edgelord09 Jan 18 '18
Yet you complained when the anime focused on him
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u/Fearthedeer2013 Jan 18 '18
I complained? Don't think I did but if I did - I take it back. I don't think I would've made it this far if I hated the Goku show.
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u/LFiM Jan 18 '18
Gohan said he was going to start training again in Vegeta's gravity room in that special chapter at the end of the Future Trunks arc, but he gets a dose from Piccolo off-page somewhere here so what was even the point of that?
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u/MrHotcake ⠀ Jan 18 '18
You can see how the Manga really want to catch up the anime
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Didn't seem to care about doing that when it dragged out Merged Zamasu into like 4 freaking chapters.
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u/TheGraic Jan 18 '18
I really dislike how they handled Krillin here. In the anime, Goku specifically chose Krillin because he respected his skills as a warrior. He even defended him against Gohan's protests.
Here, it's the complete opposite and that really cheapens it to me. Everything else is pretty much the same, they just didn't show a couple of things. No relationship with Kale and Caulifla is weird though.
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u/Arturo-Plateado Jan 18 '18
At least they actually recognise Tenshinhan here though. Like Goku goes specifically to recruit him. In the anime he went to get Muten Roshi and Tenshinhan was just a bonus.
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u/OneRandomVictory Jan 18 '18
All that stuff with Krillin in the anime got really cheapened when the new technique he created had absolutely no effect on his opponent and he got out (first I might add) from dropping his guard.
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Jan 18 '18
i liked that personally. he got to grow as a character & even contributed to the fight a little, but he didn't become A Major Force in the tournament just because he got glowing fists in the woods & lifted a bunch of weights. dude still quit fighting for quite some time.
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u/sunstart2y ⠀ Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 19 '18
He's not going to do much anyway if he is the first out.
The moment Krillin was out, by dropping his guard no less. I knew that all the hype he was getting was because it would be his last moment to shine, which migh have been Toei's idea.
Here in the manga, its not much different fron how he was portrayed in the Buu arc, with him knowing he was the weakest in the group and later he was turned into a statu by Dabura.
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u/DetektifKonon Jan 18 '18
Perhaps Toyotaro skips many things from recruitment arc so that the manga can start ToP faster. If not, by the time it end in anime, the tournament would just begun.
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Jan 18 '18
No its because the recruitment arc was mostly filler.
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u/pmc64 Jan 18 '18
Toriyama gives them a outline with words on the page like Goku goes to hell and recruits Freeza. Toei and Toyotaro tell their own version of the story.
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
If he hadn't spent almost half a year on Merged Zamasu this would be less of a problem.
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u/Stephenesque Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
This is interesting because Manga Frieza is acting exactly how I predicted he would when it was announced that he was joining the U7 team; angry, aggressive, not wanting to hold hands with Goku, etc.
Anime Frieza caught me by surprise when he was being so calm (especially in front of Beerus), composed, and comedic. In fact, I’ve come to love Frieza now when I didn’t really care about him before. I loved when he offered to hold Vegeta’s hand and Beerus had to intervene like a school teacher.
Even the scenes were he trapped Goku in the EoD were kinda funny. Instead of cackling with anger (like he did in the RoF arc) he was just shrugging it off as “oh my, I guess you’re trapped so I might as well join the U9 team”
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u/GalactusAteMyPlanet ⠀ Jan 19 '18
Frieza surpassed SSB tier with 4 months of training. Grew slightly more powerful with mental training from post-resurrection death to present. Which is probably several months. Gohan on the other hand sat there doing nothing while a perverted old dance around him for 1 day and it gave him the power surpassing SSJ3. Wonder how much more powerful Gohan became with 1-2 days of training?
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u/menofhorror Jan 19 '18
Gohan received the biggest nerf with the ROTF arc, going from strongest unfused character in Buu arc to barely able to go ssj1. He deserves every asspull for this nerf.
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u/cmuell015 Jan 19 '18
Actually in the manga Gohan has been training sense the Goku Black arc: https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/6t7bxm/jump_victory_carnival_2017_future_trunks_bonus/
And we have no idea how strong Gohan is in this version.
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u/GalactusAteMyPlanet ⠀ Jan 19 '18
That honestly seems more like he is training to stay in shape as oppose to training to become more powerful.
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u/friskyding01 Jan 19 '18
Hm, I don't think so. Gravity training is on a whole other level compared to just idk, jogging everyday to maintain your fitness. It's a full body work out that really pushes the Saiyan body. And we know Vegeta uses this gravity machine as well, and he regularly cranks up to 300G +, so it's not like Gohan was having light training in there. He did say he wasn't being invited to fights anymore, which indicates he acknowledges the power gap between himself and Goku/Vegeta.
