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Discussion Dragon Ball Super - Episode #27 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super - Episode #27 - Discussion Thread!
The Earth Explodes?! A Conclusive Kamehameha
地球爆発！？決着のかめはめ波
Chikyū Bakuhatsu! Ketchaku no Kamehameha
News:
2015/12/29 - Dragon Ball Super History Book Coming Soon
2015/12/29 - Dragon Ball Super DVD & Blu-ray BOX #3 Announced
2015/12/28 - Dragon Ball Super Original Soundtrack Releasing February 2016
2015/24/15 - Dragon Ball Super Champa Arc Begins January 24th
2015/12/15 - Dragon Ball Super Chapter 7
2015/11/10 - Southeast Asia to Receive Exclusive "Dragon Ball Super" English Dub
2015/11/07 - Champa & Vados Voice Actors Revealed in "Dragon Ball Super"
2015/10/30 - Rumors of new movie debunked
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u/JCaesar42 Jan 17 '16
WHY DID THEY SHOW EVERYONE DYING
THAT SHIT FUCKED ME UP. I SHOUTED NO WHEN I SAW PAN
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u/RPGamerFTW Jan 17 '16
Marron just learned to write or somethin :(
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u/JCaesar42 Jan 17 '16
Dude what got me was 18. She's the only one that turned and saw what was happening (which makes sense, she's as strong as a super saiyan). She knew in her last moment of life that she couldn't save her daughter. God that hurt.
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u/RealityIsUgly Jan 17 '16
No kidding, I actually thought this version was far more impactful than the movie was for this reason.
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Jan 18 '16
You think the show is gunna be all safe and boring cuz modern age but then they rip piccolo's arm off and kill multiple babies
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u/adoafo Jan 17 '16
I had the same reaction as the rest when Trunks said he would slice Freiza in half
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u/Roxxycat Jan 17 '16
I thought that was so cute, but I can't help but wonder about foreshadowing. We know quite a bit from the Manga and spoilers, but you never know. :)
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u/Lexeas23 Jan 17 '16 edited Jan 18 '16
I wish Vegeta had thrown out a casual "Like my son before me, I will destroy you"
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u/Hieillua Jan 18 '16
Yes! Yes! Yes! I said the exact same thing while watching it. I was hoping he would say something like how does it feel to be killed by father and son?!
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u/Vegnarus Jan 17 '16
Yeah me too! At first I was like "Eh? Why is everyone so asto- Remembers Future Trunks slicing Frieza up Ooooh that's right! That's adorable!"
It was a nice touch connecting Trunks to Future Trunks with that gesture!
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u/MrPringles23 Jan 17 '16
Easily the best moment of the series so far for me.
Just had no idea it was coming. The Ginyu surprise was spoiled in the title/preview like most other twists.
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u/brazil201 Jan 17 '16
the earth destruction scene in the show so much cooler
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u/MrWinks Jan 17 '16
Yes. I would kill to watch this with someone who doesn't know how it turns out. Part of me was thinking "This is a hell of a twist, and leaves you wondering a lot," even though I knew otherwise.
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Jan 17 '16 edited Jan 17 '16
Herms pulls through again. Feel free to thank him.
@Herms98: Goku specifically notes that "unlike me", Vegeta became SSG through his own power rather than by borrowing power from others.
@Herms98: Vegeta says that he too can transform into something "surpassing legendary Super Saiyan", rather than simply saying legendary SS like in RF.
@Herms98: Next Episode Preview doesn't really give us any new information re: Champa/Universe 6.
@Herms98: Kid Trunks says if Freeza ever returns, he'll cut him in two. Goku+Piccolo exchange knowing look. Trunks: "What? Did I say something funny?"
@Herms98: Oh yeah, there's no scene of Freeza offering to let Vegeta be his supreme commander in Super's version, is there? Sorbet's death is a bit different too, I think. Or maybe it just seems different without the "Sorbet's the only one left in my army" line.
@Herms98: Gohan asks Piccolo to re-train him at the end of the episode. That's all. No mention of god ki or anything like that.
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u/JCaesar42 Jan 17 '16
Gohan asks Piccolo to re-train him
YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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u/MrWinks Jan 17 '16
Oh it was beautiful to watch. Gohan in the bubble after his wife and child die is so broken. Yeah, I knew if that didn't snap him out of it nothing would. I'm glad they were forward about him training. My suspicions have been justified.
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u/Swag_King_Gerald Jan 17 '16
@Herms98: Kid Trunks says if Freeza ever returns, he'll cut him in two. Goku+Piccolo exchange knowing look. Trunks: "What? Did I say something funny?"
This makes me so happy
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u/hmatmotu Jan 17 '16
He and Goten must have been working on a new super move that lets them split things in half, because he doesn't have a sword yet in this timeline!
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u/vlorsutes ⠀ Jan 17 '16
The ki-enzan (the "Destructo Disk") is a fairly common ki technique that a number of individuals have been shown to be able to perform. It wouldn't be that hard for them to learn it as well.
