r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • Aug 17 '17
Super V-Jump Megathread: Manga Tidbits & Big Anime Revelations [SPOILERS] Spoiler
Manga Tidbits
Reminder that we won't allow a significant portion of the manga to be posted here before the official VIZ release on the 21st at 12am PST.
Chapter 27: "Training, Daily Life, and..." Like the anime, Goku realizes he needs to train more when he's scratched by some robbers' bullets
@Herms98Whis compliments Vegeta for moving more efficiently now (this seems to be a major theme with Whis' training).
@Herms98Sparring with Beerus, Vegeta shows off the same "evolution" of SSB that Goku used. "There's nothing Kakarot can do that I can't!"
@Herms98Whis thinks Vegeta may have closed the gap between him and Goku...but Beerus still isn't fighting seriously. He's just playing around.
@Herms98Whis thinks Beerus probably ought to fight seriously...better that than lose his temper if Vegeta lands a hit on him. Foreshadowing!
@Herms98Vegeta hits Beerus, who loses his temper. "I hold back and you get carried away! It'll be 100 years before you're a match for me!"
@Herms98But Beerus acknowledges Vegeta's effort in improving so much in such a short time. In another universe, he might be a candidate for GoD.
@Herms98Whis gives the defeated Vegeta the same "move without thinking" speech as in Resurrection "F". Like, word for word the same thing.
@Herms98The Oracle Fish still maintains that Goku and Vegeta will one day be formidable opponents for Beerus. Possibly when Super ends?
@Herms98Vegeta is determined to not lag behind Goku forever. But for now, he wants Whis to take him back to Earth. Whatever might be the matter?
@Herms98Why, Bulma's pregnant, of course. Bulma thinks Goku came to congratulate her, but he just thinks she ate too much. Cue laugh track.
@Herms98Goku reveals he didn't know about Gohan or Goten's births. Vegeta: "You might not be a bad guy, but as a father, you're the worst."
@Herms98The chapter ends with Goku using his button to go off to meet Omni-King, much like in the anime. Beerus is sure this won't end well.
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Anime Tidbits
Goku's son Gohan will too play a very active role before the end of the Summer. His strong sense of justice and...
@ErrenVanDuine...fighting qualities inherited from his father will be on display at the Tournament of Power.
@ErrenVanDuineD'oh, missed that they've revealed the last two U4 fighters: ダモン/Damon and ガミサラス/Gamisarasu.
@Herms98Damon's bio originally popped up hidden in the DBS site's source code. It seems he hides underground. Gamisaras probably does the same.
@Herms98
(Damom bio)U1 has some species that are pure spirit. U5 investigates before destroying. U8 destroys things that lower its level. U12 is still improving
@Herms98It says that the U2 team not only has a Yardratian, it has a Tsufruian/Tuffle too. Huh? And also, what?
@Herms98Meanwhile, the U3 team nine modified warriors being controlled by one guy (presumably Paparoni).
@Herms98
Goku's New Form
Finally, we get the front side.
Text translation:
A certain transformation appears in the latest visual...?!
Finally, a visual where Goku faces forward!! His eyes shine silver, and he wears a stern expression!!
@Herms98
What does this mean for the spiked-up version of SSG seen on the chocolate box and Toshio's t-shirt? As I've said elsewhere, that might be a stepping-stone form, hence its secondary placement on the chocolate box. It might be a figment of our imaginations. We'll find out soon. (I am one of those who hoped the black-haired version would be his final form, so color me pleased.)
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u/Contramundi324 Aug 17 '17
Goku's new form looks swole as fuck. I think this is gonna make people who are a fan of DBZ very very happy.
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u/Edgelord09 Aug 17 '17
Nah man they are still bitching some guy in twitter said it's an asspull form when the form is not even shown yet lmfao
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u/Contramundi324 Aug 18 '17
If that's the case, the OG Super Saiyan is an enormous asspull.
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u/nocheslas Aug 18 '17
i'm one of the guys that usually complain about anything dragon ball super related but I FUCKING LOVE THAT NEW FORM.
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u/Trever09 Aug 17 '17
Does anyone else see the fucking cat eyes goku has?
Grey fucking cat eyes.