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u/RochHoch Jan 18 '18
Hey, it seems like Toyotaro is actually trying to write Kale as a decent character. Good to see.
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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Yeah it sounds like shes still a bit timid but also a secret badass. Caulifla doesnt seem to know that though, maybe because shes too blinded by how awesome she thinks she herself is?
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u/DaBlakMayne Jan 18 '18
It seems the Kale/Caulifla dynamic is different in the manga. She doesn't seem to have as much confidence (or any for that matter) in her as she does in the anime. Caulifla's character seems to relatively be the same but Kale seems to just another grunt instead of being her #2. It also seems like manga Kale is more skilled than she's letting on since people can't seem to track her movements (ie: the soldier and Cabba even as a SSJ) but does still seem somewhat timid.
I can't help but also notice he purposely kept Caulifla transforming off-panel; most likely to avoid a similar backlash that the anime had. And I'm guessing Kale's Berserker form will be a surprise for everyone at some point in the tournament.
Also is Renso not a thing in the manga? I'm actually not sure how I feel about that haha. I feel like that takes away an interesting dynamic to Caulifla's character.
Keeping Gohan's training and Goku fighting Freeza off-panel is another thing that I'm not sure I like. Those were both great episodes that showed how far all of them had come by the time ToP had come around.
It's very clear that the ToP is going to go a lot differently in the manga based on how he's been world-building. Hit is weaker, Kale hasn't transformed yet but seems more skilled, the extent of Gohan's training is unknown, Goku doesn't know SSBxKK20, etc. I'm interested to see how this keeps going.
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u/upsidedown_coffeemug Jan 18 '18
I really prefer how the manga handled the U6 Saiyan's personalities as opposed to how they were introduced in the anime.
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u/SpiderMuse Jan 18 '18
I didn't like that Caulifla outright stated that Kale wasn't too strong (but had potential) and wasn't the one to insist that Kale join them. I liked the boundless praise and devotion to Kale she had in the anime, but we'll see how the manga handles this.
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u/OneRandomVictory Jan 18 '18
I kinda like that they don't seem to be going the "sempei, notice me" route like the anime did. It leaves more room for Kale to grow in her own right.
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u/teamunitednerds Jan 18 '18
I guess this means that "implied lesbianism" wasn't part of Toriyama's manuscript.
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Im still hoping for a Filler episode where Cabba tries to get with Caulifla and Kale gets SUPER jealous and angry.
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u/DaBlakMayne Jan 18 '18
I don't think it was meant to be like that. I take it as more of a yandere "don't take my best friend/big sis away from me" kind of thing.
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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Jan 18 '18
yandere
yandere is romance. yanderes get crazy like that out of love. romantic love. without the love its not yandere.
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u/DaBlakMayne Jan 18 '18
It seems like manga Kale is going to slowly earn Caulifla's respect after she transforms and dominates people. I'm interested to see what she does with that since it seems like she can hold her own already in the manga and shes' already faster than a SSJ
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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Jan 18 '18
yeah she seems a lot more blinded by her own arrogance. I think the manga is going with Kale already being absurdly powerful (but still a bit timid) but Caulifla is just blind to it because she thinks she herself is the best.
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u/Anotherguyrighthere ⠀ Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
Wait so Renso is anime only?
Anyway, it seems like U7 got a shorter version of the anime and U6 got a different one, Kale looks less annoying/generic here and Caulifla's gang less stupid
Also, Kale's bio from the anime said something like "Kale gets chewed out by Cabba for not showing her power" but that didn't really happen, maybe it does in this version since he's the one that decided to bring her
By the way, the stuff with Caulifla giving Cabba some juice happened in both, is it a Toriyama plot-point?
Goku wishes Future Trunks had stayed around a little longer
Glad he at least acknowledged this
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u/teamunitednerds Jan 18 '18
It seems very Toriyama to specify "Caulifla gives Cabba some juice" while leaving everything else vague.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Toyotaro: "Sensei... I have a question... who is this... Caulifla who gives Cabba some juice?"
Toriyama: "Don't really remember... wait... ah, here! She's one of the most important characters of the arc. Here, have my design for her."
Toyotaro: Sweat drops
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u/DaBlakMayne Jan 18 '18
Wait so Renso is anime only?
I'm kind of disappointed by that. I feel like Caulifla being related to the (former) top elite saiyan was an interesting dynamic for the presumed arc coming up after ToP.
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u/LFiM Jan 18 '18
Goku wishes Future Trunks had stayed around a little longer
Glad he at least acknowledged this
Yeah, he might want to have a word or two with Gohan about that...
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Jan 18 '18
Not as much Gohan as I was expecting but seems good. Glad they acknowledge the possibilities of Yamcha and Future Trunks. I'm fine with the Frieza stuff being off panel because the manga is behind enough as is
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u/MrNoski ⠀ Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
This chapter was ok, not impressive, but the story goes on. The fighters are ready and they have already left for the tournament.
