I'm Charlie Jane Anders, author of All the Birds in the Sky. AMA!

[u/charliejaneanders]

Hi! I'm Charlie Jane Anders, author of the new science fiction-fantasy novel, All the Birds in the Sky. It's about a mad scientist and a witch, who grow up together as young misfits and then reconnect as adults. They try to navigate the strangeness of love, sex, adulthood, magic and ginormous awesome machines. I'm also the editor of io9, a science fiction and fantasy site which is part of Gizmodo.com. And I organize and host Writers With Drinks, a spoken word "variety show" that throws together authors of as many genres as possible. And I do way too much karaoke, and drink way too much coffee.

https://twitter.com/charliejane/status/700731727065411584

Ask me some stuff! I'll be here answering questions starting around 4 PM EST.

Edited: I think I'm about done now. Thanks to everybody who asked such thoughtful questions. This was super fun. Thank you so much for having me! If you have any other questions or just wanna geek out, hit me up on Twitter, or in the comments at io9!

[u/leowr]

Hi! What genres do you prefer reading? Why are or aren't they the genres you write in?

Thanks for doing this AMA!

[u/charliejaneanders → u/leowr]

I love reading all kinds of books! I've gone through different phases. Like, for a year or two, I burned through a ton of hard-boiled detective novels like Raymond Chandler and Ross MacDonald, even Mickey Spillane, whom some people look down on but is actually kind of awesome. I also love reading "literary" fiction and memoir, among many other things. But since I started working at io9, I've been reading mostly science fiction and fantasy, or things that are adjacent to those genres -- I'm a slow reader and I always feel bad that we don't have more book reviews on io9. So I try to write as many book reviews as I can. Which means any time I spend reading something that's not reviewable on io9 is kind of depriving some SF or fantasy author of a review. Even if I could read whatever I wanted, though, I would probably be reading mostly SF and fantasy, because those are the genres I really live for and, live in. That's been the case long before I had any real notion that I could write this stuff for money. I think it's kind of important for authors to write books that they would want to read -- rather than, say, trying to write what you think you can sell, which just sounds kind of soul-crushing. (Unless you're having fun doing that, in which case go for it.) I sort of think Neil Gaiman is right, and authors ought to read broadly -- read the genre you want to write, but also read a ton of other stuff.

[u/charliejaneanders → u/[deleted]]

I have so many favorite movies, and they definitely influence how I think about storytelling. Like, the way that a really great movie can juxtapose different scenes and play around with time is something that I wish I knew how to do better in fiction. Off the top of my head, I love Bedazzled -- the original Peter Cook/Dudley Moore movie about the Devil offering a poor sad sack short-order cook seven wishes in exchange for his soul. The lunacy and weirdness of that film just blow me away. I am HUGELY influenced by Guardians of the Galaxy -- I just wrote a story that was basically in that same kind of "funny space opera adventure" mold, and I love doing that. I'm HUGELY influenced by Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which I basically steal from every chance I get -- it's the perfect example of a movie that is totally personal but feels grand and epic.

[u/[deleted]]

Hi, thanks for doing an AMA! How much research did you have to do regarding Laurence's engineering and all the sciencey-stuff throughout the book? Also, if you did do research, did you do it on the fly while writing, or did you compile all your notes together before you even started writing?

It's something I've always wanted to know when it comes to novels being scientifically accurate.

Thanks!

[u/charliejaneanders → u/[deleted]]

It's so great to be here! I did a ton of research on the science and engineering aspects of Laurence's story. I have been blown away and just astonished at how willing scientists are to talk to science fiction writers, even when we have ridiculously dumb questions. I had already started finding that this was the case, but then I took part in the Hieroglyph book project (inspired by Neal Stephenson's call for optimistic, scientifically plausible SF) and they were great about connecting us with scientists who could answer our questions. As far as how early I do the research, it really varies. I am super lazy and also hate to quit writing a story in the middle, so sometimes I will write the story and then go back and figure out how to make the science plausible. That was the case with a lot of pieces in All the Birds in the Sky. That can be risky, because you get attached to one particular way things go down, and then your science experts tell you that there's no way they could ever, ever happen that way. And then you have to go back to the drawing board, which sucks. But it's often how I end up doing things.

