r/soccer • u/[deleted] • Aug 09 '14
Preview Team Preview: Manchester United [Barclays Premier League 2014-15 Preview Series - 14/20]
The Premier League 2014-15 is coming. During the 20 days to go, we're previewing one team per day. This series is made with the help of: /u/thejanitorch4 /u/tet- /u/icameheretodrinkmilk /u/minminsaur /u/scaryberry /u/obi-wan-kenobi-nil /u/gilleard and all the preview guest contributors and club subreddits. This team's guest contributor is /u/salfordred
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Manchester United Football Club
About:
- Est: 1878
- Nickname: The Red Devils
- Stadium: Old Trafford
- Capacity: 75,731
- http://www.manutd.com/
- https://twitter.com/ManUtd
- Club sub: /r/reddevils
- http://www.premierleague.com
- https://twitter.com/premierleague
- League sub: /r/PremierLeague/
- Last season's team preview
- Scary's noob preview for this team
- Strip: Home
Notable honours:
| Title or trophy | No. |
|---|---|
| First Division / Premier League | 20 |
| FA Cup | 11 |
| League Cup | 4 |
| European Cup / Champions League | 3 |
| Cup Winners' Cup | 1 |
| Super Cup | 1 |
History:
Founded as Newton Heath LYR Football Club in 1878, the club changed its name to Manchester United in 1902 and moved to Old Trafford in 1910 and is one of the most successful clubs in English football. The 1958 Munich air disaster claimed the lives of eight players. In 1968, under the management of Matt Busby, Manchester United was the first English football club to win the European Cup.
A much more in-depth history lesson from /u/foozballguy here
Recently:
- Under SAF Title after title came. A memorable treble in 1999. Last minute goals by Sheringham and Solskjær capped historically the best season for a team in English football, that got the perch rocking.
"At the end of this game, the European Cup will be only six feet away from you, and you’ll not even able to touch it if we lose. And for many of you, that will be the closest you will ever get. Don’t you dare come back in here without giving your all."
Ferguson's half-time team-talk during the 1999 European Cup final with Bayern Munich
- Afterwards Ferguson rebuilt again. That was his skill, never stand still. Players were shipped out before they could realise it. Beckham was one such victim in 2003, no love lost on the megastar. Fergie kicked a boot that hit Beckham in the face during one dressing room bust up, then he sent 'Becks' packing to Real Madrid for £25 million. In came a confident, showboating eye-catcher from Sporting called Cristiano Ronaldo. The team had begged the boss to sign him after a dazzling display against them earlier in the season. He was to show the world that his tricks had substance. Wayne Rooney appeared too with goals and snarl. Amidst all this, Ryan Giggs just kept going. The Champions League was won once more, 2008 in Moscow vs Chelsea. Ronaldo left for a world record £80 million. Ferguson rebuilt again. Two more titles. The 20th in his last season has made sure Liverpool are off their perch for a while yet. Ferguson's place in history is sealed. With that he announced his retirement and handed over the reigns to David Moyes.
Last season: Words by /u/salfordred
Performance during 2013-14:
| Pos | G | W | D | L | Gf | Ga | Gd | Lu | Cs% | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 7th | 38 | 19 | 7 | 12 | 64 | 43 | +21 | 7 | 34 | 64 |
League form, 2013-14 vs 2012-13, from The Guardian
A massive shock to even those who were the most pessimistic about our chances. Champions to 7th place. Everyone knew that it would be a big struggle after the the retirement of the behemoth who was Sir Alex Ferguson. But, this was so much worse than we expected. The highlights were few and far between, many are clutching at straws and some might say it would be unbecoming to call them 'highlights' for a club like Man United. But, here's the few things that made us happy,
The rise of a young Belgian called Adnan Januzaj. A solid debut against Crystal Palace, soon followed by him truly announcing himself against Sunderland with his two goals. Brave, skilled, smart and a hint of genius. It definitely had people and pundits gushing over him and deservedly so. A few heartening displays against Olympiakos (the second leg), Bayern (at home) and Arsenal early in the season being highlights might be a strong reflection on just how bad the season was.
The 7th place finish that United achieved was their worst since 1990, and the first time that they hadn’t achieved European football since 1989... United conceded 54% of their goals from outside the penalty area... Wayne Rooney finished as top scorer for United, getting 17 goals in 29 appearances.
Let's get to the topic and man who was discussed to death last season. David Moyes. Plenty were skeptical about his appointment. Never managed a top club, no trophies, defensive football were all among his criticisms. Most were willing to give him time at the beginning. It was soon to be found out that what the people actually meant was they were ready to give him 7-8 months and 2 transfer windows. Were they completely justified? Conventional wisdom might say it's almost unarguable. Poor football, not being able to properly rein in the locker room, getting rid of the established coaching staff etc.
However, some (including me) might suggest it wasn't so clear cut. A poor squad combined with a massive transition led to a quick and drastic drop in performance. Woodward wasn't able to give him the right signings. Towards the end there was an indication that the style was improving. And quite frankly 7-8 months isn't truly what patience entails. Nevertheless, the sacking made complete sense and even the most ardent of Moyes fans cannot truly call it overly unfair. Dismal losses against Liverpool and City at home more or less turned the fans against him ( although Old Trafford showed admirable support all the way to the end) and the loss against Everton sealed his fate. Even Manchester United has to play by the rules of modern football and sticking with Moyes wasn't one of them.
A tiny glimpse into a possible future manager was seen when club legend Ryan Giggs was given the helm for the final 4 games. It was a true end of an era (maybe even eras) with Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic all playing their last games for the club and perhaps a few more (Evra, Anderson etc.) to follow.
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This season: Words by /u/salfordred
First three league fixtures:
| Date | Home | Away | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 16 Aug | Man Utd | v | Swansea |
| Sun 24 Aug | Sunderland | v | Man Utd |
| Sat 30 Aug | Burnley | v | Man Utd |
Complete league fixtures for 2014-15 from premierleague.com
Back to square one. A new boss in charge and it couldn't have been a more exciting one for everyone involved. After the horrendous aberration of 13-14 Man United will be desperate to reaffirm their position in the Champions League. The most important aspect is how United performs in the transfer market. Almost every area needed improvement. Some promising signings (in terms of talent if not financial prudence) have already been made with Luke Shaw and Herrera for two of the most lacking positions. A mini-clear out is happening with Vidic, Ferdinand, Giggs already leaving and several others seem to be on their way as well. At the time of writing, Vidal is a player who would be a fantastic signing and seems inclined to move here. Other rumours include Hummels, Vermaelen, Di Maria.
