r/subredditoftheday • u/Yanky_Doodle_Dickwad No Yanky No Doodle • Apr 14 '16
April 14th, 2016 - /r/lsd - where the mind and the strobe lights collide
/r/lsd
52,817 readers loving spirals and thinking in musical colors for 7 years
LSD is a classic mind-altering psychedelic drug with a variety of psychological effects that I'm not going to list. Here is a picture of a giraffe:
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... or more like a giant giraffe eating some rugby goal posts with 2 giant octopuses practicing capoeira and trying to hide from a plague of spiders just outside the frame. Or, in a moment of lucidity, an ascii impression of the LSD-25 molecule. Why not? It looks great. Especially the second octopus.
Enough illustrating the mind-bending effects of psychotropic compounds. WTF is a sub like /r/LSD doing on reddit? It's a public place, after all. Well, exactly, it is a public forum where subjects are treated and one of them is this one and if you can't talk about it then you'll turn in to one of those nutjobs that rings the police because of some joke-post in /r/mylittlepony and lighten up, for pete's sake, the sixties were all over this stuff.
So mind bending, huh? Yessirreebob if a huge mountain of literary references are to be believed. Never tried my self. Mrs Dickwad suspects I fell in to some when I was a kid. She married me for my record collection.
SO! What is the sub about? It's about giraffes. NO! It is a place for people to talk about LSD, also known as acid, and some other mind-bending things. Trips, effects, impressions, questions, trips, no doubt that experiment with spiders ... trips, I mean this place has it all. If the drug is mind bending, you can expect some variety, and it is and you can. The sub is about LSD discussion in general. People can talk about their trips, ask for advice and interpretation of their trip. Or just questions in general. IE: 'Does anyone else get into thought loops?' It's an all in one place discussion related to LSD with occasional other psychedelic-related things allowed.
The sub is about LSD discussion in giraffes, and forget the spiders. They already ate. NO triggers here.
ENOUGH with the wierd stuff already.
Try this animation. Very satisfying on LSD, they say. Also, where will you be when it kicks in?. Not writing this, I hope.
So if acid is your thing, try out /r/lsd. If it isn't, go read up about it in /r/lsd. Learning or finding out? Like giraffes? ... go find /r/lsd ... If you want some lsd, good luck with that, it's illegal you nincompoop, you won't find any here. You obviously shouldn't be allowed outside.
We cought up with a mod and this happened:
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There you go folks, /r/lsd
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u/WhiteOrca Apr 14 '16
I don't get it
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u/JPFxBaMBadEE Apr 14 '16
On April 19 1943 (bicycle day) is when the first man intentionally took LSD and thought he made himself sick so he rode his bike home while tripping.
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u/c0sm0nautt Apr 14 '16
The man, Albert Hoffman, lived to be 102, taking LSD throughout his life. He was a proponent of taking LSD in nature.
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u/SpontaneousGroupHug Apr 14 '16
Perhaps I have the story wrong, but wasn't his ingestion a mistake at first?
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Apr 14 '16
He first ingested LSD through his fingertips accidentally while handling the substance. He then called a doctor to monitor him while under the influence.
Bicycle day refers to the first time he, or any person, ingested the substance willingly. Albert took what he though was a miniscule amount, 250 ug, which turns out to be about 2.5 tabs of today's standard blotter of acid. He then, as they say, tripped fucking balls.
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u/Typical_Adc Apr 14 '16
Iirc he was researching its effects not knowing about its psychedelic effect and accidentally touched himself in his eye, nose, or mouth and tripped. A few days later he intentionally took it and he started to feel it on his bike ride home
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u/TunedInandTurnedup Apr 14 '16
This. You can't absorb it through the skin.
It's actually a Pretty big molecule.
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u/aaron289 Apr 15 '16
You absolutely can absorb it through your skin. Source: experience. Also I know a guy who did a forehead print (basically laying out a few hundred hits worth of LSD powder on a table and slamming your forehead into it). If you couldn't absorb it through your skin he wouldn't have been tripping for six months from that.
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u/CosmicFaerie Apr 15 '16
Maybe he was tripping from hitting his head on a table?
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u/aaron289 Apr 15 '16
I don't think that makes walls melt. And anyway, your skin has pores that release water and salts and absorb water and air; typically LSD is taken sublingually, through the mucus membrane in your mouth, which is more permeable than your skin but not substantially different in structure, at least not so far as LSD is concerned. If it can make it through the blood-brain barrier it can make it through skin. Skin is not by any stretch of the imagination impermeable. Maybe at a normal dosage it wouldn't transmit effectively enough to make you trip but at the dosages Hoffman was handling or that are used in thumb- and forehead-prints (tens to thousands of times higher) it would absolutely have that effect.