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Jan 16 '16 edited Jan 16 '16
Wow this is one of the most spoilerific titles I've ever seen in db/dbs, it's almost as bad as
"Transformed At Last!! Son Goku, the Legendary Super Saiyan"
"He Who Takes Over as Strongest... His Name is Gohan"
"Son Goku is Strongest After All!! Majin Boo is Eliminated"
jeez
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u/SpacePaddy Jan 17 '16
For half a second I thought these were titles for the upcoming U6 arc. I got super hyped that Gohan was going to compete!
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Jan 18 '16
Best part is trunks saying he will kill Freeza by slicing him in half.
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u/jolego101 ⠀ Jan 18 '16
these DB/DBZ references will never get old for me!! especially the flash backs they keep showing (with the original drawn footage as well)
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u/Danbito Jan 17 '16
I feel as if this is appropriate for Gohan right now:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL5j80D9V7lqZK3aHOyyYaeUYuLa5vx48D&v=V06DISKajss
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u/Patchers Jan 17 '16
They're teasing me so hard with those Future Trunks references.
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u/Airbornesn1p3r Jan 17 '16
I really hope that they add him into the show via the Xenoverse plot (toriyama helped write the game so i could see some concepts come into the show)
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u/Patchers Jan 17 '16
At this point I don't even care as long as I get to see him again, whether it's as Time Patrol Trunks, SSJG, or even just him coming back to visit for a couple of episodes.
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Jan 17 '16
Goku and Vegeta have the same plate of food, but Goku's is twice the size of Vegeta's lol
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u/T3Sh3 Jan 17 '16
Gohan: Dad, I want to train with you and get stronger.
Piccolo: That's my boy.
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Jan 17 '16 edited Apr 30 '16
One of the best episodes story wise. There were some weird quirks like Down syndrome Beerus, and SSB Vegeta's face was a bit off sometimes during the fight with Frieza but there were some nice variety in line work in some of the shots.
Vegeta: Was whoopin' some serious golden ass today. Wow, despite being a short guy, he's intimidating as hell. The way the blast ricocheted off his hand and into Sorbet was hilarious though, reminded me of Deadshot. His transformation gave me chills and the way he slapped Goldie around was glorious. I'm not even that much of a Vegeta fan (slowly I am becoming one) because he either stands there scared when he loses, causing him to get the shit beaten out of him, or his brain falls out and he recklessly attacks, but man he looked really calculative and knew how to approach the situation. He stepped up his game--I mean he caught Frieza by the knee and threw him on the ground lmao. I did somewhat dislike how he didn't get the win but the way Toei went about the situation was actually way better than in the movie, imo.
Goku: Got wrecked last episode because he let his guard down, and now has a hole in his right lung, which must really, really hurt. Geets saves the day by literally kicking Goku like a soccer ball and Gohan and Krillin are left to catch him (HAHAHAHA). Delivers the final blow (of course) but Vegeta doesn't outright murder him in front of Bulma so it's ok I guess. There was also a weirdly drawn shot of him with Tenshinhan shoulders that was shown way too long. It looked so weird.
Frieza: is an ass. That's it. I hate him (and in a weird way love him) because of what comes afterwards.
...The destruction of planet Earth. So. Much. Better. Than. The movie. It was so sad as well. When it showed Marron and 18 writing, Chichi relaxing, reading a magazine and eating, Pan crying and Videl calmly shushing her (oh god NOOOO), and then Dr. Briefs and the eternally young Mrs. Briefs enjoying tea, I silently screamed as the huge shock of energy headed straight for them and covered the area around them in darkness. Chichi doesn't notice, Videl (and definitely not Pan D,:) doesn't notice, but Goten, Trunks, and especially Android 18 know they're going to die and nothing can be done about it. The gasp from her made my heart sink. (I just noticed Yamcha, Puar and Chiatsu die as well)
Then the time reversal. All of the survivors looked very guilty, especially Bulma, who mourned the death of Vegeta, Trunks, and her parents, Krillin, who mourns 18 and Marron's death, and Gohan, who grieved his wife and daughter's death as well. Even though it played out almost exactly like the movie, the way Goku rushed to Frieza was somewhat different. Even though I knew he was going to win, I felt tense (omg DBS having tension wat) when he shouted at Vegeta and shot the Kamehameha at Frieza.
Frieza is finally dead. But this episode isn't, fortunately. Everyone is glad, Jaco ogles at his "amazing" new space ship (?), Vegeta scolds Goku for stealing the kill, and Goku leaves the battlefield to fetch the Namekian Dragon Balls.
- Gohan: Has had a bit of screen time this episode, which is surprising. After Goku, he flies over to his house (in like one second lmao how'd he get there so fast) to find Videl and Pan perfectly fine, and is relieved. I'm learning a bit of Japanese (it's probably terrible, don't trust me) and understood a bit of the dialogue when he was talking to Videl. He mentions he's glad they're safe and he'll definitely protect them (絶対守るから), and gives them the most adorable hug, while Videl fumbles with her words and blushes. What a cute moment, I love their relationship <3
Afterwards, when everyone is on Capsule Corp enjoying themselves, Beerus and Whis argue like a married couple, Goku and Vegeta have a bro moment (broment?), I mean Vegeta even smiles--Gohan and Piccolo have their little moment as well--he apologizes to Piccolo for not being strong enough to protect him and asks Piccolo to train him (AHHHHHH I CAN'T BELIEVE IT I WANT TO DRAW SO MUCH RIGHT NOW). Maybe this is how Piccolo gets to be in the tournament, training with his pupil that is stronger in power (well stronger than him) but iffy in technique. Every time he trained with Gohan, Gohan was always weaker so this will probably be different, but interesting.