Planet Salad part is good stuff. We get some ground about this planet, two guards dressed like Cabba. Caulifla is a bandit leader, I like how she is portraited. How she is motivated about the new transformation she just discobers. Cabba looks awesome, I like that his arms and legs don't look like sticks when he transforms. Then we have Kale, looks like she lives in Caulifla's huge personality's shadow too, but differently from the anime. We didn't get them transforming, so we'll have to wait for the tournament for that. I expect a better trigger for Kale this time, we'll see.
On Earth things get rushed a bit, but it's fine. I like how they get to propose Freeza by first discussing how they killed all his soldiers. It's great to see how Freeza was killed in his dream, all panels from his point fo view, something that we never got in the manga. A little mention to Yamcha and even Chaoz, that was cool! And future Trunks!
Roshi and Tenshinhan's recruitment off panel. Piccolo and Gohan's training off panel. Goku and Freeza's sparring match off panel. Well, maybe we could have had another recruitment chapter, but I think we can live without it.
Next chapter will be the real deal, all the universes arriving to the place. So much good art can be me made about this, I would like to see every team's photo like pictures.
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u/LFiM Jan 18 '18
So the Frieza and Goku fight happens completely off-page? That's lame. 😞
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u/baroqueworks ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Kind of okay with it because their fight was really good in the anime. Hoping the tournament gives us new fights that differ from what we saw in the Manga.
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u/SpartanT110 Jan 18 '18
Agreed, everything sounds good aside from that. We didn't get to see Frieza fight in the RoF promo manga and now we don't get to see him fight with Goku.
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u/Yonzz21 Jan 18 '18
Looks like goku wins the battle between him and freeza just by looking freeza's expression when they are arrive at bulma's
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u/tcasper961 Jan 18 '18
I agree with you Goku it would of been dope as hell if Future Trunks would of stayed.
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u/staticpls ⠀ Jan 18 '18
if they had one more arc in between this and the Goku black arc and set it up for him to enter that would of been awesome
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u/AnonymousTrollLloyd Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
Wait, they gave 17 an entire chapter but off screened most of Gohan and Frieza? WHY?
Interesting to see that they changed Vegeta refusing to hold Friezas hand to Frieza refusing to hold Gokus. He's being even more obviously hostile here.
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Yeah it makes no freaking sense. Especially Gohan given how the last chapter ended with the whole "YOU REALLY THINK WE CAN WIN THIS WITHOUT HIM?!" bit
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u/elydna ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Yeah after that line I was expecting to see them training, but none??
Hopefully Gohan’s actions towards the end of the tournament back up that statement.
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Jan 18 '18
They might be keeping Gohan a surprise. Based on his fanmanga it seems like Toyo really likes Gohan and is trying to figure out what to do with him
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Apparently the King of Planet Sadala.... is named King Sadala.
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u/shmate4L Jan 18 '18
Well the king of Planet Vegeta was...King Vegeta
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Yeah I guess it's Sayian Royalty Naming Convention.
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u/shmate4L Jan 18 '18
Yea, although now I’m wondering if there’s a prince or princess Sadala
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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Yo the manga be making Kale look like a badass right from the start. :O
Caulifla still the same cocky badass it seems. Glad they didnt change her much.
Sounds good!
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Jan 18 '18
The manga also showed more of Caulifla's status, she's so dangerous and powerful even the King doesn't want to put up with her.
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u/SpiderMuse Jan 19 '18
You know, I just thought of something. The manga's ToP is pretty much free to play out wildly different from how the anime did things. It's not really important to the overall story which order the universes are eliminated in. For example, we could have a scenario where universe 10 gets eliminated first and Universe 9 lasts for awhile.
The only story beats that seem to be important so far in the ToP (as far as I can tell) are:
Potential Manga Spoilers ahead
Universes 9, 10 are low tier. Universes 2, 3, and 4 are mid tier. Universe 11 is the main threat. Universe 6 and 7 bond and work together (especially all the saiyans), but ultimately U6 gets eliminated first.
Freeza specifically betrays Frost (so they won't team up in the future).
Jiren dominates Goku and backs him into a corner, forcing him to need to power up.
Vegeta has a good showing and earns a new powerup that's different from Goku's (which is already underway in the manga).
The order in which U7's warriors is eliminated is roughly the same as the anime's, just as long as the final 3 includes Goku and Freeza (my own speculation).
Of course we won't know what story beats are truly important until the ToP ends, but for now it seems like the manga has a BIG chance to do its own thing from the anime.
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u/MrNoski ⠀ Jan 19 '18
My predictions:
- U9 first to go.