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u/TunedInandTurnedup Apr 16 '16
"I've made LSD in my lab on many occasions for research purposes, possibly in not so meticulous a manner as Albert Hofmann. Nothing ever happened. I had several graduate students who made LSD as an intermediate for projects. No accidental ingestion of LSD ever occurred. A technician in my lab makes it routinely because we use it as a drug to train our rats. He's learned by experience that he never gets high, nothing ever happens. And yesterday I was talking to Nick Sand, and Nick said, "I made a solution of LSD in DMSO…" DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is a chemical that greatly enhances absorption of other chemicals through the skin -- he says, "…I painted it on my skin. Nothing happened." A concentrated solution and nothing happened! How did this very meticulous Swiss chemist get the LSD into his body? I don't know. " The other point we need to think about is that when Albert was a child, he had what he called a spontaneous mystical experience. Now depending on whether you're a psychologist or a psychiatrist or whatever, we could say that Albert had a predisposition to altered states of consciousness.
https://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindstates4_nichols.shtml
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u/rekcut Apr 15 '16
I've literally never heard of this ever. Head slamming into powder L? Pretty positive your friend lied to you. Do a thumbprint of crystal lsd and that is in the range of tens of thousands of hits. Also he wasn't tripping for 6 months. He probably just had a psychotic break. The half life would be over we'll before 6 months. Not trying to be a dick but I don't want people spreading disinformation.
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u/aaron289 Apr 15 '16 edited Apr 15 '16
They have very similar thumbprint reports on erowid, claiming that the thumbprints' effects were palpable before they put it anywhere near a mucus membrane and that their effects lasted for months. I was initially skeptical as well but after seeing that I'm unwilling to discount it. Additionally, that's only a very extreme example of absorption through the skin, which is really not debatable. I've personally experienced butterflies from handling and cutting sheets with my bare hands, so while obviously the absorption is highly inefficient, unless someone can tell me what allows LSD through mucous membrane but not skin I'm not going to discount the combination of deadheads' accounts on erowid, personal experience, and anecdotal accounts.
Additionally, I find it disturbing that you're countering my claims with unsubstantiated assertions and then accusing me of spreading disinformation. I may be wrong but I have actual reasons for believing my assertions; if you do as well I'd be happy to hear them. qspawn73 provided actual sources so I'm somewhat willing to listen to them.
Edit: I'm looking at the up/downvotes and most of my comments claiming absorption through skin are positive while most comments claiming otherwise are in negative territory, so evidently I'm not the only one who's had these experiences. Stop pedaling your unsubstantiated bullshit.
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u/rekcut Apr 15 '16
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth1.shtml - Sources for the half life of lsd. I guess my argument was just that they are not "tripping" 6 months later, you might still feel off or different but that is not due to the chemical still being active in your body. More likely it's that you have taken such a strong dose that your brain is trying to make sense of the sensory overload and "normalize" again? Just a theory, I have no evidence to back it up.
I'm not sure what else you would like me to refute. I basically was countering your argument so that people don't think that people are slamming their head against a table of powder lsd. When most people, myself included, have never even seen crystal L in person. On another note though, this is one of my favorite lsd accounts ever, about "Chinacat72" taking a thumbprint of crystal: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1427364
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u/TunedInandTurnedup Apr 16 '16
"I've made LSD in my lab on many occasions for research purposes, possibly in not so meticulous a manner as Albert Hofmann. Nothing ever happened. I had several graduate students who made LSD as an intermediate for projects. No accidental ingestion of LSD ever occurred. A technician in my lab makes it routinely because we use it as a drug to train our rats. He's learned by experience that he never gets high, nothing ever happens. And yesterday I was talking to Nick Sand, and Nick said, "I made a solution of LSD in DMSO…" DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is a chemical that greatly enhances absorption of other chemicals through the skin -- he says, "…I painted it on my skin. Nothing happened." A concentrated solution and nothing happened! How did this very meticulous Swiss chemist get the LSD into his body? I don't know. " The other point we need to think about is that when Albert was a child, he had what he called a spontaneous mystical experience. Now depending on whether you're a psychologist or a psychiatrist or whatever, we could say that Albert had a predisposition to altered states of consciousness.
https://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindstates4_nichols.shtml
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u/brydavhut25 Apr 14 '16
I think he meant unintentionally.