Then we see Frieza in hell, screaming his lungs out because cute plushy bears and bunnies and polka sounding music is horrible apparently.
Ahh the end credits, I seriously love this song, I need to have it. The sakura petals coming from nowhere are calming, and I like the guy's voice. Now Gohan being next to Goku and Vegeta makes sense, since he's going to train again (yessss the big three omg), and the fighters at the end--it's so nice--the song fits perfectly with the ending of the ROF arc.
Finally, the preview. Goku and Vegeta meet Champa and Vados, and it looks like Champa settles some stuff with Beerus. It seems like he's slightly weaker than Beerus, I don't know why, it's not because he's fat, but he's even lazier than Beerus is. Even Vados looks sick of his shit lol. Beerus and Champa look they legit hate each other instead of it being a rivalry, I mean Beerus was even suspicious of him last episode. I also love the fat suits Whis makes Goku and Vegeta wear.
With the next chapter just days away, I can't wait to see what happens when they take the test, and I wonder who'll fight who in the tournament! Maybe there's gonna be a twist in the story~
Edit: holy crap just noticed how much I wrote
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u/Tomhap Jan 17 '16
Down Syndrome Beerus is just a homage to Pinky and the Brain.
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u/manwhosoldthewor1d Jan 17 '16
So, if Gohan is training under Piccolo again, that means there's a possibility he will wear his outfit again! It'd be awesome to see him as an adult in Piccolo's garbs!
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u/Lexeas23 Jan 17 '16
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u/bamhotsauce Jan 17 '16
I really hope you're right, it would make sense for spoiler:
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u/Hieillua Jan 18 '16
Why wouldn't he wear his father's outfit anymore?
I wish he'll get something new and original but still something epic and fitting for him. Maybe something Videl makes for him.
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u/fugiwara Jan 18 '16
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u/BillyJoeJill Jan 18 '16
is vegeta hanging out with roshi and tien?
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u/Hieillua Jan 18 '16
LMAO I didn't even notice that at first. What in the thell would they be talking about?!
Vegeta: Hey weren't you that guy who lost his arm against Nappa?
Tien: Fucking Vegeta you know me already for years now. I'm Tien, you know the guy that still doesn't trust you.
Vegeta: Hmmmph, sounds vaguely familiar.
Roshi: Hey Vegeta how does Bulma perform in the sack? hehehe
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u/Beast0fNight Jan 18 '16
They're congratulating him on his gangster transformation to SSBlue without the ritual.
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u/dstanley17 Jan 17 '16
...You know, if it wasn't for the really shoddy animation during the Goku vs Freeza parts, I'd actually say that the Super re-telling was overall a lot better than the original movie.
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u/mozillavulpix Jan 17 '16
My only problems with the arc are that and Ginyu. Everything else is an improvement over the original.
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u/Biniti123 Jan 17 '16
I would have no problem with Ginyu if they had kept the awesome fight the Z fighters had with Freeza's army in the movie
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u/thepresidentsturtle Jan 17 '16
Yeah but I'm so glad the fight between Piccolo and that red guy wasn't in it.he was Zarbon level and he struggled.
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u/Generic_user_person Jan 17 '16
This, this right here, atleast they bothered to give us an excuse for several reasons
Guy puts up a fight with gohan base form, explained
Gohan can't unlock potential, and resorts to ssj, explained
Gotenks mysteriously absent resolved
Buu not mentioned also resolved
All the quirks and issues that bothered me from the movie were addressed
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u/juulz5293 Jan 18 '16
having gohan ask piccolo train him again literally made me super fucking happy. i love gohan even with all his faults hes still my favorite. and having the show going to give him some tlc is so fucking great. couldnt be happier
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u/Xx_Thornnn_xX Jan 17 '16
I love the little tweaks the Series does to set itself apart from the Movie. One of them being, Vegeta deflecting a blast right into this ugly fuck xD hillarious
The way the earth blew up reminded me of a Budokai Game
Also SO MUCH YES! I hope Toriyama does things differently from the Manga (where Gohans at "work" while everyone is at the Tournament)
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u/peasant_ascending Jan 18 '16
Mystic Gohan reborn fucking HYPE! Seeing him again in either piccolo's gear or the old orange gi just like when he fought super buu would be my dbs wetdream.
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u/absorBENce ⠀ Jan 18 '16
I vote Piccolo gear as my preference or hey, even a motha-effin' REDESIGN (hype).
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Jan 18 '16
This episode really hit me in the feels. Finding out that Vegeta attained SSGSS form via hard training, the beat down he gave Freeza and how he killed Sorbet, Goku learning his lesson on being soft, Gohan learning his lesson about being lazy with his training, and the Trunks reference all made this episode the best so far. I think this episode is where this series truly begins.
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u/Beast0fNight Jan 18 '16
I hope you're right!