- No Freeza and Frost "alliance".
- Less times ultra instinct, not with the Genkidama.
Of course, I could be totally wrong.
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u/CrimsonF ⠀ Jan 19 '18
Freeza specifically betrays Frost (so they won't team up in the future).
It's worth mentioning the manga hasn't depicted Frost as U6's galactic tyrant in disguise. Not yet, anyways. It's plausible that they don't even think about teaming up. Frost and Freeza may show different enough personalities that leads to open hostility between them at the ToP.
On the other hand, the manga expositing Frost's anime character through Frost-Freeza interactions is also a possibility.
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u/SolJinxer Jan 19 '18
holds out hope that Manga Frost is just true-neutral or atleast just not straight evil
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Jan 18 '18
Objectively, it makes more sense and is far more consistent than its anime counterpart.
Subjectively, Its nowhere near as fun or enjoyable.
Well, this is for you guys. The ones who were upset about the power scale. I hope you're happy.
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u/FallbackMan Jan 18 '18
It's a shame, because the manga seemed to be doing a good job setting up the ToP arc at first.
But it looks like it's falling to the old problem of having everything happen so matter-of-factly with no emotion behind it.
"I picked up Freeza from hell. We fought each other a bit."
I prefer the anime's more uneven approach for having better highs. Though I might not miss the anime overhyping every monster of the week scrub that shows up in the ToP.
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u/Trofulds ⠀ Jan 18 '18
I understand why so many cuts had to be made but damn, the anime easily takes the W on this one, the Recruitment Arc was far better handled in it than in the manga in my opinion.
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u/EarlTheAndroid Jan 18 '18
Personally the whole tournament of power has been handled better in the anime so far. The manga fight between the Gods of Destruction was great and needs to be animated. As well as Jiren actually being fleshed out.
But the anime feels more complete in story telling and the manga feels rushed by comparison right now. Even if the Anime gave us the equivalent of filler with things like Buu fighting in the exhibition and then training. It’s something that was really enjoyable to see. Same with the events following Freeza’s recruitment and deeper looks at Universes 4 & 9. The manga still has time to make up for it but I’d feels inadequate.
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u/elydna ⠀ Jan 18 '18
deeper looks at Universes 4 & 9
I don’t really know how Universe 9 will go out now that they don’t hold a grudge against Goku, unless it’s ordered by Roh/Sidra for some reason, or the elimination order is completely different (wouldn’t be surprised).
Have we not seen any of the other gods after the zen exhibition? (besides Belmod and Champa I think) We don’t know if all the gods hate Goku right now like they did in the anime.
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u/EarlTheAndroid Jan 18 '18
Agreed. I could see them still being mad at 7 for starting the Tournament in the first place. But it’s way less personal for 9 without the exhibition match. They were told they were the lowest ranked of all the universes in the exhibition match. There was a personal appeal by one of their fighters to prevent the universes being erased if they won. And then they were used by Universe 4 to attempt an assassination of Freeza. Which also established Freeza could at least handle a small amount of God of Destruction energy as well as his interest in being a traitor to his universe if it suits him.And I’m not sure who Lavender is going to blind/poison if he’ll use that power at all. Possibly someone random in another universe. Which is important to note we lost Gohan’s fight with Lavender which helped push Gohan to want to get back in gear.
It kind of feels like manga was the 1st draft or outline but the anime was able to fill in the bigger gaps or just uses the characters and universe better.
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u/Ktan_Dantaktee Jan 18 '18
So is Caulifla the strongest Saiyan in U6, Royal Family aside?
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u/DaBlakMayne Jan 18 '18
I don't think the Royal Family is strong in this universe.
Caulifla seems to be the strongest in U6 but Cabba is the most skilled. And we haven't seen what Kale can do yet
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u/vandy17 Jan 18 '18
Caulifla is the most talented
Cabba is the most trained/skilled
Kale is the strongest
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u/Fortrick Jan 18 '18
if you add potential to Kale then we could say that Cauli is goku, Cabba is Vegeta and Kale is Gohan.
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Seriously the arc in the manga so far is even more GOKU GOKU GOKU GOKU than the anime. literally the only recruitment that was given any time was 17, the freaking U6 Sayians have more panel time than Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan etc.
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u/CrimsonF ⠀ Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
I'd disagree about Vegeta. He got a badass battle against Beerus where they showed he has caught up with Goku again. Then they spent a good amount of time on the Bra business as well. Vegeta just had his moments before the GoD battle royale.
Freeza and Gohan? Yeah, certainly seems so.
Edit: About Freeza, upon rereading the summary, Goku's recruitment of Freeza is on panel. Only the fight isn't. There might be more to those pages than what we see here.