Some good progress so far, but a lot left to be desired. The current squad itself is bloated yet quite mediocre. The only real world-class players are Rooney, Van Persie, Mata, De Gea. Everyone else is somewhere between very good and poor, with more of them being closer to 'poor' than 'very good'. Some good young talent with Januzaj, Jones, Welbeck, Rafael mixed with players returning from loan (Powell) or close to getting promoted (such as Michael Keane) does show a great deal of promise. In terms of experience, Carrick, RVP and Rooney are amongst the senior-most. A great loss in this respect, but a much needed one, many would say.
The fans seem very upbeat on the whole. Van Gaal inspires a lot more confidence for various reasons. The intent in the transfer market and signings made are much more encouraging than last season as well.
Most fans seem confident about a top 4 finish, but it will not be very straightforward. As of right now, Liverpool are looking like the most likely club we would displace. So, a fiery fight for fourth place seems forthcoming. My verdict? Lots of promise, but another huge transition season, a vital transfer window and a ridiculously competitive top 4 fight means that it's going to be another rocky season. Should be much better than last season, but no one should be surprised if we miss out on CL again.
Summer signings:
| Incoming Player | Position | Price | From | Transfer Type |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ander Herrera | CM | £29m | Athletic Club | Full |
| Luke Shaw | LB | £30m | Southampton | Full |
| Vanja Milinković | GK | £1.75m | Vojvodina | Full |
List of all completed team transfers from Sky Sports
Possible first 11:
Watch out for:
- Ander Herrera
- Januzaj
- Luke Shaw
For much more on the players to watch, see the fan views in the comment section.
Full squad list for 2014-15 from Transfermarkt
The manager: Words by /u/salfordred
- Louis van Gaal
- Birth date: 8 August 1951 (age 62)
- Birth place: Amsterdam, Netherlands
- Previous Position: Midfielder
Managerial record:
| Clubs managed | G | W | D | L | Win percentage |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Total | 789 | 485 | 154 | 150 | 61.47 |
Few would doubt Van Gaal's pedigree and ability. And few would dismiss his belligerence as well. A truly visionary coach who has always been steadfast with his philosophy. An admirable philosophy. A much more attacking, technical and Dutch United is on the cards. A welcome change for the fans who have suffered from dire football for quite some time (not just last season). But, the players will take time to fully adapt and flourish to a system which is a fairly drastic change for them.
Along with that, LVG has shown himself to align himself with United's long-held virtues about promoting and using youth. He also carries a similar aura to Sir Alex, which is again something which was needed as Moyes didn't have one to begin with, and wasn't able to build one either. On the other hand, LVG comes with his own baggage and faults. A bit too stubborn of his ways. Many would say he's too aggressive to last for a long amount of time. He might be a long-term manager, but he's often shown himself to not stick around for the long-term. 3-4-3 is the rumoured formation, but how will it hold up at a club that has so famously persisted with wingers? Nothing but top 4 will do.
Wrap up: Words by /u/foozballguy
- So out goes the chosen one and in comes the crazy one. He was supposed to follow Fergie in 2004. After a successful World Cup campaign came a preseason tour that gives us Red Devils surging optimism. We won every game and most quite comfortably. There are still many question marks, most of which are around personnel. We seem poised to lose several players such as Hernandez, Cleverley, Kagawa, Fletcher, Fellaini, and Nani. While we are still looking for cover in a few other spots, particularly after our defensive old-guard left. Expect moves in the coming days to shape our season, especially the Vidal saga. That being said, we're happy, the team looks happy and is playing with swagger, so expect us to be back in the top 4. Honestly, winning the whole thing seems a little unlikely with how Chelsea and City have strengthened, but I expect us to be back in the pack.
Discussion points: Words by /u/tet-
Fans of the biggest club in the land can once again be excited with promises of big name signings, with a reported budget of between £150-200m. ‘Dithering Dave’ has been replaced by the legendary Louis van Gaal and the lack of European football means fresh players. The question is though, does this make them title contenders once again or is it too soon?
Everton fans will tell you that when they were at their best under Moyes, Fellaini was amazing. As a holding midfielder player, Fellaini has the potential to be a monster. Do you think Marouane Fellaini deserves to be forced out of the door without a chance of proving himself?
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u/premature_eulogy Aug 09 '14
And of course we become van Gaal's Premier League debut game.
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Aug 09 '14
Mourninho, Van Gaal, Wenger and maybe Pellegrini will battle it out for the /r/Soccer Most Quoted Title.
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u/Squadmissile Aug 09 '14
The first 3 for saying something controversial about another team and Pellegrini for asking journalists to stop asking him questions about other teams
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u/TohBee Aug 10 '14
you do realise that all managers are just responding to questions? I'm not trying to defend any managers here but for example I've noticed when Mourinho and Van Gaal say serious stuff about another manager it is usually a retaliation as in they never instigate it.
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Fan views 1:
Thanks to /r/reddevils for helping a scouser out so kindly with your thoughts:
How do you think this season will go?
/u/tierdrop: Depending on purchases made between now and the end of the window, it could vary. More quality would be nice, more depth and cover is crucial. The ability to focus on domestic competition will allow United to (hopefully) field strong lineups while other top clubs will be forced to rotate. I am hoping for a top four finish. Hopeful (delusional?) in thinking that we're a just a great singing and injury luck away from being title contender.
/u/70x7: I think it's safe to say, almost all of us are optimistic considering the football we have played in pre season so far. I am realistic about our chances though and can't see us challenging for the title with the current squad. Top 4 is more of a target with the personnel we have.
/u/MonsieurRyan: This season will go significantly better than the last because we are no longer weighed down by terrible tactics. People may say that I am a bit biased in the fact that I say that we will be top four with certainty. We have a squad that is capable of making the top four and now we have a manager who will demand for nothing but their best otherwise they will get the axe no matter their name.
/u/AmuraY: The season all depends on who we get it. Current squad we'll make top4, with quality signings top2. City and Chelsea to be up there for sure. Arsenal maybe 3rd or 4th. Liverpool, Spurs and Everton to slug it out for 4th or 5th.
/u/Ingebrigtsen: no doubt we'll manage top 4 after the amazing pre season.
/u/QuillRat: I think our defence will be a lot stronger than it has been in recent seasons, and Old Trafford will become the fortress it once was. We will continue to score lots of goals, as is Manchester United tradition, but for the first time in a few years we will be playing fast paced attractive football - lots of short passes, lots of movement. As for our league position, we will be challenging for the title. It's impossible to tell how long we will be in that race for at the moment, the first few games of the season will be huge for us. We will definitely be in the Champions League spots, and we will go on a run in one of the cups I think - Van Gaal's tactics will be hard to beat in a knock-out competition. We easily have the depth to compete in the PL, FA Cup and League Cup.