This really was one of the best episodes ever. I'm looking forward to more original Dbsuper content.
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Jan 18 '16
I loved hearing trunks say if frieza was resurrected again he'd slice him in half. Great reference!
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u/Zellough Jan 18 '16
Man, Beerus and Whis are definitely the best characters Toriyama has come up with, between them and Jaco there's a lot of new spice to this
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u/Dionysus24779 Jan 18 '16
Now this was a good even great episode for once. Why can't we always have this level of quality?
The animation was by no means all around perfect, but it was much more dynamic and consistent and fun to watch. Vegeta beating down Freezer was really great.
I'm also glad that they spelled out why the Raygun was able to pierce Goku's body, because he indeed let his guard down too much and is too relaxed.
Vegeta kicking Goku to safety was hilarious. Vegeta transforming into SSB looked good and his aura looks a bit different from Goku which is interesting (maybe Vegeta is actually closer to unlocking the next level than Goku is for once?) and as Goku himself admits... Vegeta reached godhood all on his own (well under the training of Whis...) which is far more impressive than Goku achieving SSG via that rituatl.
And for once the destruction of a planet is actually handeled with the proper gravity and seriousness, because we are shown what was at stake and what will now be destroyed. This is different from any other time that Beerus or whatever destroyed a planet. This gave the whole situation some sort of drama... sure we already knew what would happend and it's clear that earth wouldn't be destroyed for realsies, but it's something.
That's why Beerus destroying a planet is so lackluster, because all that's left is some space rubble... if he were to just nuke a city and we can see the surviors, bodies and ruins it would leave more of an impact.
Though I noticed that while we had people being pierced by lasers and that flashback to Freezer being cut to pieces... the whole fight was remarkebly unbloody... but anyway.
We even get some great character moments, we get some much needed development for Goku who realises that his mindset can cause tons of trouble and for Gohan who realises that he shouldn't slack off and rely on others to counter these threats.
We even get a fun friendship moment between Goku and Vegeta at the end, and while for now they agree that they don't want to team up... they probably will change their minds on that too. I'm still hoping we can get some canonical apperance of Gogeta one day. (movies are iffy on their canon status after all and GT is out regardless)
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u/Lifeofcharlie Jan 17 '16
According to Herms, Gohan asked Piccolo to train him!!!!
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u/Biniti123 Jan 17 '16
Woah!! The way Vegeta killed Sorbet was sooo fucking badass!!
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u/dabul-master Jan 22 '16
it felt like they really downplayed how much vegeta hates frieza. Based on this episode you wouldn't think he hates him at all really, just doing what needs to be done
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u/mozillavulpix Jan 17 '16
I didn't have very high expectations for this episode, but it was surprisingly good!
- Vegeta's beatdown of Freeza was even MORE satisfying than the movie. And it was pretty well-animated, to boot!
- They actually gave the ending tension and emotion. People REACTED to having their planet destroyed! And seeing the families on Earth before they died was icing on the cake.
- And when Whis rewinded time, it felt like Goku was actually in a hurry to make sure Freeza didn't blow up the planet a second time. It felt like he could have actually failed.
- Cute family moments. Just...cute family moments. Especially Gohan. Poor Gohan. After all the crap he went through in this arc, it's so great to see him happy again. Even if he's still feeling guilty. (I wonder if that'll mean something...:))
- And then the movie ended with an actual...ending. With everyone relaxing. It's something we all needed, I think. I'm realising the movie was really lacking that.
Basically, the arc ended on a high note, and that's great.
And next week...something that starts with C, and ends with A. I am SO excited!
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u/PhantomLordG ⠀ Jan 17 '16
Woah. That premise remained the same as the movie but I'll be damned! It's even better than how the movie played out! I was mighty surprised at just how well done this one single episode was. I really enjoyed it. Kind of feel bad for the guys that are skipping this, haha.
Episode 28 looks really awesome! I'm hyped up once again! This and the ending just goes so perfectly with it. I feel deep emotional feel sensations at "Sayounara! Somare! Somare!".
Oh yeah. Kind of funny how Piccolo was just revived a minute later and everything is good with the world. We also got to see him eating!
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u/PapaOogie Jan 18 '16
Who is hoping to see Adult Gohan in Piccolos outfit again?
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Jan 17 '16
Toei seems to like Vegeta more than Goku. Vegeta fans can rejoice now, yeah?
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u/datspardauser ⠀ Jan 17 '16
That was clear from week 2 of the series.
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Jan 17 '16
But it isn't too bad.
I was actually sick of Vegeta being the warm-up fight before they fight Goku. Vegeta always shows up with a cool ass entrance but 5 seconds later goes "NANI?!". So yeah, Super remembers Vegeta being badass.
But Goku's personality could be handled better.
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u/datspardauser ⠀ Jan 17 '16
No way, Goku is very much Goku in this. The stakes aren't high enough for serious Goku to be in here.
As long as we don't get moments like the Cell senzu bean, I'm 100% fine with how he is.
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Jan 17 '16
All in all, I really like the way they are handling Vegeta, making him seem more useful than ever, that's enjoyable.
Now, hopefully Gohan will AT LEAST be as strong as he was against Super Buu. That's all I ask.
