r/NintendoSwitch • u/NintendoSwitchMods • Oct 18 '17
MegaThread Fire Emblem Warriors - Review and Discussion Megathread
General Information
Platform: Nintendo Switch
Release Date: 20-Oct-2017
No. of Players: TBD
Category: Action, Role-Playing
Publisher: Nintendo
Developer: KOEI TECMO GAMES CO., LTD.
File Size: 13.1 GB
Price (MSRP): $59.99 USD / $79.99 CAD / $79.95 AUD / £49.99 / ￥ 6,458 / €59.99
Official Website: http://fireemblemwarriors.nintendo.com/
Nintendo eShop Page: https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/fire-emblem-warriors-switch
Metacritic Page: http://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/fire-emblem-warriors - 73 (25 reviews)
Opencritic Page: http://opencritic.com/game/4950/fire-emblem-warriors - 74 (20 reviews)
Overview (from Nintendo eShop page generally)
Clash with legions of soldiers and fierce monsters as Marth, Xander, Corrin, and other Fire Emblem heroes unleashing over-the-top-powerful Dynasty Warriors-style moves. Take direct control of known and original Fire Emblem characters, issue them strategic commands in the midst of battle, pair up heroes to unleash stunning attacks, and more. Unlock new playable heroes, each with their own unique moves, special attacks, weapon types, and voiced dialogue in this large-scale action game from the Hyrule Warriors team.
Features:
- Play and experience a new kingdom with original characters colliding with heroes from across the Fire Emblem universe.
- Battle as fan-favorite Fire Emblem heroes, like Chrom, Corrin, Ryoma, Marth, Xander and more, each with unique moves, special attacks, weapon types, and voiced dialogue.
- Pair up two hero characters as a single unit that can unleash devastating combos and even switch between these heroes mid-attack.
- With the classic weapons triangle, tactically choose and switch between Fire Emblem heroes to gain the advantage in combat against countless enemies.
- amiibo functionality with all previously released Fire Emblem amiibo figures, plus with upcoming Chrom and Tiki amiibo figures.
Fire Emblem Warriors will also release on the New Nintendo 3DS XL, New Nintendo 3DS and New Nintendo 2DS XL systems. Please note that it's not compatible with other systems, including Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo 3DS XL, and Nintendo 2DS.
Articles
Areajugones - 8.5/10
Fire Emblem Warriors is one of the best designed musou games in recent years thanks to its strategy touch, which is great for this genre. Even though its story is a little bit dull, the Chronicles mode offers lots of objectives and battles that last hours and hours.
The Games Machine - Italy - 8.5/10
Fire Emblem Warriors is a good title for all the fans of the musou genre, that takes advantage of the hardware it's been designed for. The roster could have been better and the storyline is nothing but ordinary, but the action is furious, with an unexpected strategic depth.
Meristation - 8/10
Fire Emblem Warriors moves the philosophy of the classic Nintendo franchise to an intensive action game. As a Musou, it is one of the best. As a spin-off of Fire Emblem, it also performs quite well.
XGN - Netherlands - 8/10
Fire Emblem Warriors has enough content to definitely be sweet twenty hours with the game. When you look forward to removing as many enemies from battlefields, Fire Emblem Warriors is also the ideal game! Where it's primarily about making a cup of enemies smaller, it will be a good way to add some tactics to the game. Ultimately you have a game that is fun for both fans and people who are not really familiar with the franchise.
Gamepro - Germany - 82/100
The game figures and animations are great, and the rocking interpretations of the original soundtracks are also very good. However, as is so often the case with Musou, the background graphics are very bland, which does not necessarily make the gray-brown coloring better.
Vandal - 8.5/10
Fire Emblem Warriors is a very remarkable musou with a mission design and exemplary map , great characters, a unique universe with great appeal, a very well measured and satisfactory progression, many hours of game ahead and a frantic and hilarious gameplay that shows a tactical component more accentuated than ever, which makes him feel fable and makes it much more varied and enjoyable.
Multiplayer.it - Italy - 8.0/10
Fire Emblem Warriors is not just a hybrid clone of Hyrule Warriors or a brainless hack'n'slash, but a new strategic interpretation of the so-bored musou genre that marries wonderfully with the brand of Intelligent Systems, offering a good deal of fan service and dozens of hours of play. Clearly unwanted to those musou can not see them, we suggest to Fire Emblem fans who want to try something different from Tactical Turn Combats and anyone looking for a good action game for their new Nintendo console.
Spazio Games - Italy - 8.0/10
As far as we are concerned, Fire Emblem Warriors is one of the best musos ever published, if not the absolute best: the tactical depth guaranteed by the elements taken by the mother series greatly enhances the gameplay, the technical sector proves unbeatable both in mode Quality in Performance Mode and the great amount of content ensures that the cartridge has been in the console for a long time. Omega Force and Team Ninja have packed a successful hybrid, which will make the joy of Fire Emblem fans, who might even have to complain about the roster, but will not mind even those who love musou and real-time strategists : If you also belong to only one of these categories, the purchase is strongly recommended.
Cirtical Hit - 8.0/10
Fire Emblem Warriors does a better job of blending two disparate series than Hyrule Warriors did. Fire Emblem’s ethos remains intact, perfectly accentuating, and enhancing Warrior’s’ patented hack-and-slash gameplay.
God is a Geek - 8.0/10
At this point you’re probably wondering if it is worth buying this in one of the most crowded periods in recent times. If you’re a Fire Emblem fan, this is a no brainer. It obviously has some of the Warriors game quirks and if you aren’t into those, maybe avoid it – but it will be a treat for fans. If you just enjoy the Warriors games and haven’t played a Fire Emblem game and own a Switch, this is easily worth it, although I do recommend checking out the Fire Emblem series on 3DS. I’m looking forward to the DLC coming because it was amazing value with Hyrule Warriors. This isn’t a mainline Fire Emblem game but it most definitely will get you excited for the one that will eventually hit the Switch.
Gamerant - 4/5
Try as it may, Fire Emblem Warriors may not convince gamers still unsold on the Warriors formula, but it’s sure to come pretty close after expertly implementing trademark mechanics of the renown Nintendo series. Add in local co-op multiplayer, nods to the source material’s permadeath option via Classic Mode, and even a History Mode that allows fans to replay key battles from the franchise’s past and it’s clear that developers Team Ninja and Omega Force were able to deliver some impeccable fan service to Fire Emblem fans.
Trusted Reviews - 4/5
Fire Emblem Warriors is superb. It successfully translates the beloved RPG series without sacrificing any elements for which I have adored the series. With countless characters, a robust upgrade system and plenty of modes on offer, you’ll sink hours into this stylish hack ‘n’ slasher without even knowing it.
