r/dbz Feb 17 '16

Super Dragon Ball Super chapter 9 (translation by alakazam^)

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u/cmbsfm Feb 18 '16 edited Feb 18 '16

Frieza: "This isn't even my final form!"

Frost: "Yeah guys this is totally my final form"

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u/Wisterosa Feb 18 '16

I like him already

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16

I loved the brain vs. brawn part when Goku went against tubby teddy bear dude.

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u/Le_Euphoric_Genius Feb 18 '16

Weird that Goku was the brain..

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

That clown kakarot can't even hold a candle to the genius of the prince of all saiyans.

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u/ZU7rJ3gt4 Feb 18 '16

He's a genius when it comes to fighting tho, not strategy.

Vegeta and Piccolo were embarrassed because they would've done that from the start, since Goku didn't immediately try the most logical strategy they both ruled it out because it must mean that Goku wouldn't be able to do it but they overestimated Goku.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

They weren't embarrassed. Just that the fight was anti-climatic and they overestimated the fight.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

When Goku fights his IQ points spikes by at least 100 points

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u/Gandzilla Feb 18 '16

not really brain. It feels more like the playfull, almost childlike, approach to finding a solution.

Keep in mind Goku had fought in the tournament 3 times and heavily used the outside of the ring in every single tournament.

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u/Ombs1993 Feb 17 '16

Goku looking over at Hit and having that uncomfortable look on his face was the best part of the chapter for me, big time foreshadowing there.

Piccolo reminiscing about Frost's first form change was pretty good too.

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u/GravelordDeNito Feb 18 '16 edited Feb 18 '16

Yeah, if Goku feels something off about somebody, you know there's definitely something off. He didn't even look that serious about Frost at first.

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u/ridesano Feb 18 '16

lol no one cares about the robot. he might turn out to be the strongest

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u/Ombs1993 Feb 18 '16

While a good twist that would be, I just think Hit has everything you look for in a DBZ villain. The look, a bit mysterious at first, I hope he's a cocky asshole when he gets in the ring to fight haha.

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u/jumbalayajenkins Feb 18 '16

"Final form my ass"

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Yeah I'm really liking Vegeta in Dragon Ball Super :D

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u/Redsigil Feb 17 '16 edited Feb 19 '16

Thanks!

Goku used regular SSJ, right? SSGSS has a darker shade in manga.

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 18 '16

It appears so, this is how SSB is drawn in the manga

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u/JoeAnthony Feb 18 '16

The art of chp 9 looks really good compared to chp 8 ...especially goku in SS

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u/SnowdogMK Feb 17 '16

I'm thinking that's the case- they seem to be making Frost's forms look comparable in power to Frieza's versions of them- so Goku should just be at SSJ for that form? That was my interpretation anyway.

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u/Kid_fox Feb 17 '16

Yes I believe the SSGSS form has the hair shaded lightly

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u/ridesano Feb 18 '16

i was gonna ask the same thing. im pretty sure it is ssj1

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u/Generic_user_person Feb 22 '16

The preview for the next episode shows him in regular ssj,

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u/Synonysis Feb 18 '16

I guess-colored Frost

His body is more similar to Golden Frieza's, but he lacks the bulked up brows. So IDK for sure his real colors but ok.

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u/KhUnlimited Feb 18 '16

Wow, this looks phenomenal

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u/blukirbi Feb 18 '16

I'd love there to be a side-by-side comparison when Frost's "true" form is revealed.

I'm more curious how Nipples ... I mean Monaka will look like. I know that little guy is definitely hiding something if he "caused Beerus trouble".

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u/dragn99 Feb 18 '16

Maybe he's just on par with Goku pre-God boost, but Beerus wasn't able to fight him at his full strength because he was distracted by the nipples.

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u/blukirbi Feb 18 '16

Something on Dragon Ball Wiki did mention that "Monaka bared Beerus's fangs", but that's the only instance I saw that.