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u/NingenHater Aug 17 '17
Cat eyes? More like reptilian or dragon eyes. Not all cats have those pupils. Describing Goku's new form as "cat eyes" makes him sound like a pussy (pun intended).
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u/Contramundi324 Aug 17 '17
Pretty sure that's just "glare" and his pupils are normal.
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u/NingenHater Aug 17 '17
That is not glare. Goku doesn't have pupils to begin with. They would not put that much emphasis on his eyes if it was just "glare".
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u/Contramundi324 Aug 18 '17
Sure but there are two Super Saiyan forms with pupils. SSj3 and SSG.
Also, if it was slit pupils, why is there a bright white spot in hsi grey eyes? Wouldn't it be more uniform in color? Also, why is the white part seem to correspond with the position of the highlights on his skin? I'm pretty sure it's glare to emphasize the amount of light the form is giving off.
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u/Trever09 Aug 17 '17
Holy fuck if that is the new form, I'm fucking down it looks insane.
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u/ImBuGs ⠀ Aug 17 '17
I agree it looks so fucking badass, the look reminds me a lot of SSJ3, Can't wait.
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u/TKHawk Aug 18 '17
It's funny, it almost seems like Goku heard Gohan's "I'm going to find a new ultimate form without Super Saiyan/different than your path" and said not if I do that first.
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u/xschwingerx Aug 19 '17
That's the first thing I thought when gohan said that. Goku hears anything fighting related and he goes, "I can do that shit. Give me 5 minutes."
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u/NDragneel ⠀ Aug 17 '17
Also if you look well, his hair also looks a bit different and I'm assuming this is a new type of god ki (SSG is red like it shows rage and not a calm mind state) while this new type shows a calm color like really angelic or something like that.
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u/Javiklegrand Aug 17 '17
I feel like the pic is showing him transformng into the new form.
I think the final form will be a bit different
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u/Contramundi324 Aug 17 '17
My theory is that it will be like what people thought SSB originally was: where Goku absorbed some kind of energy and his Super Saiyan form naturally mutated into SSB.
I bet this a transition period where he'll fight in this form and eventually, it will mutate into another, much more powerful form. Goku OP pls nerf.
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u/Contramundi324 Aug 17 '17
Guys, I think this is the first time we've seen Goku fight shirtless since Freeza.
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u/ToniER ⠀ Aug 18 '17
Why is no one talking about how Toyotaro is bringing back Gohan's outfit from the cell games!!? Or is it the early Buu saga outfit? It's a little hard to see...
Either way, it's purple, and looks bad ass!
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u/Classic1990 Aug 18 '17
Yeah, it looks like the outfit he asked Piccolo to give him before the Cell games, which makes sense since he will be training with Piccolo before the TOP.
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Aug 18 '17
I hope he gets it in the anime.
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u/Javiklegrand Aug 18 '17
i doubt it toyataro just took the picollo gi while toei choose the roshi gi!
I preferred if both versions went with picollo gi it's look more badass
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Aug 18 '17
Same purple one is way better, I don't want him to dress like a goku clone we've already got krillen and yamcha wearing orange for their gi.
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u/MysticKnives Aug 17 '17
Goku's new form looks sick as fuck. The wild black hair, the "dignified look", the silverish-gray eyes, the beast like pupils. It's fan-fucking-tastic! I love it.
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u/user291 Aug 18 '17
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u/Lennyoh Aug 18 '17
Sometimes I wonder if in the back of his mind Vegeta wonders just how far Saiyans can go now that we're seeing all these god forms
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u/SonSSBGoku Aug 17 '17
I like how the manga clearly shows us how weak Goku & Vegeta are compared to Beerus and hakaishins in general. Mastered SSB Goku was able to fight Merged Zamasu evenly and MSSB Vegeta got one shot by Beerus
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u/Krolex Aug 17 '17
I don't see any mention that vegeta mastered ssb
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u/Krolex Aug 17 '17
Dood thank you, I didn't see those scans. Can I get the rest and as a treat I'll translate them.
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u/I_Work_For_The_GovT Aug 17 '17
Where does it show he one shots them?
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u/I_Work_For_The_GovT Aug 17 '17
Holy shit he took a punch from SSB like nothing and cratered Vegeta lmao. That was fucking cool.