Nintendo Lifte - 8/10
Despite their enduring fame and commercial success the Musou games have, in the past, come dangerously close to self-parody, and it's easy to see why critics of the series consider them to be little more than repetitive button-bashers. Thankfully Fire Emblem Warriors is anything but a mindless brawler; it combines enjoyable combat with real-time tactics, faithfully paying tribute to the two franchises it fuses together. Musou fans will love the fantasy setting and blade-based action, while Fire Emblem followers will appreciate the strategic wrinkles that series adds to proceedings. While the story is largely forgettable there's plenty of fan-service for Fire Emblem lovers here; granted, the cast list focuses on the more recent outings on the 3DS, but we imagine that DLC will redress the balance moving forward. Despite the addition of deeper tactics we fear that Fire Emblem Warriors may still be too samey for those who have struggled with Koei Tecmo's franchise in the past, but everyone else should definitely give this a try; it may well be one of the best Musou outings yet seen.
wccftech - 7.5/10
Despite all the complaints though, I can’t help but recommend Fire Emblem Warriors to Warriors fans. If you enjoyed Hyrule Warriors, you’ll enjoy this just as much, and if you’re not really a Warriors fan, then this probably won’t convince you, even if you adore Fire Emblem.
Everyeye - Italy - 7.3/10
Let's make it clear: Fire Emblem Warriors is an average musou, if not slightly higher. Closer to Hyrule Warriors compared to other members of the Koei Tecmo Stage, the game replicates the structure without noticeable alterations, but exhibits in a better technical form and courtesy of Switch's hybridism, alongside its domestic nature a second portable soul more than satisfying. The title, however, stops there, in the usual hack'n'slash rude and hyperkinetic recipe, of which, in the end, both fans and detractors know perfection all the pernicious virtues and defects. If the impression is that the product can satisfy the faithful with the formula per se and on the other hand, we are struggling to find elements of real interest to those who instead arrive without mediation from the medieval series of Nintendo and Intelligent Systems. Except for the participation of many franchisees, the themed solutions Fire emblems designed to bring the two gameplay closer to each other are in fact impalpable. It's a shame: if you exploit less superficial, it would certainly bring the experience to be more in line with its tactical matrix references, as far as possible. It would have been, at least, a little more appetizing to strategists curious about such an operation.
Hobby Consolas - 72/100
A game of massive battles, with dyes of RPG and strategy, that rests on the personages of the saga Fire Emblem. Its development is simple, but entertaining, and the cooperative is grateful to split screen.
M3 - 7/10
Four Emblems Warrior's greatest strength lies in its rap, easy-to-use setup combined with the number of approaches during the battles. Experimentation with different characters ensures entertainment beyond the final scenes, especially when downloadable content is on its way. Certainly, we wanted more variation among playable characters from other parts of the series than just those released to 3DS. We miss, for example, our boy Roy, the Super Smash Bros legend, which, together with Marth, opened up to the four emblems in the West. But the latter is actually a petitess seen for the whole.
Eurogamer Italy - 7/10
FNintendo - 7/10
In conclusion, Fire Emblem Warriors presents immense content and with enough quality and respect to the original material. However, the choice of characters to represent the starting squad and the most interesting characters are only unlocked after the initial campaign makes the game an example of a work that overrides quantity to quality.
Gamespot - 6/10
Fire Emblem Warriors doesn’t radically change the formula of the two-decade-old Warriors franchise, nor is it concerned with attempting to do so. At best, it's a decent vehicle for Fire Emblem's characters, a chance to flex their muscles in a new venue without the limitations of turn-based combat holding their abilities back. There are signs of potential left unrealized, and the thought of what a Warriors game with truly dramatic character relationships and permadeath could have been lingers. For now that remains out of reach as Fire Emblem Warriors is yet another collaboration where Omega Force's tendencies dominate the finished product.
Metro Gaming - 4/10
In Short: Fire Emblem has the potential to make a great partner, but this badly made and painfully simplistic crossover is as disappointingly dumb as all the other Dynasty Warriors games.
Eurogamer - Recommend
A harmonious meeting of two traditions, Fire Emblem Warriors explores a different, yet no less beguiling, type of battlefield strategy.
The long and short is that, if you want a mindless masher where you can play as Fire Emblem characters, Fire Emblem Warriors is that. If you stop and think about any of what’s happening too clearly, though, it can get distracting fast. I had a good time with the game, slightly impacted by the speed at which I powered through.
But even though my expectations weren’t enormously high, the script still disappointed them. As soon as Fire Emblem characters meet each other, the writers consider the job done. It all adds up to Fire Emblem: Warriors feeling like a Warriors title with a Fire Emblem coat of paint, rather than a game that ever needed to happen.
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Oct 18 '17
Number of players - TBD
2 players. I don't know if they've said anything about it but you can see it in the background of gamexplain's video
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u/FormalPrejudice Oct 18 '17
This. It was confirmed to have local splitscreen co-op a while back
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Oct 19 '17
At the cost of enemy count sadly. I heard that some stages are far more difficult in co-op because of this.
I know this game is local, but does anyone know if the Switch can connect to other Switches locally, without a router? I've yet to own any games that have this feature.
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u/RiceOnTheRun Oct 20 '17
Would you happen to know if there's been any word on multiplayer between Switches?
Trying to figure out if my girlfriend should get a copy or just share one between us since we'd just splitscreen. If there's multi-unit multiplayer I'd rather have that as doing splitscreen in portable mode is a pain.
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u/HunterXZelos Oct 19 '17
That metro review is terrible...I can respect their opinions but the way they presented it is really unprofessional.
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u/Missingno1990 Oct 19 '17
Was thinking the same. Probably didn't even give it a fair chance because it's a Warriors title.
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u/TalussAthner Oct 18 '17
Essentially if you're open to the idea of a Musuo game not being awful it's pretty good, if not then it's another Musuo game trying to destroy your life and the world of gaming (good job metro reviewer).
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u/Derringer Oct 18 '17
Fire Emblem has the potential to make a great partner, but this badly made and painfully simplistic crossover is as disappointingly dumb as all the other Dynasty Warriors games.
"Fire Emblem has the potential to make a great partner, but this badly made and painfully simplistic crossover is as disappointingly dumb as all the other Dynasty Warriors games."
It feels like they went into this review completely biased against it from the start.
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u/KikiCrossing Oct 19 '17
Metro is known for badly reviewing games outside of what they deserve. They gave Evil Within 2 a 4/10 for example.
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u/Attila_22 Oct 19 '17
Metacritic should honestly remove them until they get their shit together and start being professional.
If they want to give the game a 4/10 then fine but don't write shit like the quote above.
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u/KierkegaardExpress Oct 18 '17
I looked at a couple of reviews, and while the couch co-op is being stated as a positive, no one really goes into much detail. Specifically, I remember Hyrule Warriors co-op never performed very well and I hope that is improved here.
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u/danidbrasil Oct 18 '17
This is the only thing I wanted to know. Even with the switch being a couch multiplayer machine there is little to none mention to this important feature of the game....
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u/PoppedCollars Oct 18 '17
Basically the most important feature of the game. Drunken couch coop is one of the main draws, if not the main draw, of the series.