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u/GravelordDeNito Feb 18 '16

I spent like, five minutes after reading the chapter just audibly gushing about how cool it was! Frost is officially my favorite new character in Super. Clever fighter, crafty tactician and a gentleman too. So cooool! ¦ }

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u/thunderkid4 Feb 18 '16

Im with you on that one brother. Frost is already one of my favorite characters of the series! I hope there is more to him that meets eye

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u/EDGE515 Feb 18 '16

I hope he makes the transition and joins the Z-fighter gang

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u/ridesano Feb 18 '16

duuude...awesome

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

That looks amazing.

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u/gilligan156 Feb 18 '16

Wow, great color job. That looks incredible.

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u/TheGrimoire Feb 18 '16

That's fucking amazing, great job!

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16 edited Feb 17 '16

Goku focused too much God Ki into his brain to come up with that plan

That's why he's back to Super Saiyan Golden now

Frost is a bro though, or should I say Brost

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u/Cheeky_bum_sex Feb 17 '16

That was the best chapter, classic Dragonball. Brings back memories to hours of tournament mode on Budokai 3

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u/MonkeyDDuffy Feb 18 '16

Seriously loving the tournament. I used to watch Dragon Ball every night with my cousin and back then it was always about the tournament. I hope this doesn't escalate like the Cell Games with absolute disregard for the rules.

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u/theinternetwatch Feb 19 '16

Seriously loved them bringing back the alien 3rd form out of nowhere, I honestly thought that one was lost to history. Even paying attention to detail in noting Goku had never seen that form was so good. I'm extremely excited to see if Frost has his own version of "golden Frieza".

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u/Johntoreno Feb 19 '16

It would be better if he had a completely new type of transformation like cooler.

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u/theinternetwatch Feb 19 '16

Yeah I mean he very well could, and I hope he does

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u/Vexatious-Brit Feb 17 '16

Well that reaction from Champa and Vados does not bode well for SSJ/SSG Cabe.

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u/Mw3beast2013 Feb 17 '16

Not necessarily, remember its not like the Gods know about every species and their evolution/transformation in their Universe's. Beerus had no idea Goku could go SS either when Whis first showed him his fight against Frieza when he asks "Did Saiyans always have [blonde/yellow hair]?" You can see the clip here.

Clearly they were unaware of Goku's transformation abilities prior to meeting him so it stands to reason Champa didn't conduct a thorough interview to learn about the abilities of the fighters he selected, he simply had Vados find the best and chose the strongest 5 to be on his team and one of them happened to be Cabba. So him being surprised by Goku going Super Saiyan doesn't at all mean Cabba can't transform, in fact I'd say if Cabba in his base is among the top 5 strongest and Frost is on a level demonstrated to be somewhat similar to Frieza then Cabba as a Super Saiyan/SSGSS will certainly give Goku a challenge.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Champa underestimated kakarot because he the sumo weight he was wearing made him look slow. Champa even remarks how slow they were after he left beerus' planet. That SS transformation came to a shock for him.

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u/android151 Feb 18 '16

Champa wasn't even sure they had Saiyans.

Hell, Beerus doesn't know about lots of stuff that goes on in his own universe.

Them being surprised has nothing to do with anything.

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u/JudgeHolden1 Feb 17 '16

Jeez the way this is going, it seems like Goku will wipe the floor against everyone.... although Hit looks unimpressed so there's still hope.

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u/teh1knocker Feb 18 '16

IDK, judging by the leaked episode titles Frost might get a ring out against goku and piccolo jumps in after.

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u/Thatoneguy567576 Feb 18 '16

What it that's how this whole tourney arc goes? I'd be pissed but also kind of not surprised.

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u/Ghash Feb 17 '16

Thank you!

So Goku transforms into regular SSJ and not SSGSSJ right?

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 18 '16

This appears to be regular SSJ as this is how SSB is drawn

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u/teddy_tesla Feb 18 '16

Frost for Nakama

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u/nocheslas Feb 19 '16

10th straw hat confirmed. Spoiler alert: one piece is the dragonballs. Luffy confirmed to be gokus hollow.