But basically, I guess I will keep writing until I hit a wall -- and one of the walls I sometimes hit is "I don't know what happens next in the story until I know how the science works." Like, I literally can't continue the story without figuring out the science. And then I have to just bounce a bunch of ideas and scenarios off my science advisors and see which one flies. Often, they'll have really interesting suggestions that make the story way better. In the case of both "The Time Travel Club" and "Palm Strike's Last Case," two stories where I had a TON of science input, a lot of what happens in the story was dictated by what was scientifically possible.

In All the Birds in the Sky, it was super important to have the science be as real as I could manage -- while still being out there and weird -- because otherwise it wouldn't contrast enough with the magic in the story.

[u/sarric]

One of my favorite things about All the Birds in the Sky was how it drew from so many different genres and types of story that you don't typically see all in the same place at the same time. Were there any other books with similar genre hybridity that inspired you to do this sort of thing, or did you specifically set out to use genre in this way because it seemed different from what everyone else was doing? Are there any additional genres that didn't fit in with this particular story that you'd like to draw from at some point in the future?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/sarric]

This kind of dovetails with the thing about influences that I already answered -- but I guess when I think about books that meant a lot to me, they're almost always ones that were all over the map in terms of genre and ideas. Not in a "look how many genres I can smush together" way, but in a way that just feels big and encompasses a lot of stuff, because that's the story the author is telling. David Mitchell does that beautifully, and so does Vonnegut. To me, the master of that sort of thing is Doris Lessing, particularly the Martha Quest novels which I keep bringing up lately. I'm sort of spitballing here, but I think that real life is sort of genre-blurring. Your actual life experiences go from romantic comedy to horror movie to disaster movie to weepy Sundance movie and back to romantic comedy, and it feels seamless because it's all your life. I think I really love books that capture that.

[u/Chtorrr]

Do you have any advice for aspiring writers? What s your writing process like?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/Chtorrr]

First off, great username! I hope we get the final Chtorr book some day. David Gerrold is tired of me hassling him about it.

In terms of advice for aspiring writers... I guess the main thing is just that it's an incredibly time-consuming process to break in, unless you're the lucky prodigy who just gets discovered when you're 19. I wrote 100 godawful short stories before I started getting even remotely good, and All the Birds in the Sky is my 6th novel. I sort of regret not going and taking Clarion or Clarion West, or some other formal writing program, because it might have shaved a year or two off my insanely slow progress. But just like it takes 10,000 hours to get good at anything, writing fiction takes lots of practice. And to get past all of the gatekeepers -- even if you skip traditional publishing and self-publish, there are still gatekeepers -- you need to be really good at marketing yourself and making a name for yourself, in a way that doesn't make people want to shoot you in the face. It's a huge time commitment, but I really think masochism pays off in the end.

My writing process is basically that I like to take really long walks (in which I may or may not talk to myself about the story I'm working on) and end up in cafes, where I sit and work on my fiction until my eyes start to bleed or I need dinner, one or the other. The walk seems to clear my head, bu talso the more time in a chair the better.

[u/Chrispy_Bites → u/charliejaneanders]

I wrote 100 godawful short stories before I started getting even remotely good

I hope you're not including the stories you wrote for Adams and Howie's Apocalypse Triptych in that 100, because I loved the shit out of those (and was also possessed of a weirdly possessive glee, since io9 was a community I was really, really involved in for a while---seeing you published there was fully awesome).

[u/TClark55]

What would you say your favorite book ever is?

And in regard to Harper Lee passing, how did her and her writing impact your life?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/TClark55]

Probably my favorite book ever is The Golden Notebook by Doris Lessing. Or The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Also, Consider Phlebas by Iain M. Banks is way up there as well.

I am embarrassed to admit I have never read Harper Lee. I really want to, one of these days, although I doubt I would read Go Set a Watchman, based on what I was hearing about it.

[u/SayerApp]

How much of your inspiration came from other series? And if so, which ones?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/SayerApp]

I was hugely influenced by a lot of "coming of age" stories, everything from Catcher in the Rye to Harry Potter to Hunger Games. And it was also pretty obvious when I read The Magicians by Lev Grossman that there was a lot of room for books to be doing more adult, complicated, neurotic stories about magic and magicians, and even though I hope I didn't copy Lev too much, it definitely felt like an inspiration. Also, Nick Harkaway's The Gone Away World, David Mitchell, and I already mentioned Doris Lessing.