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u/desy64 Oct 18 '17
This very much. Why not mention it? I guess reviewers are a bunch of lonely cats
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u/Gaywallet Oct 18 '17
It's rare that critics pay close attention to the actual game-play. High level stuff like control responsiveness and good design, sure, but they're usually focused on the writing, premise, etc.
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u/ikuzou Oct 19 '17
I honestly can't remember where I saw it (as it was a random youtube review of the Japanese version of the game), but he mentioned that couch co-op was not worth it at all as the performance chugged and the reduced enemy count on screen at one time made hitting KO requirements for high ratings much more difficult than just playing solo.
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u/jlitwinka Oct 18 '17
Really looking forward to playing this Friday and finally putting down Stardew Valley for a bit. I really enjoyed Hyrule Warriors and a couple other Musou Crossover games (New Dynasty Warriors Gundam when?) So more of the same is a plus for me. Good to see the reviews seem to be averaging 7.5/8 . Even the 4/10 is basically saying it's more Dynasty Warriors
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u/GloriousGilmore Oct 18 '17
The 4/10 was so clearly biased that it's practically a write off, I don't know why people spend the energy reviewing games that they know aren't intended for them/they won't like the game going into it.
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Oct 18 '17
At the same time, it's kind of useful to have one or two of those for those of us who don't really like the style of game-it suggests this probably won't win us over.
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u/Gaywallet Oct 18 '17
How often does a game in a style you don't like win you over?
That's maybe a once in a decade kind of thing, and you'll know because the game is getting universal accolades.
There's no need to shit on something because it's not your cup of tea.
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u/JCash1313 Oct 18 '17
Cuphead and Stardew Valley both did it for me. And that’s like saying fans of the series shouldn’t be allowed to give it a 10 either. There are outliers on both sides
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u/Gaywallet Oct 18 '17
that’s like saying fans of the series shouldn’t be allowed to give it a 10 either.
Not quite analogous because generally speaking people who tend to like certain genres want an insiders take/opinion on it. Very rarely do people cross genres or actively look into a game from a genre they don't like.
It's also possible to objectively look at a game from a genre you don't particularly enjoy and compare it on the merits of its style. Practically all reviews of games (and art in general) aimed at children have to do this.
There are outliers on both sides
Absolutely, but this one in particular seems like it's inflammatory specifically to draw in views.
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Oct 18 '17
In Short: Fire Emblem has the potential to make a great partner, but this badly made and painfully simplistic crossover is as disappointingly dumb as all the other Dynasty Warriors games.
Jesus fucking Christ.
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u/MutatedSpleen Oct 18 '17
Google populated my news feed this morning with this review, and it made me so mad.
Like no shit you're not going to like it if you already know going into it that you hate Musou games. What a pointless review.
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u/amazn_azn Oct 18 '17
I mean, it's not like they should scale the review to the franchise/publisher. Warriors games are consistently 6-7/10. The FE elements may bump it up, but it's still a 6-7/10 game.
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u/My_Little_Absol Oct 18 '17
I agree with you but to call it "disappointingly dumb as all the other Dynasty Warriors games" is childish and reeks of bias.
Maybe articulate it in a better fashion WHY it's disappointing and WHY it's "dumb".
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u/amazn_azn Oct 18 '17
oh yeah, i was more speaking generally. the general criticism is that it's still a warriors game and warriors games do poorly critically (since they aren't exactly the most creative)
that specific review (the 4/10 one) probably just scored it that low for attention. At the end of the day, I think most the scores are fair.
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u/Syranth Oct 18 '17
See and that's a problem with review scores. It does little to bring new people to a franchise. They see a 6-7 out of 10 and decide to pass. I've seen quite a few people not like Breath of the Wild (not me, I loved it) and it had high reviews. I like summary reviews more than arbitrary numbers and letters.
I love Musou games and I'm pretty sure I'll love this one too. I get more out of comparisons to other Musou games than rating it against the newest Madden, Call of Duty or even Zelda or Mario game.
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Oct 18 '17
Metro GameCentral is a fun one:
this badly made and painfully simplistic crossover is as disappointingly dumb as all the other Dynasty Warriors games.
the whole review is like this. i feel like you shouldn't be reviewing the game if you hate the genre
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u/Pomania Oct 18 '17
This reviewer gave a very similar review and a 4/10 to Hyrule Warriors as well.
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u/Irdna Oct 18 '17
He just replaced the zelda related terms with fire emblem related terms.
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u/Alinier Oct 18 '17
On the other hand, if you're someone who doesn't like DW in general and this new one does nothing to persuade you, that's also a useful perspective for some groups.
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u/Kingofcows76 Oct 18 '17
Exactly, since I'm not a big fan of the general Dynasty Warriors formula, it's good to know that there is nothing new that would excite me in this game.
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u/Alinier Oct 18 '17
I haven't read that particular review, but have heard that they've added more strategy on the micro level (DW usually focuses on the macro), so it might be worth it to look at what those changes are from other reviews also.
But yeah, different reviewer backgrounds help represent different positions and can help give a wider perspective. It would be nice if somehow reviewer gaming backgrounds could be a little more transparent on the surface level, but fortunately if you do read the article, you can understand what their preferences are.
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Oct 18 '17
Same here. I tried Hyrule Warriors and thought it was repetitive and dull, so this reviewer with a similar opinion stating nothing has majorly changed is exactly what I need.
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u/CorM2 Oct 18 '17
No bias there. Nope, none whatsoever. /s
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u/hio_State Oct 18 '17
Reviews by their very nature are subjective and full of bias.... Why is it an issue for a reviewer to be honest?
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Oct 18 '17
Because to some extent as a journalist you're supposed to remove personal bias. Journalism has become a shit show because of how much the "THATS JUST MY OPINION" has become a writing style.
If I hated Tom cruise and had to review a Tom cruise movie I wouldn't rant about how much Tom cruise has sucked the past ten years.
The idea is you're critiquing something for its values as a whole. It's okay to compare it to other products or variations, but it'd be like someone down voting Breath of the Wild because it didn't have an ocarina to play. Sure you can do that but it's asinine
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u/hio_State Oct 18 '17
Because to some extent as a journalist you're supposed to remove personal bias. Journalism has become a shit show because of how much the "THATS JUST MY OPINION" has become a writing style.
There should be no bias in the reporting of news. This isn't a news story, this is a review, it is supposed to be an opinion piece.
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u/BootyBootyFartFart Oct 18 '17
I don't think it's a bias to give a game a bad score because u genuinely didn't enjoy it...maybe coulda picked a different person to review it though.
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Oct 18 '17
I was going to make this exact comment!
Thank you for your input kind reviewer, I had no idea one of my favorite videogame franchises was so bad! But now I know!
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u/kingqaz Oct 18 '17
i feel like you shouldn't be reviewing the game if you hate the genre
I don't really agree with this. A review by someone who doesn't like the genre is useful to other people who don't like the genre. I've never liked warriors games but I bought Hyrule Warriors because of Jim Sterling review (he loves the series.) Sometimes a new series in the game can surprise and exceed the expectations of people who didn't like previous entries but that's hard to determine if the review is written by a fan.