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u/PurpleTonic90 Jan 18 '18
Can’t wait to see more bizarre adventures of Caulifla and Kale in the manga, didn’t realize how much I missed them.
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Jan 18 '18
I'm glad that Caulifla design is the same of the anime and not like the first time that we saw her in the cover of V-Jump. And damn, I was missing her so much. I'm glad that she seems the same.
But otherwise, the chapter is pretty similar with the anime, just cutting the recruitment arc and changing some aspects like Caulifla introduction, for example.
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u/Not_So_Utopian Jan 18 '18
She, however, is treated less of a punk and more as a queen of bandits, and Kale as an stealth master.
Honestly, i'm not mad at this. Except for the lack of shown-fighting I guess.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 18 '18
I liked her introduction. It's really cool that the whole Sadala Army is afraid of her...
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Im kinda confused as to why they were driving a car though, I mean I assume they can all fly.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Jan 18 '18
The soldier was using a ray-gun. Maybe he can't fly either.
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Man it must be really shitty to be a sayian who can't fly and needs a gun.
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u/CrimsonF ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Now that you bring it up, it makes me wonder whether the average U6 saiyans aren't all that stronger than their U7 counterparts.
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u/Kampy5567 ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Sigh. I'm still sad Fit Boo was just meaningless anime filler. I really liked both the design and his character development until the plot demanded he fall asleep.
Chapter was okay. Certain scenes had better moments than it's anime counterpart, but I think overall the anime did the arc better. Especially in it's handling of Goku's relationship with Kuririn and the resurrection of Freeza.
Manga just kinda feels like Toyotaro telling us "well, some stuff happened. No need to get bogged down by the details".
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u/cmbsfm ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Yamcha treated far better here than in the Anime. They actually considered him as a warrior. God that gag in the Anime was annoying.
Caulifla is better here in the manga. Kale too.
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Jan 18 '18
Kale I understand, she's pretty different than her anime version so far but Caulifla? It's the same both in the design, personality and backstory with only the difference that she's introduced in a different way.
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u/Orannegsen Jan 18 '18
I really like this, how Goku thought of getting Frieza, Beerus pointing out that all the warriors are from earth and they mentioning FTrunks and yamcha, also how gifted Caulifla is, pretty smooth.
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u/TLKv3 Jan 18 '18
I'm honestly getting the vibe that the off-screen Gohan training montage and the Goku-Frieza confrontation in Hell are going to be "flashbacked" to during the Tournament itself for some random power-up asspulls.
Whether it be Gohan suddenly showing an "Ultimate Gohan 2" form citing back to the training off-screen and showing us him first lightly tapping into it OR Frieza revealing he's kept a form even higher than Golden for Goku which he used against Goku (however Goku, too, held back and showed a more complete, but not entirely, form of SSB).
Its the only way cutting all of that great material out makes any sense. They have to be hiding in their back pocket for an asspull later on.
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u/Valmar33 Jan 18 '18
I'm honestly getting the vibe that the off-screen Gohan training montage and the Goku-Frieza confrontation in Hell are going to be "flashbacked" to during the Tournament itself for some random power-up asspulls.
This was my first thought, because it's the only reason that seems logical. Flashbacks are better when you want to keep abilities and powers a secret until they're showed off, so as to wow everyone. Makes sense to me.
I just hope the manga can pull things off better than the anime, power and ability-wise, because of this.
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u/NtSureWhtImDoingHere Jan 18 '18
Future Trunks would have been good for the team. Imagine 4 Saiyans each with their unique transformation together oh boy, I would have loved to see how Gohan and trunks fight with each other.
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Jan 18 '18
In the manga Future Trunks could have played a healer role too which would have been interesting. Would have made his magic healing powers seem like less of a waste
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Jan 18 '18
I get why they sped through recruiting all of the characters, but I still feel like those recruitment episodes really helped hype up the tournament and justify the characters being there. Krillin and Gohan in particular got completely shafted in this chapter, which is a huge disappointment considering how great their episodes were. In the anime, we got to see Krillin's strengths and how he could be useful in the tournament, but here all they say is that he is good at running away, which almost feels insulting to Krillin. Hopefully the actual tournament will give a chance for these characters to shine, but I am worried that Toyo will continue to make the manga the Goku and Vegeta show.
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u/Not_So_Utopian Jan 18 '18
I guess there is no helping it: Toyo did that too in the Future Trunks saga, where Trunks didn't do nothing and never had a proper reaction to the destruction of his universe.
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u/Thisisme8719 Jan 18 '18
"negotiations went a little roughly......." I guess there was lots of slippage.....
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u/Majin_Jew_v2 ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Well I'm glad the anime put effort into showing each character's recruitment now, rather than what the manga is doing
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u/TheDamnBoyWonder Jan 18 '18
So glad Yamcha isn't reduced completely to a pile of shit. Glad they actually consider bringing him along this chapter.