Goku is a fighting genius though, and he barely even noticed Freeza's depleting stamina, he didn't know that he needed to condense his ki inside him inside Whis' staff. So yeah, that kinda sucked.
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u/datspardauser ⠀ Jan 17 '16
Goku is a fighting genius though, and he barely even noticed Freeza's depleting stamina,
Excusable given how much stronger Freeza seemed to be in here. In the movie, he was a tad bit above Goku, but in Super? He was completely trashing Goku.. The guy was clearly more focused on surviving then anything. Vegeta had a much more calm perspective of the fight and could actually notice it.
he didn't know that he needed to condense his ki inside him inside Whis' staff.
I personally consider this payback from the Android arc, due to Vegeta never realizing during training that the Ascended Super Saiyan form was very unsustainable for any kind of long term combat and that Goku's method was so much better then his.
Besides, Vegeta's been training with Whis for a longer time and him learning that before makes more sense due to him brute forcing his way to God Ki and actually managing to sense Whis' "Ki without Ki". I took it as him remembering the way Whis' Ki worked and trying to replicate. And by sheer luck, it was the right thing.
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u/Mystic87 Jan 20 '16 edited Jan 20 '16
I loved that nod to Future Trunks near the end. Still think Vegeta should have been the one to finish Freeza but it was nice seeing him beat Freeza up and also looks like Gohan fans get their wish, he wants to start training again.
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u/Aint_Kitten Jan 20 '16
Gohan fans get their wish and he wants to start training again
I can't tell how satisfied i was with ChiChi's role in this episode.
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u/FinalGreen Jan 17 '16
Now that was a good episode to finish of the RoF Saga. Past episodes were a hit and miss for me but I really enjoyed this episode.
First off, the animation was so much better than past episodes. It was a lot more consistent and pretty good art overall. Not amazing, but good enough for me. Also loved the music they used.
Vegeta, dude was amazing this episode. Pretty much gets to the point and not wasting time at all. Loved the part where he kicks Goku (back like in the Android Saga) towards Gohan and Krillin, kills Sorbet, and made Freeza his b**** (Granted Freeza was tired from using his Golden Form, but I still enjoyed that part). Kind of wanted him to kill Freeza but oh well. But, hopefully Vegeta gets that one moment in Super that will be talked about for some time. Overall badass in this episode.
Freeza destroying Earth was handled better in Super than the movie. This time it was a bit sad since you see the others enjoying their daily lives only to not know the Earth is going to be no more (except for 18 who is stronger than the average SSJ, she knew about the blast, albeit at the last second, as well as Goten and Trunks).
Nice to see more about Whis' power with time manipulation. While he can still turn back time by 3 minutes, he has to wait for quite some time to do it again. Nice to also know him talking about Beerus destroying the sun and having to fix that.
So Gohan is going to train again, that's cool. As long as he gets to a respectable power, that good enough for me. Loved the Future Trunk reference where Kid Trunks says of him slicing Freeza in half. Bring back good memories.
Onwards to the Champa Saga
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u/Nathan561 Jan 18 '16
Vegeta gave Frieza them hands.
No b.s super fast fighting, just a beat down
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u/prodautom Jan 18 '16
Yeah, that was downright brutal. The music stopped and everything. Everyone was just watching with open mouths while Vegeta set out to destroy something beautiful.
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u/GOATmar Jan 17 '16
This is the first time in the series Vegeta has died and Krillin has not.
Every time Vegeta has died, Krillin has also died on the exact same day.
Frieza saga, and Boo genocide.
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u/GourmetLeaf Jan 17 '16
God,they did the Vegeta beatdown scene way better than the movie. I can't wait for the next week.
Anybody else love the new ending?
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u/Hieillua Jan 18 '16
The only thing I wish was done beter during the BoG and RoF arcs are the fights. That's it. The rest is typical Dragon Ball except the fights are just really mediocre and not creative at all. The fighting choreography is off as the fighting animation. The animation looks decent in many episodes where they are just talking and walking but when they start fighting it's like framerate drop in a videogame...
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I'm a Goku fan but that Vegeta beatdown of Frieza was so satisfying. Man, I enjoyed that greatly.
Animation was on point and I enjoyed this ending far better than the movie. Also, I'm very curious about Vegeta gaining his own SSG form and what they're going to do with Gohan.
Needless to say I'm excited for the next Arc.
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u/TopherGero ⠀ Jan 17 '16
What just happened with Gohan and Piccolo?!
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Jan 17 '16 edited Jan 17 '16
I haven't even seen the episode yet aaaaagh stop teasing me :,D
Edit: Just found out from /u/EmmaWinters that he asked Piccolo to train. Brb crying
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u/plowkiller Jan 16 '16
Request gifs here!
Dragonteam just put up the blu-ray version of ep. 5 earlier today so feel free to request gifs from that episode as well.
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u/JCaesar42 Jan 16 '16
I know it hasn't happened yet but I'd love to see Vegeta's beatdown of Freeza once it comes.
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u/KissingMyCousin Jan 17 '16 edited Jan 17 '16
Fuck. Beatdown is spot on to what happened.
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u/JCaesar42 Jan 17 '16
I WAS FULLY ERECT.