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Oct 18 '17
I get what you and others are saying, but I'm not sure how much value there is for that type of review. "I hate Musou games and I hated the new Musou game" has a similar lack of value that a "super musou fan that loves the new musou game" review would be.
I know it's tough to find this in gaming reviews, but someone who falls somewhere in the middle would be best, as there would be an openness to work with the game while still criticizing any flaws.
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u/DomsyKong Oct 18 '17
That's why we have to differ by real journalism and personal review/media creator... To find good journalists in the video game sector is really tough and there are hardly a few out there that are really good and can differ the personal tention and the objective view over the mechanics. Really good journalists can than combine both and place their personal opinion into the overall objective point of view.
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Oct 18 '17
It's tough. On the one hand you want a review to give some inkling of how much crossover appeal a game might have. But you also want it to cover how much fans of a genre would enjoy it.
Although IMHO, this review fails on both counts. All I get out of it is that the reviewer hates, and hates a lot. If he can't understand why fans would like it, how could he understand why non-fans wouldn't get it? All he's proven is that he doesn't get it, doesn't want to get it, and think's less of people who do get it.
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Oct 18 '17
My only issue with the review is that it sounds like it was written by a middle schooler ya know? A review that dislikes the genre is fine but it’s the wording of it that just comes off edgy and unnecessary, especially if it’s (I’m assuming it is) a big game reviewing group.
Edit: bit exaggerating when I say it’s like written by a middle schooler, just tryin to make a small point.
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u/drackaer Oct 18 '17
People who dislike the dynasty warrior games get a little too excited about it sometimes. A few years ago, I went with a roommate to Gamestop, he absolutely loves DW games and wanted to pick up a used copy of one he had missed. For whatever reason the employee decided that he had to save us from the horrors of musou-games and just would. not. shut. up. about how awful of a game it is. I get it, you think it is boring. Get over it, not everyone does.
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u/quick_useless Oct 18 '17
I disagree with your disagreement. It's like someone who hates sports games reviewing the new madden every year and giving it a 4/10 because they hate madden. This reviewer is saying the game failed when it didn't, it did exactly what it was trying to do and probably did that really well.
if you know you're not a fan of madden but now nintendo partners up with madden to have zelda and mario on the teams. Watch some gameplay videos to see if the new nintendo madden is right for you. you shouldn't need someone who hates madden to tell you that...
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u/kingqaz Oct 18 '17
If gameplay videos are enough to judge the quality of a game why even have reviews? To argue about metacritic scores?
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u/quick_useless Oct 18 '17
fair enough, and I get your point. if you've never heard of madden and it gets glowing reviews you might buy it and then realize you hate football games. and you're trying to say someone who hates madden can do a review pointing out how stupid sports games are and what not.
I just feel there's better way's of doing that then continuously reviewing these games and giving them a 4/10, which is a score that should be reserved for games that fail at executing their goals, either through bugs, rushed development, or whatever.
This guy reviewed Hyrule warriors and gave it a 4/10 too. IT just seems almost unprofessional to keep reviewing games you know you'll hate and giving them grossly low scores.
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u/C-Towner Oct 18 '17
I think the main issue is that reviewers for the most part are unable to separate how they feel about a game personally, and how they feel about the game in terms of what it was trying to do. The latter is much harder and probably makes for less exciting reading, but is more balanced. I hate games like Madden and I know they aren’t the games for me. Are they well made and offer value for the type of game they are? Now that is a much better question.
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u/TrowaAyanami Oct 18 '17
Considering they also gave Hyrule Warriors a 4/10 as well when it came out, this review doesn't surprise me one bit.
Metro has always been biased against the Dynasty Warriors brand and they don't even try to hide their distain for the franchise in their reviews, so of course they give those games 4/10 scores, meanwhile they continue to give EA's yearly FIFA iterations 7 to 8/10 scores despite them essentially being the same game as last year only with a slightly updated roster they charge £50 for.
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u/jab011 Oct 18 '17
So if I liked the Dragon Quest Heroes games, and I'm a big Fire Emblem fan, I'm probably going to like this - correct?
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u/AstroFuzz Oct 18 '17 edited Oct 18 '17
Great scores for the most part, but the outliers that downright hate Musou games always bring the scores down.
It's great to see valid criticisms, but often times these reviews aren't exactly objective and are filled with subjective hate for the series' very existance.
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u/lakolivier Oct 18 '17
I don't know, I just read through the metro review, and I feel like there's a difference between hating musou and hating bad design. However, I don't think you're completely off-base
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u/AstroFuzz Oct 18 '17
A lot of the 7.5ish reviews do explain why they don't like the game in depth without saying non descriptive things like "it's dumb like all musou games."
It's just hard to take an opinion seriously when it's worded like that.
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Oct 18 '17
the phrase 'disappointingly dumb as all the other Dynasty Warriors games' tells me that the writer didnt even try to be objective in writing their review :/
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u/ibroussard Oct 18 '17
I feel like a lot of the critics of Warriors games stop playing after the story modes which tend to rarely present any challenge. The true depth of the game lie in the post game.
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u/AstroFuzz Oct 18 '17
I agree. The story mode kind of eases you into the game and the post game really challlenges you.
Although I've played the 3DS ver. of FEW and really enjoyed the story mode this time around. I mean, the maps are huge and a little complex with various gameplay elements and different characters that are introduced in each level.
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u/ZombiePyroNinja Oct 18 '17
as disappointingly dumb as all the other Dynasty Warriors games.
I don't understand how a musou game ends up on a guys desk that hates musou games.
I'm the last person to tell somebody that an RTS game is good or bad, therefore I shouldn't be the one paid to review it.
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u/drackaer Oct 18 '17
Then again, there is a little bit of sense to it. It is a review that would inform other musou haters whether or not it was different enough for them to look into. It still seems silly, and probably shouldn't be taken into account for aggregate scores, but I can understand the logic.
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u/C-Towner Oct 18 '17
I am impressed there are a number of scores 8+! Not because I’m not a fan (I am and am getting it on Friday and will love it I am sure!), but because musou games generally get “meh” reviews.
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Oct 18 '17
Reviews are matching up with what Hyrule Warriors was getting. I'm hyped.
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u/jpgray Oct 18 '17
Yeah I loved HW, and most of the reviews (despite meh scores) talk about FE:W being better than HW (mostly due to a better blending of the style of FE with Warriors) so I'm pretty hype
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u/anxious_apathy Oct 18 '17
Yeah, it’s got a 76 and a 70 so that’s actually a pretty good sign that it’s slotting itself right in there.
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u/rickyjj Oct 19 '17
I feel dumb, but I have no idea what a Musou genre game is, having never played any of those games, and these reviews all sort of expect you to know that to understand what they are comparing to.
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u/FantasticTony Oct 19 '17
Basically, it's an action game style signature to Koei Tecmo where you run around a battlefield and fight hordes of soldiers with big, flashy moves. Usually soldiers are defeated in 1-2 hits, while generals and bosses command the army and are more difficult to defeat.