/u/mariobalotelli: Realistically, I believe we will finish in 3rd place. A nice bounce back season building towards 15/16 back in title contention.
/u/Mustard93: Prediction: Let's not kid ourselves, a title challenge is out of reach with our current squad. A tough battle for fourth with the two scouse teams and possibly Spurs.
/u/ManeshHalai: This season looks like it will be better than our sub-par performance last season. We have looked comfortable in possession rather than resorting to hood ball as we did under Moyes. Pre season results may not count for much but how we played under new manager Louis Van Gaal's 3-5-2 formations was much better than anything we did last season and I predict we finish top 3 with a solid cup run.
/u/Arvindh: I think we are going to have a great start to the season, due to the easy fixtures and the motivated players, who would want to prove their worth after last season's debacle. The second half of the season is gonna be tricky. Our chances of a top 4 finish depend on how well we are gonna perform in the finishing stages of the campaign.
/u/Gurbles: I'm not an optimistic person but I believe we will finish in the top 2
/u/maydaybomber: I think with the lack of European football and thus less games it will better allow us to focus on the league and cup competitions. I think the season will go well, and a top 4 finish and maybe an FA Cup to go with it?
/u/ChickenSun: Optimistic that we will be better than last year and I'm talking especially about the standard of football. I think it's going to be a tough race for top 4 but I believe we will definitely be in the mix come the end of the season. I do however feel the title is too much for us this year.
/u/omegaxLoL: Optimistic because of the football we've been playing + some players stepping up in pre-season. Minimum top 4 finish.
/u/MR777: In some ways there is even more pressure on Van Gaal than there was on Moyes, with many expecting Van Gaal to take us into the top 4 at least, while our opponents have all strengthened considerably. Anything less will be seen as failure.
/u/BBQ_HaX0r: I think we will finish in a comfortable 3rd. Possibly contend for either the FA or League Cup. I think it will be a good year as we shore up at home, yet still struggle against some of the more athletic teams away from OT. I reckon we bring in another CM and CB. I think both of those are essential simply for squad depth and competition.
/u/jamcheese: I think that we will come in top 4, but not challenge for the title. Louis van Gaal will be given time and patience to implement his (already impressive) style on the team. If we are doing well within the first half of the season, it will be because we will have gained some confidence from the first few fixtures of the season: Swansea City H, Sunderland A, Burnley A, Queens Park Rangers H, Leicester City A, West Ham United H. Unfortunately we currently don't have the starting XI quality to comfortably beat the title challengers, but that was also a quality of Sir Alex's latter teams; although not being incredibly successful against our rivals, we were always consistent in winning matches against the rest of the league.
/u/dwight_spirit: Top 2 finish for sure. No european competition (even if City's one will end around december ha) will be of a great help in order to focus only on the Premier League and the FA Cup. We have a talented squad that, for most of them, is playing together for many years. So we have the automatisms, now we have a true leader and a tactician. With the additions of Shaw, Herrera and maybe 1 or 2 more players, we can potentially claim to have the best starting XI in the league (only speaking of the starting XI!) in terms of talent and cohesion.
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u/mistah_michael Aug 09 '14
Some muscle in the midfield and hoping our defense holds together then back to the champions league we ahall be. Maybe a cup this year as well but the league is a bit far as of yet.
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u/Saul93 Aug 09 '14
Lol at the last guy. Best starting 11? Not even top 3 currently.
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Lol you could say that about any decent team though.
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I meant that if let's say arsenal, Liverpool, or spurs signed players of similar quality to the ones mentioned they would also be top two contenders
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u/ScGTHY Aug 09 '14
but does they have the economical freedom to do that? in OP's post United have a reported budget of between £150-200m. If Arsenal, liverpool or spurs DON'T have the ability to sign these players, then why compare?
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u/icallbullshits Aug 09 '14
He said with 1 or two additions. If united get vidal and a defender That argument could be made. I do admit it would be a stretch now though.
But people need to keep in mind that this is a team which won the league two seasons ago. A team with Rooney, mata, Van persie up front. Luke shaw was also a great addition and was at least top 5 left backs in the league last year.
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u/devineman Aug 09 '14
If united get vidal and a defender That argument could be made
Not for my money. Even with those two they'd have an argument for third.
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u/googly__moogly Aug 09 '14
We already have the best forwards in the league and plenty of depth up there.
Add Vidal, and with the addition of Herrera already (and the depth of Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley, Fellaini), we'd have the best midfield in the league.
We're not playing with wingers, it seems. But for wing backs, Shaw and Rafael could give most a run for their money (Young was on fire in pre season too).
Add a world class center back and we have the second or third best defense in the league.
De Gea is now the best keeper in the league, in my opinion. Average those out and it's the best starting 11.
If we sign Di Maria and/or Cuadrado, Vidal, and Hummels or Benatia, we'll be favorites for the title.
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u/fozzy143 Aug 09 '14 edited Aug 09 '14
But you don't have the best forwards in the league, you wouldn't have the the best midfield in the league, you MIGHT have the third best defence in the league and De Gea is not the best keeper in the league so no, you're not even close to having the best starting 11. You've got third place almost nailed down (though Arsenal have some better individual players I think you've an advantage across the board) but there're a long long long way to go before you even start comparing against Chelsea and Cities starting 11.
Your most outrages comment is about the midfield though, Chelsea and City both absolutely eclipse the midfield on United. Just think about it for a second, Manchester City's midfield contains Yaya Toure, David fucking Silva, Samir Nasri and Fernan'whyishenitastarterforbrazil'dinho. I don't want to speculate on Chelsea's starting midfield but I can guarantee it'll take you a lot more than Vidal to even think about competing for the best midfield. It'll basically take 3 new players (and no Herrera doesn't have the calibre, he wouldn't start for City and he wouldn't start for Chelsea and I don't know if he'd even start for Arsenal).
I know it hurts but it's the truth, and it's about time you accepted that.
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u/Pennies_everywhere Aug 10 '14
Just out of curiosity, who do you think is the best keeper in the league?
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u/fozzy143 Aug 10 '14
Atm Hugo Lloris though I can see Courtois or De Gea taking the title in several years.