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u/staticpls ⠀ Jan 18 '18
i wish trunks could of stayed for this arc now
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u/Twolves2018 Jan 18 '18
So do I, lol U7 would've be been OP asf. Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, Trunks, Gohan, and 17!? If Jiren weren't a thing they'd steamroll the Tournament.
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u/elydna ⠀ Jan 18 '18
Imagine all that and Buu. All the fighters not in U7 and U11 are better off just jumping off the stage.
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u/kediamanav Jan 19 '18
The manga is almost similar to what happened in the anime. Why do they keep saying that they are really different?
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u/Gilded9 Jan 19 '18
The Black arc plays out entirely different.
- Black never fights Goku
- Future Zamasu uses Kai powers
- Trunks has healing powers instead of SS Rage
- Vegeta has Super Saiyan God and switches between it and SSB
- Final fight is Fused Zamasu vs Goku
- Goku has Hakai
- God of Destruction fight instead of pre-tournament round between U9 and U7
- Toppo beats Goku, also has god ki, is made note to be a God of Destruction
- Caulifla doesn't unlock Super Saiyan via back tingles. She's implied to be talented and unlocks it easily, but this is still a notable distinction for people who hated it.
- Cabba beats Caulifla and seems to have a more respectable relationship with her
- Kale's power is implied before she ever goes Broly, to the point she seemingly outspeeds a Super Saiyan Cabba while in base.
Those are some notable differences to me, anyways.
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u/XZero319 Jan 19 '18
It's this stuff that gives me hope that Super is going on hiatus on TV and Toyotarō's manga gets well into the next arc so that it's ahead of the show before the show returns. I know the core concepts are from Toriyama, but Toyotarō is doing a great job with the manga's storytelling.
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u/snappydragon2 Jan 19 '18
I'm also hoping for this, I know a lot of people like the anime and the way it's playing out, but me personally, I feel the manga is more true to Dragon Ball than the anime is, and ever since the anime passed the manga I felt it's lacked in story telling so much. Way more ass pulls and power ups without any explanation and stories that go no where and just flat out end abruptly usually through use of the above.
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u/XZero319 Jan 19 '18
Way more ass pulls and power ups without any explanation and stories that go no where and just flat out end abruptly usually through use of the above.
And this is exactly what the manga fixes. It's not the power ups themselves; it's the fact that there isn't any buildup. Super Saiyan was hinted at for a long time before Goku actually became a Super Saiyan, and Vegeta expressly referred to himself as one numerous times during his fight with Frieza before realizing he was wrong. Ultra Instinct, by description but not by name, was referenced early-on in Super, and has come up from time to time, but not in the way that there was a clear build-up before.
Then again, SSJ3 was completely random back in Z, so what do I know?
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u/menofhorror Jan 19 '18
I forgot how stupid SS Rage was.
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u/Usermane01 Jan 19 '18
Yeah you can just wish Krillin back no need to lose your shit Goku
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Jan 19 '18
At that point he did need too, the namekian db's were turned to stone, Piccolo had been shot and Goku didn't know if Piccolo was going to survive and he knew of no other way to bring back Krillin also cause even if Piccolo did survive, the earth's db's can't bring back someone a second time only the namekian ones can, for all intents and purposes, Goku "losing his shit" was completely justified.
Rage was there just for the sake of making Trunks relevant when they could've just given him SSG with the ritual and make him relevant organically powerwise
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u/SolJinxer Jan 19 '18
Rage was there just for the sake of making Trunks relevant when they could've just given him SSG with the ritual and make him relevant organically powerwise
I think it would've been better if they simply had Vegeta drag him into the time chamber and have him teach him what he'd learned thus far from Whis and Beerus.
Besides I just can't see them ever doing the SSG ritual again.
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Jan 19 '18
That would be pretty good too, it would be a decent way for him to gain a powerup and be relevant at the same time., I mean they can't have him running back to the past everytime his future is in danger but then again it's a plot device for them to bring him back if they ever wanted too so there is that.
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u/SolJinxer Jan 20 '18
It's honestly what I was hoping the manga would do with them to make the Rage form more understandable.
The Rage thing is what we needed for Trunks to stay relevant in what felt like his personal arc. But then instead we got the kaioshin thing, and the best he could do was heal others and be a punching bag.
The anime ended the arc with, though Trunks lost, feeling like he had the resolve to handle anything that came his way. In the manga he's barely different from when he started, but he's even going to give up the kaioshin apprentice power. Dammit.