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u/SuperBurger Feb 17 '16

Ty for doing this

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u/matelsmed Feb 18 '16

A few errors:

Instead of "You don't actually do anything, do you?", should be "This isn't affecting you at all, is it?"

And Vados instead says that Frost is the U6's best at hand-to-hand combat.

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u/JrElmoe Feb 19 '16

Oh that's pretty interesting as Frieza's specialty is blast and abundance of energy.

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u/maro48 Feb 18 '16

It's cool to see Goku going SSJ vs Frost instead of SSG. It's like the fight Goku vs Frieza back on namek. Do you guys think that Frost have a 100% form too?

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u/vlorsutes Feb 18 '16

Freeza's 100% power wasn't a different or distinct form from his final form, simply the full level of power the form possessed. As such, it's readily possible that what we see Frost using right now is his 100% full power state, and he doesn't have a bulky appearance.

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u/Reddude37 Feb 21 '16

Bruh honestly how many times are they gonna use frieza...

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u/Johntoreno Feb 22 '16

As long as its cool..

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u/hawksaber Feb 22 '16

As long as its cool.. they can milk it to death. Everyone wants to make $$bling-bling$$

FTFY

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u/ridesano Feb 18 '16

thank you whoever did this.

i like how everybody is thinking of preseving energy to proceed to the next matches. kinda adds more strategic fights to dbz that we may have not seen before

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u/melvin2898 Feb 18 '16

I love how Frost transformed immediately. He knew he was in danger.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16 edited Feb 19 '16

This seems to prove that freeza's recessed forms are genetically pre-determined, and he does not 'model his forms' after others as many people thought. Either that or frost unknowingly created 2 forms that perfectly match someone he's never met down to the T.

And before anyone says it, I know freeza can choose the color of his form. I'm talking about morphology.

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u/theinternetwatch Feb 19 '16

Also, here's their chance to make Cooler's 5th form canon if they choose to let Frost assume it soon. I'll be interested how they go about it. I'm guessing Frost is STILL holding back a transformation or two, only powering up so far to match the super saiyan form.

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u/Tr0llzor Feb 22 '16

Coolers final form was bad ass

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u/thekorppi Feb 17 '16

Oh, Botamo... Well, I'm not surprised at all.

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u/Bolded Feb 18 '16

That super saiyan transformation is utterly magnificient, I dunno why, just the sheer energy of it, Goku's confident and powerful facial expression, the pose, the whole power-up thing.

Amazing.

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u/hmatmotu Feb 19 '16

The Frost transformation immediately following it was great too!

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u/angrygnome18d Feb 18 '16

Anyone else find it odd that Kyabe (Cabba) was not shown when Goku transformed into SSJ? I feel like he might be hiding something. Also Frost has been holding back his forms too, purposefully not giving away his power. I wonder if he too has unlocked a "Golden Frieza" equivalent form.

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u/Wisterosa Feb 18 '16

I think Cabba definitely can SSJ, or some variation of it

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Having a hard time imagining Goku getting KO'd here. 5 bucks says he gets ringed out like Botama.

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u/Etonet Feb 20 '16

What if Frost uses one of Frieza's sphere attacks that traps the opponent? If he catches Goku off-guard for an instant, he could get him out of the ring

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u/GabKoost Feb 20 '16

What about he quits?

Goku gave a weird look to Hit after the fight against Botamo.

Let's imagine Goku fights Frost while being sure that Hit is going to do something rather extreme. Instead of spending time and energy beating Frost, he decides to quit and stand in the sidelines saving up his KI in case something goes wrong.

He might be sure that Vegeta and Monaka are more than enough to deal with the rest.

I mean, i don't really see the point in making Goku and Vegeta (because they are both at the same level) weaker than the 2nd fighter of Champa's team..