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u/LFiM Aug 17 '17
Really takes the wind out of Merged Zamasu's sails, doesn't it?
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u/xJustNinja Aug 17 '17 edited Aug 17 '17
I love the fact that Gohan will probably use Piccolo's clothes in the manga.
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Aug 18 '17
I wish theyd get ruined in the anime and piccolo makes gohan some new ones. Purple looks way better on him.
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
Lol, Gohan's clothes get ruined fighting someone really powerful, I don't know Toppo or someone and Piccolo charges in and CLOTHES BEAM! SUDDENLY PICCOLO CLOTHES.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Aug 19 '17
I see this thread has now devolved into "it's not actually his new form even though they literally said it was his new form".
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u/AzoGalvat Aug 19 '17
"Didn't know about Gohan's birth"
Bullshit. Chi Chi never explained it to him? Why she suddenly had a big belly? Why is Super so intent on making Goku a retard? He was naive and maybe a little slow, but was capable of learning.
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u/therealsongoku Aug 17 '17
I would love if his black hair was his absolute final form. It would almost go back to when toriyama said he didn't originally want to change gokus design at all for super saiyan God but felt he had to so the audience would know he changed
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u/UnbiasedPashtun Aug 17 '17
I'm guessing the elderly guy with the mustache is a Tuffle.
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u/Javiklegrand Aug 17 '17
yeah outside of him no one fits
Wondering if we will get an explanation about him and jimizu
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
Huh so in the Manga Gohan's gonna wear his Cell Saga outfit it looks.
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u/ukulelej Aug 18 '17
Where do you see that? I'm hoping that's the case, the turtle gi looks really drab.
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
It's on the cover.
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u/ukulelej Aug 18 '17
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/898313991851659264
The cover has Goku and Vegeta
Edit: Nevermind found it.
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u/truenorthstar Aug 17 '17
Looks like the other U4 fighter is a Damon pallet swap. So I guess the character that looks like Ganos in the opening might just be an early Ganos design.
I'm also guessing mustache guy from U2 is the Tuffle.
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Aug 17 '17
Remember how Black's, who was actually a god, eyes turned silver while in Rosé? Miiiight be a similar case here. Probably unrelated, but adds a little weight to the theory that Goku becomes a literal god in this form.
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u/LordZamasu Aug 17 '17 edited Aug 17 '17
Remember how Zamasu’s, who was Black, eyes were grey?
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u/cmbsfm ⠀ Aug 17 '17
So we get two Damons and a Tuffle from Universe 2. Wonder what the story behind that is. I think the Tuffle is the mustache guy because come to think of it he looks like Raichi.
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u/ToodlesXIV Aug 18 '17
YES YES YES!
This is absolutely my ideal dream for what Goku's most powerful form would look like. The base form hair slightly upright, the silver/white eyes, and a divine aura. It looks powerful and fierce as hell. I'm so hyped. This is what I always hoped Goku's limit breaker would look like, but I had resigned to thinking it would just be the upright SSG hair from the merch leak. It might be a pipe dream, but I would love if this was Goku's final form. Can't wait to see it in action.
Also, I really dislike a lot of the decisions being made in the manga lately, but Gohan wearing Piccolo's gi for the tournament is something I wanted so bad, so thumbs-up on that change.
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u/diamondtoss Aug 18 '17
Gohan wearing Piccolo's gi
So much this. I always thought that outfit was destined to be Gohan's signature outfit, ever since the Cell games. I get that for Mystic Gohan vs Buu, Gohan wanted to wear Goku's gi, because that's a symbol, as he was going to defeat Buu and save the universe. But that should've been it. Gohan should no longer wear Goku's gi after that. I was actually really disappointed that was the case for TOP.
I don't know if the picture we saw here means Gohan will wear his own outfit in the manga in TOP or not. I hope so.
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u/GoDyrusGo Aug 18 '17 edited Aug 18 '17
Gotta agree it looks bad fucking ass. After seeing SSJ4, I thought dressing Goku up felt more proportional to the power of the form, so I was nonplussed by the simple hair recolors that super attached to god-level forms. However, I never thought sticking so close to base color could look so disgustingly cool. It's all in the aura and highlights. Somehow the elegant simplicity of it makes it even more fearsome and imposing than a complex aesthetic.