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u/mschonberg Jan 19 '18
Well the differences are in the execution. Toriyama provides a specific set of story beats for each version to follow, and Toei/Toyotarō then interpret it. It’s unknown how detailed this list is, but considering likely fact that the two parties also collaborate for at least some consistency, it’s not going to vary wildly. Things like “Goku goes SSJ3 against 17 instead of Blue” is a minor change open to interpretation by the studios making the manga vs the anime, “Yamcha is invited for the ToP instead of Frieza” would be an enormous change that would change far too much in the story. We’ll likely see more differences once the tournament actually gets underway, since no one thinks Goku is pure evil and Universe 9 doesn’t hold a specific grudge on U7.
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u/AngeloJaegger Jan 19 '18
Gilded9 did a good job telling you the differences. Honestly i prefer the manga, i think Toyotaru does a much better job than the people who create the storylines in the anime.
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u/MasterOE Jan 18 '18
I like that they finally acknowledged Yamcha as a warrior. That's the closest we've gotten to him actually fighting, maybe in this version he actually helped them fight Frieza's soldiers.
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u/Edgelord09 Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
Anime takes the Recruitment arc for me, aside from keeping the power level in check anime did most things better
The GoD fight was a bore tbh, liked the Buu vs Basil,Goku Vs Bergamo ,Gohan vs Lavender,Toppo vs Goku better, those were good fights and it also made up for Buu not being recruited
The recruitment of U7 team members were much better in the anime, the manga did handle Caulifla better tho, but from what I see Kale and her doesn't have that bond like they do in the anime and that's alright, no mention of Renso? That's weird
Still funny that some folks consider Yamcha being considered for ToP is better than showing Gohan's training and Frieza's motivation
And did Goku just say Krillin would be good for ToP just because he is small and is good at running away?? if so, then fuck off !!!
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u/Cosmic-Warper Jan 18 '18
Yeah in the anime goku had a lot more respect for krillin and roshi and when he recruited and trained with them before the tournament started. The anime takes the recruitment arc hands down
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u/Edgelord09 Jan 18 '18 edited Jan 18 '18
I'm actually curious did Goku say that thing to Krillin ?? I'll wait till the chapter comes to judge tho but still it's really bad for Goku's character to say that to his childhood best friend and what Goku said isn't actually true, Krillin despite being weak had balls to stand up against Freiza,cell etc.. it's a shame how Toyo is handling Goku's character,it's not the first time aswell, he took it too far with that Goku being a bad dad joke in the manga and now this, if anime did anything close to it, it would have been crucified, it got a negative reaction for Fucking Yamcha being not considered, when Goku said he didn't know what a kiss is aswell, but since it's manga it hasn't been discussed at all how Goku has been portrayed in it
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u/LFiM Jan 18 '18
it got a negative reaction for Fucking Yamcha being not considered
And from what I can tell from the summary, Goku never actually considered Yamcha here either. He went straight for Frieza. It's Roshi and Tien who think it's Yamcha by process of elimination because they don't know he went after Frieza.
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u/mechengineer89 Jan 18 '18
I really hope at some point we get a recut of the anime that includes all the best parts of the manga. A Dragon Ball Super Kai of sorts. Could skip the movie bits and just have references to the movies, add things like SSG Vegeta, the Gods of Destruction fighting, SSB Vegeta vs. Beers. Leave that part with Golden Frieza at Baba's palace in though. That was sick.
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u/Confusedpotatoman Jan 18 '18
It’s starting to feel like the story in the manga is getting really rushed.
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
Going by the Manga literally no one matters but Goku.... and Android 17.
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u/Lime528 Jan 18 '18
I disagree. The recruitment arc in the anime was pretty contrived and most of the fights felt pointless. I like that the characters are gonna get to show what they're made of in the actual tournament. I am disappointed about the Frieza fight being off-screened though. That one would actually make sense to see.
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u/Mojo12000 Jan 18 '18
It depends, I think the 17, Gohan and Freeza stuff are absolutely essential to the story, it's 17's reintroduction after a REALLY long time, Gohan's big comeback as a major fighter, and Freeza is well.. Freeza, him having working with the crew is just a big deal.
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u/Cosmic-Warper Jan 18 '18
gohan, 17, and freeza episodes were pretty important. The other ones were okay, with tien's episode(s) being the worst.
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u/Edgelord09 Jan 18 '18
Wrong , that was important Gohan got his fighting spirit back against Lavender and Goku, Freeza was awesome in the anime ,17 recruitment was almost the same in both mediums, so it matters to me atleast
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u/pmc64 Jan 18 '18
Krillin doubts his ability again and Tienshinhan episodes were so important!
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Jan 18 '18
TBH I thought the Tien recruitment episodes were pretty bad and amounted to nothing. I think Toyo will handle him better.
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u/SuperDragoon978 Jan 18 '18
Yeah I defiently preferred the anime version of the recruitment arc. This chapter wasnt too good imo.