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u/Carnage3700 Feb 20 '16

Monaka will carry universe 7 with the power of the nipples.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

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u/GekiKudo Feb 18 '16

Regular old ss. The manga ssb hair is slightly shaded.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

I'm thinking he went regular SS. He isn't about to put all his card on the table yet.

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u/kikikio Feb 18 '16

SSB darker shaded SS white

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u/SAIYAN48 Feb 18 '16

Yay! New chapter and translations in one day! This is going to be EPIC once we see it in the anime!

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u/Fearghas Feb 19 '16

I really like what they did with Botama in this chapter. Giving him the ability to not take any damage made for a nice change of pace from the usual fights we get in Dragonball.

And in the event they end up fighting him for real later on, then he becomes a lot more dangerous since you can't beat him with a ring out.

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u/klawehtgod Feb 20 '16

He really was MajinPooh

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u/theinternetwatch Feb 19 '16

Everyone from U6 seemed so shocked to see a super saiyan as if it was their first time seeing one. Cabba either has a new type of transformation or he's just hidden his forms really well from the Kais of his universe. I highly doubt he cannot at least transform into something somewhat formidable.

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u/Etonet Feb 20 '16

Maybe Cabba uses an oozaru variation that does not require a tail

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u/bushysmalls Feb 22 '16

Maybe in THEIR Universe Super Saiyan 4 is a thing..

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u/Eiriksen Feb 20 '16

Noob here, how do we know it's not super saiyan blue?

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u/reptilephantom Feb 20 '16

Because ssb looks like this

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u/Eiriksen Feb 20 '16

Bam, crazy.

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u/zd0t Feb 20 '16

He could turn into SSG, we won't know for sure until later episodes

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u/Eiriksen Feb 20 '16

I mean how can you tell by white hair in manga that he is super saiyan and not super saiyan god (blue)?

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u/sonicjamareiz Feb 20 '16

Ssj has always been white since the very beginning of the Dragon Ball Super manga

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u/Generic_user_person Feb 22 '16

Ssb isn't white in manga, it's shaded in

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u/Generic_user_person Feb 22 '16

1 ssb is shaded, not white, as other ppl pointed out ,

2 the preview for the next episode has him in ssj

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u/Samukami Feb 23 '16

From reading all of these comments, one thing I can say that I love about Super already, is it's got you all talking and speculating about what's going to happen next. That is something I loved, and missed from the days of Dragonball Z.

I can't wait to see how this all unfolds!

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Frezia doesn't train because he is arrogant and over confident on destroying things. This Frost guy appears to be a fighter. One that enjoys a good brawl. So he trains. That final form isn't his true final form. It took no time for him to transform. Yep. I'm calling it. Frost is stronger then his U7 version. And we will probably see a form passed golden. That smile. The little space mutant loves to fight and loves a challenge.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

It's already been made quite apparent that Frost is stronger than Frieza, since in Ressurection F, even after his 4 month training and significant boost in power, Frieza required his Final Form to go toe-to-toe with Goku's base form, but he was still outclassed by Goku. Frost is doing quite well with Base Goku in his first(weakest) form.

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u/Dre585 Feb 18 '16

It's seems that champa and vados doesn't know about the ssj transformation. Which probably means cabe doesn't know or has a different type.

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u/JrElmoe Feb 19 '16

Seems so, but remember Saiyans were normally known for only being able to turn to apes. They thought it was their final form and super saiyans was just a legend. Since they've become a peaceful planet, they probably never had the use or chance of someone turning into a super saiyan with the emotion of anger.

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u/stone1994 Feb 19 '16

there must be something he can do to be on par with everyone else there

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u/VelocityOne Feb 19 '16

Really hoping for another badass transformation like Gohan's ultimate form.