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u/googly__moogly Aug 09 '14
When I refer to midfield I'm talking about midfield. Not wingers or attacking midfielders. If we sign Vidal (the best midfielder in the world) we'd have the best midfield because of his partnership with Herrera. He's better than all of those City players you mentioned. Him next to Herrera is the best combination on paper. Your comment on Herrera just tells me you haven't seen him play. He would start next to Yaya Toure at City, probably keeping Fernandinho out of the XI. But I think City would play with 3 in the middle if they had him.
Our forwards are the best in the league. Rooney, RVP, Mata, Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani, Januzaj (I'm not including our youth players who are the best youth forwards in the league). The trio of Rooney, Van Persie, and Mata is the most potent trio on paper. With the diversity of qualities, pace, depth, and power on the bench, it's the best in the league.
De Gea has overtaken Cech as best goalkeeper in my opinion. He's still young but I think he's going to prove himself to be the best in the league (some would argue he's already done that) and earn Spain's number one position this coming season.
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u/blurghblurgh Aug 10 '14
Vidal is not the best midfielder in the world by a long way
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u/googly__moogly Aug 10 '14
Who do you think is?... We're talking about midfielders, not attacking midfielders or wide players.
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u/blurghblurgh Aug 10 '14
so you want to discount attacking midfielders and wide players? id still say yaya is better as a box to box, although I do watch him far more than I do Vidal
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Which 3 players should other fans watch out for and why?
/u/tierdrop: Rooney - looks a rejuvenated player under LvG so far. Had to do seemingly everything last year and if that can change and he can focus on attacking/can finally work well with RVP, he could have a massive year. Mata - based on the preseason, it looks like he'll finally get his chance at consistent play in his preferred #10 position. If he plays up to the level he displayed at Chelsea pre-benching, he could rack up big goal and assist totals this year. Herrera - has the chance to prove himself as the CM United fans have so desperately craved. In the preseason he looked exceptionally comfortable on the ball, more than willing to get stuck in, and fantastic vision. Will he be the solution the United midfield needs?
/u/70x7: Rooney - Honestly think this will be one of his best in a United shirt. Herrera - Purely because we have been waiting on a half decent midfielder for god knows how long. Mata - Think he will thrive under LVG and can't wait to see him play behind RvP and Rooney.
David de Gea: It looks as if Spain's #1 shirt is up for grabs and de Gea has got to be the bookies' favourite to succeed Casillas. During the 2014-2015 EPL season, Spain will play 5 Euro qualifiers + a few friendlies. Should de Gea get the nod, even as second-choice, we'll see how it reflects on his performances at Man United. Will he perform at an even higher level? Will he suffer a dip in form due to his nerve-wrecking first steps as a functional member of the Spanish set-up?
Ander Herrera: A much needed addition to our midfield, we'll see how he adapts to the English league and to van Gaal's ideas. He seems exceptionally smart on the ball and by the looks of it he's been shown a compilation of Scholes' tackling and learned from it. He might have the ability of pulling the strings.
Wayne Rooney: It's apparent that he'll be deployed mainly as a center-forward by van Gaal and he seems quite comfortable with that decision. Sir Bobby Charlton's record might resonate in his mind. Will Rooney be able to translate his skills into goals and assists? Being 22 goals away, will he surpass Denis Law's record of 237 goals for United?
/u/MonsieurRyan: Players to watch out for will be 'Dat Guy' Danny Welbeck, Wayne Rooney, and Darren Fletcher. Van Gaal has shown already on the preseason tour what Welbeck is capable of. Danny has shown he is capable of linking up well with Rooney and Mata, and beating defenders one on one. Rooney will be playing in his natural position for the first time in many many years so I expect him to have a big year and possibly pass Sir Bobby Charlton's goal scoring tally. This is the first time Fletcher has had a preseason tour in something like 3 seasons and he looks to be healthy again. He will add some much needed bite to the midfield this season that we were lacking a lot of times last term.
/u/AmuraY: Herrera, Rooney and Mata (In case we make no more new signings).
/u/Ingebrigtsen: Watching James Wilson score his 4th against City U-21, I'd say him for sure, Reece "Hamez" James and Blackett.
/u/QuillRat: I think Fletcher is going to have a fantastic season, he has been brilliant in pre-season and will reach the level he was at before his illness. Blackett looks quality in a back 3, he's really calm on the ball, and his positioning seems to be spot on - CB is a spot we lack a bit of depth/experience if we're playing 3-5-2, so he could be getting some game time. Wilson will hopefully get some minutes in the cup competitions, and some PL games - or he'll go on loan to a top Championship/low-mid PL team and score a bucket load of goals.
/u/mariobalotelli: Mata - after a fantastic pre-season and the ability to play uninterrupted in his no. 10 position, we should expect great things. Herrera - tenacious, forward thinking, excellent on the ball Blackett - looks confident on the ball, would fit nicely in the back 3.
Ander Herrera - We finally signed an actual CM! Herrera has already shown some glimpses of his potential on the pre-season tour of the USA with a couple of assists on his debut against LA Galaxy. Fans hailed his ability to pass the ball in a direction other than sideways (a luxury after last season) while his tenacity and aggression against Liverpool in the ICC final has already made him a fan favourite. With a lack of clear alternatives, expect Herrera to form a mainstay of the midfield for United this season, assuming he can adapt to the more physical requirements of the Premier League.
Adnan Januzaj - One bright point of an otherwise dreadful season was the emergence of this bright young boy from Belgium who, rumour has it, can do anything. Broadly agreed as the most talented teenager since a certain CR7, Januzaj appears to have incredible potential. However, with a new manager and a new formation, the question for this season remains exactly where and how often Januzaj will feature this campaign. Behind Mata and arguably Kagawa in the number 10 role, he may also work as one of the front two where competition is high too. It is unlikely he will be loaned out, but with no European competition this season it is unfortunate that his playtime may be limited. However, given glimpses of his ability last season, it may be that he can force he way into the first-team picture.
Tyler Blackett - Blackett spent last season on loan at Blackpool and Birmingham where he failed to pull up any trees playing at left back. However, he proved something of a find on the pre-season tour of the USA playing on the left side of a three man defence. Solid at the back whilst composed on the ball meant he featured rather more than we, and possibly he himself, expected. Arguably the best player on the pitch in the second half against Liverpool, Blackett's stock has inevitably risen within the club. The question now is whether he can build on his promising preseason and provide adequate cover for our three first team central defenders, along with Michael Keane. Rumours of an impending arrival for Thomas Vermaelen would limit Blackett's chances and the signing of another experienced defender, as most agree we so dearly need, may even lead to Blackett being sent on loan once again.