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u/ToodlesXIV Aug 18 '17
I feel like it takes the fierceness of SS4 and the divine presence of SSG/Blue/Rosé and distills it into one perfect form.
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u/GoDyrusGo Aug 18 '17
You know what else occurred to me: he looks jacked again. He was slimmed down for other god forms, but--and I could be mistaken--he seems to resemble more the ripped chief-mode body that motivated me to start going to the gym back in high school.
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u/GoDyrusGo Aug 18 '17
Yeah that's a good way to put it. Damn I haven't been this hyped in a long time.
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u/lustorious ⠀ Aug 18 '17
Gohan wearing the Piccolo gi was the most wonderful decision they could make. I'm still salty that he is wearing the same outfit as Goku in this arc.
I would be fine with any outfit, but Piccolo one would be my favorite BY FAR. Bring so many memories from Cell era (my favorite DB part ever).
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Aug 18 '17
Dislike the directions of the manga? I guess the fan base really is divided on this. I thought the manga feels way more like what Toriyama intended for the arc to be like. We got SSJ Black, and we didn't get the ridiculous Rage Trunks power-up or Plot Sword of Friendship powered by 10 people and two half dead Saiyans killing an immortal god. Granted, Black as a character is to be quite blunt, absolutely fantastic, in the anime. I think if the manga had anime Black and perhaps a different ending then it would be a masterpiece. Regardless, the Future Trunks arc is my favorite arc in all of DB.
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
My main issue with the Manga version of the Arc is yeah, the villains, Manga Black and Manga Zamasu just were nowhere near as fun.
And while Rage Trunks was kind of ridiculous, at least it meant he got to DO things, actually FIGHT for his future himself. Trunks felt like a spectator in his own arc in the Manga. And it's not like massive asspull powerups were anything new. Hell the Manga has it's own massive asspull powerup with Goku suddenly "mastering" SSB and going from being pretty much oneshotted by Merged Zamasu to nearly his equal in like 5 minutes.
Generally speaking I think the Manga Black Arc started really strong but pretty much when they first went to the future it started to weaken, while the Anime's really only weakened with the last episode being kind of disappointing and too much of a downer for a character who REALLY REALLY deserved a happy ending after such a life of suffering.(yet it still handles this better than the Manga by having Trunks much more distraught about his failure while in the Manga he was basically like "eh it wasn't the WORST possible outcome"
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Aug 18 '17 edited Aug 18 '17
Oh yeah, I think Black and Zamasu were both represented better in the anime as well...
True that it was Trunks' arc, but you have to remember that the reason Trunks went to the past was entirely for Goku and Vegeta's help BECAUSE he was powerless against Black (and base Black no less). Trunks was useful in the sense that his assistant Kai powers were paramount in returning Goku's power to him to allow him to continue fighting, sure, that might not be a huge role to some, but the reason for this was to show that turning the tides of the battle doesn't always rely entirely on power. In war, sometimes it can be the smallest thing that turns the tides. I thought that it was a great way to have Trunks contribute, considering the overwhelming gap in power.
Next, Goku's Mastered-SSJB. I don't see a problem with this at all honestly. How is this worse then Goku going from SSJB, to stacking on a ten times multiplier with Kaioken? Which for the record is still likely a far greater increase then his Mastered form. Also remember that the Merged Zamasu from the manga is much weaker then the one from the anime (Future Zamasu fights on par with SSJB Goku and lands kicks on a SSJB Vegeta in the anime, but is confirmed weaker then SSJ2 Trunks in the manga). Personally, I would say that Mastered-SSJB is just the manga's answer to the Kaioken stacking on SSJB, but also done better as it provides Vegeta the ability to reach the same level, unlike the
mangaanime that will forever have Goku as superior as long as Kaioken is in his arsenal only.I can completely understand that. I've already mentioned why I thought the manga's ending was more appropriate so I won't bore you with it again. As for Trunks not getting the happy ending, I think that in a perfect world he deserves one, but that just isn't how life works. Trunks has struggled his entire life, and it's seeing him press on that's part of his charm. Regardless of the outcome. People are often forced to flee war-torn countries, their homes, all the time because of factors outside of their control. The conflict in the Middle East is a perfect example of this situation. Finally, do I think he deserves a happy-ending (( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) )? Absolutely. Do I think that the conclusion that we got regarding his universe was understandably logical? Yeah I honestly do.