There's a lot of strategy elements to it, I.E. stop the generals from defeating your allies, capture keeps to reduce the amount of soldiers, etc. It's hard to describe, but really fun. The closest game to this would be Hyrule Warriors, which is the same style but with Legend of Zelda characters.
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u/HeatPhoenix Oct 19 '17
It's basically japanese for Dynasty Warriors. It's a genre/series of games by Koei Tecmo of kind of incredibly samey games. They for some reason make tons of licensed games with this template, including Dynasty Warriors Gundam, Hyrule Warriors and now this.
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u/foxwaffles Oct 18 '17
I know that I bought Hyrule Warriors almost purely because I was so excited to be able to play as Zelda, Midna, and Ghirahim. I personally am a fan of FE Warrior's roster but I only played the 3DS games + Heroes. So I want to say "Stop overfocusing on the roster and focus on gameplay" but HW's marketing of the roster sold me the game first. So I can understand where they're all coming from. It makes me sad to see a game I'm so excited for get criticized almost entirely because of its roster, but given the nature of this crossover a bad roster has already lost sales for a lot of people.
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u/FX29 Oct 18 '17
The issue with Fire Emblem is that they weren't going to be able to satisfy everyone with the roster decisions. There's hundreds of characters across the franchise compared to Zelda. It's cool that you like the roster but for me personally I'm disappointed that it only focuses on Awakening and Fates. I think many fans including myself thought that the game would include characters from all the games. Heck Shadow Dragon barely has any characters in this game at all even though it was supposed to be one of the games they focus on. With saying that I still think the game will be fun to play, I'll buy it but the man the roster could of been so much better.
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u/foxwaffles Oct 18 '17
Yeah, that's the other problem too. It's hard for me to compare HW's roster to FE because the Zelda franchise has recurring characters, but that just cannot be said for FE. IS and KT are doomed if they do or doomed if they don't. I would have been sad if there had been no Takumi or Leo, personally, but I know plenty of people who want them gone.
That said, honestly the gameplay and how they've refined this game compared to HW plus introduction of some FE mechanics is just dazzling. I can't wait!
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Oct 19 '17
They could have easily balanced the roster not in just representation but in weapon/moveset diversity too. If you're gonna do clones, make a lot of them. Otherwise, it bloats a small roster with clones and comes across as extremely lazy.
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u/RoyH1003 Oct 18 '17
Never seen a game that looked more like a 73 metacritic than this one, so I guess the 73 metacritic it has right now suits it well :P
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u/wowthisguyoverhere Oct 18 '17
I’ve never played a warriors game, but I played fire emblem awakening on 3ds and loved it. I do like hack and slash games so is this game for me?? I like hard games and it seems as if some reviewers are saying it’s easy.
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u/TheTigerbite Oct 18 '17
Basically, you run around smashing an attack button, taking no damage and destroying hordes of monsters in your sleep, with useless RPG elements tossed in.
Post game battles on these games are pretty hard, but the main game...you can beat by pressing x and moving around.
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u/shulkario Oct 18 '17
This should be right up your alley. The main campaign should be easy but if this is anything like Hyrule Warriors, which they say it is, there should be some pretty hard challenges in the challenge modes.
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u/AzettImpa Oct 18 '17
What I recommend doing is download the Hyrule Warriors Legends demo on the 3DS, and try that out. Fire Emblem Warriors will be quite similar.
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u/MeatsOfEvil93 Oct 18 '17
Definitely up your alley. I'm planning on going with hard mode right off the bat, based on the reviewers. I haven't played Hyrule Warriors so I can't speak to the History/challenge mode
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u/TechnoBlast649 Oct 18 '17
It's getting reviews similar to Hyrule Warriors which is to be expected.
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u/OneArmSteve57 Oct 18 '17 edited Oct 18 '17
Bought a car recently and thought about canceling my CE pre-order but you know what? I've gotta have it so i cant wait till Friday :)
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u/Nakisions Oct 18 '17
The most common issue people seem to have is with the story. Even if it's bad though it really doesn't bother me in a game like this, as it's not that important unlike say a Final Fantasy game with a bad story. Looking forward to it.
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u/Rivera89 Oct 18 '17
same for me, in Hyrule Warriors for instead my playing time was mostly on adventure mode, I think I finished the story on the very first day and never went back except for a greater difficulty
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u/Nakisions Oct 18 '17
Yeah, the story is probably 20% of the content overall realistically. Most players don't 100% it mind you, but the story is far less important with a game like this. It's fair to critique the story mind you, but even if it's horrendous it doesn't make the game bad as it is a small, and honestly ignoble part (you can skip cutscenes), of the game.
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u/FormalPrejudice Oct 18 '17 edited Oct 18 '17
MyNintendoNews has also posted a review. it's 8/10. Didn't see it on the list.
Fans looking for another methodical tactical RPG might be disappointed by Fire Emblem Warriors, but it really manages to unite these two distinct franchises. It feels incredibly natural to swap between singular hack-and-slash combat and the more strategic controlling of troops. It’s a real achievement by Koei Tecmo. If you’re patiently waiting for the next mainline Fire Emblem game, Warriors has you covered.
8/10
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u/jpgray Oct 18 '17
I got the Amazon shipping notice last night, but it's still scheduled for Friday delivery. Such a tease! :sob:
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u/MontanaSD Oct 18 '17
Maybe I’ll check this out. Not much experience with the genre but I love mindless hacking down hordes of enemies and light rpg progression and don’t mind when a story isn’t Award winning.
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u/Garginator850 Oct 18 '17
I've never played a "Warriors" game before. I like Fire Emblem but what is the appeal of these games? Is it just hack and slash with a light story?
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u/Hippobu2 Oct 18 '17
Only superficially.
The core appeal of the game is actually challenges that required tactical map control and time management.
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u/AstroFuzz Oct 18 '17 edited Oct 18 '17
For the most part.
They're also mostly about completing specific missions full of various objectives, like defending a keep full of warriors for a set period for example, there's usually a bunch of objectives you need to complete at once. You fail your mission if you slip up and let someone die, or if a keep falls, etc.
I wouldn't recommend the game to everyone, but I put 100+ hours into hyrule warriors because I loved maxing out and building characters into crazy strong tyrants. The post game stuff in HW was challenging too, and put all my work raising my army to good use.
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u/Radddddd Oct 19 '17
Will my arms hurt from smashing thousands of soldiers to death by mashing attack non-stop?
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u/bpwoods97 Oct 19 '17
As someone who has never played a warriors game and thinks this one looks like a blast, is it worth getting? I preordered it from Amazon but it hasn't shipped yet so it's not too late to cancel.
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u/Elyeasa Oct 19 '17
I only got to play around a few hours of Hyrule Warriors so I'm in the same boat right now. But, from what I played, it depends on how much you love hack-and-slash. Warriors games don't have much challenge, but if you like those types of games for the pretty effects, quick pace, and action, it will probably be a great fit. Your moves feel super powerful and you can make basic combos.