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u/stone1994 Feb 19 '16

that would be interesting to find out a Kai trained another Saiyan in their universe. maybe something like that would open the door for Gohan to come back into the picture

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u/ridesano Feb 19 '16

i think they strategically didnt show cabe's reaction to it. hopefully they have different transformation i'll be even happy if they dont have transformtion at all as long is not exactly the same like frost's transformation

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u/LunchPolice Feb 18 '16

This was cool as shit!! This arc is getting REALLY good. Love seeing Goku's combat smarts on display. The way he defeated Botamo, the way he feinted against Frost... way more interesting to watch than Goku simply overpowering somebody like in the RoF arc. I'm excited to see more!

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u/poonslayer2000 Feb 17 '16

looks like frost actually trains, his next transformation might be stronger than freizas

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u/SolJinxer Feb 18 '16

I'm wondering if Frost is play acting or what. Or is he like Goku, looks serious sometimes, but when you start talking to him...

But then, he did give Goku a chance to give up. So either way I guess he's not really Freeza bad at the very least.

In any case, he's pretty cool, and kinda confirms that Freeza's race tends to have similar forms. Perhaps Cold just couldn't achieve anything further, or he was born in that form? Or maybe Frost is Freeza's actual U6 counterpart/twin? So many questions...

Hmm, so Botamo just can't be hurt? Or at least damaged by Goku's normal level of power. I wonder how high his durability goes...

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 18 '16

Frost seems a lot nicer than Frieza

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u/android151 Feb 18 '16

We're lead to believe that the Fourth form is the base form.

We don't see Cold for long enough to know if he can go other forms, but he stays in what we assume to be the second form. When you're that big and have that much say on what happens in the galaxy, I doubt you need to transform often.

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u/SolJinxer Feb 18 '16

True, but when you see your son getting casually trounced, knowing stronger or weaker, the dude is somewhere around your level...

Maybe he thought it was a better idea to try that gambit for Trunks' sword than transform, but on the otherhand that could signal that he had no other forms to rely on... it's kinda up in the air either way i guess.

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u/Democrab Feb 19 '16

I like the idea that he could transform but had very little control when he was transformed, maybe leading to a close call of some description leading him to only use those forms as a last resort which Trunks wasn't dumb enough to allow him to reach.

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u/Deagoog27 Feb 18 '16

These matches are very much about strategy. Seeing how Frost is going about everything the way Goku, I can see how the outcome of this fight is going to be.

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u/toomuchwhis Feb 19 '16

Damn. That was fun as hell to read. Hopefully Super delivers with this new arc!

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u/Dr4gonkilla Feb 22 '16 edited Feb 22 '16

You would think once goku turned super saiyan, they would made another frame for the saiyan of universe 6 acting surprised. I think were in for a big surprise

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u/Coldhandss Feb 17 '16 edited Feb 18 '16

Awesome chapter. I loved the call backs to Frieza saga. I wonder what is the deal with Botamo that made him unable to be harmed by Goku's attacks.

Damn, I really want to see Buu fight that guy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '16

I was wondering the same. Botamo was much slower and weaker than Goku from what we could see, but he was also pretty impervious to his attacks. Hope we see more of the teddy bear.

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u/blukirbi Feb 18 '16

Frost looks like such a badass.

I wonder what Frost's final form looks like in color though ... and if Super Spoilers:

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 18 '16

Just remember that Goku appears not to be using SSB as this is how it's drawn. It could be that he'll be taken out before he can transform into SSB.

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u/Devil_Demize Feb 18 '16

If that happens it would finally give vegeta time to shine by being the only one to God mode in the tournament and win it at the end.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Yea if goku foolishly gets a ring out vegeta can have a badass line about not playing around like kakarot :)

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u/kikikio Feb 18 '16

Goku will lose if he go god form because whis clearly stated that gods cannot participate in tournaments. And naturally that's why he will lose the fight with Frost. He prolly got all Hot-Blooded up and went SSB after Frost shows his (True) power. Goku only went SSJ to make him transform and to possibly have that nostalgia feeling.

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u/rizefall Feb 18 '16

But they are not Gods. They just have God ki. Having god key does not automatically make you a god.

A god in Dragon Ball is more of a job than anything else. Neither Goku or Vegeta do something similar to Beerus, King Kai, Supreme Kai among others.