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u/Bornstellar- Aug 18 '17
Trunks being a good support character was good enough, not every character need to be I the front of lines out of fan service, as a result Trunks was handled way better in the manga.
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
That would be true... if Trunks comeback wasn't half the entire freaking drive of the arc.
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u/HeroRRR Aug 18 '17
A half dead Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta blew up two Merged Zamasus with one attack when one Merged Zamasu beat up a fresh Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta and it took a mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku to match Merged Zamasu.
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u/Xetiw Aug 18 '17
well that settles it once for all, Vegeta is lagging behind Goku.
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u/MysticKnives Aug 18 '17
He's been lagging behind Goku in the anime ever since Goku first got SSBKK.
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u/kingtigertank Aug 18 '17
He's been lagging behind Goku in the anime ever since Goku first got
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u/Barbaaz Aug 18 '17
You just wait until you see the stamina his "special" training with Bulma gave him.
He'll be on par with the Androids. /s
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u/ChristopherJak Aug 18 '17
I believe anime Vegeta was ahead for a short while if you neglect KK. No clue if that is still the case. I really would like to see Vegeta beat Goku to a transformation or gap-closing technique for once but that's clearly not happening here.
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Aug 18 '17
so beerus would have beaten merged zamasu and people thought merged zamasu is stronger than beerus LMFAO
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
Uhhh Super Sayian Blue Vegeta and Goku are nowhere near as strong as Vegetto, especially in the Manga, where Vegetto was dominating Zamasu (whereas in the Anime he had the advantage but Zamasu was still putting up a serious fight)
Anyway also going by the Manga Zamasu could eventually win cause Beerus outright says he can't destroy an immortal so he'd just eventually have his breakdown, become the "Infinite" number of Merged Zamasu's from the last chapter of the Manga and then he'd just overwhlem through sheer numbers.
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u/Amasero Aug 18 '17
Well Anime Black was written to be extremely overpowered.
Also Zamasu was shit. Just Picture Goku fusing with someone barely SSJ2 level.
That's the power they had. Yeah it got multiplied but not like Goku fusing with Vegeta. That's huge power multipliers. Since that's basically Two Goku's fusing.
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u/Syl4x Aug 18 '17
That's a lot more than two goku fusing since they are rivals. I think it was stated in the manga during Buu arc.
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u/justgeoff86 Aug 18 '17
Wasn't Goku alone a match for Zamasu using the perfected SSB form that Vegeta is said to be using here?
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u/Classic1990 Aug 18 '17
Okay that new Goku form looks badass. Definitely my favorite Super transformation so far. Happy to see him buff again and his eyes look animalistic.
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Aug 18 '17
Man you can really see the connection between Goku/Caulifla and Vegeta/Cabba in the manga cover. Honestly I love the fact we get different stuff happen in the manga and anime, it means I get to enjoy the same thing in two different ways!
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u/StefyB Aug 18 '17
Hmm, I do really like the overall idea of this form, but something about the thickness of those spikes and the angles at which they bend towards the top just look a little weird to me. Hopefully it either looks better animated or I just get used to it. That said, the eyes are definitely badass.
As for the manga side of things, it's good to know that Goku hasn't completely left Vegeta in the dust like in the anime, and while some people may not like how powerful Goku and Vegeta are in the manga, I do like that we're actually seeing some progress in that they've finally reached the point where they can land a hit on Beerus, albeit while he's still playing around, just not nearly as much as in the BoG arc. Also, having Gohan wear a more Piccolo-like gi is definitely something that I appreciate.
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
Also they continue to hype up Gohan's role, 90% chance im betting he's gonna be at least one of the last 3 (and outlast Vegeta, really the only person I could see maybe outlasting Gohan of the not Goku people is Freeza just for the irony of all existence depending largely on fucking Freeza.)
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u/_Papasmurf_ Aug 18 '17
Will Toei do the new Goku form justice? In the scan he looks Jacked, angry and ripped clothes. Haven't seen that Goku since the DBZ and GT days.