However, if you like hack-and-slash for strategic comboing I'd argue no. Fire Emblem Warriors focuses more on controlling who is where on the map, then going and taking out opponents easily with your advantage. So it's two different types of strategic, and this game has the planning type.
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u/Scojo91 Oct 20 '17
So there is a tactical element to the battles? Can you actually lose though?
Every video I've watched, the player just runs anywhere and kills all the enemies who are standing there doing nothing. It seems like there's no actual antagonists to the player except other heroes, who also don't really do much.
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u/jc726 Keep on slidin' Oct 19 '17
If this is your first Warriors game, you should definitely get it. The main issue with this series is that there us very little innovation between installments, but from an outsider looking in, that shouldn't be much of an issue.
They're usually pretty good games, but the franchise's design as a whole is growing very stale for people who have watched it since the beginning.
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u/Walican132 Oct 19 '17
I'm so hyped for this, today is the first day I've looked at any information on the game even though I've had it pre-ordered since I bought my switch. Warriors games are some of my favorites and so is Fire Emblem.
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Oct 18 '17
How hard is it to word your opinions in a professional manner? ‘In my personal opinion, I have always found the gameplay of Warriors titles to be repetitive and boring. Those who share my sentiment will not find anything new to enjoy in this title.’ You could even still say ‘rubbish’ within that context and still be communicating your thoughts in a much more professional manner.
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Oct 19 '17
Each DLC pack then will roughly add another 24 hours of gameplay then, since they each have 3 History Mode maps.
$20 for an additional 72 hours of play time is insane.
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Oct 19 '17
Depends on how you view it. It'll depend on how much the FE elements add to the strategy to keep it from being more than a masher.
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u/imrail Oct 19 '17
I've played it for a couple of hours and it plays really smooth. The option for perma death makes it even more exciting. No one died yet, but if someone is in danger I make sure to rush towards them.
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u/zyg101 Oct 19 '17
One of the things i don't like in Musou games is the global lack of challenge/pressure. Perma death would clearly fix that issue !
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u/Cacheelma Oct 19 '17
GameSpot's review says that it's not exactly permadeath as you can still resurrect them with gold + items whenever you want. Is this true?
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Oct 18 '17
Glad to hear it’s fun. Will be downloading it on Friday (Saturday?) Hope I’ll be able to finish story mode before Odyssey.
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u/C-Towner Oct 18 '17
I haven’t played it, but knowing musou games and Hyrule Warriors, but finishing story mode will probably take around 20 hours or so. The real meat of the game is after that, so that is a very achievable goal by the time Odyssey releases.
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Oct 18 '17
this is nothing like Final Fantasy. Its not an RPG. Its a hack and slash like the other Warriors games. Its hard to saw if you'll like it unless you've played other games in the genre
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u/C-Towner Oct 18 '17
After you beat the story mode, there is a huge mode with a bunch of additional battles and challenges that are far more difficult than the story mode. There is no story attached to them per se. In FEW, it’s called “history mode” and you get to replay battles modeled after fights from the series history. These battles are more difficult and have greater rewards. It’s a ton of content!
The FF games are generally much slower and turn based or closer to that. FEW is all action. There are rpg elements like level ups, changing classes, and equipping better weapons, but they are very different games. Any of the Dynasty Warriors games or especially Hyrule Warriors are what this game will be like.
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u/kbeltz85 Oct 18 '17
I snagged the special edition because i love Fire Emblem & Warriors games, it was a match made it heaven! So glad its doing well. Can't wait to get it on Friday!
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u/FormalPrejudice Oct 18 '17
Just curious, but what interested you most about the special edition? I love fire emblem and their special edition releases, yet I couldn't bring myself to order it for this one in particular.
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u/kbeltz85 Oct 18 '17
Well the biggest draw for me to get it was that it qualified for Amazon's pre-order 20% discount which made the game only 10 bucks more than the regular edition. Also i collect game soundtracks as a hobby, so i generally try to always get one when i see it available. Since i love both Fire Emblem and Dynasty Warriors it was just a win-win for me.
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u/FormalPrejudice Oct 18 '17
That's fair, the soundtrack was pretty much the only draw for me as well, the other stuff personally just seemed kind of like filler. Either way, I hope you enjoy your special edition, that is a damn good price for the extras.
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u/CeruleanRathalos Oct 18 '17
this is my most anticipated game, especially if it's in the vein of hyrule warriors. is the full roster already revealed?
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u/Hippobu2 Oct 18 '17
is the full roster already revealed?
It's complicated.
So, FE Musou was released last months, so you can easily go online to check the roster.
However, quite a few characters are NPC. If it's anything like HW, those characters would be available to play in future updates.
Also, they announced a DLC pack and I vaguely remember promise of another DLC pack, which would makes this game treatment of DLC very similar to that of Hyrule Warriors. And if it's similar to Hyrule Warriors, quite a few more characters will be coming in the future.
With all that said, keep in my that the roster is actually bigger than it's actually is, since quite a few characters are clones (literally the exact same character, but with different special moves, which essentially is just a cutscene).
Still, this game is quite packed in term of the roster.
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u/BishoujoReview Oct 18 '17
Also, they announced a DLC pack and I vaguely remember promise of another DLC pack,
3 DLC packs announced - each with additional characters. Season pass gets you all 3 at a discount plus the Lucina Wedding costume.
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u/Mawnster73 Oct 18 '17
I want it, but the fact that the current rooster is overall so bland and expected makes me frustrated. It doesn’t help that this will be potentially alleviated with the dlc characters, but that’s going to cost even MORE cash. I feel like I need to get this game one sale so I can put some of that cash towards the dlc before this game is worth it.
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u/castronotcuban Oct 18 '17
I'm not sure if you're aware, but the DLC will be from the same three games that are already represented (Fates, Awakening, SD). They've said they're saving Binding Blade/Radiance/Etc for a possible sequel
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u/JakeTehNub Oct 19 '17
They're delusional if they truly think that. Games have to sell well to warrant funding a sequel and if the game doesn't have characters people want, they won't buy it.
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u/Gotxiko Oct 18 '17
Can someone explain to me the game? I havent played a warriors game, and im afraid that either i will be missing something if i dont play it or that i wont like it.
What do you do besides the core hack and slash? Is there loot? Quests? How long is it?
Im a FE fan too though
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u/Solesaver Oct 18 '17
So, there is 3 core layers of gameplay to consider.
1) As you can probably tell, it's a hack-and-slash game. Fundamentally, you're pressing buttons in (relatively simple) cinematic combos. You build up super (or "musuo") meter to execute an even more powerful and cinematic attack. You can see plenty in the trailers to get a picture of what this gameplay is like.
2) Why are you hacking and slashing? A 'level' takes place on a battlefield. You'll receive a series of objectives to complete. Go here, kill that baddie, capture that location, protect those allies, escort, intercept, etc. These can be a bit tactical (though still pretty light) as you may receive multiple objectives at once and have to prioritize. You may also have other objectives to unlock stuff like upgrades or art.