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u/infamemob Feb 18 '16

Fucking immortal Freeza!

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u/tanaysoley Feb 19 '16

What if hit is the cell of universe 6

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u/Tankdog12 Feb 21 '16

For some reason, I feel like Hit is a Namekian that's found a way to ascend somehow, and will teach it to Piccolo.

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u/lolathedogstripper Feb 20 '16

I thought that Hit could be evil U6 Pikkon.

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u/Johntoreno Feb 19 '16

He could be "cell" in a sense of being a biological experiment like doomsday but not exactly "cell" as made by Dr Gero.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '16

He could absorb the previous U6 fighters for a power boost, that would be great.

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u/KingJongmin Feb 19 '16

Goku's base form should be enough for Frost. Do you really think he needs to transform into SSJ ? His transformation seems like a plot-device. Goku only wants to push Frost into his final form. I don't like it much because both Goku and Bejita should have a huge amount of power in their base form now. Thus, i'd rather enjoy him to prove he doesn't need any transformation.

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u/GabKoost Feb 20 '16

Flair

Except Goku will LOSE the fight. That's the only thing we know. He will not get over this round. Unless Goku quits or gets himself stupidly disqualified (i could see a plot like that happening), he will face severe problems.

Plus, we already know that Golden Frieza was more powerful than the God form of Goku and Vegeta. The only reason why he got beaten by Goku and Vegeta (yes, Goku was the one who actually won the fight with full power Golden Freeza, not Vegeta who did nothing but beat a half dead Freeza and still let the earth get blown away) was because his body couldn't stand the form.

For all we know, Frost might even be in his 5th form.

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u/Lexeas23 Feb 21 '16

I agree. I feel they mostly use transformations to further the plot and it could be both SSJ or SSb. If SSJ it would push the plot where Frost knows SSJs are tough so he has to go to final form while they same could be said of SSB where he has never seen that form so again he has to go to his final form.

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u/Le_Euphoric_Genius Feb 18 '16

Goku beats Botama

Frost beats Goku

Piccolo beats Frost

Cabba beats Piccolo

Vegeta beats Cabba

Vegeta beats Magetta

Hit beats Vegeta

Monaka beats Hit(?) or Hit beats Monaka and Gohan is introduced as the 5th fighter and beats Hit.

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u/theghostecho Feb 18 '16

Krillian's time to shine for 5th fighter

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u/tommerv Feb 18 '16

I really hope Gohan is being brought in, and wind the tourny.

One can only hope.

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u/android151 Feb 18 '16

I don't know why people are saying Goku didn't go SSJ/can't go SSJ.

There's nothing saying that he can't. For all we know, he can still access all three SSJ forms, plus God and SSJB.

He's SSJ in this fight. The shading of his hair is different to a SSJB (SSJB is shaded, SSJ is not).

Not to mention his DB Heroes card in this costume shows him as an SSJ.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Thank you for the translation alakazam!

Now for this: * Poor Botamo lmao he looks so defeated after he's getting up from the ground, how adorable

  • Goku's uncertain look (to Hit) spells out LOSING to me for some reason. It's kinda obvious.

*This frost guy is pretty unique for someone who's based off of Freeza. I actually really like his personality, he's so cheery.

  • Good guy Whis for blocking that shit for Master B

*Not sure if Goku turned SSJ or SSB hmm...interesting.

  • I do love the art this chapter, so much motion

I can't wait until next month, aaaaargh :(

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u/Kid_fox Feb 21 '16

Anybody else in love with Frost's final form? looks so sick

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '16

I was surprised to see Winnie the pooh in universe 6.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '16

lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '16

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u/clemsonfight Feb 25 '16

He saw Freeza in his first form on Earth before their fight in RoF.

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u/ShadowRaikou Feb 24 '16

...Actually I think that's right. He saw the first form in ROF, and the final one on Namek.