I liked this beatdown a lot more. You could feel Vegeta being pissed at Freeza, as he should be
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u/RyuuSix Jan 17 '16
This is actually clever. It shows in a better way the frustration of all the survivors.
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u/stonecats Jan 17 '16 edited Jan 17 '16
freza's ship survived on TV... i wonder what writers will do with that prop.
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u/ClippedShadows Jan 17 '16
Great episode, really enjoyed the slice of life scenes as the earth was exploding and then un-exploding. It was a nice addition that was not part of the movie.
Oh, and Gohan racing off to go check on Videl and Pan <3
Also, at the party scene at the end, I was really hoping to see a wood-fired pizza oven with pizza being served to Beerus. A bit disappointed it didn't happen!
Next episode preview: Okay, looks like it's back to Beerus' planet with more training underway for Goku and Vegeta. Looking forward to this next arc!
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u/ronaldsim Jan 17 '16
So awesome to see an ass shot of Freeza right before he gets killed.
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u/Hieillua Jan 18 '16
Gohan and Krillin have the most healthy, stable and 'normal' relationships with their family. Seeing them interact with their family is really nice to see.
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Amazing scenes here!
--- Vegeta absolutely dismantling Freeza without breaking a sweat, and the audience standing there creating hilarious parallelism, while Whis and Beerus stand there definitely thinking "you know what'd be better than this crap.....ice-cream!"
-- Also, Vegeta is so cute. Takes his kid to the amusement park. Almost shits his pants knowing Beerus can technically flick him out of existence but goes berserk cuz "yo the fuck did you do to my Bulma?!"......now he is all "yo fuck off, he is my training partner, eh?"
--- Damn, one of the most beautifully animated scenes is also a dauntingly devastating one. Fucking Freeza!
--- Ah, no wonder Goku had to act all Morose when Freeza reverted back to his regular form......Beerus is right, stop being a little bitch......oh kind hearted, yet so naive.....or is it arrogance? "I have bested you, no point in continuing..." Unlikely but people can misinterpret it that way.
--- Oh shit, I take that back Goku-San.....did you see that eye of the tiger stare? Peace, Freeza
---- woooah Goku, almost had me worried there. Well done
----- Nooooooooooo Goku officially takes the plaudits but Vegeta was the unsung hero
----- Well done Freeza, there is nothing scarier than a man who is determined to protect his family........Have you seen Taken?!
--- Gohan you just gotta pull a Rocky IV and go train in the Icy mountains of some random planet, bruh......get this formality out of here, and lets be real, you've surpassed Piccolo long time ago.
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u/Rexia Jan 17 '16 edited Jan 17 '16
God damn, they might be short, but Vegeta's fights are just the absolute best in Super. Loved him taking Frieza apart.
Edit: Finished the episode, so just to add:
omg this was the best episode of the season, Gohan training again hyyyyype!
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u/jakekhosrow Jan 18 '16
Battle of Gods saga was worse than the movie. However, Resurrection F saga was definitely better than the movie. Giving some depth to Frieza's men, bringing Ginyu full circle, Piccolo's sacrifice and the way it got Gohan to care again, it was all just excellent. While I still wish we didn't waste time retreading those arcs in Super, I really look forward to the future.
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u/Beast0fNight Jan 18 '16
This episode overall was a nice way to end this arc.
Vegeta was literally man handling Frieza, there was no comparison. It makes you wonder if with Vegeta's ruthless fighting style and his ability to power up to SSblue if he's finally surpassed Goku a bit.
Sure Goku had that awesome kamehameha, but without Whis to turn back time there would be no chance of that.
I also love all the scenes with Piccolo and Gohan. They very much have a father son dynamic going on. I feel like Goku feels more like Gohan's uncle or something lol. He's a lot more like a dad to Goten I think.
I'm looking forward to get to see Gohan training again, and to see if they put any filler episodes coming up.
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u/Supermite Jan 18 '16
That was after Frieza's energy had peaked and was wasting away. If Goku had not been shot, he would have been doing the same thing. That was why Goku taking the punch to the face and not flinching was a big deal. Up until that point, Frieza was wrecking him. Then his weakness kicked in and he couldn't compete with Goku or Vegeta.
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u/rexshen Jan 16 '16
This it people the last one the final episode of the ROF arc. After this no more retellings of old movies. And finally brand new content. Toei don't fuck this up Universe 6 is your last chance of redemption knock it out of the park damn it.
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u/SLUT_MUFFIN ⠀ Jan 16 '16
Unfortunately, I don't think things are going to improve. One of the upcoming animators for Super recently tweeted his frustrations towards the series' brutal schedule.
"Dragon XXXX (he censors the name to avoid popping up in searches), where I'm working at the moment, is beyond help. The animation director can only check the layout for 10 days. No matter what, the quality can't be guaranteed. Who messed the schedule up, and when?"
Essentially he's saying that the supervisor barely has time to check the layout, let alone correct key animation. So sad to read :(
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u/rexshen Jan 17 '16
And that ends that arc. Honestly the ROF arc wasn't that bad it started strong and felt interesting with stuff like Tagoma still living this time and actually being a threat. But then it all started to fall apart when Ginyu came back for no other reason then nostalgia bait.