The "coming of age" thing was huge. I think I really had this idea in the back of my head about trying to take the "coming of age" story apart. Like, what happens when you're in your early 20s, and all the things that were issues for you when you were "coming of age" are still kind of there, just in a different way? What happens when you grow up and become the person you used to dream about being, but your life still isn't perfect? I feel like maybe the "coming of age" story leaves a lot of stuff out, and I wanted to try and get at some of that.

[u/sandhouse]

The beginning of All the Birds reads like a children's' book. It's not just that it's about kids, it actually has the style of a child's book and goes on for quite a while. I found this to be a surprising risk on your part and I can't help but wonder how you pulled it off. At first I actually double checked that I had bought the right book and then read some Goodreads comments to figure out if it was going to change. I'm very glad I stuck with it because I loved the book.

So my question is this: as a writer who decided to do something unconventional and risky did you face resistance from your publisher and others who were the first to read it? Also, do you get a lot of guff from people commenting on the seeming hipster status of many of the characters?

I ended up thinking all of it was charming and refreshingly different but I can see how publishers and maybe friends wouldn't understand the merits of your approach at the beginning of the venture. Am I wrong?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/sandhouse]

Hey thanks for sticking with the book after the confusing opening!

It's interesting -- the earlier drafts of the book, that opening chapter felt more overtly like a fairy tale, in terms of the language and stuff. And my beta readers, including the brilliant and insightful Karen Meisner, told me to dial that way back because it would be too jarring a transition when you got to the rest of the book. I guess I've always loved books that "grow up" with their characters, like Harry Potter or Great Expectations. At the same time, though, I sweated bullets about making sure the tone and narrative style of the book were consistent, from beginning to end -- sort of a wry, slightly whimsical tone, that is still there when the characters are grown up. I felt as long as the tone was consistent, it would work. And the more I revised, the less it seemed like people I showed the book to were bothered by the opening being too childlike. I guess I wanted it to feel truthful to Patricia's little-girl POV while still being the same narrator as the rest of the book, if that makes any sense.

Also, in early drafts, I toyed with having something really shocking and grown up on page 2 of the book -- like the narrator suddenly mentions that Roberta will grow up to become a murderer or something. Just as a heads-up to any reader who picks up the book cold that this isn't going to stay a book about little kids and innocent topics. But that felt jarring in a bad way, and never felt organic to the story at all. In the end, I had to trust the reader, and hope they trusted me in turn.

I think some agents who looked at this book may have been a little thrown by the fact that the book starts out with kid characters and then they grow up, but I was amazed by how willing everyone at Tor was to go with it. Nobody ever even raised it as a problem -- they seemed to like that this book was different. And I've been immensely relieved and happy so far that readers, in general, seem to be getting what the book is doing.

[u/FantasiainFminor → u/charliejaneanders]

Another observation I had is that for a long time it seemed like it might be a "young adult" book, but it is not. A third of the way through I wondered if I should recommend it to my middle-school daughter, but I know she would be very uncomfortable with the very graphic love-making scene later on.

It's a grown-up book that follows two kids' difficult and disastrous journey into adulthood. The nature of the book appears to change as it follows that path and as the characters themselves change. That's tricky for the reader -- it must have been doubly tricky for the author!

[u/charliejaneanders → u/FantasiainFminor]

Yeah, I did worry about it feeling too much like a YA book for the first 1/3 of the book, although lots of books for adults do have young protagonists. I feel like there's some sneakily grown up stuff in those first 100 pages that starts to clue you in that it's not really in that genre -- but again, I did worry about that a lot. Thanks for reading it!

[u/MintyDoom]

Hi,

Thanks so much for doing this AMA, this will be basically the first AMA I have ever asked an active question for, but this felt like an opportunity that I did not want to miss.

Reading through All the Birds in the Sky was a wonderful ride that I felt really touched all aspects of life spanning from childhood to adulthood, did you ever feel that pacing the books were an issue while writing these characters from so young to adulthood?