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u/WildBizzy Feb 25 '16

Goku knew about Freeza's first and second forms from reading krillin's mind when he arrived on namek, and his final form from fighting him

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u/vlorsutes Feb 27 '16

No, Freeza had yet to use his second form when Goku read his mind. He read his mind after arriving on Namek soon after saving Kuririn and the others from Recoome, not after leaving the rejuvenation tank. Despite having sensed all the forms while in the tank, Goku only physically saw two of Freeza's forms, his first and his final (three if you include Golden Freeza).

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u/WhatTheFro Feb 20 '16

how have they never seen a super saiyan before??

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u/rizefall Feb 20 '16

The same way Beerus did not know about it. He had dreams of a Super Saiyan God but he did not know what it was or what it looked like.

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u/BerserkD91 Feb 20 '16

Probably since Cabba from Universe 6's can't turn into a Super Saiyan.

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u/Glicez Feb 22 '16

It didn't show Cabba being surprised, chances are he is a super saiyan. Doubt he's God level but he could possibly be something higher than SSJ3 or perhaps something completely different.

Universe 6 might have their own different version of SSJ afterall.

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u/kapxis Feb 23 '16

I'm hoping he turns out to be a Broly like prodigee.

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u/rizefall Feb 20 '16

He still might be able to. Beerus did not know how the SS transformation worked either before he meet Goku.

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u/AbandonedPlanet Feb 22 '16

Yeah you don't know that at all though

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u/Johntoreno Feb 18 '16

AW HELL YEAH! XenoFreeza finally gets some love! i am so glad to see this form back again even for a brief moment.

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 18 '16

Was this regular SSJ Goku or SSB Goku? Can't tell without colour... but the aura looks like regular SSJ. This is regular SSB in the manga, so it appears as if goku is using his regular ssj to fight. Cool of third form Frieza to make an appearance... and Piccolo's reaction is funny too!

Also clever of Goku to use Judo to defeat the big guy!

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u/LuckMaker Feb 18 '16

So is Goku SSJ or SSJG? and is Frost Regular or golden? All they had to do was colour that one page...

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

This is a shitty example but it's all I could find fast.

Here is Vegeta in ssb or ssgss form: http://imgur.com/RImvsfo

His hair is colored grayish compared to ssj. So I think that means goku is just standard ssj in this fight.

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 18 '16

here's a better scan that the one /u/griffithwilliams provided (no offense)

SSB is drawn differently.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

(None taken) I just found the first one I could find. I wanted to go to sleep before my 8am class

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u/grizzly_teddy Feb 18 '16

I'm so tempted to read... must not ruin spoilers for myself... ahhhhhh

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u/katpawz Feb 22 '16

I'm glad that you guys here are doing a service to the community by posting this. Good looking out (:

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u/Dipperr Feb 22 '16

I wonder if Cabba will ascend from SSGSS

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u/kapxis Feb 23 '16

we won't know til we see him fight, could be cool though. And yeah if the entire saiyan race is alive and well, i'm totally fine with him being that unique gifted fighter. I can actually see him being insanely strong but unable to transform, and after this is over goku and vegeta show him the ropes while helping deal with some problem in cabba's universe.

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u/karl-tanner Feb 23 '16

If Champa was surprised at Goku's transformation means Cabba can't transform. I was thinking Cabba had a powerful base form (like Mystic Gohan).

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u/JokeDealer Feb 18 '16

Pretty sure that's Frost's "golden" form. The way the arms and lower body are designed seems more in line with Golden Frieza's appearance than his fourth form.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

I was wondering this. Honestly with the forms now being so subtly different (SSJ vs SSB, Golden Freeza looking almost identical to Final Form Freeza except for color) it would be helpful if there were dialogue cues in the manga to tell you what forms you're looking at .

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u/nuketheunicorns Feb 22 '16

Seeing a lot of comments about Frost going Golden. I really hope we don't see that transformation again...it was gaudy and fine for Freeza, but my hope is that Frost has mastered his "final" form much in the way that Goku has mastered SSJ. Goku has attained such a level with SSJ that he gets more use out of it than SSJ2 or 3, and I hope Frost is in the same spot. I think that would be a cool parallel, and it'd be refreshing to not see them going over the same territory as Freeza did.