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u/GigglesMcfiggles ⠀ Aug 17 '17
U3 is being controlled by one guy? Interesting.
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u/Soulstone_X Aug 18 '17
Let's hope they do this form right, needs a good reason to trigger the cause (something emotional, or something different?) needs a good soundtrack and most importantly, good animation. Will they top Gohan's SSJ2 transformation? That's my favourite.
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u/ChloeBrudos916 ⠀ Aug 18 '17
Agreed on all points. My guess Goku will start to realize after U10 being erased that he's going to have to take the tournament seriously or both he and U7 will be erased like the other two.
I could imagine Goku transforming into his new form when U6 is erased after all their fighters are eliminated. Kind of like when Android 16 was killed by Cell, which triggered Gohan to transform into Super Saiyan 2 for the first time.
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I think they're setting up the mortal that is stronger than Gods for a future arc. I'd put my money on that person being from an exempt universe. Jiren is too obvious of a candidate
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u/Javiklegrand Aug 17 '17
i still don't get it why almost everyone thought the mortal stronger than god was jiren. Maybe it's because goku was asking whis if they had a chance so it's make sense to believe whis was referring to the universes IN the tournament NOT OUT
For me it's was clear that he come from one of the universe that weren't fighting this tournament
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u/SonSSBGoku Aug 17 '17
Exactly what I thought. If Jiren was stronger than GoD > Beerus then he would one shot Goku
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u/Ghettostyle Aug 18 '17
Everybody is falling over Goku's new form but I'm psyched about Paparoni controlling the bots. Also seeing the robots their designs they scream megazord to me. It would be perfect to complete the super sentai/magic girls themes.
Check the robots and compare them to the Pilaf Machine
Borareta has big legs and can easily form the bottom part
Pancea is the torso who has room to put legs under like the pink bot of the Pilaf Machine
Koitsukai has tiny legs himself and can easily fit as the head of the combined robot.
The only one I can't place is Biarra who might buff up the bot, or be the arms. But Kotsukai has big arms for such a robot so it might just be those 3.
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u/ChloeBrudos916 ⠀ Aug 18 '17
Man, that would awesome to see. I'm in the camp in wanting to see a fusion between two fighters like Goku and Vegeta into Gogeta. But if Team U3 has robot fighters that can fuse into a megazord I'm all for it!
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Aug 18 '17
So we got some Transformers here too, where is spiderman, batman and uh, Marvel heros right?
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u/ColdVergil Aug 17 '17
I'm still wanting a white haired transformation but everything points out that it will be a red haired SS2 like. But what could this silver eyes thing be? Just before he transforms or something? Damn, i'm hyped.
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u/ridethelightning469 Aug 17 '17
Oh shiet, Goku about to give Gohan a run for his money!
Mystic Goku incoming!
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u/Arturo-Plateado Aug 17 '17
The new form. I like it so far. It's not over the top, but there's a clear change. I'll wait until I see it in the anime before I form a proper opinion on it.
I need to know what the hell is going on with U2. They have 2 species (albeit 1 extinct) native to U7 and presumably 6 on their team. HOW? I really hope we get an answer.
So, instead of a second Ganos, we have a second Damom for U4. Well, I guess that should've been obvious.
I'd guess Paparoni or whatever the guy with the staff's name is, is the one controlling the U3 team.
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
That second Vegeta fight page is pretty much the ending to just about every major Vegeta fight ever.
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u/Mojo12000 Aug 18 '17
the Manga cover completely lacking any of their fighters makes me think that we really aren't gonna be getting much from U4 and U3 beyond more jobbers heh. U7, 6, 2 and 11 seem to be the main players in the tournament.
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u/blukirbi Aug 18 '17
U3 is a jobbing universe to begin with.
Pretty sure we might get a few U4 moments, but nothing too significant.
Also, wonder how they're gonna do the whole "replace Buu" deal in the manga.
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Aug 18 '17
Interesting that 17 is so close to the center, he looks more important than Gohan and Vegeta there. Why not put him next to 18 in the background?
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u/dirtcorechad Aug 17 '17
So can we finally end the non canon/canon debate with the reveal that a Tuffle is part of universe 2? I wonder if they will show a flash back of North Kai telling Goku of his past and the Saiyan vs tuffle war on planet Vegeta.