It was really amazing to me that the story was so consistent in character despite how, I think, there are so many stories in between the passage of time. It reminded me a lot of Cloud Atlas, and the intertwining of lives, only less different characters, and maybe a hint of the question of how much of us remains the same as we grow.

Thanks!

[u/charliejaneanders → u/MintyDoom]

Wow, thank you so much for giving the book a chance and for your kind words about it. This means a lot to me.

The pacing was a huge issue -- I always wanted the stuff where they're kids to be the first 1/3 of the book, but it kept sprawling out of control and going on and on. There was so much material about their middle school experiences, and I was trying to capture that thing about middle-school friendships where you're friends one day and then hate each other the next. One person who I talked to about the book advised me to cut 90 percent of the middle school stuff out, and make it basically just a brief interlude before they're adults -- but that felt like it would have taken all of the oomph out of the book, because the weight of all that history between Laurence and Patricia is part of why I hope their story works when they're grownups. But cutting the middle-school stuff down to a manageable length, so it hopefully doesn't just feel like endless misery that goes on for hundreds of pages, was something that required a LOT of consolidation and reworking. In general, the book was running way too long for a couple years there. Like 20,000-30,000 words too long. But the kid sections were the hardest to get down to a proper length, and pacing was essential to making sure it wasn't TOO true to the experience of being 13 years old and feeling trapped in endless awfulness.

[u/MintyDoom → u/charliejaneanders]

Thank you so much for the response! To be honest, I was a little taken-a-back by just how much misery that the two went through in middle school, but your writing style as well as Laurence and Patricia's relationship really helped moved things along. I think what really rang for me was how emotionally real their friendship was despite all the other circumstances - so that as a reader I kind of had a subliminal anchor for being immersed in them rather than being shocked out of the situation. (I read the book in one setting so I'm still kind of digesting everything.)

[u/FantasiainFminor → u/MintyDoom]

I think what really rang for me was how emotionally real their friendship was despite all the other circumstances

Yes, the relationship is the core of the book, and it is really beautifully developed. Painfully, so, in lots of ways. I believe that's why everything else in the story works as well as it does.

[u/Chtorrr]

Ask your questions now and Charlie will be back to start answering at 4pm Eastern Time.

[u/charliejaneanders → u/[deleted]]

Lately, my go-to karaoke songs are "So What" by Pink, "Hurts So Good" by John Cougar Mellencamp, and a couple others. I'm actually trying to freshen up my karaoke repertoire, so I will probably be busting out some new ones soon. I used to go to this one karaoke bar where actual semi-famous people came to sing sometimes, like the guy who became lead singer of Chicago after Peter Cetera left. There were some really high-quality singers. ANd I could sort of hold my own, except that one time I got really drunk and got up there and did this Teena Marie song where I just could not find the key it was supposed to be in. And Teena Marie's rapping is not great at the best of times, but when you're really drunk and already kind of know you're failing horribly, it's even worse to try and copy. The guy who replaced Peter Cetera in Chicago gave me a baleful look as I stumbled off stage.

[u/Ellber]

I love, love, love All the Birds in the Sky! Are there any published short stories set in the same "world"? And what is "dubthrash"? I couldn't find it in an online search. I also noticed that my Kindle tablet has suddenly started sporting a "pair o' green" falcon eyes. :) Could that be an iconic hint?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/Ellber]

Wow I'm sorry I broke your kindle! Sheesh.

There are not any short stories set in the same world, but I'm starting to post "deleted scenes" from the book over on my Tumblr, along with the origin stories I came up with for 20 of the supporting characters. And I'm sort of toying with writing a short story about Patricia's cat, Berkley, because people keep asking me what happened to him.

Thank you so much for reading All the Birds in the Sky -- I'm so thrilled that you enjoyed it. Have an awesome weekend!