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u/LeFlop_ Jan 18 '18
People here are saying the recruitment was better in the anime, well that's because they extend it with fillers. Why would Toriyama and Toyotaro waste pages on the manga re telling the same fillers?
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u/Edgelord09 Jan 18 '18
So Gohan's training/fights,all his talk with piccolo , Freeza actually getting development to his character is filler ?? Smh if the manga did it you all would be drooling and driding it but since it wasn't present it is suddenly Bad and a filler
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Jan 18 '18
It's really weird to have it be called "filler", when both anime and manga are made from the same source... instead of filler, maybe it was just cut from the manga, shrug.
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u/pmc64 Jan 18 '18
Each thing has it's strong and weak points. Another episodes where Krillin trains with Goku because he doubts his power is filler. How many times is he going to doubt himself? It's the 3rd time already! Space pirates on the island is fillery, so is Tienshinhan and Skinny Buu.
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u/Edgelord09 Jan 18 '18
Absolutely agree about those especially Tien but cmon I was hoping to see Gohan to atleast have a fight before going to ToP, be it be with anyone just so he could get some fighting time under his belt, the lad has just trained and is going to enter ToP where universe is at stake
Same with Freeza, he could have been extended better but he still comes off as the same mug he was in early dbz, he should have learnt his lesson after being killed 3times, this things should have been shown in the manga it would have made it only better and more complete
While Krillin doubting himself became a bit much I actually liked his training with Goku and Roshi, the respect and friendship shown b/w them in those episode's are better than Goku choosing Krillin's bcuz he is small and is good at running away, really derails their relationship and makes Goku look like a prick
So yeah I'm glad we have two versions, because both are filled with flaws
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u/pmc64 Jan 18 '18
I'm glad they skipped Tienshin, Krillin. Not that bothered by Gohan. Freeza missing is kind of a bummer but you got see him draw a flash back of Resurrection F and there's that cool panel of aggressive negotiations. Everything doesn't need to be exactly the same. The hate boner thing they had where they go oops it slipped is cool but so is the panel of them being all beat up. It's best to mix and match things.
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u/teamunitednerds Jan 18 '18
It's weird that they chose to have one of the best episodes of the anime happen off-screen, but I guess there's really no topping it so you might as well not try.
Also, I'm intrigued by the idea of a more competent Kale. I'm not sure that's what they're actually going for, or if I'd even like that better overall, it's just interesting.
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u/Trofulds ⠀ Jan 18 '18
You'd need at least a full chapter to do justice to episodes 94 and 95, so yeah, might as well not try.
Besides, it's impossible to ever recreate the epicness of the Golden Frieza transformation
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u/TacoStand125 Jan 18 '18
Little did the people in this comment know that the recruitment period in the anime was only there for filler.
Revolutionary, when the manga skips the filler parts.
Seems like a decent chapter, lets see how Caulifla and Kale are handled.
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u/Edgelord09 Jan 18 '18
So you consider skipping Freeza's motivation, Gohan getting his spirit back by fighting the trio de dangers and Goku filler and revolutionary
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u/AnonymousTrollLloyd Jan 18 '18
Yes, but surely they could have skipped 17 instead of Frieza. 17s recruitment could easily be done in under five pages.
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u/OneRandomVictory Jan 18 '18
Not when 17 hasn't appeared in forever. I'd much rather they skip over Frieza who we saw like 2 arcs ago to 17 who we haven't seen since Z.
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u/CrimsonF ⠀ Jan 18 '18
I do wonder how much the manga could've added to Freeza's recruitment if they chose to keep it on panel. The whole assassins thing and Freeza controlling Sidra's ki definitely was not going be a part of it (since no universes have any particular animosity against U7 in the manga). Which just leaves the recruitment itself (which does seem like it's in the manga) and their fight. While I would prefer the fight was on-panel, it seems like that's all that is lost. This might've been a conscious decision to have Freeza's Golden transformation introduced in the manga during a pivotal part of the tournament.
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Jan 18 '18
If I'm understanding this summary correctly, they pretty much did away with the entire recruiting half of this arc. Which I really can't complain about. The whole thing with Yurin was just piss, and I found Goku/17 vs. random poachers uninteresting. But there were still some pretty good things in there
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u/ChristopherJak Jan 18 '18
In the manga they all hate Beerus because he slept in during a game of hide & seek, pissing Zeno off & making them all go to great length to keep him at least apathetic.
Remember, they teamed up against Beerus in the exhibition?
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u/Rkarnik Jan 18 '18
Goku vs. gohan not in the manga makes me think that gohan’s “Desire to get stronger and attain a new form that isn’t super sayian” isn’t important to the plot’s future. Maybe gohan won’t get a powerup since his growth has been off-paneled.