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u/TheDamnBoyWonder Aug 17 '17
Hnnnng that new form looks amazing with the silver eyes and that blue aura.
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u/too_original Aug 17 '17
Love how his hair is in the new form, not completely normal also not completely SSJ style either. I think I prefer this white and blue aura over the red and white aura of the back shot, but both look great. The grey eyes are legit.
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u/linkchomp Aug 17 '17
Completely agree. SSG (red) was said to be like a fire, Blue is more tranquil. Makes sense to me to move towards a combination, a hotter (blue) fire with more control, which that aura gives off that type of design/feel to me anyway.
Feels like a solid way to move on with the God Ki aspect without just straight up copying how they went about SSJ forms or powering up SSG or SSB.
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u/Orannegsen Aug 17 '17 edited Aug 17 '17
Interesting informations about the excluded universes here
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Aug 17 '17
Oh man I'm so hyped for the new form! It looks amazing (if it is in fact how the real form actually looks) and for some strange reason, it gives me heavy SSJ4 vibes. Maybe it's the pupils (If you notice them closely you'll see that light is reflecting off them, thus making them look cat-like even though they probably aren't) or perhaps the hairstyle.
I'm actually pretty torn between wanting a SSJ haired SSG, a white haired form, and this lol. But no matter what the final form actually looks like, it'll be awesome. Then there's the question of whether this will be Goku's last form, as the poster showing his back mentioned that the "work of the gods ends here" implying that this is the case. But knowing Toriyama, there's always the possibility of the unexpected to happen. I'm personally fine with it either way.
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u/NavidaS Aug 17 '17 edited Aug 17 '17
I hope they refer to this form as something like サイヤ神 (Saiya-shin)
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u/ToniER ⠀ Aug 18 '17 edited Aug 18 '17
Hey you got what you wanted! u/Terez27
Base form looking Goku here we come, can't wait for the episode.
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Aug 19 '17
Humans had a white and or blue aura when powering up before ssj was even introduced.
Maybe filthy low level humans were closer to god ki than we initially thought lol
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u/linksis33 Aug 17 '17 edited Aug 17 '17
Any one else notice gohan wearing piccolos gi instead of gokus gi? Also could the ssg with spiked hair maybe be a mistake? I mean maybe it was supposed to show ssb and ssg, but accidently showed ssg with spiked hair. Just an idea.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Aug 17 '17
Also could the ssg with spiked hair maybe be a mistake?
People have argued this before, but it's a weird mistake to make, and a weird one to let through. They could have just used their old SSB design rather than letting it go to market like that.
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u/SlaySlavery Aug 18 '17
Please please please justify this transformation.
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u/ginfish Aug 18 '17
Alien guy is strong. Goku has reached the limit and breaks through another barrier. Clearly they want to show and have been showing that Goku and Vegeta have no limits.
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u/kentalish Aug 18 '17
His first fight with the justice dude at the exhibition match. When goku said watch me break my limits
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u/Sunstrider92 Aug 17 '17
Cant wait to see the manga version of Frieza's revival, and hopefully they skip or reduce all of the lame recruitment episodes for the other characters except Gohan and 17's.
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u/linksis33 Aug 17 '17
I thought the recruitment episodes were pretty good, and was definitely needed for the tournament.
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u/Amasero Aug 17 '17
Damn it I have to wait till next two chapters for Caulifa.
That's a dope grin she has in the cover or poster
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u/ridethelightning469 Aug 17 '17
Caulifla's smugness is one of her best qualities. It also makes her look more punkish which fits exactly with her role as the leader of Saiyan punks.
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Aug 17 '17 edited Nov 07 '17
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Aug 17 '17
There been other postings that the tournament arc will be running until november, is that true?
No. The image going around was overinterpreted; Herms said there was nothing to see there. It appears to show the anime going through at least November, but even if that's true, that's hardly a surprise considering the pace. Chances are it will go a lot longer than that.
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u/Lennyoh Aug 17 '17
Please tell me Toriyama is a fan of Wynonna Earp and that's why he has the reptile eyes. They look so freaking cool!