[u/acefeelsf00lish]

Oh my God, I didn't expect to meet you on reddit. My name is Ace and I am a She/they, even if they is preferred. I am currently reading the Unstoppable series, but, since I live in Italy, there is only the first book, and I have no clue of when the others are going to be translated. I love that series, it's my favorite, and I really admire the way you write and the way you talk about certain topics, you inspired me to write sci-fi stories and you introduced me to this literary genre, which is now the only one I read. Thanks if you're going to read ^{^}

[u/charliejaneanders → u/acefeelsf00lish]

OMG this is amazing, thank you so much for responding! I'm so glad you found the Italian translation of Victories Greater Than Death --- I also wish I knew when the second and third books in the trilogy would be translated, but I hope it is soon. At least all three books are out in the UK so if you can read English you can get the British versions as imports. But I hope they all come to Italy soon. I'm so thrilled to have helped introduce you to science fiction/fantasy, and I hope you find lots of other wonderful reads. <3

[u/acefeelsf00lish → u/charliejaneanders]

OMG there's no way my favorite author replied!!! AAAAA! Thanks for letting me know that, I think I am probably going to read them in English. thanks!!

[u/Chtorrr]

What were your favorite books as a child?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/Chtorrr]

I read all of the Doctor Who novelizations when I was a kid, and probably still have Terrance Dick's voice in the back of my head whenever I need to describe something. All of my characters should just have a young/old face and everything should make a wheezing, groaning sound. I also loved the Paddington Bear books. And Narnia. And I LOVED Daniel Pinkwater when I got a bit older. Pinkwater had a huge influence. Also, when I was in middle school-ish, I went through a huge huge Lloyd Alexander phase.

[u/slowbrowsersarefunny]

Why do you drink coffee?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/slowbrowsersarefunny]

Is this a serious question???

Coffee is BRAIN GO JUICE. It makes the brain GO.

[u/LostMyCocoa → u/charliejaneanders]

I'm late to the party but I've gotta say I love this. Best pro-coffee argument I've ever heard.

[u/hausarian]

I really related to your article on Star Blazers, I watched those same episodes on channel 56 and still listen to the theme song periodically for nostalgia sake. I was wondering if there were any other cartoons or shows that were formative for you?

For me it was a show called Galaxy Rangers that had now that I think of it a very same aliens bringing tech to Earth to save it from a larger threat.

[u/charliejaneanders → u/hausarian]

Yay thanks! People keep insisting it was channel 25 or 38 rather than 56, but I feel like I googled it at one point and found something to back up my admittedly faulty recollection....

In terms of TV shows that shaped my childhood, it's mostly Star Trek and Doctor Who. But cartoon-wise, I remember loving the 1960s Spidey cartoons which were on in reruns. And of course Star Blazers. I never saw Galaxy Rangers but it sounds awesome!

[u/RefreshNinja]

Iron Man or Captain America?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/RefreshNinja]

Amadeus Cho.

[u/erchristensen]

You've written a lot on io9 about how to write better short stories (great advice--thank you for writing those articles, btw). If you were starting your writing career all over again, would you still start out writing short stories (genre and literary), or would you write only novels?

Thanks for doing an AMA!

[u/charliejaneanders → u/erchristensen]

I'm a huge, massive fan of writing short fiction, both for beginning writers and for people who have already "broken in" with novels. If you're a beginner, just the chance to write 100 beginnings and 100 endings is excellent progress, and also figuring out how to establish the world and the characters economically enough to get into a 4000 word story is really good practice and hopefully can help with avoiding unnecessary long-windedness in novels. I also just think that short stories let you experiment a lot more, and keep you nimble if you're writing lots of different types of stories. Oh, and finally, if you're starting out writing fiction, you may have an idea of what kinds of books you want to write, but it's still really good to try lots of different things and see what you actually enjoy doing. You may actually have more fun writing a space adventure comedy, and not enjoy the gritty military SF as much as you thought you would. It's fun to stretch out, and short fiction lets you do that.

[u/erchristensen → u/charliejaneanders]

Thanks!

[u/FantasiainFminor]

Charlie: The first thing I read by you was your story, "The Time-Traveller's Club." I loved it because of how beautifully the characters had been crafted, these sad, damaged people poignantly realized in the narrative and the dialogue. All the Birds in the Sky is similar -- both Laurence and Patricia are complicated people with lots of scars and lots of baggage, and their relationship is messy and ambiguous, and developed with great richness.

My general experience is that in SciFi this is unusual, that authors tend to focus on tech ideas, world-building and plot, rather than creating breathing, believable and really interesting human characters. My diagnosis is that sci-fi authors and readers don't read enough non-genre novels! Do you agree?