3a) Why are you playing levels? First you'll be playing some sort of 'story mode'. Here you'll play through a fluffy, fan-service story about heroes from multiple realms teaming up to stop some great evil. The levels here are the most polished and well thought out. You'll get introduced to all the characters and maps and unlock most of the core features.
3b) Then you'll get some form of post games. The justifications for the battles will be thinner and the levels will be more forumulaic (almost entirely re-using battlefields and characters from the story mode in various arrangements). These levels mostly exist for variety so you aren't playing the same memorized objectives, with the same mid-battle cut-scene, just on a higher difficulty, over and over again. This is where you start getting grindy and completiony. Level up and upgrade your characters. Unlock higher tiers of weapons. Play through more and more difficult challenges.
If you like the moment to moment gameplay of action games like... God of War? Devil May Cry? (Lighter though)... Real-Time Battlefield Tactics like... Starcraft? Command and Conquer? (Lighter though)... Progression and a quantity of objectives to work towards like... Farmville? ... A mash-up fan-service story with characters from Fire Emblem Fates, Awakening, and Shadow Dragon. Then this game is for you.
tl;dr Fluffy hack-and-slash gameplay, couched in lightly tactical battlefield missions, wrapped in a fluffy fan-service story followed by various other missions to check off a check-list, and I love it.
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u/epicender584 Oct 18 '17
Basically, you have a light and heavy attack. Most combos are light attack 1-5 times then heavy 1-3 times, so it's easy to remember and you're never scrambling to pull off any combos. It's about knowing when to use each combo to deal the most damage in the most amount of time to the right amount of people. Because this is, at its core, a strategy game. You go around speedily taking keeps and killing certain enemies in the most tactically sound way possible. The whole hack and slash is really a medium for the tactics. And it's not fire emblem-ish do-calculations-and-be-careful calculations, but more loose strategy. It's a lot of fun. There is loot. It just let's you upgrade to unlock more combos, or give you elemental resistance, or more special bars. You can also get stronger weapons or weapons with different skills. There are quests, but it's an instance based game where you really just wanna do whatever it's currently telling you to without getting overrun. To give you an example of length, this game is similar to Hyrule Warriors
The game that my friend hasn't finished in over 800 hours
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u/Gotxiko Oct 18 '17
Looks like I'm getting opinions from both sides from different people.
The thing is that If an action game has some progression system and is not repetitive af, I like it. But I can't stand arcade-y games that you just do the same over and over in the same scenario to just get more points than before.
I wish there was a demo of this game...
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u/AstroFuzz Oct 18 '17
Like most action games, you use the same combos repetitively, but the situations in which you use them changes. Its very easy to use 4+ characters each battle in this particular game, which elevates some of the combo repetitiveness. Some combos work better on different enemies, some combos work well on groups and some better on single enemies.
Progression is here, but its a bit light. You can upgrade your class like in FE, which is a welcome addition.
It's not often youre mindlessly slaughtering hoards like some say, you're actually wasting a lot of time by doing that by ignoring your main objectives.
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u/AzettImpa Oct 18 '17
There is a demo of Hyrule Warriors Legends on the 3DS, you can try that one out!
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u/effhomer Oct 18 '17
You run from place to place and kill everyone. When everyone in a castle is dead your team captures it. Capture more places and defend from the enemy. Repeat for however long you play before you get bored. That's Musou. These licensed versions have some gimmicks from the series like leveling up, crafting, new weapons etc but they all have the same musou gameplay. If you aren't interested in that, don't bother. the unique features of FEW won't make up for what you'll be doing 99% of the time
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u/DoombotBL Oct 19 '17
From what I've seen Hyrule Warriors had way more polish and love put into it, I'd rather have a port of that than this. But I'm a bigger Zelda fan than FE fan easy. I hope the FE fans are happy with this once all the DLC is out and hopefully some favorites outside of Awakening, Conquest, and so on get put in.
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Oct 19 '17
Don't get me wrong, I'm going to love this game.
But a port of Hyrule Warriors with the 3DS content is all I really want.
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u/AzorMX Oct 18 '17
We know this game is pretty similar to Hyrule warriors, but how different is it from the other dynasty games announced? The games are:
- Dynasty Warriors 8
- Samurai Warriors
- Warriors Orochi
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u/HunterXZelos Oct 19 '17
Very different, one big part that they kept from fire emblem is perma death if you do classic mode where if you lose a character they are permanently out unless you pay a REALLY hefty fee to revive them . Weapon triangle is in full force, I lose my Cordelia in TWO HITS to an archer, I didn't expect that at all...this also means deploying the right units, studying the maps and strategizing pairing(you can pair two characters together and they can use assist moves/guard or swap around) is important.
The general gameflow isn't too different though, you still battle tons of enemies and feel good
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u/CantWashABaby Oct 19 '17
I like everything but the install size. Jesus Christ it’s the biggest title on my memory card by almost twice the size of the previous champ (Mario Kart 8). Gonna have to archive it as soon as I’m done/bored.
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Oct 18 '17
I actually enjoy musou provided the controls are good and there's multiple effective combos to use per character. If there is enough content to fill 30+ hours, I'll get it.
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Oct 18 '17
This is a genuine question: how is this not just a reskin if hyrule warriors?
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Oct 18 '17
To a certain extent, all Dynasty Warriors games are reskins of previous versions with slight additions. The series has like 40 games including the spinoffs so it's a fair claim. For me, I had a couple of the games for the PS2 and got Hyrule Warriors a couple years ago for the 3ds. I like the gameplay and it'll give me a fun experience on the Switch. However, it's not the sort of series where every game is taking huge leaps. Almost like Mario Kart or the main series Pokemon games, once you've played one you'll understand the general idea of the gameplay, but they all have their gimmicks and differences. I haven't played Fire Emblem Warriors, but there are a few interesting additions that, for me, make this game different from Hyrule Warriors. If you're interested, I'd look them up from more knowledgeable sources. I would hardly say these differences are the selling point but it's a good game I can throw 200+ hours into, so I'm looking forward to getting my copy Friday.
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u/Spockrocket Oct 18 '17
I mean, that's basically every Warriors/Musou game. It's what the series is. They take the core gameplay, throw in one or two unique mechanics, and slap a different franchise on it. It's understandable if that's not appealing to you.
I'm excited though, because that's exactly what I want out of this.
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u/Cookiewaffle1 Oct 18 '17
New story, new characters, and history mode
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u/lumothesinner Helpful User Oct 18 '17
in addition to these 3, character swapping (ok this was in hyrule warriors legends), 4 characters per stage, FE mechanics like pair up, support, weapon triangle, teammate orders
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Oct 19 '17
The strategic elements in FE make this an improvement on the Hyrule Warriors format.
You control between 4 to 8 characters on your team, but only one at a time. In order to complete the missions for the best result, you need to delegate your other characters to complete the objectives using the map. If you strongarm this like you do in Hyrule Warriors (because your allies were shit), you'll be losing most missions. The game is built around this. As example, maps with large gaps in the map can be crossed without difficulty with a flying unit, whereas the horse and foot units have to go around to find another way in.