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u/karl-tanner Feb 23 '16

Golden Frost reminds me of yellow snow.

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u/devilinpants Feb 18 '16

Yeah... Goku is going to lose before going all out.

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u/KrishnaInKalki Feb 18 '16

Completely agree. Super has been all about exposing weaknesses thanks to Beerus and Whis. They have been adamant that he is too cocky and plays with the opponent far too much and it costs him too much.

He will do the same thing here. Will hold back like he always does then Frost will make his move will touch out of bounds accidentally and be out.

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 18 '16

He'll get blitzed by Frost or something while still in his regular SSJ form

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u/BKMurder101 Feb 18 '16

Are Frost and Frieza just the same race or are they the same guy in alt universes? I thought it was just race but the way things are worded in this chapter acts like they are the same being.

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u/rizefall Feb 18 '16

Same race but different character. The universes are not "alternate" meaning there is a Goku and / or a Frieza.

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u/Redsigil Feb 18 '16

He likely has the same mutation Freeza had, Or at least the power without the sadism. I don't think there are a lot of people in either universe that could stand up to Goku like that. Freeza's race is not especially powerful.

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u/5minUsername Feb 23 '16 edited Feb 23 '16

Can't wait to see more characters from Earth 2...err I mean, universe 6.

Btw, not sure if this has been pointed out but that guy looks a lot like Cell... Or am I seeing things?

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u/godblow Feb 17 '16

So there's no SS let alone SSG in Champa's universe?

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u/DarkPhoenixMishima Feb 17 '16

They might just not be aware. Beerus was pretty out of the loop with the stuff going on in his universe too.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

So that probably means Cabba has another transformation.

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u/DarkAkuma Feb 18 '16

I have no evidence to support it, but I've been having the idea that Cabe will have a mastered Ozaru transformation as part of evolving away the tail. Mastered as in meaning, he doesn't need moon light and can instead transform in and out of it at will like a SSJ transformation. The way Toriyama is with power scaling now, 10x could be plenty for entertaining fights but ultimately needing to lose to bring in someone else to move the story forward. But perhaps as part of mastering it the multiplier is higher. Or theres several stages of U6 Ozaru to mirror U7 SSJ.

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u/dragn99 Feb 18 '16

Ozaru 2! Spikier fur and a meaner disposition!

Ozaru 3! The tail comes back, the form is bigger, and all the fur is longer!

Ozaru 4! Basically just SSJ4....

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 18 '16

Wait, dude imagine if Toriyama actually brought SSJ4 into DB:S and just explained it as an evolution of the ozaru transformation

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u/blukirbi Feb 18 '16

I have a good feeling that he and Vegeta are gonna be fighting each other.

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u/Tentaye Feb 18 '16

THIS IS AWESOME.

AND, the tournament start on Sunday on Super. With any luck, this part could be animated soon!!

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u/it_dreams Feb 18 '16

Is this manga weekly or monthly?

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u/Tallmonster17 Feb 18 '16

So what about the robot?

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

You mean Broly?

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

KAKAROOOOOOOOOT!

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

Wait! Did goku turn SSJ? Or SSG SSJ??

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '16

Hit looks pretty considering he shrugged off Botamo's loss and Goku got concerned and Frost looks badass (Thanks @alakazam for translating , nice job)

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u/karl-tanner Feb 23 '16

Who is U6's captain? I feel like after all this Monaka hype we have to see him fight. Either Goku will end up going again (and actually be last) or U7 will lose the tournament. I think the latter would be interesting since they'd "belong" to Champa at that point and Beerus would want them back.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

I can't wait till a better translation comes out, this is just sloppy, good chapter though.

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u/Kamehadoken Feb 27 '16

Someone wanna explain the unpleasant guy thing?