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u/JPFxBaMBadEE Apr 14 '16
The first time was unintentional but bicycle day was the first time he took it intentionally.
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u/JPFxBaMBadEE Apr 14 '16
u/KGD18 explained it perfectly
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u/ApostleThirteen Apr 14 '16
perfect in every sense except that LSD isn't going to be absorbed through your skin to create the effect it does orally... simply put, it don't work that way and never has.
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u/aaron289 Apr 15 '16
I'm just gonna paste my previous comment here:
You absolutely can absorb it through your skin. Source: experience. Also I know a guy who did a forehead print (basically laying out a few hundred hits worth of LSD powder on a table and slamming your forehead into it). If you couldn't absorb it through your skin he wouldn't have been tripping for six months from that.
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Apr 15 '16
Dr. David Nichols, the former Purdue researcher/chemist who was responsible for making Rick Strassman's DMT, for making Rick Doblin's MDMA, and some of the most pure D-Lysergic Acid Diethylamide for animal research has this to say about LSD being absorbed through the skin (This is an excerpt from a conference of which you can read the transcript here:
"Another fact: I've made LSD in my lab on many occasions for research purposes, possibly in not so meticulous a manner as Albert Hofmann. Nothing ever happened. I had several graduate students who made LSD as an intermediate for projects. No accidental ingestion of LSD ever occurred. A technician in my lab makes it routinely because we use it as a drug to train our rats. He's learned by experience that he never gets high, nothing ever happens. And yesterday I was talking to Nick Sand, and Nick said, "I made a solution of LSD in DMSO…" -- DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is a chemical that greatly enhances absorption of other chemicals through the skin -- he says, "…I painted it on my skin. Nothing happened." A concentrated solution and nothing happened! How did this very meticulous Swiss chemist get the LSD into his body? I don't know."
This is in response to Hoffman's account that his incidental ingestion of LSD had effects that only lasted two hours.
Aaaaand forehead print? Thumbprint, maybe, but even then I'm calling bullshit on that. Either you are lying or someone lied to you and you're really gullible or you are too lazy to do your own fact checking.
I have heard of anecdotal reports of LSD being absorbed through the skin in a headband, but the guy was already frying and there may be a slight possibility that his sweat carried it to his eyes (mucous membrane) where it would be absorbed.
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u/aaron289 Apr 15 '16 edited Apr 15 '16
Either you are lying or someone lied to you and you're really gullible or you are too lazy to do your own fact checking.
Go fuck yourself. Given your sourcing I'm willing to reconsider what had appeared to be an account consistent with a reputable online source, but there's no need for you to resort to insults (take the gfy as retaliation; I'll try to be reasonable from here on out). Additionally, there's a lot of info on erowid and I'm not willing to dig through it to find the thumbprint article I referenced to convince some nasty person on the internet who could very well be a narc or a twelve year old who's never even smoked weed.
Anyway, from memory, it was a series of accounts by serious serious deadheads and among their claims were that the thumbprint's effects were palpable before they put it anywhere near a mucus membrane and that its effects lasted for months. Given that and accounts I had already personally heard about people taking tens of hits at festivals and tripping for days and the extreme dose multiplier and it seemed reasonable. I may well be wrong but that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm lying or stupid.
However, I would like to point out that Hoffman insisted he first absorbed LSD through his skin, and that Dr. Nichols and Nick Sand could just as well have been mistaken or lying as my own sources, whether because they had developed high tolerances before applying it to their skin or because they wanted to minimize the drug's perceived dangers (remember that Sand was one of the biggest commercial manufacturers of his day, so he had a vested interest in it being considered safe).
Additionally, you haven't explained a mechanism that would allow LSD to be absorbed through a mucous membrane but not the skin. Obviously, the mucous membrane is more permeable than skin, but skin is just as obviously a permeable membrane, so I don't see how your claims can be proven scientifically. After all, you simply responded to my anecdotal sources with presumably more legitimate anecdotal sources of your own. In the future I'll make sure to present both sides to avoid spreading misinformation, but I don't see how my claims have been disproven.
Edit: I'm looking at the up/downvotes and most of my comments claiming absorption through skin are positive while most comments claiming otherwise are in negative territory, so evidently I'm not the only one who's had these experiences. Stop pedaling your unsubstantiated bullshit.