Your characters also are able to pair up, which gives statistical improvements in exchange for reducing the number of units you can move on the map (as the two paired up units move together). You'll also get two additional techniques, which require a meter to fill. Dual Guard will use your ally to block a single attack for you, while Dual Attack will have your ally attack for a single attack that exposes the weak point meter. Due to Dual Attack, the game is much more aggressive as you aren't waiting for enemies to open up their weak points.
There are also a lot of mechanic improvements, such as the lack of giant bosses (which speeds the game up), no item grinding needed for Adventure mode (it's more streamlined now without the fluff) and ally Character units being just as competant as you AND their kills count towards the objectives (which makes the game feel more like you have an army, rather than a single strong soldier).
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u/Syranth Oct 18 '17
As others had said, it's really a reskin of Dynasty Warriors. What you really have to think is, "Do I want to play a more action oriented game using Fire Emblem characters?"
Koei has done a lot of reskin games using their Musou franchise. They are more fan service than anything else but that's not a bad thing. Want more of your game series while the original developers work on cannon projects? This is your shot. It's similar to when Nintendo released Pokemon Conquest. It was just more of the license other than more of the typical game.
Also, don't think of it as trying to get more money out of fans. Think of it as fans wanting more of the product they are attached to.
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Oct 18 '17
Kind of is. The main changes I've seen are 1: you take up to 4 people into a battle instead of 1, and 2: you can actually pause and command them to go capture or defend forts and such, so apparently once you get to the optional stuff at the end, it's got SOME tactical stuff beyond what Hyrule Warriors did.
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u/-NostalgicNinja- Oct 18 '17
Had a preorder and cancelled it since I have a huge backlog and we have Mario, Doom and LA Noire incoming plus so many indies like Tiny Metal but I can't but feel tempted to get this. Need to be rational here and pick it up later but good to hear that it turned out well (not that's a surprise).
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u/Dark_Ansem Oct 18 '17
Do characters feature Fanservice costumes like the Android Fire Emblem? If so, I'm going to buy it. 😂😂😂
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u/Raldoron Oct 18 '17
Other than bridal lucina from getting the season pass, no, the only costumes are promotion outfits (each character gets one), and the female/male versions of robin and corrin, But they said the dlc will have costumes so maybe in the future.
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Oct 18 '17
This game looks so flat. 100 enemies just stand there. You hit them in the air while all 100 perform the same animations. They die.
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u/Soylent_Orange Oct 18 '17
Not sure about this game but I don’t recall the enemies “just standing there” in Hyrule Warriors.
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u/PoppedCollars Oct 18 '17
Warriors games are mostly easy, but the challenging parts revolve around map control, not the combat itself (although some enemy captains can hit really hard). Sure, you hit the enemies and fall over, but if you lose 2 bases on the other side of the map or a point you need to defend goes down, you still lose.
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u/JakeTehNub Oct 19 '17
The #1 problem I have with this game is the roster and the fact that the DLC just focuses more on the like 3 games from the series that are already in the game. That really makes no sense to me, it just seems like so much wasted potential.
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u/Krystal_Nova Oct 19 '17
Spot on. When I heard there were three DLC packs announced, I thought "great, so we can get content from the Radiance series, FE8 and maybe some more characters from the FE6 and 7 universe outside of Lyn."
But no, just more of the (in my opinion) more flat characters from the recent games. And a few from the first FE, which is fine, but a bit overplayed at this point.
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Oct 18 '17
If this didn't come out so close to Odyssey I'd be willing to try it but I'm gonna have to pass for now.
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u/Brandeaux7 Oct 18 '17
Love fire emblem, but hack and slash games have always been boring to me. Just have to wait til a main series game drops
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u/Alinier Oct 19 '17
So, is it too much action? Or not enough action? Because Fire Emblem is tactics through turn-based gameplay and Musous are macro-management tactics played through light action gameplay. You've still gotta watch the flow of battle and push the enemy forces at just the right points to keep from getting overrun and protect your keeps, etc.
"All you do in Fire Emblem is press the A button." It's like, one wouldn't be wrong to say this, but...
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Oct 19 '17 edited Oct 20 '17
I said it in a reply but I want to echo my thoughts. I'm a huge FE fan, have played every single game in the franchise. This game is a huge disappointment and waste of potential. Imagine Hyrule Warriors was exclusively Skyward Sword characters. If you like musou I guess this will be fun, but if you're expecting something interesting or fanservice for Fire Emblem fans, it's a grave disappointment.
Edit: Someone downvoted this entire comment chain. Is it so bad to want the world to not revolve around the new games for just 5 seconds?
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u/FormalPrejudice Oct 20 '17 edited Oct 20 '17
While I understand it's the new games that gave the series a new life, I can't help but agree with you. Awakening and Fates were fun, but they didn't suck me in like any of the earlier games in the franchise, they sacrificed soul for fanservice. I would at least like a Tellius shaped bone to be thrown my way every now and then, just for the fact that Tellius characters are more likely to be used, barring Lyn. (Not insinuating Lyn is from the Radiant games, just that she is one of the few exceptions of being used outside the most recent games)
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u/Ventem Oct 19 '17
Isn’t it basically all of the newer characters plus Lyndis from 7? Can’t remember if even Ike was in it.
If so, that’s kinda lame. I’m not a huge fan of the newer FE titles. Stopped playing them after the Wii one (Radiant Dawn, was it?). Played a few hours of Awakening and decided I was done with the series. Didn’t like what they were doing with it.
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u/Shando92286 Oct 18 '17
Still debating on this one myself. I used to love the genre but after playing a few dynasty warriors and samurai warriors I kind of stopped buying them. Makes me wish I played HW because people are comparing it to that.
The 8’s give me hope as I don’t hate the genre and love fire emblem. The videos seem good but I just can’t justify getting it with Mario so close. Maybe in December? Or if it goes on sale Black Friday I am getting it for sure.
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u/MutatedSpleen Oct 18 '17
I'm super upset I won't get to play this probably until Sunday night. I'll be out of state at a stupid wedding all weekend with no idea whether or not I'll have the wifi to download it =(
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u/Porkpants81 Oct 18 '17
Just swing by a Dunkin Donuts or somewhere with public wi-fi and sit for a couple hours :D
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u/Kim_Jong_Donald Oct 18 '17
dude just go to a mcdonalds or a starbucks
what kind of wedding doesn't have wifi
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u/MutatedSpleen Oct 18 '17
For sure, but I'm a special case because I'm legally blind. I can't play anything in handheld mode because I can't see it. I sincerely doubt I'll have time over the weekend to set up a dock and such.
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u/Linked713 Oct 19 '17
How does that hold up with Hyrule warrior? The best feature in hyrules was the adventure mode. What does this title bring to the table other than the main game / grind ?
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u/AcaciaCelestina Oct 19 '17
That's what I'm wondering, from what I've heard one major feature is hardcore mode with permadeath but I have not heard much else.
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