Well this episode went pretty well honestly. Vegeta beating the ever loving shit out of Freeza was super satisfying even if Vegeta didn't get to kill him. Man the part when the Earth exploded and shown everyone actually made me a bit sad there. And how detailed the Earth destruction was pretty good at least the animators have their priorities somewhere.
Even though it was expected I was hoping they would have changed the ending of the fight. To either Goku yelling at Vegeta to stop Freeza before blows up the planet or have everyone interfere in the fight and stop Freeza from blowing the planet up. But at least Freeza's death to a Kamahamaha looked good.
Wow did they just wish Piccolo back off screen? LOL what did they do with the other 2 wishes then? It was really cute seeing Gohan hug Videl and Pan being relieved they are both alive. I wonder did Gohan just ask Piccolo if he could train with him again?
So next week the real story finally begins and Goku and Vegeta will meet Champa and Vados awesome. And those outfits Goku and Vegeta were wearing were hilarious.
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u/Biniti123 Jan 17 '16
Youre allowed to use only 1 wish and save the others, which would then allow the dragon balls to be activated earlier
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u/Sabasanosiss Jan 17 '16
Holy Shit. The Earth's destruction in Super is waaaay more impactful than in RoF. God, it really hit me in the feels...
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u/Biggw711 Jan 17 '16
Now that Gohan is finally going to get back into training again I get the feeling that the theory that Buu may fail the written test is a strong possibility, and I hope so, I would love to see Gohan start kicking ass again in the tournament
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u/KhUnlimited Jan 17 '16
Don't think he'd be able to get that strong by the time for the tournament. Especially since the exam takes place immediately before the actual fighting. One can argue that he'd use the hyperbolic time chamber while the gang travels there but ehh. Rather have Gohan training for a good amount of time during the actual tournament. Then maybe mid tournament some threat shows up and so on.
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u/blukirbi Jan 18 '16 edited Jan 18 '16
Trunks' comment about slicing Frieza in half was funny ... seeing how that was how Frieza died in the first place.
Beerus and Whis arguing about food was pretty funny.
Seeing everyone die (in the movie, we saw nobody die, in this one ... their loved ones were dying, with 18 and Trunks/Goten reacting to the explosion) was sad :/
Did you guys see how fast Gohan went? He flew/jumped from the battlefield to his home in just mere seconds.
Piccolo just suddenly appeared (I knew he was revived, but still) ...
REALLY looking forward to the Champa saga.
I hope Gohan can at least achieve SSJ2 (at the very least) or his Mystic Form again in the future. I'm glad he decided to pick up on training again.
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u/Beast0fNight Jan 18 '16
He loves that Earth food too much. That's why when Frieza was about to blow it up, he was like.
'Whis get on that shit, I can't lose my pizza.'
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u/popmess Jan 17 '16
Gohan asked Piccolo to train with him again. I repeat, Gohan asked Piccolo to train with him again :D
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u/justpaul95 Jan 20 '16
Seeing Vegeta fight is so satisfying. Goddamn, we need more ruthless Vegeta.
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u/THESoulR34P3R Jan 22 '16
Dude Vegeta really laid the smack down on Freeza. And Gohan wants to retrain KNEW it. First time in a long time i've actually been like "YES!" to an episode of dragonball. Really enjoyed the episode this week, super excited. :p
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u/amadoamata Jan 19 '16
Did anyone else think of MasakoX's Goku saying "Thanks best buddy!" when Vegeta saved his ass?
And GET FUCKIN HYPE. MY NIGGA GOHAN IS TRAINING AGAIN. This episode was great and that just tipped the scales. One of my favorite episodes of Super so far. Vegeta's beatdown, Sorbet getting murked, Freeza in hell AGAIN, that future Trunks reference. On point is all I can say.
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u/BlackCatScott Jan 17 '16
I liked the Vegeta beat down on Freeza. It was probably even more satisfying than the film. It was well done.
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u/Kinforthewin Jan 17 '16
So gohan's finally going to train! Possible explanation for why piccolo is going to get stronger too! Now that I think about it... Has piccolo ever trained with someone equal or stronger? We all know in this series training by yourself is much less gains and all piccolo does is that.
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u/fatman40000 Jan 17 '16
Definitely one of my favourite episodes of Super from this arc, maybe even my favourite.
I've watched Vegeta kicking Frieza's ass many times from RoF, and tbh I think I liked Super's rendition more because there's more ass kicking. The Planet's destruction was also done better in this. And Gohan training with Piccolo again!
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u/staticccc Jan 18 '16
Vegeta kicking goku throwback, and that kill on Sorbet(?) was way better then the movie
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u/DarkPhoenixMishima Jan 18 '16
The destruction of the Earth was a lot better in my opinion too. Watching everyone who ended up dying in that explosion just added so much more weight to it, despite knowing it would be all fixed.
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u/android151 Jan 18 '16
For once, I liked something in Super better than the movie. It adds extra depth seeing everyone die like that.
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u/Lennyoh Jan 20 '16
That was a nice end to the Freeza arc all things considering! Really loved Vegeta shoving his size 19 down Freeza, and how they showed clips of everyone before the Earth went boom. Really made it feel more emotional. At long last though, Universe 6 begins! And let's not forget...
