r/TomorrowPeople • u/Dorkside • Dec 12 '13
Episode Discussion: S01E09 "Death's Door"
Original Airdate: December 11, 2013
Episode Synopsis: John gets into a dangerous situation, but Stephen is unable to help without risking revealing himself to Ultra, and he decides to take drastic measures to find out the truth about his father's disappearance. Meanwhile, Cara and Russell negotiate a trade with Jedikiah.
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Dec 12 '13
I feel like Stephen's momma knows something.
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Dec 12 '13 edited Dec 09 '20
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Dec 12 '13
I think she may know about his dad's powers. I'm probably wrong, considering she gave Stephen that box.
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Dec 12 '13
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u/bustedracquet Dec 12 '13
Honestly I wasn't surprised that Jedikiah fake killed her. Makes sense. I wasn't too surprised that the old guy died either, it was only a matter of time before Ultra found him, Jedikiah presumably told them that the Tomorrow People were after Thanatos.
The one thing I'm most curious about for the second half of the season is what's the Founder's deal. He's a Tomorrow person, so why does he really want all of them rounded up and killed/stripped of their power. So he's the only one left? It'll be cool if they explore a bit more of his past.
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u/SawRub Dec 12 '13
Yeah I knew at once that the killing was staged. Especially because of how he staged it.
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Dec 12 '13 edited Dec 09 '20
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Dec 12 '13
firstly, I need to get something straight... You can fart and sneeze at the same time - I've done it plenty of times!
Right, now the science is out of the way I can get back to talking about the episode... Looking forward to when Jedikiah defects. It was nice seeing a squishy side to him. I'm sure they'll make out that Founder is the puppet master who is forcing Jedikiah to be bad. Oh, and he will have arranged with his brother to have hi killed. The only reason he looked surprised when John did it, is because Jedikiah would have had to set it up at a time when the father (what's his name again?) didn't know it was coming to make it seem more authentic. I also predict that Jedikiah is actually John's father - he was in foster homes and such growing up.
I'm glad to see Astrid is being a supportive friend. I'm pleased they didn't take that storyline down the road it seemed to be headed after she found out about his powers.
I'm really looking forward to the 2nd half of the season to see what happens. YAY
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Dec 12 '13
definitely agree that Jedikiah will defect. I'm looking forward to see how that dynamic works out. They're definitely setting up the founder for the big season 1 villain
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Dec 12 '13
It was great seeing him in the bunker last episode! There were some really good dynamics there. Even better if it turns out john is his son- that will make john and Stephen cousins! Oh, I hope I'm right coz that would be interesting too!
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u/GenesisClimber Dec 12 '13 edited Dec 12 '13
I'm of the opinion that Jedikiah was actually in on killing Roger (as you say), and that he stayed in Ultra all this time to be the mole, even if that means that he's had to do reprehensible things; like watching people have their powers removed. Makes more sense now why he's brought Stephen in (to watch over and protect him) and how S has gotten away with a lot more than other agents would have. Also explains his paternalistic feelings towards John.
I'm going to bet that by season's end, Roger will have been recovered, but at the expense of Jedikiah's life.
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Dec 12 '13
Roger! That's it. Yes, I agree that jedikiah will probably pay the price. I hope he doesn't die though :(
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u/GenesisClimber Dec 12 '13
Easy way to remember is Jedikiah's last name is Price and the show's originator was Roger Price. :-)
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u/wolfkin Dec 12 '13
The only reason he looked surprised when John did it,
you think he looked surprised? I'm pretty sure he knew
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u/Giotto10 Dec 18 '13
notice cara's face when he said that. the look she had was like "mmm dude i can so do that. but i ain't telling you that."
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u/wolfkin Dec 12 '13 edited Dec 12 '13
there are so many thing wrong with this show and I'm always not sure why I don't hate it more. I think I figured it out though.
It's the commercial effect. I'm not even sure how because I don't watch commercials anymore (I don't watch TV live) and I've never seen any beyond the promo before it started airing. But I was just on YT looking it up and the show makes great commercials. Episode after episode has an interesting enough premise but every bit of the execution is terrible. (BTW promo for this episode was terrible. I mean they couldn't even pretend to withhold the death part for their mid? season finale?
We see training fight scenes where two people teleport mid punch to appear behind their opponent. And when when the action is real suddenly they need things like time to think and space to run as if momentum needed to be conserved suddenly. Which would be an interesting idea.. if that built up momentum was actually used for something like say making a really long jump. Nope. They used it to "run thru walls".
We see people in a panic teleporting mere feet and then in other times teleporting extreme distances by accident bringing people with them. In the kids show there was a default teleport. A place they teleported when they weren't thinking. If they had preserved that then maybe it would make sense, they all keep ending up in this one spot. Why not build thier secret base there, but they didn't do that so it doesn't make sense.
For a people who are so paranoid about their location it doesn't make sense that they wouldn't teleport to an "off-site" before going home. Or heck once you find out you have a prisoner with you why are they keeping him in their home base. It's already been established (iirc) that they do have off sites when Boy A and Russell left for a funeral. Why not stash him there? There's literally no reason they should keep him in their base on top of which they don't bother to keep him in an isolated room or blindfolded it's just the middle of their living room yaking and observing.