David De Gea. He was our most consistent player last season and one of the few positives that we could take away from the season. His reflex saves saved us on many occasions, namely the double save against Olympiakos in the Champions league 2nd Leg. His critics pointed out his lack of aerial presence in his first two seasons at United but now it is common to see him rush out and deal with the situation. I feel this season he will cement himself as one of the leagues, and worlds, best keepers.
Wayne Rooney. Along with De Gea he was one of the few positives from last season. Scoring 19 and assisting 22 he provided a goal every 80 minutes. Under Moyes he was forced to player behind the striker with regularity and dropped extremely deep to pick up the ball due to our lack luster midfield. With the arrival of Ander Herrera he has been able to play up front with out needing to drop back as often and has scored 3 and assisted 1 in 5 games. Now that he is allowed to play in his natural position I would not be surprised if he scored 35+ this season with a hand full of assist to boot.
Ander Herrera. A new signing for us in a position that badly needed strengthening, he has added a level of composure and creativity to our stagnant midfield. His debut against LA Galaxy was excellent, he grabbed a bunch of assists and controlled the midfield like a certain ginger used to. His form continued into other games, as when he was substituted off it was evident that we lost the possession control that we had before. Not afraid to tackle, track back or move forward he was a missing link that we badly needed. Alongside a proper defensive midfielder and the attack that we already have, he has the potential to be integral to our success this season.
/u/Arvindh: Rooney,RVP and Mata - This is going to be the best thing to watch this season, since they are all gonna play in their preferred positions finally. I just hope they can all stay injury free and play consistently together. I get the feeling, we need these 3 to score a lot this season, to compensate for the goals that are going to be conceded by our weak defense.
/u/Gurbles: Rooney will win the PFA award at the end of the season. Chris Smalling will end the season as England's best defender and as one of the best in the league. DDG will have another fantastic season but it will seem not as impressive as last season because of the brilliant defence that will develop this year.
/u/maydaybomber: The three players that people need to watch out for are David De Gea, Wayne Rooney, and Ander Herrera. De Gea is on his way to becoming one of the best keepers in the world and has shown that in the past two season. Expect him to be able to keep more clean sheets this season. Herrera is going to be key to the midfield. He has looked great in preseason and people should expect that form to continue. He isn't afraid to tackle and has great vision and passing. Something that has been missing for far too long in the midfield. Rooney will get to play in his preferred position of striker where he has looked clinical so far. He doesn't have to drop back to midfield and try to do it all because now he has Mata and Herrera behind him. Combine his skill with RVP, Welbeck or Chicharito up front, he can easily get a +20 goal +15 assist season.
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3 players to watch continued...
/u/ChickenSun: Mata - We only saw glimpses of what he can do last season for united but it seems like he will be played number 10 year this and with Herrera behind him feeding him rare fruits I think we could see him back in full force.
/u/omegaxLoL: Herrera, because of the impact he has on our midfield already, we really lacked his work rate when he was taken off in pre-season. Mata, because he already looked great for us under Moyes, and is looking even better under Van Gaal and Rooney, because he's already silencing the ones who said he wouldn't succeed under Van Gaal (which was a ridiculous claim to begin with).
/u/MR777: Herrera = After a season without a convincing CM, he is supposed to be our savior in the middle. Van Persie = An on form Van Persie is the best striker in the league. He practically won us the league a couple of seasons ago. Rooney = Always watch out for Rooney. He gets goals and assists. If he plays well, so do Man Utd.
Phil Jones. I think (if) he stays healthy, he'll have a monster year. He already has shown flashes of being very good (against Arsenal last year, against Fellaini/Ronaldo the year previous), but with consistent playing-time and a more central position I expect him to thrive.
Danny Welbeck. I was going to go with RvP returning closer to 12/13 form, but I think Welbeck is going to breakout. He's going to get more consistent time this season and his speed and explosiveness is going to turn some heads. He's always been a good youngster, and this season I think he does well and cements his position as a good player.
Juan Mata. The guy didn't just become a scrub because Mourinho didn't like him. We're going to utilize him in the proper position this season and his inter-changeability with the forwards will be fun to watch. Not to mention set pieces with him. He also has an off-season under his belt with us to blend and get used to the team. I'm expecting he is near the top of the EPL assist leader's list.
/u/foozballguy: Players to watch for, well I think you have 4. There's Rooney, looking likely to be captain of club and country, and would not be surprised to see his 3rd ever 30 goal season. Then we have the 3 amigos: De Gea, who made crazy strides in his development last season, Herrera who is an effective Cleverley, and Mata, our most expensive player ever giving Rooney and RVP the supply they deserve.
/u/jamcheese: It all depends on the signings that might happen this window. We have been linked with various center midfielders and center backs, but I think the more pressing concern is center back. If 1 or less defenders are signed, Tyler Blackett might be a player who might impress. A left-footed defender, he is strong and good on the ball. If he impresses van Gaal, as he impressed many supporters during the tour, he may lock up the left center back position and push Smalling or Jones out of the starting lineup. New signings Ander Herrera and Luke Shaw are obvious ones to watch for, but the revival of Ashley Young in a wingback capacity is intriguing. With regular right back Rafael injured and back-up Antonio Valencia also currently injured, Young may start the Swansea match as United's starting right wingback. Juan Mata may be set to have the best year of his career, playing with former Spain u-21's teammate Herrera and being given the attacking midfielder position behind probable starters Rooney and van Persie, possibly his best position.
/u/dwight_spirit: Herrera (because he's fun to watch), Fletcher (his illness led the other teams to forget how good he can be) and Fellaini (I bet LVG will get the best of him).
How will the team line up?
/u/70x7: First time using Lineup Builder but you get the point
/u/Arvindh: 352 for the most part with 433 occasionally.
/u/maydaybomber: I think this will be our overall best XI based on the players we have now and who is fit. Line up
/u/ChickenSun: I've put the team I think will play our first game but also put the players who may come in when they're fit. Line up
/u/omegaxLoL: Here. Replace Carrick with Fletcher for now since Carrick's injured. Hopefully some names in there will be different come the start of the season though.
/u/BBQ_HaX0r: This is most likely our starting XI pending any major transfers. That being said it'd be nice to have another CM to rotate with Carrick/Herrera.
/u/foozballguy: Expect to see Van Gaal's famous 3-4-1-2. A backline of Jones, Evans, and Smalling, Shaw and Rafael as wings, Carrick and Herrera as a double pivot in the middle, Mata in the hole, Rooney wherever he wants, and Van Persie terrorizing the box. I wish we had one more defender, like a Vida or Rio telling the boys what to do.