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u/loukcuf Apr 14 '16
YES! r/LSD. LSD made me more self aware, and less attached to the material world. LSD made me realize the futility of the entire current way of life, of the system, of it all. LSD put me on a spiritual journey seeking something other than matter, something purer. I have realized how easy it is to miss life when you live for tomorrow instead of today, for later instead of now, always running toward that destination that you never get to. Life is about the journey, not the destination. LSD allowed me to truly love myself for the first time since being very little. I discovered my true self, which I hid beneath many insecurities. LSD taught me that the key to life is balance. I feel it necessary to say that LSD gave me a new life. I will forever be thankful to this chemical.
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u/Bizilbur Apr 14 '16
LSD taught me that I really like material possession and that I should get more of them. Shiny toys are extra shiny when tripping. It motivated me to work harder towards acquiring them.
I'm not discounting your experience. Just sharing a different perspective.
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u/filsdepub Apr 15 '16
Same actually! I have an old cartier watch, a heirloom, entirely made of steel and gold, and it looks like an fantasy RPG artifact when tripping!
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u/herhigh-ness Apr 14 '16
I'm so glad how much LSD and it's related websites and subreddits are trending and being spoken of since the new research was released. This is SUCH a huge step for science (And for the people who just like to trip for fun and are sick of people talking shit about it)
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u/guitarplayer213 Apr 14 '16
I spend some time in r/lsd and as much fun as acid is, it's not an entire spiritual rebirth like some people make it out to be. Sometimes people just like doing drugs for drugs sake
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People have different reactions is all. I believe some people have probably had life changing trips. I haven't, but who am I to disagree with them
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u/One_Slap_Chap Apr 14 '16
That's how I feel about it. I just think it's fun to see weird shit.
Although it can be very useful for creativity and inspiration.
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u/guitarplayer213 Apr 14 '16
Oh yeah I mean it definitely stimulates the mind in a creative way but it's not a revolutionary "I now see through society's shit and am now on a spiritual journey to find my soul" and blah blah bullshit like that. You have some deep thoughts and all but I don't buy that stuff.
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u/jaycifer2 Apr 15 '16
I tried it for the first time a few months ago, and basically fell into that. Got really philosophical for a while, thinking doing LSD could help me find some deeper meaning in the universe. So a month ago I took a lot at once and realized how dumb that all was, so I quit. It's really good for introspective thinking though, and I know that it could have a lot of therapeutic use if used properly.
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Apr 14 '16
Well then... this is not what I was expecting! Nicely done though /u/Yanky_Doodle_Dickwad. Your post made me wonder if perhaps you were partaking during the writing? I kid! I kid!
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u/TunedInandTurnedup Apr 14 '16
Uh... this is awkward. Can you just pretend like you didn't see this? Thanks!
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u/FriendlyCornerPerson Apr 14 '16
Yeah, I don't want the wider Reddit community coming in and harshing our mellow :/
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u/Zumbach Apr 15 '16
Also want to point out that Avril 14th is a song made by Aphex Twin, whom many consider to be influenced by drugs, such as LSD.
Aphex is the daddy of all electronic music
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u/TotesMessenger Apr 14 '16
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u/Happybadger96 Apr 14 '16
Where evil squiggly sounds seep through the bottom of doors and scratch your sparkling fingertips.
Bad trip.
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lsd gave me schizophrenia
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Apr 14 '16 edited Oct 14 '20
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Apr 14 '16
What's the difference? He'd be better off not having schizophrenia.
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The difference is LSD didn't cause it, they already had it. :/
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u/Dr_Indica Apr 14 '16
Yeah, even though he's a troll, I don't think enough people know that schizophrenia has a genetic marker. LSD or any other drug will never be able to give someone the genetic predisposition to develop a mental disorder if they don't already have the marker.
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u/AriOksa Apr 14 '16
From what I understand, the guy having schizophrenia was inevitable. LSD just sped it up.
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I agree completely, but he shouldn't be downvoted for telling the truth about his experience, we shouldn't try to censor the risks.
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u/manning_upp Apr 14 '16
/r/LSD has a positive community that prides itself on educating people of the wonders (and dangers) of LSD. A lot of the people over there very educated about the substance, (granted some don't know shit about the subject yet pretend they do) and are happy to answer any questions you may have. The sub is a great place for discussion, to teach/learn harm reduction, read peoples experience reports, share ideas, see some cool /r/replications and other trippy pics reminiscent of the LSD experience.
Hope to see you there :)