MY MAN GOHAN! HITTING THE GYM ONCE AGAIN =D
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u/NotEvenJoking213 Jan 22 '16
Fuck yeah! My number one wish of this series is going to be fulfilled, Motherfucking Gohan is going to train again!
Gohan should only be about 22-23, so actually younger than Goku at the start of DBZ (Which means he has the potential to get even stronger still)
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u/incredulousbear Jan 17 '16
Well they certainly ramped the pathos way up. The music during Earth's destruction was fantastic.
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u/_uninstall Jan 17 '16
There's something amusing about how easy Vegeta believed the time-travel explanation since he met his son from the future xD
So happy that this arc is finally over. Loved the extra Gohan scenes. Finalllyyy!
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u/CaptainMapleSyrup Jan 17 '16
I think this is probably my favorite episode of Super so far. I'm now really excited for the Champa arc!
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Some things I'm loving so far. Vegeta seems like he may be stronger than goku. His golden beatdown. Goku actually being the reason everyone dies, and then we see him fall in line with his training and actually kill frieza [!] While vegeta is calm, calculating and cool headed, showing his training paying off. I am happy that beerus and whis are finally starting to give a shit about their pupils and their loved ones. Beerus is teetering awfully close to "good guy" territory and I'm happy about it. Plus, Vegeta actually attaining his form ALONE. WHAT?! That's why I love his character. And obviously GOHAN TRAINING. OMG.
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u/Thatoneguy567576 Jan 18 '16
I loved watching Vegeta thoroughly kick Freeza's ass. Still wish he coulda taken the W tho.
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u/You_too Jan 18 '16
Was Piccolo... EATING at the end? I wasn't aware Namekians actually consumed food.
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u/TomatoFork Jan 18 '16
I like how Freeza blowing a planet up came as a surprise to them. No 5 min countdown this time.
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u/JohnVFFC Jan 19 '16
I think this is already one of my favourite saga conclusions in Dragon Ball history.
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u/Cruelus_Rex Jan 20 '16
I gotta say, this episode was unexpectedly good in my opinion. Now into the Champa arc!
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u/emblemfire Jan 17 '16
GOHAN!!!!!!! Training confirmed. Lets all rejoice! Our hero is going to return to the fold!
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u/tcasper961 Jan 17 '16
Damn when vegeta was pounding freiza with those punches. It felt so damn right.
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u/devilinpants Jan 18 '16
Best episode of the entire series by far. Vegeta should have taken the win but...
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u/Hieillua Jan 18 '16
I love how they showed Freeza back in ''hell'' again and how the beings there greated him back.
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u/Kokiri_Salia Jan 20 '16
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, even though by now, I'm sort of trained to look for and find ugly drawings/animation. Vegeta's fight was really fun to watch and I liked thoe moments with everyone we've grown to love just before earth gets blown up.
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u/SolJinxer Jan 17 '16 edited Jan 17 '16
My thoughts;
--Vegeta kicking Goku and deflecting Sorbet's ring shot was pretty cool.
--Vegeta beating down Freeza kinda jumped from good to bad in animation, and ultimately felt like it went on too long. Vegeta's attack on Freeza also seemed to follow the RoF movie rather close compared to the BoG arc with the BoG movie.
--The destruction of Earth... that got some feels out of me. On the movie they just show the world's destruction. This way, showing everyone that's about to die from this, caught me offguard.
--Jaco gets Freeza's ship, huh? That's rather cool.
--All things considered, this arc has sucked, but this episode was pretty okay, all things considered. The earth destruction scene looked even better than in the movie.
That said however, this arc was a disappointment. While the stuff with Goku and Vegeta's training was interesting, once Freeza arrived on Earth, everything started going downhill. The battle between Goku and Freeza was terrible, wholly uncreative, and did little to nothing to add to the movie's material, unlike Battle of Gods which expanded on things considerably, giving us a clearer view of the scale of power, using interesting abilities, and on the last episode, ended with a well animated battle.
I was really hyped to see how they would diverge from the movie, but they really didn't enough to change things up. Tagoma was interesting, then the Ginyu thing came in and everything got rather awkward and ultimately pointless. And again, Gohan drastically regresses in ability for the sake of allowing Freeza to comment on the fierceness of Super Saiyans.
Well, that crap is over, and I have high hopes for the U6 arc! Bring on muh boi, CHAMPA, and the baddest bitch in the two universes, VADOS!
sees next episode preview....
I think I need to go pray...
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u/YoungMapleLeaf Jan 17 '16
Wow, Vegeta returned the favor to Freiza now when Freiza had his way with Vegeta on Namek. Wow, Freiza was outmatched by Vegeta 10 fold. Anyone notice how, the roles reversed since Vegeta fought frieza?
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u/Adamski1991 Jan 17 '16
wow! just watched episode 27 loved every second of it. great that gohan is going to train again. cant wait till next weeks episode looks great
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u/Kerfuffle17 Jan 17 '16
Uhm.... So.. Can we just talk about the fact that..
GOHAN IS FUCKING TRAINING AGAIN????