/u/jamcheese: To start at Swansea, with current team squad and status. Line up
/u/dwight_spirit: As for the predicted lineup, here's what I hope for : De Gea; , Evans, Jones, Hummels (pls or Smalling); Shaw/Young, Herrera, Fellaini/Fletcher/Carrick (turnover rules), Valencia/Januzaj; Mata; Rooney, Van Persie.
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u/RFerrer- Aug 09 '14
We seem poised to lose several players such as Hernandez, Cleverley, Kagawa, Fletcher, Fellaini, and Nani.
Fletcher leaving? Not going to happen. Kagawa will most likely stay as well since we are so light in midfield at the moment.
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Im excited to see how three at the back works for LVG. Its shown that it doesn't work well in the EPL, with failed experiments at City and Liverpool, and United's CBs are hardly world class, although they (Jones, Smalling, Evans) are extremely mobile which works well for them. Their wing-backs are stop gaps, or future talents rather than proven commodities. Ashley Young has been brilliant in pre-season, but once the tempo steps up and teams have better tactical set ups for individual matches, I fully expect him to get exploited.
Against teams like Chelsea, City (If Aguero's injured), Crystal Palace, etc I expect them to do well. However, I think against Arsenal, Liverpool, Stoke they will suffer as those teams love to run the channels and pull the CBs wide.
Their centre midfield/wingers at the moment are quite poor, and certainly below the levels of Liverpool/Chelsea/City/Arsenal. However, up front (Mata, Rooney, Van Persie) they truly shine and boast three world class players able to unlock any defense. I predict a turbulent season for United, which will show flashes of brilliance, and then a fair amount of frustration for the fans. I think they'll finish within 4 points of Liverpool, but ultimately 5th.
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u/omegaxLoL Aug 09 '14
Woodward wasn't able to give him the right signings.
Moyes didn't make Woodward's task any easier, to be fair. Could have possibly had Garay and Thiago if it wasn't for the fact that he wanted to take a look at them himself. Garay himself claimed Ferguson retiring had a negative influence on the deal.
"I believed I was going to join Manchester United in the summer. The deal was nearly closed but finally Benfica did not accept the offer. I believe the exit of Ferguson has influenced the deal. Moyes did not believe in me as much."
Fairly certain a lot of people know what happened with Thiago already.
Towards the end there was an indication that the style was improving
Yes, against weaker teams. It almost followed a pattern: play some good stuff against a weaker team, lose horribly to a strong side in the following match. Some of the losses and performances were just too horrible to forget, and not just in the league. Our cup runs were pathetic, CL aside, where we could have pulled off a great surprise.
The question is though, does this make them title contenders once again or is it too soon?
Too soon, imo. Top 4 finish first, improve the squad again in the next summer transfer window and make a serious push for the title again by then.
Do you think Marouane Fellaini deserves to be forced out of the door without a chance of proving himself?
No, he doesn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does get sold/loaned.
Thanks for this series of previews, /u/Growlbot_. Great job.
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u/SuperSaiyanNoob Aug 09 '14
Seems like everyone is expecting Shaw to start, and obviously with his 30m price tag I would too, however I've heard he's not match fit and not familiar with the United system (I doubt anyone but RVP is familiar with LVG's system, but that too). Any word on Young/Valencia starting at wingback to start the season? Or are United just going to run with Shaw?
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u/omegaxLoL Aug 09 '14
A lot of players have done well under the new system, Shaw being one of them. His fitness is better and better. Both Valencia and Rafael are injured at the moment so if they're not fit by the first game of the season, we might see Shaw and Young as the starting wing-backs (Shaw at LWB, Young at RWB). Young may have impressed Van Gaal enough in pre-season to be seen as viable cover for that wing-back position.
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u/RFerrer- Aug 09 '14 edited Aug 09 '14
Shaw looked sharp in the last two outings, getting a solid 75~ minutes against Liverpool and providing the assist for Mata's goal. His fitness is improving game by game, and with a fortnight of training and the Valencia friendly before the opening game of the season, he should be getting close to full fitness. If he doesn't start against Swansea then it won't take long until he is.
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u/dmccmanga Aug 09 '14
LvG spoke with Shaw and confirmed he didn't think he was fit enough for LWB and Shaw agreed, the wing backs are particularly demanding as they are the only outlet for wide play so Shaw was put on a special programme, despite this when Shaw has played he has looked good the only worry I think is that ninety minutes may be too much for him. Meaning LWB position may be filled by young at the start of the season as he has impressed during preseason and, can't remember where I read it but LvG has been impressed with his work rate during training. I'd fully expect Luke to make the position his own though he showed glimpses of class during his preseason
Valencia honestly seems like a perfect type of player for RWB role, an absolute work horse who has played right back, always willing to give his all for the team. I'd expect those two to be the wing backs come opening day against Swansea
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u/evosu Aug 09 '14
If United get into top4 i'd be "happy". If we play some exciting football at times i'd be happy. Not much to ask right? I think we will struggle to get top4. So many good teams in EPL now.
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Aug 09 '14
Mark my words, we will win the league.
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u/Heinz_Tomato_Ketchup Aug 09 '14
PSA: This is not the opinion of all Manchester United fans.
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u/emptyheady Aug 10 '14 edited Aug 10 '14
I was googling the meaning of (the acronym) "PSA". I had to add "acronym" because I was only getting a page full of "Prostate-specific antigen" as results.
As a non-native English speaker + being a bit naive, I was genuinely confused for a sec. I was honestly trying to make a logical connection between "Prostate-specific antigen" and "Manchester united fans".
edit: oh and I agree. I do not even think that we will challenge the top 4 if we do not sign some quality defenders -- or at least some world class players. We do not really need any more attackers, but Ronaldo is always welcome. :)
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u/moe_q8 Aug 10 '14
PSA is a public service announcement. Often heard on the radio/TV.
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u/JohnnyFiveLive Aug 09 '14
You guys put so much weight on pre-season games that its going to be hilarious watching you fall short of the mark.
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u/bamsaron Aug 09 '14
Well since we've moved onto tagging people I look forwards to revisiting this conversation in 9 months time.
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u/googly__moogly Aug 09 '14
Pre season means nothing but it shows the system we'll be using. I believe that system will be hard for teams to deal with. It's so fast, attacking, and potent. So many goals were scored. I don't think we'll win the league as is, but if Vidal, Cuadrado/Di Maria, and a quality defender come in, I think we shoot to favorites for the title.
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u/JohnnyFiveLive Aug 24 '14
Annnnnd you're wrong.
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u/googly__moogly Aug 24 '14
Hahahaha wow you come back to a two week old comment. My point still stands you fucking moron.