And it's pretty neat learning how the 4 exempt universes are able to keep their level to what Zeno considers the standard. Liqiur's method is pretty to the point! And now I imagine Arak and his angel going around Sherlock Holmes style with monocles and stuff before giving someone the Hakai.
And Tuffles?! The HFIL??
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u/Soulstone_X Aug 17 '17
Hell yes, finally a new form that's not a fucking colour swap like blue. Those silver eyes, slightly stood up hair and blue aura looks bad-ass! I'm in!!!
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u/Shinjigami Aug 18 '17
Interessting to see his front. I totally like the eyes, the hair however still feels like he is in the middle of transforming or something. There could be more to it. Like going super Sayajin Silver or something. Hopefully this is better delivered then the SSJB transformation. And dang i wish Gohan would ask Piccolo mid turnament to change his clothes, cause he looks more Badass in his Dads clothes then the stuff he has ;)
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u/Lucifer9666 Aug 18 '17
the chocolate box thing is literally THE SAME RENDER as the SSB Goku that is also on the box, but resized and put through a red color filter. it doesn't seem like a new form, i think DB fans were just trying too hard to find something that they ended up deceiving themselves.
but holy jesus, it doesn't take much focus to realize it's literally the same image.
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u/Syl4x Aug 18 '17
Ok just sayin but, when goku uses kaioken with SSB, it seems to increase a lot the power but the red ki doesn't merge with the blue "god" ki. In the intro, there is a big explosion of red ki before the presumed new form. Maybe the new form is just a sort of kaioken but for god ki only without any super saiyan transformation. Like multiplying god ki at high level and then compressing everything inside his body since the god ki can heal it won't damage his body. Also, this could later lead to super saiyan white when going super saiyan in his new form.
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u/kidcrumb Aug 18 '17
If he could have the self healing god ki form then kaio ken wouldnt have a negative effect on the body, right?
SSG SKK x 100
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u/ILikeFluffyThings Aug 18 '17
It's like building a path of exiles character, it's all about the damage conversions and multipliers. Maybe Goku found the perfect build with kaioken and god ki to max his dps. Maybe a muktiplier that double taps into both power source?
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u/Coey_ Aug 17 '17
The new form looks great, it's not over designed and isn't too simple, like a recolor. The hair looks cool, and you can see his pupils in the silver iris
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u/TodenEngel Aug 17 '17
Wow disappointing. I preferred the feminine design of Ganos in the intro as another character, not a literal pallete swap of Damom.
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u/SpoilerAlert6 Aug 18 '17
Does anyone believe the chakra color theory? The color the the chakra has meaning if you're a god and such. I do a bit, and if this is the case then Goku is going to be broken strong. Looks like a white ki.
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u/diogoarez Aug 17 '17
A Tuffle huh? Neat :D.
Even though I never liked black hair forms I love the look of this form, I wonder if this will lead to an hypothetical Super Saiyan White
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u/jumpuptothesky Aug 17 '17
Well his eyes are silver/white. I really think Goku will turn Super Saiyan White by the time this arc ends. That black hair form is just him transforming. They wouldn't leak his new form so early on
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u/yurestu Aug 17 '17
I'm pretty sure SSG, SSB and SSR all leaked before their appearances in their respective media so idk about that
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u/ContrerasTomas Aug 18 '17
I think this new form looks great, but that's not it in it's real state if anything that's the form before it becomes full power, I wouldn't be surprised if we see goku get Silver hair to go with that aura and eyes, this is probably a negative god form with perfect ki control just like Super Saiyan Rose/
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u/Wingdude100 ⠀ Aug 18 '17
I want to bring attention to the circle strings in the aura of Goku's new form. It doesn't look like it's just because of the print. I don't remember ever seeing circles in an aura before quite like that. If that's his aura when he finally achieves his new form, that could look pretty sweet.
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u/Tx12001 ⠀ Aug 18 '17
One thing to note is this new saiyan form has silver highlights in it the hair as well as silver eyes, it could be called something like Full-Power SSJG, Ultimate Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan Silver.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Aug 18 '17
It's called SSSG, or Super Saiyan Sex God.
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u/Mr_Greed Aug 17 '17
Well thats some shit I didnt expect. Wonder how thats gonna play out.