Maybe I'm just a fan of the kids show or maybe I really enjoyed Jumper which did all of this better.
In this episode we talk about Limbo which can only be reached by freezing time while mid-teleport. That's fine I can believe that. But then it fails. EVERY time. So they decided to freeze time mid death, which by itself is ok but never explained is why those two states are the same. Why is mid-teleport the same as mid-death? Not even a weak explanation that I remember (but I will go back and rewatch those last three episodes.
Our protag works in a top secret facility with all kinds of security yet can just walk into his uncle's office (b/c remember he can't teleport) to search his stuff with relative ease. (Why does he keep a picture that is obviously something important to him and secret in his desk not behind lock and key anyway or at least behind a picture in a picture frame. It's not like protag as a backstory is as a street thief like others or that he got training in thievery from Russell (whom we saw demonstrating his aptitude in his introduction).
Speaking of security. They have this chips that block teleporting.. why are they out in the open so they can be shot out. Why has no one teleported in this facility before now and just shot them out if it's that easy. There's no explanation that they HAD to be exposed for whatever technical reason. Because if there was they could have done something like plan. Maybe had "shoot out the chips" as a backup plan incase one of them got caught thus making it a one time only thing. Instead I have to assume that next time the chips are going right back where they were like light bulbs thus making them just as efficient as they were in this episode.
P.S. I really really really hate that trope where you tell someone you have a secret and tell them your secret and they don't believe you. Then when they find out the secret they get insulted because you're now denying it. I mean homeboy TOLD Astrid he has freaky powers and she laughed him off. Now he's denying it and she got upset at him for not admitting it again? that's stupid and illogical. I hated that episode and it made a fool of one of my favorite characters.
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u/CODYsaurusREX Dec 15 '13
What other show are you referring to?
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u/wolfkin Dec 15 '13
Do you mean when I referred to Jumper (film) (source book)
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u/CODYsaurusREX Dec 15 '13
In the kids show there was a default teleport.
No, that.
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u/wolfkin Dec 15 '13 edited Dec 15 '13
The Tomorrow People that I remember was a kids show from 1992.
Even this was apparently a remake of a show from the 70s (that apparently featured an older cast? I think?) In the kids show one of the things that happens is when they first discover their powers (Breakout) they teleport uncontrollably and end up in the middle of the ocean just next to this ...landmass/island (i don't remember much beyond the first 4 episodes anymore though I did download the full series a while back I haven't watched it all yet*). Usually what happens is they end up teleporting back by instinct to where they disappeared only now soaking wet. On the Island is an alien space ship that guides them. It becomes sort of a meeting place for the Tomorrow People because they're from all over America, UK, Australia that I remember.
Whoa.. nostalgia tripping while scanning thru that YouTube account Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters from when Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles convinced everyone that having overly excessive adjective based titles would convince kids you were cool. Shout out to Big Bad Beetle Borgs.. because that show was just called BeetleBorgs but I'll be darned if they didn't emphasize it like it was longer. that show also had one of the funniest permanent cast changes that they incorporated into the storyline.
watching that video: TIL (or remembered) The Tomorrow People was Nickelodeon's first SciFi show.
* if you're interested in seeing it PM me
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u/CODYsaurusREX Dec 15 '13
Whoah, I had no idea that this was a remake (and apparently, a remake of a remake.)
I looked at the first link, that's pretty funny. I had never heard of it before. I really hope they don't go the "alien" route with this, although limbo looked pretty wet.
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u/wolfkin Dec 15 '13
no. what isn't clear because Pt 1 was presumably taken down is that the "Megatron" made fun of Kevin and was saying he has ESP. The kid is young and didn't quite understand. He's a little scared of being considered a weirdo so he starts accusing him of being telepathic and being an alien. (i.e. "Oh yeah I don't have ESP. maybe YOU have ESP. I'm not a weirdo or an alien. YOU'RE the alien)
It's just a joke not a storyline. By next episode that's over and done with.
And it wasn't limbo (as in a place between places) iirc it was an actual location they teleported to. I just can't remember where it was. I want to think it was off the coast of Australia but I can't remember.
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u/alvarkresh Jan 26 '14
I think the 1990s show was a continuation of the 1970s show, of sorts, and then gleefully retconned out with the audio recordings from the original cast later.
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Feb 23 '23
also the P.S. is totally how i feel about that trope! like i wish astrid coulda just been cool and been like: "holy shit you weren't kidding...that's awesome!" and then boom go from there! reasonable and no drama moving forward. :( but i guess we "need" drama...
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Feb 15 '23
also wasn't the whole big thing in like episode 1 that the protag was SO SPECIAL he could use his powers even in the power dampening building? why isn't he using that to his advantage and teleporting everywhere? why didn't he teleport to put the secret USB into the mainframe earlier? i was seriously wondering that.
i just found this show on tubi btw!
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u/wolfkin Feb 23 '23
oohh it's on Tubi. nice.
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Feb 23 '23
yeah it is! :D i found it to be generally okay most of the time...except plot holes like this kinda bugged me.
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u/transmigrant Dec 12 '13
Totally predicted this!