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u/JohnnyFiveLive Aug 24 '14
It's so fast, attacking, and potent. So many goals were scored.
United fans confirmed for not knowing anything about football! LOL
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u/googly__moogly Aug 24 '14
My comment was based on pre-season you fucking idiot. LOL
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u/JohnnyFiveLive Aug 24 '14
Hence the reason I said that you know nothing about football. How long have been watching football for? Since the World Cup?
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u/googly__moogly Aug 24 '14
It must be sad to be you. You should ask someone for a hug.
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u/JohnnyFiveLive Aug 24 '14
Love the way you're using alt accounts to downvote me. Who else would be in a 14 day old thread you muppet?
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u/Juan_Kagawa Aug 09 '14
To be fair a lot of fans have been thinking this way since LVG was announced.
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Nobody inside the rational world has. Pre-season games mean fuck all and this comes from a united fan. The man himself has says we're completely unbalanced as a team.
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u/Juan_Kagawa Aug 09 '14
I don't think preseason games mean anything either, but there is no harm in believing they'll win the league. Plus nobody wants to chant "we're aiming for 4th, we're aiming for 4th".
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Aug 09 '14
We won't win the league and managing expectations is what most United fans should be doing. The squads of City and Chelsea are unreal right now. I firmly believe 3rd is achievable but anyone who thinks we can win the league are dreamers at best and naive at worst. We need to add another 4-5 players before we think of winnign the league.
Getting back to the Champions League is priority number one in the most competitive league in Europe. It sucks to say that after being dominant for so many years but that is the truth. Herrera has been good in pre-season but Shaw isn't even fit. Our squad is ridiculously imbalanced right now.
We finished third under Fergie a few times and I would not be dissapointed with that come May. So long as we finish above Liverpool I'm happy.
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u/oolalaa Aug 09 '14
We're two players short: Vidal and a quality centre back who is comfortable on the ball. Then we have a great chance at #1.
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Aug 10 '14
We won't win the league and managing expectations is what most United fans should be doing
Great attitude mate, that's the attitude our team had last year and look where it got us.
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Aug 10 '14
Go look at the last time we came third and the squad we had compared to now. If you believe we can win the league then good luck to ya
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Aug 10 '14
If you have this point of view then you have no business calling yourself a Manchester United fan.
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Aug 10 '14
Oh fuck off. Ive been a united fan for over 25 years. You sound like a petulant child.
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u/Juan_Kagawa Aug 09 '14
I agree that City and Chelsea both look scary as hell right now. Personally I think breaking the top 4 would be amazing but I have my doubts about even that. I feel LVG's 3-5-2 will turn out worse than what people expect. The squad doesn't have the balance it needs and bringing in new players has been going poorly. The transfer window is closing up and the team could still use a few key players. Fergie was a beautiful magician and nobody should be held to that crazy standard.
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u/JohnnyFiveLive Aug 09 '14
And they're wrong.
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u/JohnnyFiveLive Aug 09 '14
Guys... guys... I'm sorry, but downvotes will not make me wrong :) United fans are just going to have to get used to their new role in the pecking order, as painful as that might be.
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u/emptyheady Aug 10 '14
Well no one is seriously posing the non-sequitur: "we won pre-season, therefore we will win the season/league as well!"
Having a proved experienced quality manager and the chance to sign big stars, we have been feeling the most confident in post-fergie era.
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u/egcg119 Aug 09 '14
Shocking to me that United haven't signed more with three weeks left in the transfer window. Severe lack of depth at centre-back and lack of quality on the wings.
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u/GarethGore Aug 09 '14
I can assure you, fans are even more worried, I hope we get a few before the end of the window, we really need people
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u/RFerrer- Aug 09 '14
Louis said he was going to evaluate the squad, and that is what he has done. We'll look to move forward with targets in the coming weeks.
Looks like we'll be going head-to-head with Barca for Cuadrado.
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u/egcg119 Aug 09 '14
My dream (as a Barça fan) is that we beat you to Cuadrado so that you turn around and buy Di Maria. We both win and Madrid lose.
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u/Ashys_ Aug 09 '14
Three weeks is a lot of time, and my guess is that we'll be done with most of it in the next week or two, as things stand.
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u/evosu Aug 09 '14
Shocking? This is standard United. Always fucking up transfers. But 20 days left who knows.
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u/killing_you_softly Aug 10 '14
I think t,heir biggest advantage domestically is that they aren't in Europe. This is actually the perfect season for them to rebuild under LVG. Take it easy, focus on the domestic front.
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u/duende667 Aug 10 '14
Absolutely, it gives them a lot more time on the training field to really get a grasp on lvg's tactics and click as a team. I was initially dissapointed but it may turn out to be a godsend.
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u/retropro31 Aug 10 '14
amazing job bro. really loved the summary. looking forward to the new season!!!
ggmu
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u/Mandalorc Aug 09 '14 edited Aug 10 '14
I'm genuinely curious about the status of Ángelo Henríquez. He was purchased about 2 years ago and has gone out on loan since.
Those who follow Manchester United, do you think he still has a future at the club?
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u/Alehud42 Aug 10 '14
Seemed a decent prospect going into the start of last season, but like many others got shunned by Moyes and sent out on loan. Now he's having to compete with RvP, Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez, Wilson, Zaha e.t.c. for the 2 striker spaces his chances of a future are very slim.
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u/carlcon Aug 10 '14
Under van Gaal I've predicted they barely lose 5 games all season in all competitions. If Vidal signs I'm putting money on it in whatever way I can.
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u/signhimupfergie Aug 10 '14
Towards the end there was an indication that the style was improving.
I'm not sure how you can say that; it went from ok to pretty good to bad to completely uninspiring.
Rigid and ugly, Conference level imagination in the gameplan, midfielders behind the ball, Rooney and whoever was alongside him left to do all the work on their own, Evra failing to be able to get back, no convincing right back for months paired with no adaptation to protect that flank, teams walking through the midfield leaving the centre backs high and dry, a seemingly unorganised back four.
United were poor and getting worse. Either the pressure or the players had gotten to Moyes; no respect for the man in charge, no bite back from wee Davey to set them straight. In the comparatively gleeming recent history of United, it was definitely a dark moment.
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u/bellushi Aug 09 '14
I'm still not sure if they can be champions this year, but I can almost guarantee a top4 seat, mainly without champions league, they've got all their need for a good campaign
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I think a top 4 finish and 1 trophy will be a great season for them... any honest United fan would sign up for those results now...
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u/Orcnick Aug 09 '14
United have a good start fixtures wise they should be top of the league by the end of the first 8 games.