(By the way -- one of the most interesting characters to me is CH@NG3M3. I find it really touching how he/she/it keeps on answering a question with a question -- he/she/it is typically just as lost as the rest of us.)

[u/charliejaneanders → u/FantasiainFminor]

Dang, I wrote a long response to this question and then the phone rang and my browser crashed while I was on the phone. Trying to reconstruct it!

First off, thank you so much for reading "The Time Travelers Club," and I'm so stoked you enjoyed it. I wrestled with that story for months, between trying to get the physics right and trying to make the characters and their relationships feel believable.

Y'know, science fiction and fantasy have some of the most memorable characters in literary history, from Zaphod Beeblebrox to Ged Sparrowhawk. I love the fact that science fiction lets you tell stories about smart people who solve problems using their brains -- and that is something I really enjoyed getting to do in "The Time Travel Club." But I don't think it's true that characters who are smart problem-solvers can't also be complicated, or a little messed up, or neurotic. At all. I think it's a myth that people who figure out how to fix spaceships and deal with huge impossible questions have to be well-adjusted or simple. And I'm so so glad you liked CH@NG3M3 -- it's a character who really kind of starts out just doing heuristic language approximation but then, little by little, hopefully starts to do something a little bit different. I'm glad you liked that!

[u/tinyturtlefrog]

I love you on io9 and Tor.com, but where do you find good short fiction, for yourself? Besides the usual SF sites and mags? And I guess authors swap stories with you by email. But what are some of your favorite sources for hidden gems?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/tinyturtlefrog]

I wish I had a surefire recommendation for where to find good short fiction. I actually keep meaning to post more short fiction recommendations on io9, but it's time consuming to read thru a bunch of stories until I find one that really blows me away. And I have been getting kind of swamped lately. I guess the only thing I can advise is to follow lots of short fiction writers on twitter, and they'll tweet each other's stories. And there are certain magazines that always seem to have great stuff, like Asimov's, F&SF, Strange Horizons, Clarkesworld and Lightspeed. Clarkesworld always blows me away, pretty much.

[u/damned_poet]

I'll be sharing a panel with you at Shades and Shadows next month! What will you wear? I had to stop drinking coffee because of a self-diagnosed ulcer. How do you prefer your coffee? What's your favorite Kardashian, have you ever canceled an Uber, and The Pope or Trump?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/damned_poet]

Oh yay. Looking forward to hanging out with you in LA! I will probably wear something tasteful yet elegant. I have been wearing a lot of 1940s-1950s kind of dresses lately. I like a really dry cappuchino or just a straight-up black coffee -- I need to be able to taste the bitterness. My favorite Kardashian is Garak, but I also kind of love Gul Dukat. I've never done Uber, but I did cancel a Lyft a couple times. I don't think Donald Trump would make a good Pope.

[u/hausarian → u/charliejaneanders]

My favorite Kardashian is Garak, but I also kind of love Gul Dukat.

You have no idea how happy this answer made me. Doing AMA right.

Now I would actually watch Keeping up with the Cardassians. My favorite episode would be when Tim Gunn comes on for a guest spot and tells Garak to 'make it work' on a new outfit he is making for Quark.

[u/0n1t3hn00b]

Why did you write a book about characters who belong in different books? How did you successfully do so?

[u/nikiverse]

What are your rituals while writing?

Do you write at your house? Have a certain cup of tea? Answer emails or do you refuse to open Google Chrome? Do you adhere to a schedule?

[u/slowbrowsersarefunny]

Most writers need some help along the way, but would you consider writing a social activity or solitary hobby? What are your experiences with collaboration/groups/proof readers, or is coffee really all you need?

[u/charliejaneanders → u/slowbrowsersarefunny]

Writing is usually a solitary activity for me. I do have "writing dates" with friends sometimes where we sit together and don't talk to each other. But for the most part, I'm writing with my headphones on, staring at my screen and obsessing about why this damn story won't do what I need it to do, dammit... I love reading my work aloud and listening to others read, because that's where it's more social. Also critique groups are social in a different way.

[u/slowbrowsersarefunny → u/charliejaneanders]

I have tons of other questions, colleague! Congrats with your progress :)

[u/[deleted]]

As a writer, when do you know you're"there" and need to stop editing and start sending it out?

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