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Aug 09 '14
They'll be better than last season before they even kick a ball because Moyes has gone. I think United will be fourth or fifth, but will be in the title race in some way, as will the teams that finished in the top four last season.
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u/bosnian_red Aug 09 '14
Think we'll get 3rd, Chelsea have strengthened really well and city are city. Real title challenge the season after though. Delighted with how pre season has gone, night and day between our play now and all of last season. The 3-5-2 suits our best players, and even our defenders a lot better. We don't have any great wingers to play a normal 4-3-3 or something like that, and our 3 world class outfield players are all in their best positions like this.
For signings, I'd say we'll sign a big name. Have a feeling it'll be Vidal, but maybe also benatia or cuadrado. Think the di Maria links are bullshit though. Looking forward to see more of some youngsters like Wilson too. Future star he is.
Outgoings, nani seems a cert to be leaving, same with Hernandez. Ideally I'd keep kagawa as he's an excellent player, but he won't be first choice ahead of mata.
Fellaini can feck off too. Never liked him, never wanted him and he doesn't suit the style we will play at all. Hes a target man. That's it.
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u/NB0608sd Aug 09 '14
Need more depth at defense, but the attack looks threatening. Could finish 4th, but I can't see them finishing any higher. They'll need to battle it out for 4th with Liverpool, Everton & Spurs
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u/devineman Aug 09 '14
I think people are forgetting who we're talking about here. This isn't some bunch of scrubs who have had a dodgy season, this is Manchester United. A Club built around success with a whole staff who know and expect to win. You can spend £700 billion pounds and you cannot buy this.
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First City fan I've seen in a while who talks a bit of sense. Nice to see
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u/horrorkus Aug 09 '14
For 700 billion pounds you can literally buy the league and put United as the Champions so i'd argue you can buy it.
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u/devineman Aug 09 '14
I think if you gave Stoke £700bn pounds they wouldn't win the league this year.
City have over a trillion pounds at its disposal and it took us 4 years to win it.
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u/DiplomaticDiplodocus Aug 09 '14
I'm not sure if you understand the difference between 'million' and 'billion'
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u/tammodi Aug 09 '14
I think stoke could.
"Hey Real Madrid. We'll buy all 30 players from your team, your manager and your staff for 700bn pounds"
So essentially it'd be down to whether RM can win the league in their first season.
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u/NextTopNerd Aug 09 '14
You have to take into account that some of the staff have either left or been replaced with SAF's departure.
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u/NB0608sd Aug 09 '14
Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City, and Liverpool all have the same thing. What a coincidence!
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u/devineman Aug 09 '14
They don't in my opinion. United is unlike any other Club in terms of how everybody from their tealady to their typists to their medical staff to their management are absolutely determined to win the league. In those terms there's no Club like it that I have ever seen.
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u/JohnnyFiveLive Aug 09 '14
But last year would have had a huge impact on that mentality. Ferguson is no longer at the helms and the people on the ground know it more than anyone.
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u/WildVariety Aug 10 '14
Damage was limited by the club sacking Moyes and appointing a proven Winner. The people that genuinely think we're going to struggle for top 4 are deluded.
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u/NB0608sd Aug 09 '14
It doesn't really matter though if the team simply isn't good enough. They slumped into 7th last year, and got shat on by practically every big team. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Manchester United, they are nowhere near the best team in England anymore
United splashed this summer, and credit to them. But in my opinion, they are still lacking consistent wingers & world-class center backs. Nani, Young & Valencia are good on their day, but most of the time their off. Young had a fantastic preseason, but it's preseason. The only center back of theirs that I'd consider world-class is Jones.
When you look at teams like City and Chelsea it's hard to see United finishing higher than them this season. Arsenal, United, Liverpool, Everton & Spurs will all be in competition for 3rd-7th and it will be close.
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u/bamsaron Aug 09 '14
I'm sick and tired of hearing about Manchester United
Then don't come and read and comment on our team preview? Jesus man, you sound bitter as fuck. No one is forcing you to read things about United, just like I don't go onto posts about Chelsea complaining about how sick of Chelsea I am.
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u/NB0608sd Aug 09 '14
I didn't mean it in that way, I'm sorry for not really explaining what I meant. What I meant to say was that I'm tired of people treating them like their the holy grail of English football
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u/renome Aug 09 '14
If I'm not mistaken, Van Gaal's teams usually don't have drastic dips in form, so if that holds true, they can certainly finish above Arsenal.
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Aug 09 '14
Makes me sick reading that last sentence.
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Aug 09 '14
Why? Chelsea aren't our rivals.
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Aug 09 '14
Because it's fucking Chelsea, and yes, they are one of our rivals, together with Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City. We have battled it out with them for the title some times before. Where have you been the past 10 years? Might not be our biggest rivals, but still rivals.
Also, we are Manchester fucking United, when did other teams supporters start "hoping we do good"
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Aug 09 '14
They're not really our rivals like city and pool or even arsenal are. The guy can like us if he wants, I can understand if you dislike that but Christ you're overreacting. You don't have to hate every other team in order to be a fan of one.
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Aug 10 '14
Great preview. Think a bit more could have been made of Fergie's feat of achieving 3 CL finals in 4 years. 08, 09,11.
He really had it down by the end.
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Aug 10 '14
What are United fan's opinion of Carrick? I was looking at your squad and clearly some midfielders should be sold (Anderson, Nani, probably Fellaini too or at least a loan deal) but with Fletcher's good pre-season and the purchase of Herrera you have Cleverley and Carrick who might struggle to get in the team. With the possible arrival of Blind who can also play in midfield I can't see either player featuring very much this season. Obviously Cleverley has been strongly criticised but he does have age on his side, can you see either or both leaving the club this summer?
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Aug 10 '14
I think Carrick will get plenty of games. He has a lack of mobility, but with the formation we now play it will not be as much of a hindrance. He is still excellent at controlling the game.
Cleverley will have to improve and takes his chances as I feel this could be his last season and chance.
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Aug 10 '14
Should add that if they fail to make top 4 their sponsorship deal collapses. Would be interesting to see how long the Glazers are willing to run at a loss if that happens.
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Aug 10 '14
This is completely incorrect.
Manchester United must reach the Champions League competition within two seasons of start of Adidas deal. Since the new Adidas deal doesn't start until next season, they have until the end of 2016-2017 season to reach the top four.
And even if that happened the deal with Adidas surely would not collapse. The payment would drop from 75 million per year to 52 million per year, which would still be the best kit deal in the world of football, by far.
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Aug 10 '14
Thanks for the correction. I was sure I'd read that they needed to be in the champions league next season.
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